Amp Wars: Friedman Butterslax Vs. Marshall JCM800

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  • @SonicGamer1991
    @SonicGamer1991 4 роки тому +99

    The JCM800 sounds better to my ears.

  • @MarkPritchardGuitar
    @MarkPritchardGuitar 4 роки тому +54

    Wow was closer than i thought it would be, I think the Friedman has more mid range but both sounded great!

  • @TheFuneralFrog
    @TheFuneralFrog 4 роки тому +43

    The marshalls a bit brighter which makes me like it more, but im sure with a bit of eq the Friedman can sound pretty much exactly like the marshall

  • @NitroModelsAndComics
    @NitroModelsAndComics 4 роки тому +19

    My 50 watt jcm800 with a yellow boss overdrive in front of it is still my favorite sound

    • @user-qr7ee2cp4y
      @user-qr7ee2cp4y 4 роки тому +4

      That setup was good enough for zack wild too and I’m not going to argue with him.

    • @soundmattersuk
      @soundmattersuk 4 роки тому +1

      There's very little that sounds betteri have to agree

    • @dannymiller7129
      @dannymiller7129 4 роки тому +1

      That is a great tone for sure. I wish there was more clarity though. But it’s rock and roll after all.

  • @scottydogg278
    @scottydogg278 4 роки тому +29

    I preferred the Marshall boosted but the Friedman 'unoosted' as you phrased it ;)

  • @RequiemDead
    @RequiemDead 4 роки тому +73

    Blend those "unoosted" tones for mega awesome lended ones! lol

  • @jameshammett3223
    @jameshammett3223 4 роки тому +20

    The Friedman sounds awesome.
    But I’m still a JCM 800 kinda guy.

  • @niektenbrinke5733
    @niektenbrinke5733 4 роки тому +25

    I like the JCM more, has just a touch more presence en 'edginess', Friedman is a little muffled to my ears (prolly can be tweaked with eq on the friedman though)

    • @kesamek8537
      @kesamek8537 4 роки тому +1

      I detect the same thing with everything from Friedman vs any good Marshall, maybe Friedman's are more of a 'home practice' amp for teachers/students and UA-camrs, while Marshalls are more for high volume studio work and live performances.

    • @JorisGriffioen
      @JorisGriffioen 4 роки тому +1

      Sounds more like the gain on the Friedman is smoother. I doubt you can get the aggression of the JCM out of that.

    • @warmothgmc
      @warmothgmc 4 роки тому +1

      I agree. I like the presence edge on the 800 better. The Friedman was just a little smoother. I prefer the chaos of the Marshall. That’s why I have a JCM 800 from 1983.

  • @nothingislogical
    @nothingislogical 4 роки тому +10

    I definitely prefer the JCM800. Much fuller sounding to my ears and the Butterslax sounds more nasally.

  • @davel_ggw
    @davel_ggw 4 роки тому +4

    I am blown away every time I play through my JCM800 2203. The feel, the response, the tone, and the roar when pushed hard, are all just so perfect. And even though it sounds amazing here, and on the many recordings it has been used on, I think it really needs to be played through to be fully appreciated.

    • @GuitarsAndSynths
      @GuitarsAndSynths 2 роки тому

      Marshall for the win, accept no substitute the most copied amp in history next to the Plexi.

    • @benpotter4905
      @benpotter4905 Рік тому

      Here is my question on a JCM 800. Vintage or new production????

    • @davel_ggw
      @davel_ggw Рік тому +1

      @@benpotter4905 My vote is for the reissue 2203X.

    • @benpotter4905
      @benpotter4905 Рік тому +1

      @@davel_ggw that's what I think. A buddy of mine keeps saying vintage is better. He's also stuck in his stubborn ways

  • @spudvader
    @spudvader 4 роки тому +36

    U could buy a whole jcm800 rig for the price of the butterslax head alone and prob still have change

    • @SuperJiggawhat
      @SuperJiggawhat 4 роки тому +4

      Amps need to be cheeper, even if they are made in America. If not, it should atleast come with some authentic butter slacks to put on.

    • @realtruenorth
      @realtruenorth 4 роки тому +3

      @@SuperJiggawhat but, I like free market, cause sometimes the amps really are worth more $, sometimes they aren't. But it works in our favor cause they try hard to make amazing sounding amps.

    • @mercedes260d4
      @mercedes260d4 4 роки тому

      @@SuperJiggawhat go buy a Donner Morpher & a Quilter, since I see you, too, are a broke patrician.

    • @cardbored_
      @cardbored_ 3 роки тому

      Good luck playing the 800 on any reasonable volume levels lol

    • @spudvader
      @spudvader 3 роки тому

      @@cardbored_ Could always buy an oxbox, a boss tubeamp expander or a THD hotplate. There is plenty options to keep it manageable

  • @johnathan.jerusik
    @johnathan.jerusik 4 роки тому +8

    To me I can hear the core tone structure of the JCM800 in the Friedman. Sonically the main differences I heard (boosted and non boosted) were the marshall had more grit in the the gain, bit more treble, and almost a weird scoop in the upper mids area. Not a drastic scoop, just seemed like there was a frequency that was slightly missing. The Friedman sounded like it has a bit less top end, but that mid frequency was present making the Friedman sound more full and wider. The Friedman also sounded more smooth in the gain structure. The low end was very similar in both amps but I couldn't hear that much of a difference, I will need a 2nd or 3rd listen. But in general if I was blind folded or it was a live situation I wouldn't know if you had either one on stage.

  • @seanc2280
    @seanc2280 4 роки тому +17

    I used to have that exact JCM 800. It crushed.

  • @michaeldiamond76
    @michaeldiamond76 4 роки тому +7

    amazing how much the jcm cuts through

  • @nicktopping2484
    @nicktopping2484 4 роки тому +1

    Another sick video with sick AF Marshall goodness!

  • @RicardoPintoMusic
    @RicardoPintoMusic 4 роки тому +6

    Automatic translation begins with “Today on wrist piercing gear”. 😂

  • @nickthenail
    @nickthenail 4 роки тому +1

    Butterslax = lower-mid, forward JCM800 = high end sizzle The two mixed together *chef's kiss*

  • @JMPRocker
    @JMPRocker 4 роки тому

    Fired up my 2204 a few weeks ago. All original, never modded. Cranked it up to 7.5 on the Master ( the sweet spot for it) through my early 90’s 1960 Classic 4x12 loaded with the original reissue 25W Greenbacks ( not Chinese, made in England). Put the Pre-Amp up to 7.5 -8 ish just for the hell of it ( I normally keep it on 3- 4 then use an overdrive pedal in front of the amp for a boost) . Played straight through no pedals with my Les Paul Custom and man... the mean, nasty ROAR that came blasting through those Greenbacks was glorious. Made me proud . I own several Marshall’s, a Friedman, a Bogner, ( amazing amps) etc and No amp I have ever owned or played has that raw, killer roar that my JMP has when cranked.

  • @matsandersson8857
    @matsandersson8857 4 роки тому +32

    They sound almost the same. No need to pay for a Friedman Marshall rules.

  • @Hekkin
    @Hekkin 4 роки тому +2

    that 800 is fire af

  • @AIBCustomFx
    @AIBCustomFx 4 роки тому +2

    The older I get, the more I found those classic marshall amps appealing, but friedman's sounds like a good compromise between classic temper and modern texture. I dig both. Good job as always Fluff.

  • @baconfirre
    @baconfirre 4 роки тому +1

    So many questions. Fluff, what do these amps sound like when oosted? What's your favourite oost pedal? o ou refer oosted r n-oosted ones?

  • @larryschmollinger5694
    @larryschmollinger5694 4 роки тому +1

    The Marshall surprised me!!! It really did!!

    • @PsyloOfficial
      @PsyloOfficial 4 роки тому

      Its a fucking Marshall.. aint NO SURPRISE SON!!.. . GET 1.

  • @MegaDeforest
    @MegaDeforest 4 роки тому

    Love coming to work just to sit back and listen to these comparisons thanks for the content

  • @BBGuitars
    @BBGuitars 4 роки тому +2

    JCM 800 - flawless victory

  • @jakeybball
    @jakeybball 4 роки тому +4

    Butterslax is the best sounding amp that’s been produced in many many years.

  • @legoharry100
    @legoharry100 4 роки тому +4

    Blend those two together and that’s gonna be one sick tone.

  • @liberty4all885
    @liberty4all885 4 роки тому +4

    Jcm 2203 with an od in front is so sick

  • @TheCarymiller
    @TheCarymiller 4 роки тому +1

    @Riffs, Beards & Gear ~ I'm pretty sure these are virtually identical. And I'm a mastering engineer who designed a couple mastering software suites listening on PSI A21M monitors in my studio. If I'm being honest, if I was going to buy one now, I'd rather have the Butterslax, and get a few more channels. There was a slight boost in upper midrange on the JCM 800, and maybe a bit more basic midrange in the Friedman, but a touch of EQ, even in mixing would get your right there. If you never told anyone you used it, even enthusiasts wouldn't know it wasn't a real JCM800 in a mix. Plus all the old Marshalls were hand-built and sound a bit different unit to unit due to age/state of repair, tube bias, tube age, etc. I have a JTM 45 clone made by Jimmy Wyggle from years back, which is just about the best old 45 clone I've ever hear Vs. the real thing. This felt just about as impressive in the realms of 800 clones. I would set up your real one for cleaner tones in a sweet spot, and then use the Friedman for heavier gain sounds so you don't have to dial things in all the time when working on tracks. I don't think you need to hunt down an original to get in that ballpark anymore after this, that's for sure.
    What speakers are in your cab if you don't mind me asking? It sounded great.

  • @jleighwolfe
    @jleighwolfe 4 роки тому

    I didn't know i wanted this video but it perfectly illustrates a conversation i was having a couple weeks ago when i was trying to explain what it is that i liked about the Friedman amps.

  • @maxreedy3466
    @maxreedy3466 4 роки тому +3

    Butterslax is like an 800 with a Recto pre-blended in the mix to my ears.

  • @MrJabbawaky
    @MrJabbawaky 4 роки тому

    I definitely love how clinical and straight forward these videos are. The one issue I have is the really heavy noise gating. It seems to effect the attack of the notes after a rest in play, but that’s the first thing I listen for in an amp. I would love to hear the raw tracks with no gating. Keep up the good videos though!

  • @hoobastanker9
    @hoobastanker9 4 роки тому

    Fuck I love amp comparisons, people haven’t done these for ages! Go fluff!

  • @Leemuzhko
    @Leemuzhko 4 роки тому +5

    Character is the same, but Marshall have a bit more presence

  • @wheresallthezombies
    @wheresallthezombies 4 роки тому +1

    I don’t think it’s a matter of which is better. I think people (myself included) just want to hear them side by side because most don’t have access to both of these amps.
    With that said they’re both sick. I kind of wish there was a two channel jcm800. I could tell some differences on their own through my phone speaker but I gotta listen though better speakers when I get home.

  • @mykelc205
    @mykelc205 4 роки тому +1

    Marshall for life.

  • @vocalguitardrums
    @vocalguitardrums 4 роки тому +5

    the marshall sounds wider and the friedman sounds more mid focused

  • @MrRyeDaddy
    @MrRyeDaddy 4 роки тому

    Dude, PLEASE GIVE US MORE AMP WARS! That was riveting!

  • @iptranslations1987
    @iptranslations1987 4 роки тому +2

    800 all the way!!!

  • @fagyu7502
    @fagyu7502 4 роки тому +2

    Marshall for the brightness aNd CoZ iTs a cLAsSiC

  • @ShredShed
    @ShredShed 4 роки тому +2

    The 800 is better..holy shit. well, they are both great. With a boost I dig the 800 more. no boost, butterslax. Thanks for the Vid fluff, soo guud!!

  • @TheDeedeeFiles
    @TheDeedeeFiles 4 роки тому +1

    Love your channel man.

  • @robbebruers2841
    @robbebruers2841 4 роки тому +1

    With how the eq’s now are I liked the marshall more it’s a bit brighter but more treble and fuller in the mids but the Friedman also sounded great just a bit too dark for my liking

  • @GearGasms
    @GearGasms 4 роки тому +4

    I had never heard of a Friedman Butterslax? Interesting

    • @guitar19971
      @guitar19971 4 роки тому +1

      GearGasms it’s the signature amp of Bill Kelliher from mastodon.

    • @GearGasms
      @GearGasms 4 роки тому +1

      DeclanG oh cool! Thank you for that! Didn’t even know he had a sig amp

    • @guitar19971
      @guitar19971 4 роки тому +1

      GearGasms if you want to see more of it in action watch Sound Like Mastodon By Busting the Bank. The sound they get in that video is incredible.

  • @simmonphoenix3206
    @simmonphoenix3206 4 роки тому +1

    Wow they sound very close. I like the Jcm boosted and freedman unboosted. But they both kill.

  • @jcmoore5819
    @jcmoore5819 4 роки тому +1

    I really dig that Marshall more than the Friedman. Both sound great in their own ways. The similarities in both is probably your playing shining through. Can’t go wrong with either amp!

  • @tomulator
    @tomulator 4 роки тому +2

    Really hard to tell the difference with drop tuned riffs...makes everything sound more “gainy” and similar in tone. I suggest standard tuning, simple power chords, and maybe some lead lines for the next amp war. LOVE the format though...no effects, boosted/unboosted, etc. 👍🏼

  • @Superjet113
    @Superjet113 4 роки тому +1

    Now we're talkin!

  • @nintensam64
    @nintensam64 4 роки тому +3

    They are so similar. I think the best one is just the cheapest of the two.

  • @DennisCameronMusic
    @DennisCameronMusic 4 роки тому

    I like the 'UNOOSTED' tone at 2:24 :)

  • @taylorwyatt333
    @taylorwyatt333 4 роки тому

    Amp Wars, great idea.

  • @gyrosphinx
    @gyrosphinx 4 роки тому

    Unboosted I preferred the Butterslax, but boosting brought out some fluffy, fuzzy woolly goodness in the JCM 800 that I really, really liked!

  • @Dylan-ji5ug
    @Dylan-ji5ug 4 роки тому +3

    Friedman is definitely more “modern” where the Marshall seems to have a bit more “mud”. I guess it depends what you’re looking for.

  • @riffsnoleads
    @riffsnoleads 4 роки тому

    Both sounded great, I did have a preference to the 800 for its simplicity and the slight extra bit of biting edge it has, but I am would get neither since I already have a the sickest amp ever, the Peavey VTM 120.

  • @Psyfonify
    @Psyfonify 4 роки тому

    Now this is some quality stuff right here

  • @BrodySilverSN
    @BrodySilverSN 4 роки тому

    This is the perfect video to wake up and watch

  • @torahwarrior2442
    @torahwarrior2442 4 роки тому +3

    Just reminds me I choose right when got my jcm800 studio classic...both great just cant beat a jcm800...IMO

    • @jessehoopes7042
      @jessehoopes7042 4 роки тому

      Me too there both rad, when they came out with the sc I was jacked . for years I just knew that the 800 is an amp I would be totally happy with. I didn't get one because I know that getting the tone out of it meant kranking it to levels that wouldn't work in certain situations and I didn't want to deal with an attenuator and all that jazz. The 20 watt version is perfect I gig with it and everything what I can do with pedals is the best ever, it's straight tone without pedals is awesome I can't say enough good thing's. The only thing I need to figure out is how and when I'm Getting another one. Gotta have 2 there perfect might get a 2204 or the sc jubilee I'm just not apposed to either of them. but probably another sc is what I'll end up with

  • @Take-the-Ticket
    @Take-the-Ticket 4 роки тому +1

    Boosted - Marshall. Unboosted - Friedman. That Marshall sounds super dope.

  • @mercedes260d4
    @mercedes260d4 4 роки тому

    The Butterslax is basically a Brown Eye with some bass dialed back in, since the BE is Plexi based.
    I like the Friedman stuff, but I can save like 2800 bucks by buying a Riot or Pinnacle and tbh I think I like them better tonewise as well.

  • @calebafile4306
    @calebafile4306 4 роки тому +7

    That JCM just has such a chunkier tone, but that Friedman kicks ass. Both would sound so gnarly on a song

    • @BJ.Cardoso
      @BJ.Cardoso 4 роки тому +2

      The FM sounds like a fat beef while the jcm sounds like a thin chicken steak

    • @Dustinchugs
      @Dustinchugs 4 роки тому

      SUCH a chunkier tone? Hard no.

    • @calebafile4306
      @calebafile4306 4 роки тому +2

      Y'all are both wrong. The low end on the JCM is thiccer and juicer, but the FM has a nice mid range

    • @Dustinchugs
      @Dustinchugs 4 роки тому

      @@calebafile4306 This guy gets it!

    • @lukeshirtliff7861
      @lukeshirtliff7861 Рік тому

      i use the amped roots friedman of this and use in all my songs, i feel the bass scoop other amps have tale the job away from the bass guitar

  • @thedondeluxe6941
    @thedondeluxe6941 4 роки тому +1

    Good ol' Marshall is a win for me.

  • @gbirdo4718
    @gbirdo4718 4 роки тому +10

    They’re incredibly similar. I wish you had some clips in standard tho! Marshall’s in standard give you that awesome midrange bark that you loose in lower tunings.

  • @xsonicassassinx
    @xsonicassassinx 4 роки тому

    without the high pass in the boost, you really see how much UMPH the butterslax has. they can sound incredibly similar. cool test

  • @thebassbuilder
    @thebassbuilder 4 роки тому +1

    Hard to hear the difference between them but the Marshall sounded best to me and was smoother and less piercing.

  • @ajbrown5805
    @ajbrown5805 4 роки тому

    closer than expected! But that marshall sounded so much sludgier in a really pleasing way

  • @jessedelaney77
    @jessedelaney77 4 роки тому +1

    Virtually identical except for a bit more midrange in the Friedman.

  •  4 роки тому +1

    Both are neck to neck. I would say Marshall still holds it's own! The winner-Marshall!

  • @coreyclark6505
    @coreyclark6505 4 роки тому

    Both sounded great!

  • @pt8175
    @pt8175 4 роки тому

    That Friedman Butterslax with a Friedman 412/15 CABINET CHECKERED(2x12" G12H30 / 2x15" 15G15G loaded in it). Will stomp on most any amp and cab.

  • @conan218
    @conan218 4 роки тому

    I absolutely love your tone.

  • @TobyKBTY
    @TobyKBTY 4 роки тому

    The Friedman was more of that wall of sound thiccness, but the JCM had some classic, lovely dirt and grind. Both extremely useable and great.

  • @opt123123
    @opt123123 4 роки тому +3

    "kind of"?? The Friedman's are exactly modded Marshalls, Jose arendondos work to to tee

  • @jpwill75
    @jpwill75 4 роки тому

    That Burny is awesome

  • @jadedspace6711
    @jadedspace6711 4 роки тому +2

    Friedman sound better in a mix but the marshal sounds better alone IMO

  • @seventhsealhere
    @seventhsealhere 4 роки тому

    JCM800 sounds brighter so more my taste. I think a BE100 would have been closer but not the point of this video. Good vid Fluff

  • @heyimjoshnicetomeetya
    @heyimjoshnicetomeetya 3 роки тому

    I like the JCM800's kinda fuzzy sort of sound.

  • @Jbeland1
    @Jbeland1 4 роки тому +2

    Haha I liked the Marshall. 1/3 of the price too

  • @billydelacruz1500
    @billydelacruz1500 4 роки тому

    Came for the amps( own 78 JMP/ owned 86 JCM 800 but sold to finance vintage Gretsch purchase) but that shirt shook me! Not to sound like a poser but it was very cool! Brand?? Cheers!!

  • @JorisGriffioen
    @JorisGriffioen 4 роки тому +1

    Still nothing compares to the rawness of a JCM800. It's not perfect but pretty unique.

  • @northernamplification8894
    @northernamplification8894 4 роки тому

    The reason Butterslax sounds better unboosted is because it has diodes in the circuit, so effectively it's "always boosted". To me all Friedman amps lack that insane kerrang and "ocean of harmonics" you get from a real vintage Marshall, which probably isn't quite what you want for this style/genre anyway though. That said, for lead work I've never tried an amp that felt better to play than the Friedman SS100, and they do sound good.

  • @salxorw3191
    @salxorw3191 4 роки тому

    Love the Friedman amps

  • @mattdummitt9500
    @mattdummitt9500 4 роки тому +2

    JCM800

  • @madsnex426
    @madsnex426 4 роки тому +1

    Funny... I liked the Friedman more unboosted, and the JCM more Boosted. Great tones all around though!

  • @marklively7402
    @marklively7402 4 роки тому

    Both are awesome. I pick the JCM in this demo because it’s a bit less compressed.

  • @jaxonbatts9270
    @jaxonbatts9270 4 роки тому

    the 800 had more fizz on the top end,where the butterslax was smoother in the highs but had a more forward mid range

  • @screw66
    @screw66 4 роки тому +2

    JCM 800

  • @clintn6677
    @clintn6677 4 роки тому

    Isnt your JCM modded? The thing I like about the JCM is that its just a great base tone. You can pretty much do anything with it. add a proco rat, tube screamer, SD-1, etc and enjoy.

  • @aarondr594
    @aarondr594 4 роки тому

    It's interesting, the Friedman is like a Marshall but only the frequencies that stand out in the mix and none that don't. In the boosted comparison the extra hair and presence of the Marshall simply died in the mix and what was left was very close to what the butterslax was all along.

  • @PippPriss
    @PippPriss 4 роки тому

    Liked the Butterslax more, both boosted and unboosted - there's a certain lower mid range with is more dominant. However, the JCM also sounded absolutely stellar, it's just a bit different.

  • @madmikemike
    @madmikemike 4 роки тому

    Love this. Thanks for doing this for us poor people, fluff

  • @marcoalexanderwinthermikke9132
    @marcoalexanderwinthermikke9132 4 роки тому

    If IR’s were used, Which one was it?
    Love the sounds and video!

  • @Dustinchugs
    @Dustinchugs 4 роки тому +1

    Both sound amazing but the Friedman has that SEXY mid bump

  • @leokintscher5939
    @leokintscher5939 4 роки тому

    They both sounded sweet. To my ears the Friedman sounds a little darker, whereas the JCM sounds a little bit "thicker". I personally play a JCM, but I could very well live with the Friedman as well :D

  • @jorgemelchor9000
    @jorgemelchor9000 4 роки тому +1

    Jcm 800 the best classic amp ever made, ammm... and the plexi of course

  • @onlyfromadistance7326
    @onlyfromadistance7326 4 роки тому +2

    Definitely Marshall...

  • @juanimuller
    @juanimuller 4 роки тому

    The ¨grain¨ of the Friedman is amazing

  • @BlackLabelMark
    @BlackLabelMark 4 роки тому +2

    2203

  • @ARayMaddy
    @ARayMaddy 4 роки тому

    the drop tunings on amp reviews make ALL amps sound more wickedly heavy...so its harder to tell the true colors of the amps with the one finger playing styles. Still fun guy and vids!

  • @josecordova2754
    @josecordova2754 4 роки тому

    I really liked the "Unoosted" take ! :)

  • @janbelcher1896
    @janbelcher1896 4 роки тому

    The Friedman has a bit more clarity and isn't as muddy i think. I'm sure either way the JCM800 is probably the better choice for most guitarists who can't afford the 2 and a half grand amp.