Karl you have helped me find the best entry level equipment for sim racing and I am constantly looking forward to your reviews. Keep up the great work and congratulations on your sponsors and accomplishments
I’m new to your videos Karl, I’ve been waiting for this loadcell kit for a while! Great review, comprehensive and concise info covering everything that I wanted/needed to know. Thank you very much! 👍🏻
Thank you for the review Karl. The time has finally come! I was basically waiting on your thoughts of this pedal to know wether to get it or not on black friday. Got the alarm set already!
It's wild how different review units are vs retail in terms of pedal travel. Mine has around 1cm max travel and I feel like I'm about to snap the pedal to even reach that. It's tough to modulate with so little travel.
Mine is also very hard mate, I'm applying a lot of force in this video.... some people actually find it easier to modulate pressure based rather than travel, thats kind of how LC pedals are designed, take a look at the Asetek ones for example.
I got the load cell kit and felt it was very stiff with hardly any movement. I'm 94KG. When with the 3DRap 1 x linear + 1 x progressive set up and it feels much better
I just upgraded to load cell brakes ...amazing difference. My only mistake was not buying the real expensive brand. I'm VERY satisfied & impressed with the set I have ...but it makes me want to try the high end equipment.
@@sixx1095 I bought the Thrustmaster set & it is not the quality or ANYTHING to do with that brand. I like them & they made a tremendous difference in ACC. The reason I'd like to upgrade is I'm hoping a set from the extreme high end of the scale ...would make me better yet. That will have to wait ...& I'll certainly enjoy using this set ...they're great. Previous pedals were what came with the TS-XW Racer ...with the Sparco wheel. I've only been into this for a year ...so I've started with modest equipment ...but this hobby is wild fun ...& well worth moving up into "Pro" equipment.
@@MsTheCops nice. I had the Tlcm, I agree that they are good but there’s space to improve. Try go back to non Load cell pedal after you got used to the Load cell, the non load cell becomes undrivable now, Lol
@@MsTheCops how is the ts-xw racer been working out for you? You feel like you missing out on something since its not DD? Thanks if you do provide any feedback.
@@marionelsonmedeiros3878 I've never experienced a DD wheel. Mostly due my area ...I live in an area where even my modest setup is a rare expense ...so I don't get to try this stuff before I buy. However; a DD wheel is going to be my next upgrade. Again ...the racing end & equipment is new to me ...I had a wild computer built to accommodate MSFS 2020 ...I'm also into Flight Simming. But I found ACC & it completely blew me away so I've invested in the Thrustmaster (after a Logitech G920 setup) & it is a wonderful upgrade & the Load Cell pedals are 100% ...no comparison really. But I can't wait to get a DD wheel! thanks for asking Mario
Thanks for the video Karl. Just set up my Load Cell pedal last evening. I feel like i made a horrible purchase. The movement is so little and every review sided with my opinion. You have given me hope. Will keep at it. I am struggling but will try. Anyone else feeling the same?
They are intended to have only a small amount of travel (seems to be the preferred and most consistent form of braking in sim) but it does break in and get softer after a while.
Karl, Many thanks for all of the valuable reviews, advice, and tips you've provided, especially for sim racing, and VR setups (routers and virtual desktop videos were gold!). Does the load cell kit come with the PU insert to convert the pressure feel of the existing brake pedal of the CSL pedals into a clutch pedal? I don't want to purchase the clutch kit if i dont actually need to, if i purchase the load cell brake pedal.
The standard brake pedal already has a PU insert mate, you can take this out if you want to use it as a clutch so no you do not need to buy another pedal.
If you use a rolling office chair, with the pedals firmly affixed to a stationary position, 30% is about the maximum you'll be able to do without rolling away.
@@bluej511 agreed. I just got little grippy cup things from the hardware store that are to go under furniture. One on each wheel and I don’t move at all, even with the pedal resistance right up. Now the larger problem is the top part of the chair flexing, but it’s not a huge deal.
Another thing I wondered is if the software adjustments have been updated from the old elites. I have the old elites and they're descent pedals but I found the software somewhat lacking. You can only adjust the load cell pressure in increments of 10. In comparison the T-LCM's I picked can be adjusted from 1 - 100, dead zones, and full range brake force adjustability
Great review, as usual. I just purchased the DD PRO and loacell for my PS5. I think I might get the Wheelstand 2 DD from NLR after your comments about possible flex with my GT Lite.
I assume you might've already bought a new frame but with 40 bucks you can make the fgt and gt lite frames super rigid. I can tell you how if you'd like.
@@Paulo-py4mm hey Paul. Had an GT Lite rig for a while now. I bought the DD Pro a little while back. You are right. Stable as a rock with little effort. In my case, just a ratchet tie down strap.
I got a new one for you. I never sim raced anything and looked at numerous UA-cam reviews so I ordered the Logitech G920 think oh I will save a few bucks and could not see myself paying for Fanatec nothing. Well after using the Logitech for a few days after downloading ACC I was like wow what would it be using Fanatec I bet GREAT. The G920 is alright but I felt something was missing and yep I just ordered today the CSL 3 Pedal Kit. I still am suprised at myself and I am not rich by any means but off to the rabbit hole I go. I will buy the Mclaren GT3 V2 Wheel next cause I think it going to be gone soon to low of a price for Fantec to keep selling all the time. Once I can afford to get everything I will be listing the Logitech 920 on Ebay to try and recoup some money back. Plus do not get me started since I purchased a Logitech shifter and mount locally, Playseat Challenge from Ireland, stability aftermarket kit for the Playseat from England however, I live in the USA. The topper is I brought a MVH Studios F1 Wheel which is going to be mailed to me in about a week. The pain I feel is real right now.
I recently got myself the standard pedal set with throttle and the brake with the foam. The brake needs a good bit of pressure and now hearing the big difference to the loadcell scares me xD
I think Fanatec nailed it with the load cell. The only question I really have is, can you tamper with the elastomers at all? How difficult would it be to remove them and install something different. I'd like to see a break mod or two for this.
Karl, as always a spot on valuable review. You’re the first person I go to for equipment reviews. Can you tell me what rig setup you were using when testing the csl load cell pedals? It looked like you were using a csl dd wheel base as well. That’s what I’m looking to go to. Thanks Karl!
It's weird I went from just the regular CSL pedal set to now this loadcell, which is my first loadcell..it's it strange that it's taking me some getting used to? I find myself struggling making the transition..any and all opinions GREATLY appreciated because I'm struggling
@@KarlGosling Yeah had time to mess around with it today here, starting to retrain my brain and just work on consistency. It's crazy I have it on 30% and that seems alright lol I tried 100 there was no way that was happening, I hear people say 80 and it's like what no chance lol
Another great review video! Have the CSL pedal kit ordered and plan to grab the load cell when it's released. I saw the "Pedals tuning kit" which is the black metal pedals. Is there any additional grip or friction to these or is it purely aesthetic?
Another solid video mate with all the key bits of information needed. I must ask though if you by any chance compared the 'two clutch pedals' so the original 'clutch kit' with the break without the sponge 'clutch'? Also as I side not if I already have the CSL pedals do you think its worth buying the load cell kit not to tide me over to an eventually getting V3s or just wait and get V3s( iv since convinced myself I to getting V3s during the wait for thr CSL loadcell)
Original brake pedal is just the clutch with the sponge insert. Thats up to you mate, V3's are all round better pedals but the CSL's with LC are great for the money.
@karl would be great if you could actually do a comparison in regards to the previous csl elite pedal set with load cell....I know the main difference is the switch from potentiometer to hall effect sensors but to my understanding its a longevity difference. The original version of the csl elite pedal set/ load cell was more expensive and had metal foot plates ( not removable) , the load cell was adjustable and max was 90kg , so the actual older version seem better though I only have the older and have not tried the newer version .
Karl, thanks so much for the review. I just have one question: I play on a desk and a chair, could it be that the power needed to press the load cell pedal is too much to keep the chair in place? Because it would be a shame if I pay 140€ for a brilliant pedal that I can actually not really use while the clutch kit only costs 30€
Since I heard about load cell brakepedals, I've tried to see if a brakepedal really works this way in a real car, cause I have never driven a car where the brakepedal gets stiff, and then you push more force into it? Since we lack the g-forces in simulators its hard to tell how much you are braking, so it would be awesome if we got some feedback from the pedal instead, like rumble when the ABS kicks in. But I am thinking I might be wrong, so I think to buy this one, since its the cheapest ive found :) but I actually have some loadcells laying around, and amplifiers for these, so I might throw something togheter with a usb-controller to see if I can make my own first.
I’ve just set up my load cell pedal and find that I’m literally standing on the pedal just to make it move 1-2cm in shoes yet I see your travel is greater and your in socks. Is this a m
This looks great! Is the "bundle price" you mentioned of both the CSL pedals + load cell kit for $199 the black friday price, or is that going to be the standard price? If it's not the standard, how much will the bundle cost normally?
@@DomB_Fanatec Hey Dom, does the load cell kit come with the PU insert to convert the pressure feel of the existing brake pedal of the CSL pedals into a clutch pedal?
@@cruzters I'm a bit confused by the question. The Load Cell Kit replaces the standard brake pedal. The standard brake pedal can then be used as the clutch, and therefore we recommend that the foam piece is removed, to make it feel more like a clutch.
@@DomB_Fanatec sorry for the confusion, im a fanatec newbie. I ordered the csl dd, wrc csl elite wheel, clubsport shifter, csl pedals, and csl clutch kit. But i dont expect it to arrive until jan 3rd. If i want to get the load cell brake kit, should i cancel my order of the csl pedal clutch kit? (Thats assuming that the csl load cell brake kit will be available here in the US as well before the end of 2021)
Do you think these pedals are too strong for a foldable rig like f gt-lite cockpit? Thinking of upgrading but don't want my rig to lift. Thanks, great videos as always.
If you are referring to the previous csl elite pedal set then no as the mounting part is different, on the new version it's flat and uses 4 screws where the older version the mounting on the pedals pertrude up and slot into the base and only use 2 screws .
Karl may I ask how you mounted these pedals to the GT Omega Titan rig? I have the same one and there doesn't seem to be an option for additional fixation points towards the back of the pedal plate. Just the two holes in the front. This as you might imagine causes the pedals not to sit flush against it and flex slightly under pressure. Did you drill additional holes in the pedals in the back? Thanks in advance ;)
Thinking of getting the Next Level wheel stand 2.0 and was curious about the load cell as well. Do you think this would be to much for the wheel stand to handle?
NLR make one for direct drives. I am pretty sure I'll get one. It's not foldable tho like the standard version. Karl has done a great review of the foldable
Hey Karl, do you think that the plastic pedals hold them back a bit for someone who races with grippy socks? I absolutely love the metal pedal faces but €40 is definitely a considerable amount of money to pay for something that’s just aesthetics and a bit better of a feel. I’d like your proper recommendation because I’d get them of you think they make €40 of a difference!
@@KarlGosling Yeah, they certainly look cool haha. I was aware they actually make little difference performance wise but I was wondering if the comfort of them or anything improves the overall experience! Thanks for replying!
Do you think the V3s are worth almost twice the price? Clutch feel doesn't matter too much, but is the throttle on the V3 significantly better? Easier to modulate?
Once again your review are almost tailored to my gaming needs lol. I have a particular situation. I recently bought a second hand TLCM pedal a week ago. Than just two days avoir, I bought a CSL DD kit that came with the CSL Pedals including the clutch. I left them in their box in case I decide to keep the TLCM and sell them. However, now that the load cell upgrade is released, I wonder if I should get it and sell the TLCM instead. What would be your thoughts? The TLCM have 90kg of force and these ones have 60. However everything else seems to favor the Fanatec. How different do you find the acceleration pedal between the two? Is the CSL one even lighter than the TLCM? It seems that on every other aspect the CSL are better then the TLCM. Am I mistaken?
I'm not Karl and I'm far from an expert, but I have been researching this a lot in the last little bit and it's important to note that the kg rating of the load cell isn't the force at the pedal. Particularly if you look at boosted media's hour long csl load cell video, they show how they can depress the tlcm 100kg load cell by hand but obviously with this csl 60kg one you can't From everything I've seen these pedals look very good and sturdy, hard to say what to do with you already having the tlcms though. Good luck in your decision!
@@supermeperson thank you for taking the time to answer! I also watched the Boosted Media hour long video lol. Also Karl just released a video comparing exactly these two models. My latest research convinced me of not keeping the TLCM. However, now I am wondering if I should just sell both and get the V3 instead. I guess it is the plight of the sim racer, always looking for thr possibility of an even higher upgrade lol
Hey Karl thanks for the great reviews. I have that same Titan cockpit with my G29 mounted to it (waiting for the DD to show up). How did you mount the pedals to the bottom like that? It looks way more comfortable than using the pedal tray. Did you have to drill it?
I just preordered a CSL DD, CSL pedals(2) and the Clubsport RS wheel a few days ago. Wanted to order the Load Cell kit but I plan on mounting everything on my Playseat Challange as I cannot have a full on 8020 rig at my tiny man cave:) Was wondering if Playseat Challange would be able to handle the LC or I should just stick with the regular CSL pedal set.
Another question on the mounting of the CSL pedals to the Titan without using the tray if you don’t mind? I’m looking at doing the same but on measuring up it seems the front two holes I’d need to drill are almost directly over the two supports welded to the underneath of the Titan plate. Did you find the same and if so how did you get round it? 14:33 Your reviews have been invaluable in helping me select and buy my first setup, which is exactly what you’re using here - thanks!
Thanks for your great review once again. In the video subject it mentions fanatec discount codes, but i can´t find them? I´ll be ordering a bunch of Fanatec stuff tmrw and is there a way to put in your reference in while ordering so you might get something, as it is because of your objective reviews i got convinced.
The discount is for black Friday so the prices should just be lower. If you click my link in the description that's affiliated so I'll get a few quid, thanks mate! 🙂
Hi Karl. Thanks for the review, do they bolt straight to the omega prime? I may be wrong but I think I’m hearing people having trouble with aligning the mounting bolt holes… Cheers
my load cell pedal fried my throttle pedal... it also has about 1/4 the travel compared to the one reviewed here. Still waiting on a response from fanatec 5 days later. apparently lots of people are having the same issue. Im now stuck with no pedals and no answer from fanatec.
bro i love your video i have alway love sim racing but now im getting into more and more i got my logitech g29 but my deskwasnt ready for it lol. i now have my g29 and a gt omega prime was better plus i figure when i upgrade the cockpit will be last years
Hey mate greetings from Australia! I noticed you mouted the pedals directly on the floor plate not the pedal tray stand?? Im having mouting issues with hole placements with these pedals. I can only use the holes directly on the pedals at the front of the pecals and on an angle if i want the clutch side locked in.. its lifting from the front since i cant use the mounting holes at the front the pedals.. Did you make a custom plate?
@@momorious thanks mate - gutted really as I got the CSL elites as they were better than the CSL pedals, if that makes sense. I haven't received them yet so will send them back.
I got the CSL Elite LC but i'm not so happy with the brake. The brown elastomere is too smooth and it makes the braking not optimal from my point of view. Do you think i should switch to this one ? Or make the move to the V3 ?
Thanks for the review. A friend of mine gave me csl pedal with load cell so i try it in my rig and i like the brake but the course its like 2 3cm its too short for me i would like to have a litle more range, is anything i can do? Thanks
Hi I have that LC brake. My pedal is glitching, so when I'm not applying any input the pedal is flickering slightly and is extremely annoying. Is there a way to fix this? Maybe a update or something as I havent updated any firmware. But if any1 can help me it would be greatly appreciated
I already have the CSL Pedals and the Clutch kit... do you really see a reason to buy the CSL load cell? is it worth $140 euro ($200 cad, shipped). Many thanks for the review!
My lc barely moves at all, it's unusable. I have to stand on the pedal with both feet to get 100% and have set the brake force down to 0. I'm thinking about sending it back, I hate it.
Will I be able to fit the new csl load cell kit to the old cls elite pedals? The all black ones. Or will the new csl load cell kit only fit the new csl pedals?
I’m just thinking if I should buy the csl with LC or the V3. I’m not sure if the LC from the CSL is too hard for me. Can you adjust the V3 more easily?
Karl, which racing rig are you using with the Fanatec CSLDD? I have mine mounted on the playseat evolution but I'm finding that it's not really sturdy enough. I'd like to add the load cell brake but I think that would make the whole thing worse. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Are people frying their throttle peddle because they are not wiring correctly? I noticed you said that the wire will exit the load cell to the base/pc instead of the throttle. If this is a fanatec issue and not operator issue you would think fanatec would address this.
Nice review. I will order it on friday with tuning métal, but one question , Can I use the actual brake pedal as clutch when I install thé load cell as brake ? Or do In need to buy clutch as well ? Thanks
You can indeed use the standard brake as the clutch pedal (you can remove the foam damper to make it feel more like a clutch). If you buy the Load Cell Kit, you do not need to buy the Clutch Kit.
What playseat/rim are you using in the Video? Just curious about the name and Cost of it. Im rockig a playseat challenge with a thrustmaster setup. But Im thinking about switching to fanatec and ur setup looks more comfortable
Hi Karl, I just bought CSL LOADCELL pedals and brake pedal travel is not even close to yours. It barely moves. I tried to use my body weight to reach %100 brake with %100 brake force and it only went up to around %60. How is this possible? and in a normal scenario, I can only use it with %30 brake force since I do not have a cocpit. Do you think %30 brake force is enough to use a loadcell pedal? I am only playing F1 games.
@@KarlGosling Thank you for reply. Yesterday I was only be able to play at %30 braking force. Now, I made a wood plate to mount the pedals. I will give a try tonight.
Hi Tim, I guess you are referring to the auto calibration that the standard CSL Pedals need to do on each startup (i.e. you have to push through the full travel of each axis once to set the range). With the CSL Pedals Load Cell Kit, you are upgrading the entire electronics of the pedals, meaning that manual calibration of each axis is possible. These values are saved directly to the pedals internal memory, and therefore the pedal min and max values are immediately applied when you power up the base. This is an undervalued feature - when I switch back to standard CSL Pedals for testing I always forget about the required auto calibration and end up locking my brakes at the first corner :D
@@DomB_Fanatec Oh man! Finally someone that doesn't think i'm nuts. YES! That is exactly the issue. I assumed the LC would be the solution, and thank you for confirming. Now I can hop in a car and not unexpectedly slide through T1 during my out-lap. Thanks Dom!
Do you still have these that I could buy? I was going to get these but they’re out on fanatec until March and I would have to pay like £310 for V3s because of VAT
Hi there it dose say which I am very very confused about saying ( Don't connect the RJ12 cable and the USB cable at the same time ) As being a slow learner myself I am worried I might damage the setup as I don't understand what they mean Can you be of any guidance for what they mean Many thanks
Hi Karl, Thanks for the review. I am using T3PA pedals at the moment. I am only playing F1 game and since T3PA has a lot of travel; I have doubts to buy CSL LOADCELL since the travel distance is very little. I don't have cocpit, I am putting the pedals against the wall so I wonder since T-LCM has longer travel zone and ligher spring, should I choose T-LCM? I am not sure If I can modulate Fanatec in F1 game... Thanks for the help in advance
Karl you have helped me find the best entry level equipment for sim racing and I am constantly looking forward to your reviews. Keep up the great work and congratulations on your sponsors and accomplishments
Very kind words mate thanks!
Same here! Karl has been very helpful. What did you end up getting?
Karl is too legendary. Great content, honest, very informative and unbiased
And a very dry sense of humour!
I’m new to your videos Karl, I’ve been waiting for this loadcell kit for a while!
Great review, comprehensive and concise info covering everything that I wanted/needed to know.
Thank you very much! 👍🏻
Welcome aboard mate! :)
love your reviews! straight to the point and no bs
Cheers!
Because of your review, I'll be getting this upgrade for my CSL set, thanks man
Enjoy mate! :)
Glad I found your channel. You and SimRacing604 are probably the best simtubers out there.
Very kind of you mate thanks!
Just bought the DD Pro, WRC rim and the CSL LC pedal set - can't wait for it all to arrive!
Nice!
Thank you for the update, i already have the new fanatec csl pedals minus the load cell which i'll get next month.
Thanks for this. You answered the question I had about whether or not the hardness or stiffness of the pedal feel can be adjusted.
I'm saving up for my first rig and honestly your channel has been a god send. Thank you so much 👍
Happy to help!
Thank you for the review Karl. The time has finally come! I was basically waiting on your thoughts of this pedal to know wether to get it or not on black friday. Got the alarm set already!
It's decent mate! :)
Great video! Thanks for answering my question about how far the cables would reach - really appreciate it!
No worries!
It's wild how different review units are vs retail in terms of pedal travel. Mine has around 1cm max travel and I feel like I'm about to snap the pedal to even reach that. It's tough to modulate with so little travel.
Mine is also very hard mate, I'm applying a lot of force in this video.... some people actually find it easier to modulate pressure based rather than travel, thats kind of how LC pedals are designed, take a look at the Asetek ones for example.
I got the load cell kit and felt it was very stiff with hardly any movement. I'm 94KG. When with the 3DRap 1 x linear + 1 x progressive set up and it feels much better
yea i got that hardly moves at all like u dont know if ur pressing it
I just upgraded to load cell brakes ...amazing difference. My only mistake was not buying the real expensive brand. I'm VERY satisfied & impressed with the set I have ...but it makes me want to try the high end equipment.
What did you get and what do you want to upgrade to already?
@@sixx1095 I bought the Thrustmaster set & it is not the quality or ANYTHING to do with that brand. I like them & they made a tremendous difference in ACC.
The reason I'd like to upgrade is I'm hoping a set from the extreme high end of the scale ...would make me better yet. That will have to wait ...& I'll certainly enjoy using this set ...they're great. Previous pedals were what came with the TS-XW Racer ...with the Sparco wheel. I've only been into this for a year ...so I've started with modest equipment ...but
this hobby is wild fun ...& well worth moving up into "Pro" equipment.
@@MsTheCops nice. I had the Tlcm, I agree that they are good but there’s space to improve. Try go back to non Load cell pedal after you got used to the Load cell, the non load cell becomes undrivable now, Lol
@@MsTheCops how is the ts-xw racer been working out for you? You feel like you missing out on something since its not DD? Thanks if you do provide any feedback.
@@marionelsonmedeiros3878 I've never experienced a DD wheel. Mostly due my area ...I live in an area where even my modest setup is a rare expense ...so I don't get to try this stuff before I buy. However; a DD wheel is going to be my next upgrade. Again ...the racing end & equipment is new to me ...I had a wild computer built to accommodate MSFS 2020 ...I'm also into Flight Simming. But I found ACC & it completely blew me away so I've invested in the Thrustmaster (after a Logitech G920 setup) & it is a wonderful upgrade
& the Load Cell pedals are 100% ...no comparison really. But I can't wait to get a DD wheel! thanks for asking Mario
Nice review, Karl. Lots of good info without too much technical mumbo-jumbo. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks! 👍
Thanks for the video Karl. Just set up my Load Cell pedal last evening. I feel like i made a horrible purchase. The movement is so little and every review sided with my opinion. You have given me hope. Will keep at it. I am struggling but will try. Anyone else feeling the same?
They are intended to have only a small amount of travel (seems to be the preferred and most consistent form of braking in sim) but it does break in and get softer after a while.
Karl, Many thanks for all of the valuable reviews, advice, and tips you've provided, especially for sim racing, and VR setups (routers and virtual desktop videos were gold!).
Does the load cell kit come with the PU insert to convert the pressure feel of the existing brake pedal of the CSL pedals into a clutch pedal? I don't want to purchase the clutch kit if i dont actually need to, if i purchase the load cell brake pedal.
The standard brake pedal already has a PU insert mate, you can take this out if you want to use it as a clutch so no you do not need to buy another pedal.
i was going to ask the same question i wanna get the pedals then upgrade to load cell later
If you use a rolling office chair, with the pedals firmly affixed to a stationary position, 30% is about the maximum you'll be able to do without rolling away.
It's why I bought pegs for my chair, no more wheels and doesn't move.
@@bluej511 agreed. I just got little grippy cup things from the hardware store that are to go under furniture. One on each wheel and I don’t move at all, even with the pedal resistance right up.
Now the larger problem is the top part of the chair flexing, but it’s not a huge deal.
Karl delivers great review as always! 👌🏼 Keep doing it mate 👀
Thanks mate! :)
Thank you Karl... The load cell will be mine next Nov 26th!!!!
Great review as always Karl
Another thing I wondered is if the software adjustments have been updated from the old elites. I have the old elites and they're descent pedals but I found the software somewhat lacking. You can only adjust the load cell pressure in increments of 10. In comparison the T-LCM's I picked can be adjusted from 1 - 100, dead zones, and full range brake force adjustability
Good detailed video, you take your time to explain every bit. Keep them coming man!
Appreciate it!
Great review, as usual. I just purchased the DD PRO and loacell for my PS5.
I think I might get the Wheelstand 2 DD from NLR after your comments about possible flex with my GT Lite.
I assume you might've already bought a new frame but with 40 bucks you can make the fgt and gt lite frames super rigid. I can tell you how if you'd like.
@@Paulo-py4mm hey Paul. Had an GT Lite rig for a while now. I bought the DD Pro a little while back.
You are right. Stable as a rock with little effort. In my case, just a ratchet tie down strap.
Thanks Karl just got the gt omega prime using your link 👍
Nice one!
Thank you for a great review! I cant wait to get this!..... I wonder how it will go in the PlaySeat Challenge ;)
Fine if you don't run the brake to hard.
I got a new one for you. I never sim raced anything and looked at numerous UA-cam reviews so I ordered the Logitech G920 think oh I will save a few bucks and could not see myself paying for Fanatec nothing. Well after using the Logitech for a few days after downloading ACC I was like wow what would it be using Fanatec I bet GREAT. The G920 is alright but I felt something was missing and yep I just ordered today the CSL 3 Pedal Kit. I still am suprised at myself and I am not rich by any means but off to the rabbit hole I go. I will buy the Mclaren GT3 V2 Wheel next cause I think it going to be gone soon to low of a price for Fantec to keep selling all the time. Once I can afford to get everything I will be listing the Logitech 920 on Ebay to try and recoup some money back. Plus do not get me started since I purchased a Logitech shifter and mount locally, Playseat Challenge from Ireland, stability aftermarket kit for the Playseat from England however, I live in the USA. The topper is I brought a MVH Studios F1 Wheel which is going to be mailed to me in about a week. The pain I feel is real right now.
lol A rabbit hole it really is mate! Enjoy it though, great fun hobby to get into... but yes it certainly can be expensive!
I recently got myself the standard pedal set with throttle and the brake with the foam. The brake needs a good bit of pressure and now hearing the big difference to the loadcell scares me xD
IME The stock pedal is very soft for a sim racing brake pedal.
Nice thorough review. Well done.
I think Fanatec nailed it with the load cell. The only question I really have is,
can you tamper with the elastomers at all? How difficult would it be to remove them and install something different. I'd like to see a break mod or two for this.
The whole stack just pops out so I'm sure there will be a tuning kit coming from either Fanatec or aftermarket.
u can ask fana CS for a set of 85 or 95 for the old csl elite pedals, they are the same size
Thanks for informative videos!!! Keep it up! Can you show a video of the best ways and places to buy 2nd hand sim gear? Thank you!
I don't really have any special insight on that, just the usual groups, eBay, marketplace etc.
Karl, as always a spot on valuable review. You’re the first person I go to for equipment reviews.
Can you tell me what rig setup you were using when testing the csl load cell pedals? It looked like you were using a csl dd wheel base as well. That’s what I’m looking to go to.
Thanks Karl!
GT Omega Titan mate and yes the CSL DD.
Very good info! Exactly what I was looking for. Best!
Glad it was helpful!
0:10 got big graphic design is my passion vibes
It's weird I went from just the regular CSL pedal set to now this loadcell, which is my first loadcell..it's it strange that it's taking me some getting used to? I find myself struggling making the transition..any and all opinions GREATLY appreciated because I'm struggling
Just more practice mate, it is a very different feeling and you just need to spend some hours getting used to it.
@@KarlGosling Yeah had time to mess around with it today here, starting to retrain my brain and just work on consistency. It's crazy I have it on 30% and that seems alright lol I tried 100 there was no way that was happening, I hear people say 80 and it's like what no chance lol
Another great review video! Have the CSL pedal kit ordered and plan to grab the load cell when it's released. I saw the "Pedals tuning kit" which is the black metal pedals. Is there any additional grip or friction to these or is it purely aesthetic?
Just looks really mate.
@@KarlGosling That's what I thought. Thanks!
Another solid video mate with all the key bits of information needed.
I must ask though if you by any chance compared the 'two clutch pedals' so the original 'clutch kit' with the break without the sponge 'clutch'?
Also as I side not if I already have the CSL pedals do you think its worth buying the load cell kit not to tide me over to an eventually getting V3s or just wait and get V3s( iv since convinced myself I to getting V3s during the wait for thr CSL loadcell)
Original brake pedal is just the clutch with the sponge insert.
Thats up to you mate, V3's are all round better pedals but the CSL's with LC are great for the money.
@@KarlGosling ah ok. Makes sense with thr clutch and fair point with the V3s, thank you.
Appreciate you taking the time to respond and so soon 🙂
@karl would be great if you could actually do a comparison in regards to the previous csl elite pedal set with load cell....I know the main difference is the switch from potentiometer to hall effect sensors but to my understanding its a longevity difference. The original version of the csl elite pedal set/ load cell was more expensive and had metal foot plates ( not removable) , the load cell was adjustable and max was 90kg , so the actual older version seem better though I only have the older and have not tried the newer version .
I don't have a set here, but if you already have the old Elites then this would be a side step so no need to change mate.
@@KarlGosling thanks for the speedy reply
Karl, thanks so much for the review. I just have one question: I play on a desk and a chair, could it be that the power needed to press the load cell pedal is too much to keep the chair in place? Because it would be a shame if I pay 140€ for a brilliant pedal that I can actually not really use while the clutch kit only costs 30€
Yes mate thats exactly what would happen I'm afraid, you'd need to turn it down a lot.
@@KarlGosling thanks. I‘ll consider this opinion in deciding👍
Since I heard about load cell brakepedals, I've tried to see if a brakepedal really works this way in a real car, cause I have never driven a car where the brakepedal gets stiff, and then you push more force into it? Since we lack the g-forces in simulators its hard to tell how much you are braking, so it would be awesome if we got some feedback from the pedal instead, like rumble when the ABS kicks in. But I am thinking I might be wrong, so I think to buy this one, since its the cheapest ive found :) but I actually have some loadcells laying around, and amplifiers for these, so I might throw something togheter with a usb-controller to see if I can make my own first.
I’ve just set up my load cell pedal and find that I’m literally standing on the pedal just to make it move 1-2cm in shoes yet I see your travel is greater and your in socks. Is this a m
This looks great! Is the "bundle price" you mentioned of both the CSL pedals + load cell kit for $199 the black friday price, or is that going to be the standard price? If it's not the standard, how much will the bundle cost normally?
The bundle $199.95 price will be the standard price. The Black Friday offer is for the Load Cell Kit on its own.
@@DomB_Fanatec That's great! Will definitely be getting myself a set of these
@@DomB_Fanatec Hey Dom, does the load cell kit come with the PU insert to convert the pressure feel of the existing brake pedal of the CSL pedals into a clutch pedal?
@@cruzters I'm a bit confused by the question. The Load Cell Kit replaces the standard brake pedal. The standard brake pedal can then be used as the clutch, and therefore we recommend that the foam piece is removed, to make it feel more like a clutch.
@@DomB_Fanatec sorry for the confusion, im a fanatec newbie. I ordered the csl dd, wrc csl elite wheel, clubsport shifter, csl pedals, and csl clutch kit. But i dont expect it to arrive until jan 3rd. If i want to get the load cell brake kit, should i cancel my order of the csl pedal clutch kit? (Thats assuming that the csl load cell brake kit will be available here in the US as well before the end of 2021)
Your the man Karl!
Do you think these pedals are too strong for a foldable rig like f gt-lite cockpit?
Thinking of upgrading but don't want my rig to lift. Thanks, great videos as always.
No you would be ok, worse case you run the pedal at a lower pressure setting.
First off, love the content.
Now my question ghehe;
Is it possible to add a normal csl clutch to an csl elite pedal set ?
Have a nice one!
I have no idea mate sorry!
If you are referring to the previous csl elite pedal set then no as the mounting part is different, on the new version it's flat and uses 4 screws where the older version the mounting on the pedals pertrude up and slot into the base and only use 2 screws .
Thank you
Karl may I ask how you mounted these pedals to the GT Omega Titan rig? I have the same one and there doesn't seem to be an option for additional fixation points towards the back of the pedal plate. Just the two holes in the front. This as you might imagine causes the pedals not to sit flush against it and flex slightly under pressure. Did you drill additional holes in the pedals in the back? Thanks in advance ;)
Yes mate just drilled a couple of holes.
Yeah I've got to say I don't really like the plastic pedals faces. I think I'll be picking up the metal faces too
They just look nicer don't they!
Thinking of getting the Next Level wheel stand 2.0 and was curious about the load cell as well. Do you think this would be to much for the wheel stand to handle?
Hmm you'd have to run the sensitivity high or you may tip your chair back.
NLR make one for direct drives. I am pretty sure I'll get one. It's not foldable tho like the standard version. Karl has done a great review of the foldable
Hey Karl, do you think that the plastic pedals hold them back a bit for someone who races with grippy socks? I absolutely love the metal pedal faces but €40 is definitely a considerable amount of money to pay for something that’s just aesthetics and a bit better of a feel. I’d like your proper recommendation because I’d get them of you think they make €40 of a difference!
They do not effect performance at all, just don't look as cool! lol
@@KarlGosling Yeah, they certainly look cool haha. I was aware they actually make little difference performance wise but I was wondering if the comfort of them or anything improves the overall experience! Thanks for replying!
Do you think the V3s are worth almost twice the price? Clutch feel doesn't matter too much, but is the throttle on the V3 significantly better? Easier to modulate?
If the clutch isn't important then probably not, but this is very much personal preference mate so I can't say on your behalf.
@@KarlGosling Appreciate the response and the informative videos!
Once again your review are almost tailored to my gaming needs lol. I have a particular situation. I recently bought a second hand TLCM pedal a week ago. Than just two days avoir, I bought a CSL DD kit that came with the CSL Pedals including the clutch. I left them in their box in case I decide to keep the TLCM and sell them. However, now that the load cell upgrade is released, I wonder if I should get it and sell the TLCM instead. What would be your thoughts? The TLCM have 90kg of force and these ones have 60. However everything else seems to favor the Fanatec. How different do you find the acceleration pedal between the two? Is the CSL one even lighter than the TLCM? It seems that on every other aspect the CSL are better then the TLCM. Am I mistaken?
I'm not Karl and I'm far from an expert, but I have been researching this a lot in the last little bit and it's important to note that the kg rating of the load cell isn't the force at the pedal. Particularly if you look at boosted media's hour long csl load cell video, they show how they can depress the tlcm 100kg load cell by hand but obviously with this csl 60kg one you can't
From everything I've seen these pedals look very good and sturdy, hard to say what to do with you already having the tlcms though. Good luck in your decision!
@@supermeperson thank you for taking the time to answer! I also watched the Boosted Media hour long video lol. Also Karl just released a video comparing exactly these two models. My latest research convinced me of not keeping the TLCM. However, now I am wondering if I should just sell both and get the V3 instead. I guess it is the plight of the sim racer, always looking for thr possibility of an even higher upgrade lol
Hey Karl thanks for the great reviews. I have that same Titan cockpit with my G29 mounted to it (waiting for the DD to show up). How did you mount the pedals to the bottom like that? It looks way more comfortable than using the pedal tray. Did you have to drill it?
Yes mate, just remove the upper tray first.
I just preordered a CSL DD, CSL pedals(2) and the Clubsport RS wheel a few days ago. Wanted to order the Load Cell kit but I plan on mounting everything on my Playseat Challange as I cannot have a full on 8020 rig at my tiny man cave:) Was wondering if Playseat Challange would be able to handle the LC or I should just stick with the regular CSL pedal set.
It will but you'll have to run it soft.
@@KarlGosling Thanks. Running it soft would still be better than no having a Load Cell?
Another question on the mounting of the CSL pedals to the Titan without using the tray if you don’t mind? I’m looking at doing the same but on measuring up it seems the front two holes I’d need to drill are almost directly over the two supports welded to the underneath of the Titan plate. Did you find the same and if so how did you get round it? 14:33
Your reviews have been invaluable in helping me select and buy my first setup, which is exactly what you’re using here - thanks!
Thanks for your great review once again. In the video subject it mentions fanatec discount codes, but i can´t find them? I´ll be ordering a bunch of Fanatec stuff tmrw and is there a way to put in your reference in while ordering so you might get something, as it is because of your objective reviews i got convinced.
The discount is for black Friday so the prices should just be lower.
If you click my link in the description that's affiliated so I'll get a few quid, thanks mate! 🙂
I had to do the spring mod on mine since the way it is out of the box is way to stiff and hardly no travel..
Yeah that is the preferred brake pedal feel in the modern era of sim racing.
Hi Karl. Thanks for the review, do they bolt straight to the omega prime? I may be wrong but I think I’m hearing people having trouble with aligning the mounting bolt holes…
Cheers
Hi Karl,
Could you try on the next level GtLite and see how the stability is? About how much can that seat take with the LC
I don't have one any more sorry mate.
my load cell pedal fried my throttle pedal... it also has about 1/4 the travel compared to the one reviewed here. Still waiting on a response from fanatec 5 days later. apparently lots of people are having the same issue. Im now stuck with no pedals and no answer from fanatec.
Oh thats not good!
Great video again cheers, any idea what time there going live on Black Friday 👍
I don't mate sorry.
Carl will the load cell pedal actually brake better than the normal pedal or is it just the feel that is better
Just the feel, it still only registers an input from 0-100% same as any other pedal.
bro i love your video i have alway love sim racing but now im getting into more and more i got my logitech g29 but my deskwasnt ready for it lol. i now have my g29 and a gt omega prime was better plus i figure when i upgrade the cockpit will be last years
So use the old brake pedal as gas and the old gas as clutch?
Hey mate greetings from Australia! I noticed you mouted the pedals directly on the floor plate not the pedal tray stand?? Im having mouting issues with hole placements with these pedals. I can only use the holes directly on the pedals at the front of the pecals and on an angle if i want the clutch side locked in.. its lifting from the front since i cant use the mounting holes at the front the pedals.. Did you make a custom plate?
I just drilled the pedal tray to suite mate.
Great video and one ive been waiting for. Do you know if this is compatible with the CSL elite pedals?
No, it is not
@@netcald991 do you have a source?
@@Brett1279 they're not, I asked fanatec support the day the lc was announced
@@Brett1279 source is official word on the forums etc. It is only compatible with the new CSL Pedals!
@@momorious thanks mate - gutted really as I got the CSL elites as they were better than the CSL pedals, if that makes sense. I haven't received them yet so will send them back.
I got the CSL Elite LC but i'm not so happy with the brake. The brown elastomere is too smooth and it makes the braking not optimal from my point of view.
Do you think i should switch to this one ? Or make the move to the V3 ?
Buy the best you can afford is my advice mate.
question: following up on your playseat challenge vids for the CSL DD would you say that the loadcell would work if you lower the settings?
Yup sure would! The default 30% was very light.
@@KarlGosling thanks karl loving the vids very informative and helped me decide on getting a CSL DD with my limited space, keep up the hard work
Thanks for the review. A friend of mine gave me csl pedal with load cell so i try it in my rig and i like the brake but the course its like 2 3cm its too short for me i would like to have a litle more range, is anything i can do? Thanks
Hi I have that LC brake. My pedal is glitching, so when I'm not applying any input the pedal is flickering slightly and is extremely annoying. Is there a way to fix this? Maybe a update or something as I havent updated any firmware. But if any1 can help me it would be greatly appreciated
Sounds like you have not yet calibrated it mate?
@@KarlGosling maybe. As I said I haven't done any update or calibration. Just set up the wheel and started driving
I already have the CSL Pedals and the Clutch kit... do you really see a reason to buy the CSL load cell? is it worth $140 euro ($200 cad, shipped). Many thanks for the review!
Yes, it's night and day difference! It's a shame you already bought the clutch.
My lc barely moves at all, it's unusable. I have to stand on the pedal with both feet to get 100% and have set the brake force down to 0. I'm thinking about sending it back, I hate it.
Apparently it softens after use, but you should calibrate it to your desired pressure anyway mate.
Will I be able to fit the new csl load cell kit to the old cls elite pedals? The all black ones. Or will the new csl load cell kit only fit the new csl pedals?
No mate.
@@KarlGosling thanx! I’m screwed then haha I’ll have to buy the new pedals and get rid of my csl elite ones just to get the clucth lol
Im still thinking about whether i should go for the csl ones for 200€ or the thrustmaster T-LCM for 170€, any advice?
As I said in the video I prefer these.
Console or PC? What's your current wheel base?
@@TheDetroitt PC, currently have a T300 but looking to buy a CSL DD in the future
Mr Gosling is correct in your case. Black Friday is so far away. 😆
@@TheDetroitt ive also got an offer for the csl elite pedals with loadcell and hall sensor mods for 130€... quite a bit cheaper than the csl pedals
I’m just thinking if I should buy the csl with LC or the V3. I’m not sure if the LC from the CSL is too hard for me. Can you adjust the V3 more easily?
Yes much more easily, you literally just reach down and turn the adjuster for more or less travel/resistance.
@@KarlGosling Okay thank you. I will buy the V3. I think that is the better Option for me.
Karl, which racing rig are you using with the Fanatec CSLDD? I have mine mounted on the playseat evolution but I'm finding that it's not really sturdy enough. I'd like to add the load cell brake but I think that would make the whole thing worse. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Yeah the Playseat Evo is not very sturdy at all, this is a GT Omega Titan.
@@KarlGosling Thanks
Are people frying their throttle peddle because they are not wiring correctly? I noticed you said that the wire will exit the load cell to the base/pc instead of the throttle. If this is a fanatec issue and not operator issue you would think fanatec would address this.
Sorry mate I've not encountered this problem.
Nice review. I will order it on friday with tuning métal, but one question , Can I use the actual brake pedal as clutch when I install thé load cell as brake ? Or do In need to buy clutch as well ? Thanks
You can indeed use the standard brake as the clutch pedal (you can remove the foam damper to make it feel more like a clutch). If you buy the Load Cell Kit, you do not need to buy the Clutch Kit.
@@DomB_Fanatec perfect.
I will try that.
What playseat/rim are you using in the Video?
Just curious about the name and Cost of it. Im rockig a playseat challenge with a thrustmaster setup. But Im thinking about switching to fanatec and ur setup looks more comfortable
It not a Playseat, it's the GT Omega Titan with the Fanatec CSL DD GT3 wheel.
Hi Karl, which rig are you using with them in the clip here?
Hi Karl,
I just bought CSL LOADCELL pedals and brake pedal travel is not even close to yours. It barely moves. I tried to use my body weight to reach %100 brake with %100 brake force and it only went up to around %60. How is this possible? and in a normal scenario, I can only use it with %30 brake force since I do not have a cocpit. Do you think %30 brake force is enough to use a loadcell pedal? I am only playing F1 games.
I don't know why yours has less travel than mine, but you can just calibrate it short so that you can use it with your desk or wheel stand.
@@KarlGosling Thank you for reply. Yesterday I was only be able to play at %30 braking force. Now, I made a wood plate to mount the pedals. I will give a try tonight.
thanks!!!
Hey Karl, does the load cell fix the issue of having to recalibrate the pedals every time you power up the wheel base?
ive never had that happen yet, weird lol
Never had that issue mate sorry.
Hi Tim, I guess you are referring to the auto calibration that the standard CSL Pedals need to do on each startup (i.e. you have to push through the full travel of each axis once to set the range). With the CSL Pedals Load Cell Kit, you are upgrading the entire electronics of the pedals, meaning that manual calibration of each axis is possible. These values are saved directly to the pedals internal memory, and therefore the pedal min and max values are immediately applied when you power up the base. This is an undervalued feature - when I switch back to standard CSL Pedals for testing I always forget about the required auto calibration and end up locking my brakes at the first corner :D
@@DomB_Fanatec Oh man! Finally someone that doesn't think i'm nuts. YES! That is exactly the issue. I assumed the LC would be the solution, and thank you for confirming. Now I can hop in a car and not unexpectedly slide through T1 during my out-lap. Thanks Dom!
@@lanmaster53 You're welcome :)
I saw on the site today this was discontinued? Any details? I was considering buying this or v3 over the thrustmasters
I think you may have looked at the previous CSL Elite load cell kit mate, this has just been released.
Would either of these be OK on the NLR F-GT Lite rig Karl?
Yeah they would be fine mate :)
Do you still have these that I could buy?
I was going to get these but they’re out on fanatec until March and I would have to pay like £310 for V3s because of VAT
Sorry mate these are being kept as tester pedals for future cockpit reviews.
@@KarlGosling no problemo
would this fit on the earlyer black csl pedal set??? cheers Ben
Hi there it dose say which I am very very confused about saying ( Don't connect the RJ12 cable and the USB cable at the same time )
As being a slow learner myself I am worried I might damage the setup as I don't understand what they mean
Can you be of any guidance for what they mean
Many thanks
This is the Fanatec video where I found the don't use the RJ12 AND THE USB CABLE WITH A BIG RED CROSS IN THE VIDEO
It's about 4.1 into the video
Hi Karl,
Thanks for the review.
I am using T3PA pedals at the moment. I am only playing F1 game and since T3PA has a lot of travel; I have doubts to buy CSL LOADCELL since the travel distance is very little.
I don't have cocpit, I am putting the pedals against the wall so I wonder since T-LCM has longer travel zone and ligher spring, should I choose T-LCM? I am not sure If I can modulate Fanatec in F1 game...
Thanks for the help in advance
How would the load cell pedals feel in a foldable cockpit like the GT Lite or Playseat challenge?
Fine, you'd just have to set a low maximum pressure.
do you know if you can combine the load cell kit with the csl elite pedals?
This product is not compatible with the CSL Elite Pedals.
Not related to the loadcell but would the clutch be to stiff to work as a throttle? Confirmed to work by fanatec.
No not at all, it's quite light.
@@KarlGosling Great! Would you say that there is a noticable difference in stiffness on the throttle vs clutch?
Thanks
No problem
Is it worth to upgrade from csl LC pedal to clubsport v3? I only play gran turismo. And i dont like hard or heavy brake
V3's can be run much softer than this one as they are fully adjustable, so in your case maybe yes.
How hard is the load cell compared to the g920?
This is harder to max out and the pedal feels harder with way less travel, but you would just turn it down if that was too much for you.
How does the Playseat Challenge handle this pedals? Just bought them for my playseat and im not sure if i will be able to use it at 100%
You'll need to drop the max brake force down.
do you need a seperate usb to use them with a thrustmaster wheel? like on to plug straight into the pc
Yes mate.
Is it possible to drive with it on ps5 and a thrustmaster wheel base ?
Karl, can the standard brake pedal that comes with the set be used as a clutch?
yes it can as the old csl elite, he said it too
Yes.