How Not To Make An Anime (What Went Wrong With Crunchyroll's EX-ARM) | Animator Spotlight
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Canipa discusses the many things that went wrong with the Crunchyroll Original Series EX-ARM, and how they basically demonstrate exactly how not to make an anime.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Chapter 0 - Introducing EX-ARM
02:24 - Chapter 1 - The Director
04:12 - Chapter 2 - Motion-Capture
06:30 - Chapter 3 - The Animation Studio
10:23 - Chapter 4 - Compositing
12:10 - Chapter 5 - The Worst Anime of All Time
Sources and Further Reading:
Crunchyroll Expo Panel Summary - www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...
Crunchyroll interview with Yoshikatsu Kimura - www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/ani...
What the Heck Happened to Berserk? (by me) - www.animenewsnetwork.com/feat...
Why Does The Crunchyroll Original Series EX-ARM Look So Awful? (also by me) - www.animenewsnetwork.com/feat...
The Cinematic Legacy of Square Enix - • THE CINEMATIC LEGACY O...
A-Tribe Stunt Team - atribe-stunt.com/
Visual Flight website - visualflight.jp/
Interview with Ufotable's Yuichi Terao (by me) - www.animenewsnetwork.com/feat...
Interview with Sword Art Online: Alicization's Kentaro Waki (also by me) - www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...
Follow me on Twitter: / canipashow
Intro:
Animated by Christian Maize (@CookieficationJ)
Music by Steven Kelly (@Sarifus)
Produced for The Canipa Effect
Anime series featured in this video (chronologically):
EX-ARM
Berserk (2016)
Fullmetal Alchemist
D4DJ First Mix
Land of the Lustrous
Love Live! School Idol Project
Hi Score Girl
Little Busters
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
The Legend of Korra
Psycho-Pass
Attack on Titan
Game: Final Fantasy VII Remake
Game: Final Fantasy VIII
Game: Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
Game: Final Fantasy XIII
Game: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
Francesca: Girls Be Ambitious
Yowamushi Pedal: The Movie
BEASTARS
Fate/Stay Night: Heaven's Feel i. presage flower
Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba
Blame!
Sword Art Online: Ordinal Scale
RWBY
Game: Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
Game: Final Fantasy X
Sk8 the Infinity
Wonder Egg Priority
Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation
Re:Zero - Starting Life in Another World
That Time I Got Reincarnated by a Slime
Log Horizon: Destruction of the Round Table
Music:
Don't Give Up - The Lighthearts
Defective Chain - Psycho-Pass Season 3
Bio Contact - Psycho-Pass Season 2
Sibyl System - Psycho-Pass
Cymatic Scan - Psycho-Pass Season 2
Express - Psycho-Pass Season 3
All footage is used for the purpose of review and is fair use. - Фільми й анімація
"Neither the director or the animation studio have ever worked in anime before"
*pretends to be shocked*
should have put BIG fat quotations marks on animation studio
I agree with King J, that's not even a animation studio, they send raw Mocap files to studio of 3D modelers.
Perhaps they did it out of ignorance believing the myth that all 3D artists just magically always are animators, or plain greed because animation is expensive, but the message remains: They had no idea what they where doing.
@@frostreaper1607 thank you and your Right day had no idea what they were doing I mean I also can't animate and I want to someday be part of the animation industry so you know what I would do I would get someone that knows way more about animation than me which is what the studio should have done
Well ... that makes sense
Well, that is true.
Imagine putting your heart and soul into a manga, writing the perfect story that you've been developing for years. Then, a company is like "yo let's make it an anime". Your heart flutters, joy bubbling over as you stay up at night imagining all the cool moments you Invisioned fully animated and colored. Then it comes out like EX-arm
Iunno man, Berserk16' and some others aren't too far behind
@@hannahlebouef9612 But, like... The guy the OP's implying is the author...
@@mkzhero its a lot far behind. Berserk 3d had pleny ideia of what they're doing but didnt have the time to do it
@@davipenha they could at least stop the camera shake and render at 30 or 30+ so the viewer's eyes don't tear and leak out... Yet they didn't. So yeah, they had no idea what they're doing too. And dunno about you, but i prefer to watch ugly and SMOOTH CGI that at least doesn't demolish my eyes to slightly better looking but still rather ugly CGI that each minute of watching it feels like my eyes are gonna pack and pop out to go on strike, and i can't even tell what's going on half the time.
*shingeki no kyojin 4 flashbacks*
I feel genuinely bad for those who actually enjoyed the manga and end up getting this shit as their anime adaptation
Ikr 😭
i feel bad for the person who wrote the manga.
And I'm pretty sure the manga wasn't even bad. And even if it was bad there's no way it's worse than this lmao
Manga is pretty decent
berserk fans: First time?
I hope the English dub is like Ghost Stories. That would make it a masterpiece.
No not really
@@cheenobi6123 yes really
I always thought this "anime" is in english, till I watched this video. Now I want what you said too! 😆
I dont understand,how a goddam VA can fix the whole mess this montrosity
@@riciirizaldii8811 exactly
I feel so bad for the original mangaka of this series
Imagine getting a deal for your multi year work, then hearing that Crunchyroll would be backing it, only to find out that this is the end result. I'd have to sue.
@@OseiTheWarriors same
I'm with you on that part.
from what ive heard, this is actually decently popular in japan (same kinda deal as 'the room') and the manga sales have skyrocketed, partly out of sympathy. so i think the mangaka is ok with it.
Me too, imagine you were that guy. If it was me I'd call for canceling the show and suing them if they won't.
man, i feel so bad for the mangaka. imagine your work getting turned into...this.
And because of the business culture, they can't come out and put them on blast. Especially since the anime was funded by their publisher.
Insert vomiting sounds
Wonder if the royalty he got is more than enough to compensate for that
True, i checked out the manga and its not nearly bad enough to deserve this. Hopefully this atleast gets some people interested in the manga.
@EE Tachi Just a hunch, but: "$$$$$$$$$"
This is like asking a physicist to become a doctor just because they both know science
Oof
This is horrifyingly accurate.
Wait, this was an ADAPTATION of a Manga?? I thought this was just some dumpster fire anime original or something. Poor Mangaka, his work didn't deserve to be associated with this.
Yeah, the manga has above average art actually, I feel so bad for the author like" Yes, after all my hard work someone offered to adapt my manga!" Then they get this. Sad.
@@namehere3068 above average is understatement for manga art
the manga is actually pretty decent ngl
the sad things is the anime will affect the Manga in sales and impression long term..poor Mangaka. Not to mention there no 2nd chance for anime adaptation. Once anime adaptation is released, thats all. It will stuck in Manga form only from now on.
@@sirdarkon4517 devil man was adapted twice so ex arm has a chance
Ex-Arm, missing Ex-Perts
Golden plate layout pun. What level! :)
This pun is great.
Lol
Goddammit. Well done.
Ex-cellent pun
I feel bad for the manga authors. This is Kuma Miko levels of "what the fuck did they do to my work"
Can I get a quick rundown on Kuma Miko?
@@bucket9486 The ending/last episode was a train wreck of a character derailment, or so I read. Lost interest watching it halfway.
@@bucket9486 It's a slice of life about a miko with a bear for a childhood friend who wants to leave the countryside and experience city life. The last episode (anime-only) has her suffer a hallucination-induced mental breakdown, decide to leave the city forever, and mentally regress into a childlike state. This is treated as a good thing by everyone around her. Shortly after the episode aired, the manga author wrote a strongly-worded blog post about the whole mess (that eventually got deleted).
@@JoelBurger wow what were they thinking when they made that.
@@JoelBurger Christ, that's fucked up. You'd think this was a psychological horror anime from that ending alone.
I heard about this anime when strolling through tweets about Attack on Titan’s CGI, and I thought to myself: “Eh, they’re probably exaggerating stuff, the CGI shouldn’t be that bad.”
This looks really bad. What is this, an amateur SFM/MMD animation???
Dont you dare compare this to MMD!
Its an insult to MMD videos on youtube.
@@vincerosal751 It would be a compliment to some parts of MMD community. MMD is piss easy to use, and yet some people can't be bothered to spend couple of extra hours to fix glitching hair, doing some basic editing, learning how to properly set a camera angle, and anything more complicated than setting models on the stage and animating it.
it looks about on par with RWBY. which is definitely NOT a compliment lol
@@the-ms8fz i agree that rwby wasnt the best overall, but the fight scenes were not bad at all
@@roboolet at least RWBY's style is consistent and it has composition (I went back to volume 1 to double check). EX Arms flipped flop between 2D and 3D MMD like dafuq?
"Finally, after all these years, my work is getting an adaptation, now let us watch the trailer of my-holy shit what the fuck is this abomination" -The mangaka, probably
Wait it was an adaptation?
@@mhikosale7233 yeh
the mangaka: finally. an adaption! I can finally get a Ghost in the Shell slice of the pie...
the director: don't look behind you
the mangaka: why what's wrong with - sweet nation of shit! I mean oh my god! you've just brought the production to it's goddamn knees!
But actually, the mangaka must know how the studio animate the series, i dont know is Shirobako anime is same as RL situation, but in that series, the studio cant publish their work if the author of manga dont accept it (like chara model, changed plot, etc)
@@araccount27 Not really, because at the end of the day the production has a certain amount of momentum. There's a point where too much has been invested and something has to be made.
If the author had continued being a dick in Shirobako, the anime would still have to be made, but Musani Production would have had crazy time constraints as a result of all the design changes and interventions from the author (that or they would have given it to another studio where you'd have the same issue).
Once the trailer for Ex-Arm was released, it was already too late to go back because all the mistakes had already been made and the anime was in production. So the author couldn't really get in and stop everything, especially since his publishing company is part of the production committee. He can't really walk up to his boss and tell him to just burn the money he invested by canceling the anime adaptation of his manga.
One of my college professors describes animators as "actors with pencils." The fact that they think they need to have a knowledge of live-action, an entirely different medium, in order to understand and make good animation is all the proof you need to know that nobody who worked on this anime understands animation at all.
well acting is one thing but cinematography is another.
my professor said the exact same thing, so whats the point did i go to college for after i witnessed this monstrosity
@@plasthicc5407 money do talk, and those with money sometime doesn't have big enough brain...
@@plasthicc5407 The point is that you actually learned and understand the fundamentals and differences of the mediums, which these professionals didn't.
@@gabetalks9275 Well said. It hurts me for the mangaka. The art is really good.
Enjoy it while it's airing everyone, we're not going to get another boondoggle at this level for many years.
You give Crunchyroll way too much credit, they are probably planning some more shit "original content" asap
@@hitempguy to be fair one of their originals, Onyx Equinox, was actually good. Sometimes you just have to fumble a bit until you can figure out what to invest money in, especially if you can afford to.
@@Manganization Onyx was not good in the slightest, but to each their own
@@hitempguy "slightest" would suggest that there were no redeemable factors. To each their own, but I'm still interested in why you think it's awful
To be fair, I'd been touting Hand Shakers as the worst anime ever made since it came out and I honestly didn't expect something to top it so soon.
So they did hire talented people. But misused them.
That's sad.
The adaptation should be rebooted, The manga's story line is really good
Yeah, and with people who ACTUALLY has experience with anime.
Unfortunately, the manga got axed.
@@Knoloaify oof.
@@Knoloaify wanted to read it omg...
@@Knoloaify what, why?
*So instead of paying their translators and anime studios a fair wage, this is where the money went to.*
Typically crunchyroll
Remember High Guardian Spice. . . ?
Yeah, that's a thing lol
You guys know CR has parent companies right?
Funimation and Crunchyroll are both terrible companies, unsurprisingly, they're now both owned by Sony.
@@mariokarter13 and Sony swings back and forth, separately for each division, almost at random, between one of the best and one of the worst companies in all it's consumer facing businesses.... Well, it used to...
I'd say this anime is like a train wreck you can't look away from, but I'd say this is one of those rare exceptions.
Please for the love of god, look away and save yourself.
thank you good man
this show make 2016 berserk looks good... that shows how bad this train wreck... i still can watch all episode on 2016 berserk, but 5 minute to ex arm i already give up... their 3D animation is amazingly bad like other worldly abomination beyond salvation...
I wonder if the manga is any better.
i feel its plenty easy to look away from
cause its nasty
This like a drugs.
You know it's bad but once you taste it you can't stop.
Just kidding: I watch because I need something to cringing.
This makes RWBY look like the Mona Lisa. No hate towards RWBY.
No bones, old RWBY looks like the original XIII, and that is not a compliment, but Monty Oum was an animation master.
First 3 seasons of RWBY were truly a masterpiece in my opinion but the other... Yeah. Still Mona Lisa compared to this crap 😂
RWBY had its weird animation at times but atleast the story (well, the first 3 volumes at most) was good and the fighting animation was cool and quick asf
If this looked even remotely like rwby it would be eons better
@@pleejithoj1712 first 3 volumes had decent story, mediocre cg, and amazing fighting animation. Past that we have a bad story, decent to good cg, and okay fighting animation. Everything just shuffled around a bit.
Honestly, whenever someone does mocap fight scenes, I will ALWAYS compare them to Monty Oum's work. That man had such intimate understanding of camera angles and how to make his characters move.
And he did it WITHOUT mocap. At least in his solo stuff and RWBY Season 1 (not sure about later seasons, and I stopped watching after the middle of Season 3 anyways, when he was already dead and his work was passed on to someone else).
My brain broke in the third episode when a window exploded and the camera did a pan zoom to it but THE EXPLOSION ITSELF WAS A 2D EFFECT ON THE CAMERA SO IT DIDN'T SCALE WITH THE REST OF THE SHOT MOVING IN AND JUST STAYED ON SCREEN WHERE IT WAS
this is the greatest anime of all time
SFX machine broke
Timestamp? 'cos I'm not watching an entire episode of this thing, even just for the sake of witnessing this supremely funny moment.
@@HaganeNoGijutsushi stamp is somewhere between 00:00 and 24:00
@@WerrinLotsuvhats real helpful, thanks.
@@HaganeNoGijutsushi (I think) it's around 15:12 on a rip I found on youtube, idk if it has cuts or what but it should be around that part (there are some spider robots shooting at the protagonists, the window explodes, a missile comes out of nowhere and then a giant robot shows up)
This sounds like
"I lied on my resume but got the job anyways and now I'm winging it" - the animation lol
Pretty much.
And this is why a good resume or name has nothing to do with the actual quality of the final product.
Most of those names are actually decently known names, but it's like say, putting bill gates to work on... I dunno, design project for a bike.
Why would he know how to makw a bike? Like, maybe he does, but just cause he's a big name doesn't mean he'll do a good job at it.
...and this isn't the first time it happened, there was a superhero anime some time ago directes by stan lee, can't remember the name...
Well, it kinda blew.
Shit like this happens all the time because studio executives know nothing about actual talent and how to best make use of that talent.
College students can put out better works honestly
@Strong Watcher yup, which is actually strange because another work by him was Ultimo, a co-produced manga with a japanase artist, and... Now i admit i didn't read that one but compared to the anime, Ultimo actually has a bit of a cult following from what i know, being at the very least decent.
Animation really is a different beast.
@@iota-09 You are referring to Heroman, I guess. I didn't find anything wrong with it's animation though.The story was fine too. Studio Bones made it which also did Mob Psycho 💯 and My Hero Academia
@@shyguy5473 actually no, the ine i was referring to is "the reflection"
I feel like the line at 8:06 sums up all the flaws perfectly: "They were entirely misused on EX-ARM."
This team seems full of people that are really good at what they do, but for some reason they were brought in to do something that they "shouldn't" be doing. It's like if you hired an expert baker to do an oil painting for you.
Mihoyo is surely having a laugh at this and be like "we must be better than them"
Mihoyo did a good job animating 3d models
@@skwizzzb3904r/whoosh
Well, Mihoyo is still miles better compared to this pile of dog shit. IIRC Canipa Effect also has a video on the anime-inspired animation for their latest game, Genshin Impact.
Mihoyo be cacklin with alot of short animations and a billion dollar
Mihoyo uses so much 2d in their CGs, you never even question that its actually 3d
Freaking Monty Oum managed to single handedly made a fan animation better than this show using low budge software and a regular computer before he became a professional for no money than this fully funded studio! I've seen collage freshmen that made better stuff.
Yeah from this summary alone, even if people think Rwby has problems its not as irredeemably bad as this, its just the directiors and writers that suck but this stuff takes talent, lol. They get someone better than M&K and get better animatiors they got a really good show on their hands. EX-ARM would just have to start from scratch.
I used to think the first seasons had their flaws in the animation and the jittery motion capture but Monty did the best he could with what he had. Glad to see his legacy improve overtime even without him.
rwby has better animation that ex arm
Rwby went downhill though after Monty Oum died. I quit watching it after that one character died.
i cant believe im saying this but rwby is leagues ahead and that i agree with you, i may have problems with M&K retconning everything and a completely contradictory story with plans that would only work if everybody in the room was stupid but EX-ARM is like nails on a chalkboard compared to rwby.
Fs in the chat for the mangaka. They really did him dirty.
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2:11 Can we just talk about how fucking CLEAN that edit from Spider-Verse to Legend of Korra was? Well done!
people say “average bad” is the worst kind of bad, this is shit, and not even good enough to laugh at.
Jesus christ what a train wreck. I just feel bad for everyone who had to put their name on this.
imagine being an accomplished author of a manga and having this abortion of an adaptation ruin everything.
@@ppr881 he's the one I feel the most sympathy for, this could have been big for him, brought him lots of readers. If it were any other company/companies it could have at least been decent and put his name on the table.
@@ppr881 Exactly, I couldn't bare it if I was a mangaka.
They even casted known voice actors for that anime..
@@CRAgamer In fact the anime is so bad it made me read the manga to get the best experience, so it kinda worked in reverse?
The biggest disappointment from this anime is that someone else someone new with potential could have gotten this job in an industry where these opportunities are limited to but instead a con artist got the job and probably got paid pretty well at that.
Yeah it just sad, this anime deserves better.
Not a con artist, just an idiot.
They're are indie creators on this website who would've done far better
Well, rather than a con artist, they're hiring people for the wrong job expecting they will manage it as well. Like, hiring a stunt actor to be a 2D animator expecting them to produce stellar fighting animation drawings, stunt actors know how to act in good action scenes but they might don't know how to draw. I'm more of questioning the producer's decision on the hiring process, what makes them think it's a good idea to hire people who are experienced at "A" but asked them to do "Z", it's illogical. It's not that they've been lied to, they know full well of their resume but still chooses to do so.
"[...] there's a lot of mechanical assets that would have to be done in 3d anyway..." That statement alone makes me respect pre-CG mecha animators as gods.
Absolutely aggre,where the mecha fans!!! Jeepers
Gundam in particular.
That stunt team looked extremely talented. Too bad there was no way for them to translate their fight choreography well enough.
This anime is a money laundering operation, there's no way anyone would've continued to fund this
I mean an IT company is involved for some reason so why not?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Also a Limo company?
@@spelcheak a WHAT company? Man, this is weird af
I've been thinking the same thing ever since I first heard about it and started looking at some of the companies involved. Heck, even the animation company itself looks like a front for something. XD
@@Dr.PicklePh.D. And they chose some poor guy's manga to do it
"He believed that his entrance into the anime industry meant that he wouldn't be tied down to how things are usually done."
I mean he's not... wrong?
This is how he will learn that usually there's a reason why things are done the way they are done.
Yeah, different doesn't mean better, haha
On one hand, he's not wrong when it comes to his work on films, but looking at his previous work, it seems to me he never learned to deal with the shortcomings of working with actors, and planning a good angle for the shot, making sure the action looks good and convincing, so personally, it comes off as if he was blaming the medium for his problems, and in the end, I don't think he'll learn anything from this experience.
Reminds me of one of those idea guys
@@ProxyDoug i agree, from the live action clips in this vid, it doesn't seem he even did live-action well
Title: What went wrong with Crunchyroll's Ex-Arm
Me: *Whispers* Everything...
me, so used to the godlike quality of MiHoYo’s CG cinematics and then seeing this monstrosity: mom come pick me up i’m scared-
same, mihoyo really peaked themselves with the lantern rite scene
@@theweedeater1842 dude check out the honkai impact cinematics (i recommend lament of the fallen and shattered samsara) they’re so fucking good
The more you go on the worse it gets!! This is honesty a disaster, and I've got my popcorn ready to see how it plays out XD
Sonicha come on man I need my mortal kombat 11 ytp
Dunno, this guy kinda puts it really badly... Most of the problem here is actually the fact they put near ZERO budget toward making good cgi to use the motion captures on, heck, they didn't even bother to rig face expressions! If not for the 2d effects plastered on top, the NON EXISTANT face expressions, more decent lighting and models, and way too stiff non action scene movements (which is the only non CGI related problem here, and is probably a problem created by them not using any motion cap on for these scenes), this would be way more watchable, maybe even decent
This says a Lot about our society
@@mkzhero no he didn't
"They'll be forever known as "The EX-ARM guys"" I legit laughed out loud at that. Yikes man, thats like saying "yeah I was one of the animators for Food Fight".
This is actually terrible.
With Food Fight maybe you could claim you worked in the animation that was stolen I guess?
Or like "Yeah bro. I'm the developer of Super Fight."
This is what Big Red Button has to deal with after developing Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric.
And this anime is the new worst anime passing sds s3 and berserk. Not opm s2, they prove that they can but somehow they don't want to. I am glad i haven't watch this Ex-Tangan
They should have gotten the animators from the jojo intro’s
They're preety busy rn
@@Jun-jf8qu i seriously cant wait for stone ocean and see made in heaven to be animated
@@klyedlaserdeath5541 Yup, You know their having a special event/live stream where they'll hopefully announce the part 6 anime in April.
@@Jun-jf8qu it better not be april fools or i will be pissed
@@klyedlaserdeath5541 Same man we can only hope they don't announce a mobile game instead or something.
It's one of those where you can say
"The manga had better animation..."
This is like asking a photographer to draw a potrait for you because his work looks so realistic.
Aot fans: BUUU THEY ADDED CGI! THE ANIME IS RUINED
EX-ARM and BERSERK fans: Are you sure about that!!!
Cgi ain't even bad smh
@@mzashtiker CGI done right is LITTTTTT. while its hard to implement CGI to anime, but if done right, its gonna be gold
Their eyes can't compare bad cg with good cg/great cg. Aot cg is mid level at ep 6 but ep 7&8 cg is great. Ex arm on the other side literally bad.
@@tazukisky CGI Anime is a solved problem at this point. Guilty Gear figured out how to make it work and in a post-Drifting Dragons world nobody has any excuses anymore.
Only anime I’ve seen CGI done beautifully is Fate.
I’m never going to criticize Ghost in the Shell SAC_2045’s animation ever again.
it’s a shame because the models themselves are actually quite good-looking and has a lot of potential to create a nice stylised anime, but the animation ruins the whole thing.
Chapter 3: NO
I died lmao
He also made a "Hell NO" pun with that too.
Witty editting
The IT company doing storyboarding is so absurd I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a case of nepotism.
Pog pfp
As someone looking to do a 3D animated series, this is actually quite useful. This is what I gleaned from the video. I'll throw a few links at the bottom to better elaborate what I am talking about.
1: Understand 2D animation, and how to make perspective and depth in said more restrictive medium, and you will better be able to transfer that into 3D animation. Skills related to Live-Action matter less, I theorize this has to do with LA's specific caveats when it comes to camerawork, as it is a semi-immobile (Or at least heavy) physical object with a physical operator. As well as restrictions on angle so you don't catch the film crew. This feels like it forces the camerawork into being more stilted than it could be.
2: Motion capture, even after the many years it has been a thing, still kinda sucks. This is exemplified when you use it almost exclusively. Over reliance on it also allows the total disregard of basic animation principles(1), and their hiring of a stunt coordinator rather than an action director shows a fundamental lack of priority: prioritizing production philosophies that did not contribute to the end product.
3: Understand basic animation principles, _and actually rig your models so they can follow them._ Understanding and conveying human emotion is fundamental to making characters appear alive, this requires understanding how to properly animate facial expressions. Not only that, but fluid movement is also necessary. People don't stand perfectly still while they aren't talking, they shift, and breathe, and glance, and react, and do so under the effects of momentum mass and gravity. Also: Use non-linear interpolation curves(2).
4: Your VFX, backgrounds, and characters all need to blend and feel like they are in the same space. This show suffers from VFX just being slapped onto the camera as an overlay, completely disassociated to the rest of the scene, and it shows. Not only is it disassociated from the movement of the action, it is disassociate from the very style and aesthetic of the show: Smoke and fire effects are grainy and photorealistic, while the show is a super-high-contrast CEL-shaded style.
4.5: Understand basic compositing and framing. Rule of thirds, scene depth, character position, _keep your focus in the frame, and don't cut someone's face in half with the edge of the camera._ (3) Despite being focused in Live Action, the director seems to have forgotten this.
(1): Alan Becker's "12 Principles of Animation": ua-cam.com/video/uDqjIdI4bF4/v-deo.html
(2): Linear interpolation means the animation, say an arm movement, begins at speed, and ends instantly, both without acceleration. Use of non-linear interpolation (such as Bezier curves) allows for fluid acceleration and deceleration, allowing for realistic momentum and change in velocity. Royal Skies LLC's video on "Blender 2.83 : Everything About Interpolation in 2 Minutes" actually explains it pretty much perfectly if my explanation didn't make any sense: ua-cam.com/video/mOhG5eweDcE/v-deo.html
(3): DSLRGuide has a lot of videos on indie filmmaking, so his video on the subject is a good start: ua-cam.com/video/MfIanZimZR8/v-deo.html Live action, yes, but still useful information.
For that matter, body language, even in 3D models, matters. Shoulders that are completely straight and frozen don't show the warmth that someone close to you would show. It's also why facial expressions matter.
Imagine you're a mangaka, finally getying an anime adaptation and this is how it happened
I hope he don't suicide after that happened
The only anime where the manga had better animation
Don’t forget Berserk 2016\2017
Don’t forget kingdom
@ChaoticStarFish
DAYUM!
Don't forgot
@@noxturne16 arguably, you won't puke watching Berserk 2016/2017.
so basically Ex-arm is the anime equivalent of your grandma going "Oh you know stuff about computers, can you fix mine?"
except instead of just turning it off an on again you break it in half
Verge pc build
More like putting all the budget into choreography and not bothering at all with making the 3d CGI (you know, what the viewer ACTUALLY SEES lol) look any good.
The manga’s author: *created a good manga
Crunchyroll and the anime production team: “We’re about the end this man’s whole career.”
The author after seeing the anime: *Pikachu face
The translator who had to translate the script while paid with low wage: “Why am I still here, just to suffer”
literally every meme mention here is dead
@@apersonyouneverheardabouti8928 Not as dead as these models, though! *ba-dum-TISH* Thank you and good night
@@apersonyouneverheardabouti8928 killjoys like you: halt! You're having too much fun
I feel bad for everyone involved including the mangaka and the animators. I can tell they did the best they could but they just didn’t have the necessary knowledge on how to make good animations.
"Have you ever worked in anime before?"
"No"
"You're hired welcome to the Ex-Arm production team"
For some reason animation is always looked down on and dismissed by big wigs
It was probably a bunch of boomers in charge thinking oh animation is easy it requires no skill or specialisation so we don't need animators f them ect.
@@ahdhwjdue8362yes I noticed alot of Aristocratic Boomers and pompous Nobles from UK, dismiss Animation as a tool that anyone so low in status could pickup. The Western cartoon and Eastern Animation industry look down upon animators, and the animators mostly get blamed for the failed bureaucracy management. However, whilst in the Game Industry, Game Animators are paid reasonably well better than even Studio Gibli and A1 Pictures animators, 3D animators in the triple A game studios is in high demand. So yeah I suggest animators to look at the Games industry instead.
@@magnuscritikaleak5045 i personality recommend going indie and working with others (cough camilia curves)
Ummm... his line about, “understanding how a camera works”
Is it just me, or is that one of the most arrogant and asinine things I’ve heard from a director?
The behind-the-scenes and marketing of Ex-Arm is full of stuff like that. They declared war on sci-fi anime.
@@JoelBurger where is a video about the "behind the scenes" of this show?
I'm curious as well.
The camera in Anime works far, FAR different than one in live action, ESPECIALLY when it comes to incorporating 3DCG.
Yes, a director of Photography helps a lot when it comes to using 3DCG, as Orange and ufotable can attest to. But leaving one on their own will only result in a trainwreck like this.
Case in point, look at the fights in Majestic prince or the camera work in Heaven's feel, or, hell, Sunrise's Akito the Exiled.
All of them had different approaches to 3DCG, but they all understood that with animation in a 3-dimensional space, you can pull off shots that would be impossible in real life or intensely difficult with regular 2D.
No, I don't think so.
But it is up there.
So the problem wasn't just that he weren't experienced with animation...
he wasn't even experienced with film at all
gotta give him an A for confidence tho
but that is it.
The fact that the poster/advertising art is better than the actual show animation
There's bad show thats fun to watch but this, this hurts me physically.
I got second hand tuberculosis from the amount of smoke from the anime.
I vaguely remember them declaring war on scifi in their trailer; the fucking audacity. Feels bad for the author though.
Even halo at its current dying worst has done better
I'm impressed someone managed out out mismanage 343...
Me thinking of berserk after watching this:
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly"
Sis this whole show just sounds like a money laundering scheme 😭😭
I can't watch this unironically. The horribleness of it quickly loses its "charm" and what's left is just a janky, boring, badly animated show. There are better anime I rather watch.
Atleast I laughed my ass off with Abunai sisters
Yeah, I'll just read the manga if the story interests me
@@coranbaker6401 Yeah, the manga is better. Much better.
Like Handshakers.
That tells you how bad this is.
Honestly, this is one of the most spectacular hubristic car crashes in anime history. No one lower down in the production team is at fault, this is all management decisions that created this trash fire. God, I feel so sorry for the people who had to work on this, and struggle between laughing and holding my head in my hands at the cavalcade of hysterically bad decisions made by the management team.
i don't call that an anime, it's just bad moving 3D models
it looks like an amator 3D animation project
i have a friend who move 3D models better than them
Like 98% of the SFM porn videos on the internet are better quality than Ex-Arms.
@@MrToren01
Honestly, when I first saw the trailer for this, I didn't know it was originally a manga. And I expected it to at least have a RWBY-like feel. But looking at it now, I can't help but feel disgusted at the management team for this incompetence. The people they've made to work on this garbage are probably people with great talents on their respective fields and now they have to deal with having THIS follow them around for possibly the rest of their careers.
Out of topic, but can you tell me more of these "SFM porn"? Surprisingly not out of "interest", but I'm genuinely just curious.
Not really, its the anime industry in general that's been trying to pretend you can get away with shitty looking, PS2 tier CGI for far too long now. If they actually bothered making this look pretty, as in decent effects, lighting and character detalization and textures, it'd be watchable. And if they went just a little further, and bother animating/motion capturing scenes OUTSIDE fights and face motion rigging and animation, as well as fixing the movements in a lot of fast scenes by tying them to the 3d space more closely, it could even be great. But they cheaped out and/or put it all into choreography (which i don't really see being the case, can this shit really cost THAT much these days, when every friggin' bum can afford a PERSONAL, HOME MOTION CAPTURE setup!)... I just think the budget was abysmal and the little leeway they did have was burned by bad decisions.
Wow, what really fucks me up is how GOOD the life action stunt fights behind the scene look. Imagine if they actually managed to transfer that into animation.
Title "What Went Wrong With Cruncyroll's Ex-ARM"
my brain : Crunchyroll ?
Just remember how many times Canipa had to look at this while editing.
There are still glitches that I missed! Sometimes I'd post clips on Twitter and people would point things out and I'd be like... I've watched this dozens of times...
@@TheCanipaEffect don't worry, I am also going to cover these issues on my upcoming video.
how to torture yourself 101
Have to wonder what was going through someone's head at Crunchyroll when they hired someone without the basics knowledge of animation to make this anime.
They probably just threw money at it and called it a day.
@@luminousepoque8666 yeah probably like that
For how mediocre/almost crappy the God of High School adaptation was because of BS budgeting reasons and time management, it got lucky it went to MAPPA and got great animation.
I admire the fact that you did some research on the show and explain what went wrong, instead of only complaining that is bad. I really enjoyed this video. About Ex-Arm: At the beginning I thought that they wanted to do something similar to Ninja Slayer From Animation (that is a sort of parody of the manga and an intentional "so bad, so good", but I am unable to understand if it's the same for this show (this would explain why they have chosen
people that was not in the Anime production field), or for blissful ignorance everything went really wrong.
Houseki no Kuni: “i sense in the disturbance in the force”
It's legitimately impressive that the show looks worse than the first full CGI TV Show, ReBoot, by Mainframe Productions in 1994.
At least they had the excuse to be made nearly 30 years ago. This disaster? Common!
I miss reboot
Anime studio CGI has been stuck in the year 2000 for 20 years now as far as looks go, and i don't know why... Possibly cuz its a half monopoly with old farts on top (probably also the reason for more and more increasingly generic story anime and 90% of them being set in school, while 60% try mimic previous successes, usually failing)
@@mkzhero Studio Orange, Shirogumi, Polygon, Sanzigen... all studios who are fine with CGI in anime. Anime CGI is largely fine and you're honestly acting as if western animation doesn't suffer from these similar issues
@@scrapkingkeita3825 I mean it's true western 3D animation is usually showcased in products of infinitely higher quality. However it's mostly because famous western 3D animations are feature films with big budget, with everything being 3D including environment, Think Dreamworks. On the other hand,until very recently in japanese animation it was all about cost saving.
Personally while many 3D anime don't bother me, they have never been among my favorite, they can be great for other reasons but it completely kills any emotional impact from the animation.
Direct me toward a 3D anime scene with the same visual impact as every other dynamic scene from Princess Kaguya, March comes in like a Lion or Grimgar... I don't think you can.
3D works fine most of the time... but it severely limits the medium from the original crazy range of animation style classical animation provides.
When Beastars team was not available...
Crunchyroll: "Fine, we will do 3D anime ourselves!".
Me: "I want Studio Orange!"
Crunchyroll: "We have Studio Orange at home."
Studio Orange at home:
@@HaganeNoGijutsushi you mean studio banana because studio orange at home would of done better
Thanks for including the titles of the anime you featured in this video! Saved me a ton of time.
You should check out D4DJ's CGI! It's impressive and gives hope to the CGI anime community. It isn't Beastars, but it is pretty good!
Edit: oop i see the intro of it here nvm lmao
I'm a fan! We interviewed the director last year: ua-cam.com/video/3QEvVFxOS8c/v-deo.html
Canipa dropping F-bombs in he's videos now. This show really has broken him
Punished Canipa
@@TheCanipaEffect
*A Man Betrayed by Animation*
@@TheCanipaEffect Bro ,you have my huge respect can you please do a video about WIT studio's 2013 Attack on Titan ,many people need a video about WIT studio's hardwork .
His*
All of this tells me that they should've made a live action series instead of forcing this anime project. Like, think about: a live action director of action movies and shows, a live action studio and stunt coordinator, and a group of decent to great stunt actors? This sounds like it would've made for a decent sci-fi J-Drama if enough stuff was changed around and some suits were convinced to change it into a live action series instead. It would've been WAY more well received by comparison and Crunchyroll shows Tokusatsu and J-Dramas on their platform, so why not? Yeah, some stuff would have to be changed for a live action adaptation, but if you got people who've mostly worked on live action instead of animators, you might as well just make it a live action show.
“What went wrong with ex-arms?”
Me: that’s easy everybody involved in making it
Hopefully one day it will be rebooted as ex-arm brotherhood
This is the first time I've heard of this show and every shot of this show giving me an aneurysm
Please watch the first episode. It'll crack you up
I got second hand tuberculosis from the amount of smoke in the anime.
Seriously, it's like the execs looked at RWBY and collectively said, "How hard could it be?" a-la Jeremy Clarkson in Top Gear. What a trainwreck.
First time here; it's impressive how you broke down the positives & negatives. That stunt team was a joy to watch, I wish they just paid them to mess around instead of trying to make an anime with no experience.
Is there an official English dub of this? Can they give it a Ghost Stories treatment to 'fix' it if there isn't?
Yikes, makes me wonder when you'll do a video on how Lupin III was translated seamlessly from his iconic 2D roots to the beautiful CG seen in Lupin III: The First
I'd love to do something on Takashi Yamazaki's whole filmography. He's totally changing the face of 3D anime in Japan.
@@TheCanipaEffect Lupin the IIIrd review would be awesome
@@TheCanipaEffect It also be a cool chance to talk about Marza Animation Planet. You once mentioned you might do a video regarding them.
@@TheCanipaEffect at the very least do a video on the evolution of Lupin III in animation, especially since TMS announced that they got big plans for the 50th anniversary of the character's debut in animation, which would also include talking about the first film by animation legend, Hayao Miyazaki
This just makes me appreciate even more how much of an absolute badass Monty Oum was. With limited resources, and a relatively small group of friends, he created one of the most successful webseries of all time, and spawned a whole studio!
Except RWBY eventually took a nosedive on quality.
@@flipkiller8521 It took a while for them to get over the loss, but I think 6 onwards is at least as good as 1-3.
@@maverickmak
6-7 is so full of idiot ball moments. It kinda sucked.
@@flipkiller8521 Couldn't disagree more.
@Some characters aren't allowed Again, disagree. They've improved the visuals every year. Miles ahead of where they started. Its never gonna match some big budget anime, but they've found a style that works for them.
I'd quite like to see the recordings from when they were filming the stunts for the mocap. That would probably be pretty cool.
outstanding analysis, I really enjoyed this. It just shows how experience and teamwork, or the lack of, is just everything for any project to come to life
gold. They should release the live action footage.
I'd watch it!
And aot fan are complaining about cgi
You said it brother, all those who are complaining about AoT CGI need to check this out.
Congrats, Mappa did a better job than these jackasses. What a low bar to set.
Their CGI looked mostly fine but man, Ep6 looked like shit - the AT was so out of place and jarring, dear god. At least Ep7 somewhat remedied that.
Still would have looked better in 2D.
@@Hanfgurkenhasser if they did it in 2D we wouldnt even see the final season in 4 more years plus no studio would even want to animate all that in 2D. especially if you are up to date to the manga, would have been impossible. AOT is one of the best cgi out there, we are just not used to it yet.
The MAPPA cg move fluidly especially ep 1,7&8 (ep 6 is decent) but still better and still they act like they are expert of cg.
@@rambobun6683 The final season ironically enough ends at probably chapter 122, so all the CGI-heavy stuff would only come *after* that chapter. And I'd understand it there. We can only hope they make it into a movie with excellent budget and enough time.
We would not have to wait four years, but more than 8-10 months schedule would have helped tremendously.
A mix of CGI and 2D would have been a good compromise, as seen with the Jaw/Cart titan in Ep1. The Attack Titan in ep6 looked like garbage and that has nothing to do "not being used to it" - it has something to do with crunch time thanks to this stupid schedule.
Love the video, you made me open my eyes to the magic that happens behind the scenes when making an anime...its inspiring
Do you think we can get an animation spotlight on “Rise of the TMNT” the action is AMAZING.
Aa far as I know one of the few live action directors who could understand animation was zack snyder, who had a background as a traditional painter, he actually did two animated features: legend of the guardians and the 75th anniversary short of Superman
Holy crap I didn't know Snyder directed Legend of the Guardians. I actually enjoyed that film
"Meaning that any attempt at having them show emotion is kind of a bad idea."
If they did then it would be even scarier than the finished product.
I never thought an anime could have worse animation then Berserk 2016, and yet here we are.
About to watch it, wish me luck
*salutes*
9:59, the 2D here looks great, especially when placed next to one of the 3d models. Honestly looks expressive in comparison to the robots the main cast are.
I almost teared up when you put in the houseki no kuni clip because you starved me of so much animation I actually forgot good animation exists.
I love the amount of Pyscho-pass that was put in here. Honestly it's an anime that deserves a lot more attention and recognition
The real life stunt work was a thrill to watch at least.
They should've just released that instead of the show
Berserk 2016 is like "finally, I'm not the worst CGI animated anime anymore."
While its still bad Berserk was able to fix its most egregious moments in the blu ray release same with dragon ball super. If this trash fire somehow gets a blu ray release I'm actually curious as to what they can do to make it better.
Kinda still is, even with the fixes, the camerawork and its eternal shaking and zoom-ins at sub 30fps it makes you feel your eyes are being torn apart, which will ruin ANY show, even if good looking, which Berserk really isn't
Seeing your tweeting thoughts of the show, and having to go back and change the script of this video every week for three weeks was one of the most entertaining parts of January for me. Thanks for such an informative video!
His tweets were the perfect way to introduce this video.
God, I wonder if we're getting such treatment again.
I can't tell you how many times I rewatched at 5:39...they are skilled!
If I was the mangaka , I woud be rolling all over the floor crying myself to death