Did the Difficulty Patch Save Update 3? (Sonic Frontiers Patch 1.41)
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2024
- Today we're taking a look back at Patch Version 1.41 for Sonic Frontiers Update 3: The Final Horizon (or as I like to call it the "Difficulty Update/Patch" because of how it significantly nerfed the difficulty of Update 3) to see if it has improved the final DLC.
=== 🔗 Patch 1.41! ===
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TLDR; It definitely really helped, but there are still a lot more changes that I’d love to see in the future (if we get more patches)
Here are the links to the videos I referenced in this video:
✪ Sonic Overtime's Video - ua-cam.com/video/FAKESE3V1fI/v-deo.htmlsi=FwYdbDL5fr4zlMS3
✪ bickuribox12's Video- ua-cam.com/video/V871sf15feY/v-deo.htmlsi=x6WQVQB8Cv7-oLRy
Also, to elaborate on the points I made about the difficulty of the base game early on, it’s true that maybe not every player will have maxed out all of Sonic’s skills by the first two islands since you still get a lower amount of collectibles compared to the later islands, especially Ouranos Island, but that doesn’t change the fact that you still get more than enough to easily tackle a lot of the enemies on each island. Even on my first playthrough of the Titan fights, I never personally struggled in the slightest or needed to learn the specifics of their attacks up until the Master King Koco trial due to the introduction of a real parry (perfect parry) which forces you to actually parry to counter an attack instead of always holding it down. So the base game’s difficulty was always pretty easy, even on Hard (with Extreme mode being the exception) so I think that was definitely a major reason why the difficulty in Update 3 threw a lot of people off initially
Oh and I just remembered that this was in the script but I must have accidentally deleted it from the commentary but Tails needs a homing attack
I think this is it for Sonic Frontiers. Sonic Team is likely moving onto development for the next game by now. I hope we can get better from here. We can only go up, right?
I think so too. I think out of any Sonic game released after Sonic Generations though, I really want to see at least a few more patches to this one just because of how much more popular this game is than games like Lost World, Forces and Colors Ultimate
I think they are working on Sonic X Shadow Generations for the next game!
@@brickzoneanimations8395 no they're not, its a placeholder game while they work on the frontiers sequel, they have multiple teams for sonic now, they've restructured after the forces fiasco. what makes you think they're gonna completely abandon the open zone formula they stated would be the future of sonic for future adventure style games, just for a mere remake of an old game with a bit of added content? no, frontiers' sequel is likely in the works and won't come out for probably 1-2 years or later(similarly to how xenoblade games come out every 2 years, open world games take 2-5 years on average to make because of said open worlds) and likely has a separate dev team working on it, just like origins plus and superstars were separate dev teams. sonic generations may be developed in house at sonic team, but that doesn't mean its the same dev team at sonic team making it, wasting all their resources on that instead of the future frontiers style game. did monolithsoft make that mistake? no, they made breath of the wild and xenoblade 2 at the same time, spliting their devs into 2 teams, and they did the same thing for the other xenoblades and their dlcs and tears of the kingdom. sonic team is likely doing something similar.
@@brickzoneanimations8395 you sonic fans really need to research how game development works more. you all were also rushing frontiers when it wasn't out yet, not giving it time to be made when it was confirmed open zone when alot of us told you, for multiple years of the 5 year wait, that open world games take 2-5 years on average to make because of the open worlds. given that time needed to make a frontiers sequel, do you really think they're gonna waste all their resources on a mere generations remake with added content instead of spliting the dev teams? of course not.
@@infern24 chill out man, you didn't need to write an emotional dissertation just because the guy made a fallacious one-off comment
I'm just so glad to see how dedicated and open to feedback Sonic Team is. They really love their fans and try to give them the best product they can. Yes, at times their fixes are a bit too much (they need to learn how to fix stuff CORRECTLY), but these people are really giving them all into the IP.
Sonic Origins:
@@rabadoo They fixed the few glitches in Sonic 3&K, removed roll-locking in Sonic 1 and 2 and a few other stuff.
@@roiitzkovich4545 scammed players who bought the game before plus dlc by lowering the price by 10 bucks
Great video man, hopefully you make more retrospectives in the future because I really enjoyed this 👍
i kinda liked final horizons and superstars having a challenge it makes the games a little more memorable
As someone who loves to put myself through rage inducing challenge all the time for achievements/trophies, agreed lol but I do think that the type of challenge that gets added in needs to be carefully thought about to avoid making it feel unfair
Superstars difficulty will be memorable for being very annoying and not for the good reasons...
Atleast frontiers is more fun and enjoyable
We’ll update 3 just put easy mode if you struggle
But superstars trips story is mandatory😢
They should've added a way to decrease your strengh, defence and ring capacity in the options menu or make a Corrupted coco that can do that... for the regular islands, the dlc island is good
I agree.
Wow I'm glad to see my favorite non-commentary sonic modding channel covering the update 3 patch! 🥰
I’m glad to see my favorite Forces fan supporting the content 🫡
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This is very helpful! Thank you!
I really hope they at least let us use a toggle to re-activate the old damage from the characters, I found it fun. And there was a huge difference between lvl1 and 99 before the patch so extreme isn't an option, especialy with the 1-shot mechanic. I don't get why every single change made can be denied by players who don't want it, like the way you can de activate the jukebox or dramatic camera removal, or the cyberspace powerboost, heck, you can even ignore the Final Horizon if you don't like it. But a change that hundreds of players dislike? Why don't we have the choice? A simple toggle can fix it all.
Normally, if a new update releases, after SEGA's releases schedule, it would release between the 7th of March to the 28th. If not, it's gonna be in Fall.
Thanks for reading, I hope you understand what I mean (I can show some videos even) :)
Same.
I hope we get a sonic frontiers 2
I'm still stuck on Master King Coco because you can't change the difficulty on Extreme mode. On Extreme mode if you miss perfect parry and get hit you have to restart the entire challenge.
There’s a way to cheese at least parts of it. If you hold the left bumper down while flying as Super Sonic in the Wyvern fight, for some reason you become immune to any incoming attacks including missiles or Wyvern’s swipes. You still have to get the perfect parries in if you wanna progress though. Got a video on my channel going through it on Extreme. Good luck man!
The DLC3 was awesome. Only the Master Koco's Trial was too hard. Eventually, it was made easier with patch 1.41.
I hope for another 1.0 update were they give u the option to turn off the drop dash because sometimes it can mess up my run (along with others) especially on the towers. And Tails,Knuckles, and Amy are playable in the other 3 islands. And giving Tails a homing attack especially, and lastly jukebox enable with more music options please!
The character leveling is still an incredible over correction, sure there are ways to work around it, but this is no different from the Pokémon argument of “just play with a certain set of rules to have a challenge” instead of actual balance.
The characters in update 3 have beyond powerful attacks starting as low as level 25 which isn’t hard to get, especially with what you mentioned, the “Starfall+” events. Let’s not forget Sonic wasn’t changed in anyway with this patch, so now he feels underpowered in comparison. Player handicaps are in no way comparable to actual difficulty balancing.
Extreme difficulty is also not readily available, and saying that someone should have to go out of their way to play in another mode that completely ignores difficulty balancing, because they want proper balancing ignores the issue entirely. Extreme difficulty stops you from leveling up at all, meaning you would be better off telling someone to just not level up, and sure that’s a way to have difficulty, but then again so is telling them they can’t use the Cyloop, it isn’t an argument for balancing. It doesn’t solve the problem, nor does leaving things in the state that they are in. This patch only creates more issues than it solved, and we don’t even know if they plan on giving us another one in the future. For all we know, this is it. Hopefully they give us at least one more patch and try to fix the remaining problems, from the balance to Tails’ flight also having a delay, but only time will tell on that front.
All good points! First off, I wanted to thank you for the comment!
I think with how extremely generous Starfall+ is with the number of Red Seeds of Power that it grants players within just one night (at least from my personal experience) I was able to get to max attack stats within just two nights. I think the better fix would have definitely been to adjust the number of seeds and koco you get per Starfall and then adjust the attack stats to more accurately reflect each level while adjusting Sonic’s stats in the process. Funny enough, theoretically a player could still just cyloop over and over again to continue to farm seeds without putting in any effort after that, even if it would take far more time. Since that’s what we didn’t end up getting though, I think this is a good compromise. Admittedly, it is also a little difficult for me to accurately gauge just how difficult for example islands like Ouranos were in the base game after usually always reaching there with max attack stats and never having a hard time with the guardians due to my skill at the game. In terms of Titans, Supreme was always very easy. As for guardians, they too weren’t much of a challenge, especially with moves like performing a quick cyloop on a Tower’s head to deal insane damage & save so much time or being able to hold down a parry negating any form of challenge from Master Ninja. Cyloops dealing massive damage also affects guardians in The Final Horizon such as Spider+. I recall that the cross slash also has wildly powerful attack damage output. Overall there are already so many inconsistencies with attack stats, level progression and skill progression that I’m just glad we ended up with actually defeatable guardians now as opposed to damn near unstoppable ones. Keep in mind that Insanely large health bars don’t necessarily equal challenge either. They can be tedious and drag out fights longer than they need to if you already know what you’re doing. And sure, Extreme difficulty isn’t readily available, but surely if you seek out challenge you would have that unlocked right? Just my thoughts. Again, appreciate the comment! It’s fun to get discussions like these started.
Amazing video. Your suggestion is a good idea. That would be helpful.
SonicTuber Influencers: The Parry needs to be nerfed! The game needs to be harder! I don't care what other gamers say. The only opinion that matters is *mine* because I want *more.* And if you disagree with me, you have skill issues.
I love Sonic Frontiers because I'm a casual gamer looking for a fun time. The last thing I want is to be frustrated during my escapism. And it's even more frustrating being talked down to by an influencer looking for a challenge.
There two things I agree with the most in this review: If the character is at MAX level, the player *should* be overpowered. And if players want more of a serious challenge, simply play the game on *Extreme Mode.*
To answer your question, yes, this patch did save this DLC. Playing as Sonic's friends was fun. But before this patch, those towers were hell. I was rage happy when I finally made it to the top of the second tower and the game froze on me after the cutscene. All of my hard work was undone when I respawned at the bottom of the tower.
I completely agree, as someone who loves sonic mostly casually, the pre-patch boss rush was almost too much for me. When looking up tips and help, seeing people just go "SKILL ISSUE XDDDD" or "Shut up and get better" was just infuriating >:(
And yeah, difficulty modes are extremely important, letting both people who aren't good at games, decently, and the ones who're cracked out of their minds and wanting to face the first boss for 8 hours to finally beat them, all able to play with the challenge they want. I'm in here for fun sonic game and lore!! Not to bash my head against a wall @_@
Even though it’s unlikely, I really hope they add Toggleable Super Sonic to Free Roam for those who finished the Game similar to the Mods. It would be so awesome, then Toggeable Super Sonic 2 or Cyber Super Sonic or when you finish the Extra Story.
That would have been amazing I agree!
I will say, a lot of the smaller issues you listed at the tail end of the video can be super easily fixed with the PC version and code mods! Very simple check box stuff.
True! Best part of playing on PC for sure
This video was great, you essentially got all of the things I wanna see get changed if frontiers does get another patch (really hoping it does) The only thing I would love to see in a new patch are all characters being playable on every island. I know they are super janky but honestly I think it would add a lot of replay value and maybe even encourage people to go for 100% with them being able to use different character abilities to grab the memory tokens easier
Thank you! I agree! Wanted to mention this incase you may not have known as well. If you’re playing on PC, you can swap characters on any island on the fly with Hedgemod Manager codes!
The balloons were already there in the original update 3 release on easy difficulty I completed the update in this way before the patch.
I actually just got past the Master King Koco trial a few days ago (on Hard difficulty), so now the only thing left for that game is to beat the final boss!
...And start the entire game over on Extreme, but I don't feel the need to start another playthrough right away.
Oddly enough, I never had a problem with the "second swipe" from Wyvern... I think I just lucked into the right timing the first time, and replicated it every other attempt. No, it's every _other_ attack that was a pain to Perfect Parry, _especially_ the tail-swipes. I probably would've failed my first "real" run past him if I wasn't told about the "dodge around Knight's shield" trick, I didn't do well with the "shield piloting" segment during the first fight or the Battle Rush, but that trick eliminates it. Not that I feel like I "cheated" or anything, the last boss will outright _require_ that same technique after all.
Considering how much trouble I had with Wyvern specifically though, I seriously doubt I'd ever have beaten that Trial pre-patch.
Great work! Glad you were able to get past it recently. That’s fair that the second swipe didn’t bother you since I can definitely understand that a lot more than some of the other attacks. The reason I highlighted it was to emphasize the strange timing which can also be applied to other annoying attacks like the incredibly poorly choreographed tail swipes as you had mentioned. Good luck on Extreme difficulty when you get around to it! You’ll definitely need it haha. Thanks for watching the video btw
Did you know the birthday island theme and costumes don't work in final horizons?
They should tweek the bugged damage numbers for everyone except sonic, do it for like 100 damage per attack cuz this is just way too overkill😅
The level 25 on easy mode kinda ruined it cause it was better at level 1
Play on normal, hard, or extreme then
@@tayamikaokwudire8039 ok but it doesn't feel the same
Is just for players who struggles.
Look at Donkey Kong Country or Rayman for how characters both wind up moves while simultainiously starting instantly
Exactly
First
implying id ever replay it within this decade
Nope, I still think the game is boring. 😴
He's not talking about the whole game but if so your opinion
bro defo only plays fortnite 😭