Suzuki DL 650 vs DL 1000 race & acceleration
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2013
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Suzuki V-Strom DL 1000 and Suzuki V-Strom DL 650 performance comparison.
Note that both of the V-Stroms present significant speedometer error so the actual speeds would in fact be lower than shown and the acceleration times would be a bit longer.
Still, it gives an adequate view on the real-life performance of the two, which has been a hot topic in the V-Strom owners society since Suzuki had launched the 650.
DL 1000 is equipped with K&N air filter and Two Brothers exhaust so it produces around 102 HP while the 650 - being stock - 67 HP.
Also, the head-to-head race and the accelerations have been performed in different places so the times are correct - the terrain was completely flat there. - Авто та транспорт
I was like, "how do we know which ones which?"... 2 seconds later, I SEE which one's which.
Yeah, it clarifies rather quickly.
the 1000 has 2 mufflers
I've owned both......overall the 650 is a much nicer bike to live with
Until you want to race the 1000 :)
I would take my 1000 over the 650 all day every day, having ridden both. Unless I was hitting trails, in which case, yeah, 650 for sure.
What did you not like as much about the 1000? Mine feels light and nimble, is very smooth and comfortable and completely composed at 85mph (we have high speed limits) even with big bags and a windshield.
I had both a 2007 Strom 650 and a 2004 Strom 1000. We moved and space for vehicles was a challenge, forcing me to choose one so, sadly, I parted with my beloved 650 and kept the 1000. It's a beast, for sure, but the power difference was just too great to give up. BTW, every time I think I should upgrade my 14 year old beast, I try out new bikes and they just don't give me the same joy. Crazy, I know, and I've tried the Africa Twin, Super Duke, R 1200 GS, and the Tenere. No thanks - give me my old-school Strom every time! In fact, I think I'm going to give her a PCV and slip ons as a present for being such a nice gal all these years. ;-)
I rode a bmw 1200 gs last year. It handled better then my strom but the power felt the same
@@talkstory-andukulele-trave426 how aboyt the T7 ?
Thanks, Alan.
Thanks for the vedeo
Tested both in 2006 and chose the 650. Difference in power was not that big. Clutch force on 1000 gave me tendonitis. Sold the 650 after 10 years cause I wanted to try something new. Looked for alternatives like bmw 1200gs... Nothing convinced me. Going back now to the 650 Strom, with abs. ;)
Same with me, it's just a good all arond bike
@@user-xb5zu6zu7j same here.. had a DL1k, a couple Bandit's: 1200s/1250s, now a Wee..perfect balance of power and grace.. plus I'll likely keep my drivers license intact... ;)
Very informative video for comparing the two. I am really hoping to purchase my first 650 V-strom next year. The thought alone excites me greatly! Also, thank you so much for not polluting your awesome video with some loud, rude, and obnoxious rap (or other garbage) soundtrack!
You're welcome. When choosing a V-Strom, better take the one with ABS and ride safely. Good exhaust pipe, windshield and you've got your companion for every adventure.
I've put 33,000 miles on mine in a little over a year and a half, and I love it. 2007 650.
Nice comparison. Thank you.
You are very welcome. Cheers!
great, thanks!
Great video. I now own both . Fantastic motorcycles.
The DL 650 stands no chance up against the DL1000... 35 % more Torqe 30 % more horsepower.... It is way faster, if someone thinks differently they have not ridden dhe DL 1000....
But, the DL650 is one fast 650 that's for shure !
Yep agreed on both counts - The 650DL only claimed 64hp, but I reckon it is faster than the early GS700, which boasted 75hp and more torque than the Suzuki. The GS punched well up to about 135kph and then just gave up.
Dl 1000 has 50% more torque and 50% more horsepower tan dl 650. 67hp (50%=33hp more)
a friend of mine had a two brothers exhaust on his 06 Strom and i miss the sound of that bike. My next two wheeled investment will be a Strom with that exhaust. LOVE IT!
depends on how easy to acquire them after i get out.
That is true - it sounds awesome. Really, really deep sound. Not that extremely loud though and another advantage is that is sounds unllike any other exhaust out there. Very characteristic.
i couldnt remember haha
***** Wasn't it just a slip-on? I thought they didn't have full systems for V-Stroms
No fair, looks like the Wee rider had his left turn signal on the whole time! :)
Undeniable advantage for the Vee ;)
friend was just a comment, perhaps because my bike is in Brazil and has some technical differences. thank you
nice one
good vid. Now you need to do a head to head on twisties. I suspect the wee will have a slight advantage there.
No, the Vee is magnificent in corners too. No difference to the Wee
+Jay Powell The are similar. Wee gains on city and off road.
Something is wrong with the 650. My 650 was going up to 200 km/h on worn engine and then up to 210 km/h on a new healthy engine. But the acceleration here is the same as mine was.
great video! This excellent editing may give high merit to which bike I buy. For a reliable long distance bike, do you prefer the 1000? I plan to cross some gaps with this moto.
Yes, I would choose the 1000. It just has more power, sounds better, has better seat (higher and softer - which I prefer). In the city, if you're not a fan of racing with Porsches and Ferraris, DL 650 will be ok. They often have ABS which may be an important factor. In terms of reliability, I believe they're equal. There are two well-known problems that often occur in DL 1000 (noisy clutch gasket - many people have it modified with solves the problem; and leaking part of the clutch where you have to replace the seal or the whole part. Unfortunately I don't know the english name of the part) and probably a few minor issues with DL 650 that can happen. Nothing serious in both cases so both are a safe choice.
I am so thankful for your reply. I appreciate it! My applause! yeah the strom1000 will be my first bike.
MfalmeVTold yup changed mine (79.000km)when started leaking (not really leaking, just wet outside)didn't go for just a $7 gasket but changed the whole "clutch slave cylinder".
The fluid needs change often to maintain a long lifespan of the slave cylinder. (Mechanic said so)
Nothing more here, this bike will never let you down.
@@VToldsMotoShow Also the magnets on the rotor tend to come loose and cause havoc. Can be fixed with jb-weld.
The horn honker was at a disadvantage, they could not rev it's motor as easy, or it would have been a little faster.
bit disapointed for the 650, have same engine as Suzuki sv 650s and it can't go up to 180km/h easy. My sv 650s gone 226km/h i remember it was funnier. But yes the dl strom is more comfortable, i did 5300 km trip with my svs 650, great bike and nice looking, but for sure the comfort is a mess if you plan trip in small roads
Both are faster than my Guardian angel, I'm looking for something comfortable on the highway over my 1100 Virago. That's not made for driving long pieces on 130-140kph without a 6th gear. The 650 has power enough for me, but what is it like to drive at those speeds enginewise?
It definitely is easier for the DL 1000 to keep that speed and accelerate at those speeds. I haven't spent that much time with the 650 but the differences are noticeable of course. The 1000 has 50% more power that makes a difference. The question is whether you care about that difference or not. The 650 is a bit lighter and the engine is much smoother at lower speeds. That actually feels nicer in the 650 if you're just cruising. If you like more adrenaline, then there's no question and 1000 is the choice.
ES LOGICO , SON 350 cc mas , pero a pesar de la cilindrada, es poca la diferencia.
I imagine DL 1000 is somewhat better with passenger and full load or it doesn't matter much?
Of course it is much more powerful and that 50% more power contributes to way better performance solo and with a pillion rider. I haven't ridden the 650 with a passenger though.
is this bike ok for many hours long mileages a on motorways at high speeds ? Or this is more a bike for cruising at speeds up to 120-140 km/h?
The 650 is definitely not for high speeds that you refer to. The 1000 can handle 160 easily and that's a comfortable speed for it. I wouldn't go much faster. It's a tall bike with a large face, you sit high and in an upright position - this is not meant for 200 km/h speeds. It won't go much faster anyway.
Cruise all day at 130 km/h, and the gps topspeed is around 180 km/h on the 650. -And cruise all day at 160 km/h and the gps topspeed is around 210 km/h on the 1000. (I own both models)
Klakson zrobiony? hehe :) filmik spoko.Na początku myślałem że sie utrzyma ale jednak troche odstawił ;) chodz nie dużo
Klakson należy od razu wywalić i zamontować pneumatycznego Nautilusa - taki jest w czerwonym 1000 :). 650 nie ma szans z 1000 - połowę więcej mocy i momentu... no nie ma siły, żeby szły równo ;)
ale jak na 650 jest niezle :) ja mam thundercata 600-tke i chetnie bym sie poscigal :)
adam radziszewski Thundercat to przy DL 650 będzie rakieta, ale z 1000 mógłbyś sprawdzić. Moc podobna i sam jestem ciekaw jak by to wyglądało ;)
Nice. So which one is better off road?
They are very similar bikes but I'd say that the 650 could do better because it more gentle in terms of throttle response and therefore is easier to control
650 all day every day (for dirt)
Zadowolony jesteś z motocykla? Bardzo mi się podoba to suzuki i chciałbym wiedzieć co posiadacze o nim sądzą. Pozdrawiam :)
Po prostu kup i ciesz się. Ot i tyle
Ja jestem bardzo zadowolony, ale mam DL 1000. 650 jest z kolei dla spokojniejszych ludzi :). Ale może mieć ABS, podczas gdy w 1000 nie było takiej opcji.
@@VToldsMotoShow gabarytowo są tej samej wielkości ??
650 is better for local riding, and plan to off-road often. 1000 is better for highway excursions and long distance, and "occasional" off-roading.......1000 is a BEAR off-road though, only for experienced riders...Very tall bike, but Very comfortable.
This is true, this big DL is still extremely comfortable in the class. Really really good in terms of riding comfort.
I've owned both: a '06 1000 and a 2012 650A. IMHO, the DL650A is superior in most respects: ABS, better economy, smoother, quieter engine, better overdrive gear, nicer styling, less expensive, and a bit lighter. The only advantage to the 1000: POWER! Specifically, 30+ HP advantage over the 650. That translates to more excitement when you twist the throttle. Something's gotta give.....
This is exactly what it looks like. Exactly.
small turbo should fix that problem ;)
Cześć czy jak bym chciał zmienić wydech w dl 1000 z 2007 to muszę coś jeszcze dłubać oprócz tego?
Niczego nie trzeba ruszać. Mój miał tylko zmienione wydechy i w kłopotliwym zakresie obrotów (ok. 3750 o ile pamiętam), "prychał" czasem nieco bardziej. Możliwe jednak, że to wynikało z zastosowania bardziej przepustowego filtra powietrza od K&N, ale finalnie nie, nie trzeba niczego więcej instalować - żadnych Power Commanderów czy innych map.
Speedo read 9% fast.
The 650 is great on lanes, B roads and A Roads even two up.
Solo I gave a 701 sm a run for its money on a fast twisty road, its a genuine 110 motorcycle.
Only on the motorway two up you miss some grunt, it feels like it needs another gear but then it probably wouldnt pull it.
I normally cruise at 6-6.5k in top about 75-80.
If your prepared to hold it around 7k rpm it will hold 85 with some left for overtaking but Its probably not so frugal then.
Ive never ridden the 1000 but I imagine it must feel like my 1100 Guzzi, not really faster but more grunt.??
That said its alot lighter and Im gonna fit some 50/50s and take it on some easy offroad tracks.
If it had 10 more bhp it would be perfect as is its 8/10
Anyway all these bikes weren't really built for racing but the DL1000 definitely has more juice in itself. 650 for riding solo will be just fine, if you're not into racing Porsches etc.
The point is that you can travel all day with 170 with the big one. Ancona Milano in less than three hours. Coming from Greece.
ładnie mruczy :)
It should be measured by gps not speedometer. Speedometer values are very inacurate, they show higher speed that it is in real. So acceleration is not so good unfortunately as on movie. Anyway great video. Dobra robota:)
That is true, however for comparison purposes it doesn't matter. In V-Stroms the measurement error is especially large, exceeding even 10% if I remember correctly.
Is the best moto dl650 for evrythink
So which year n size is best ?
Depends on one's needs and preference. I'd not choose the 650 over the 1000 simply because of power - it's much more exciting.
i have one question the toal weight of the motors is the dl650 lighter than the dl1000 or is it the same
The DL 650 is a bit lighter. Perhaps the difference can be noticed. It's not super much but remember that the 1000 has an additional exhaust can up high too.
There is about 15kg total overall weight difference. The DL650 is a smaller motor and has a shorter stroke than the 1000. This means it carries its weight much lower. Ultimately it feels around 30kg lighter because of where it carries the weight. I had a 1000 and it was one of the best road bikes I ever owned. If you were going to go off-road, the 650 would be wayyyyyy better.
1000cc é 1000cc não tem jeito..
Hold on... Is that full acceleration on the DL1000 without a wheelie? How do i do that... My klv 1000 has the tendency to get up!...... Lol.
+GS You can't get full acceleration as pretty much every bike has enough power to fly away from underneath you :). The DL1000 makes powerwheelies with no effort on a first gear. Gotta be careful
+V-Told 2nd gear still power wheelie?
+GS Nah, not anymore, haha
I just got my 08 vstrom 650 about a month ago and love it. Only two things I would fix with the bike: get the 1000 and make it so the bike handles better in the corners.
Chris B. As for the handling - perhaps lower the weight? Replacing the muffler with an aftermarket one could help. Also wider handlebars may give you better control over the bike ;)
+Chris B. I have a K6 dl650 it's a little shorter, so it may handle a little better ? But like V-Told said it does help, and sliding the forks higher in the triple trees make the steering sharper, just don't go to far. Look it up in the forums for that info & other tips & tricks that may help. BTW the Shinko 705 tires handle very well on pavement wet or dry, and can handle some rocks better than some, and they are low cost for radials. Best of luck. yl
+V-Told I got rid of the Rox handlebar risers that came with the bike. Now it's like night and day, handle s great in the corners, I put the bars more uptight and made a world of difference.
+ylism I did install taller links, lowered the forks only 1/3 of an inch. Removing the risers was the best thing I could have done. They were pulling on the cords, handle bar was too far back and I can "feel" the bike moving over the ground better.
Sounds like you found some things that helped you, that is great ! yl
There is a difference but I believe real world experience for the average vstrom buyer is not so much better on vstrom 1000. Power is not everything. Sv650 owner after years on a bandit 1200. No doubt bandit was faster on straight line but sv650 is so much better on my daily commute and twisties. Also, doing motorways at 130kmh is effortless. It doesn't have the b1200 ability to do 120-160kmh in a blink but it is not necessarily a bad thing since those are illegal speeds and can avoid tickets.
Yeah, between the V-Stroms there's an easier comparison as they both have V2 engines with similar characteristics. I imagine the Bandit having weaker low end due to its inline engine comparing to a V2, so this kid of makes the SV650 (or a V-Strom 650) score in some areas like city riding.
@@VToldsMotoShow actually b12 engine was amazing at low revs and even better than sv650. You could ride all day between 2000-4000rpm because the 110nm of torq was all after 3000rpm and 80% or so almost from iddle. The b12 was heavier and a pig compared to the sv650. Sv650 is more fun, agile, engine doesn't heat up your legs, fi is a lot better than carbs and cornering ability is miles away from the bandit. Also, sv650 engine is also happier revving to the redline while bandit being air cooled old scholl was slower to rev but of corse faster of the line.
suzuki v strom 1000 the best
6 sek i 150km/h robi robote;)
That seems like an anemic DL650. Should have at least stayed up with the cruiser.
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+Артем Шинкоренко To Warszawa i jej okolice
+V-Told Zjazd z Puławskiej w obwodnicę? ;)
Rafał Odwołuję... to niemiecka autostrada ;)
+V-Told od razu wiedziałem ;)
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Have the riders switch bikes and I bet there will be a different result.
I don't think so. Perhaps both of the bikes would do up to 5% better as the 1000 rider normally rides DL 650 and the 650 rider owns a DL 1000. We had to switch bikes as we knew that 650 will be slower and only I had a camera mount on the helmet. So I had to be on the slower bike to film the results.
How can 60 Nm of torque/67HP beat 101Nm/98HP ???? The 650 rider operates up under the redline...
For the record, I have A DL1000 and my brother has a DL650. We both have tossed bikes around since 1980
@@fredrikkhoffman egzacly dl 1000 to be slower need to be alot heavier than it is =precisielly speaking not 240 kg but like 360 kg at this level up tpo like 140-160 km/h theyr acceleration start to be similar .
not really :x but nice try ;) dl 1000 is faster bike in both acceleration and top speed dl 1000 weight 240 kg and have 98 bhp with 85 kg driver that gives 300 bhp per tonne vs dl650 220 kg 67 bhp have only 220 bhp per tonne so at peak power at the same velocity dl 1000 can push from ground like almost 50% stronger ! what extrapolated on 35% stronger acceleration not 50% because dl 1000 is heavier and top speed if dl 650 go like 180 km/h gps depend on weather than in the same weather dl 1000 go around 200-205 km/h true gps velocity not bullshit tacho :X .
This looks like Warsaw
+huskee81 Could be, could be!
DL1000 better for highspeed but at a cost, A heaver bike and not very good off road. DL650 best all-round bike and lighter, easy to pickup too.
Yeah, none of these will do well off the road. Just not the right geometry for that at all.
no way, more power bike is faster and more powerful? No way!
Hard to believe but now proven.
I want a 650. My 1000 wastes too much fuel.
That additional fuel comes out as a deeper "bang" sound out of the exhaust.
fill the tank up and lets see who runs out first.
If range is your priority, get the weaker one. This video presents a race. Not a fuel consumption test. I'd even say that it's kind of an opposing matter.
not much in it really
não dá nem graça para a DL 650....
not a big difference
It shows when you're on either of the bikes. At higher speeds the difference in performance is multiplied.
the 1000 has been modified though, so bit unrealistic.... try it standard. it 'll be closer run.
There's just a slip-on exhaust on the 1000. 3-4 HP more than standard so not really anything noticeable I'd say.
Closer by about 6 feet. A slip on makes very little difference. A slip on and fuel tuner makes MAYBE 5 or 6hp tops. That isn't even close to the difference between those 2.
1000 takes off like a crotch rocket.
+Chris Bagley Yes, there's really no comparison. It may not look like that in the video but you sure feel that really well.
V-Told I have the 650. I rode it down here to South America.
Chris Bagley Good choice because it's a very reliable bike.
Yes, I have an 06 DL 1000. It really has good power but it is also heavy. I take it on dirt roads and gravel. Not really an off road bike.
MY DL 650 ITS MORE FASTER THAN THIS
Prove it! But no cheating :)
MfalmeVTold more fast or not, we get a good bike, right.
Of course, of course - I agree! V-Strom is a good bike, if not one of THE BEST :-)
No it isn't. This 650 is on the redline.
Joao paulo vieira
Yes, my also, runs up to 210 on Instruments. Real given 185 km. But i dont drive this 650 to run the street, curves is another place :)
650 owners really are the saltiest. Accept it the 650 is ok but its shit compared to the thou.