Octavian ruled the Roman Empire for 41 years. It's hard to even imagine that for me. What a player one would have to be. Only to be followed by Tiberius, Caligula, and Nero...
They mixed real history with fiction. A lot of it is real. Octavian was real, he eventually changed his name to Augustus. We recognize him every Summer, during the month of August. Just as we recognize Julius Ceasar every Summer during the month of July. Pullo and Vorenous were real soldiers, mentioned in a book written by Ceasar, as two soldiers who competed with each other for bravery in combat. But their life story is made up here. Octavian's mother was Atia, but she didn't have an affair with Mark Antony (Who did live with Cleopatra in Egypt until degeated by Octavian) Great show, I wish it were longer
I really enjoyed rewatching Rome through your reactions. There is an old BBC TV series "I, Claudius" which picks up on the events 15 years after the battle of Actium. It's very low budget and 1976 videotape production values but begins with Augustus (as Octavian came to be known) and Marcus Agrippa celebrating and reflecting on the victory over Mark Antony and Cleopatra.
The spiritual sequel to this show, is a show called “I Claudius”. It’s the foundation for modern drama, and the inspiration for George RR Martin’s game of thrones. Please give it a watch, it is definitely worth it!!!
Another one for I, Claudius. Lemme sell you on it like this. It's so old there will be no copyright strikes! All the episodes are available on dailymotion.
Absolutely, I can't recommend I Claudius enough. The cast and their performances alone makes up for the low production value available at the time. Then you have the humor and the intrigue, and it raises to legendary status.
Augustus (Octavian) brought on the Pax Romana. The golden age of Rome and was considered the first Roman Emporer. The chaos and inefficiency of the Republic would have never lasted and Rome would have fallen centuries earlier if Augustus hadn't come along and changed things. It's hard to imagine what the world would look like today if it wasn't for the Roman Empire. It's legacy is still seen today
"There were in this legion two very valiant centurions, Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus, on the brink of being promoted to the first rank. These two were perpetually contending as to which should be preferred, and every year disputed with the greatest animosity the preference in point of valor. Pullo, one of these, when the fight was hottest before the fortifications: “Why do you hesitate, Vorenus?” he says. “Or what better opportunity for your valor do you seek? This very day shall decide our disputes”. When he had uttered these words, he proceeded beyond the fortifications, and rushed on that part of the enemy which appeared the thickest. Nor did Vorenus remain within the rampart, but respecting what all men would think of him, followed close after. Then, when an inconsiderable space intervened, Pullo threw his javelin at the enemy and pierced one of the multitude who was running forward; who, being wounded and slain, was protected by his comrades with their shields, all together throwing their weapons at Pullo, and giving him no opportunity of retreating. The shield of Pullo was pierced and a dart was fixed in his belt. This circumstance turned aside his scabbard and obstructed his right hand when attempting to draw his sword: the enemy crowded around him when thus embarrassed. His rival, Vorenus, ran up to him and assisted him in this emergency. Immediately the whole host turned from Pullo to him, supposing the other to be slain by the dart. Vorenus, with his sword, engages the enemy hand to hand, kills one man, and drives back the rest a little; while pursuing them too eagerly, he slips down a precipice and falls. To this, in his turn, Pullo brings relief, and both, having slain a great number, retreat in safety to the fortifications amidst the universal applause of their comrades. Thus fortune seemed to play with them in their struggles and rivalries, making each a mutual defender of the other, so that it could not be decided which of the two was the more deserving of preeminence in valor." Julius Caesar, Commentaries on the Gallic War, V-44
23:45 you forget that Caesar painted his face red and did much the same, doing a public execution of the King of Gaul and hinted that he wasn't playing at being a God
Sad this journey is coming to end! It's been great and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching this highly amazing, and highly underrated and unseen show with you guys. It's one of my absolute favorites, and I just really appreciate you guys for watching it.
Vorenus has one of my favorite and most veteran stories ever. A man who played by the rules, work hard, and lived by a code of honor. He followed the "How to be a proper Roman" playbook to the letter, then he got out of the army and the real world hit him like truck. Finds out his wife was cheating on him and playing by the rules only works if everyone else is too.
If you liked this series and want to learn more about the history behind it, check out the channel of historian Adrian Goldsworthy. He goes through each episode of Rome and compares with what's known of the real historical events. It gave me a great deal of appreciation for how well Rome balances between entertainment value and historical accuracy. Here's a link to the commentary on Rome episode 1: ua-cam.com/video/KsWfUvDbWG0/v-deo.htmlsi=qQwDwEWTpckU26-B Here's the channel: www.youtube.com/@AdrianGoldsworthytheAuthor/v
Octavian assumed the title of Augustus and became the first of a line of roman emperors. He owed much of his military victories to Agrippa who was always loyal to him, the other one in the show, Maecenas became a trusted advisor to Octavian and a sponsor of arts, he probably was the one responsible behind the worship of the emperors as gods. Octavian knew how to choose his closest advisors. He became an efficient and loved ruler, supporting the economy and traditions. The childrens of Mark Antony and Cleopatra were pardoned and given to Octavia to rase them as romans. Atia became the example of a good woman and matron in roman eyes. Livia, the wife of Octavian, became a powerful and influential woman during and after Octavian's reign, some historians believe she was behind a long list of poisoned men in order to place her son. Octavian managed to die in power to old age thanks to his policy of friendship and agreements, he never called himself emperor or king but First Citizen, the senior member of the senate
The Pillars of Earth is a great like 11 part miniseries dealing with the church which has Matthew Macfayden who plays Tom on Succession. It's really good, and also stars Eddie Redmayne and Ian McShane...who stars in Deadwood which is another great one but lengthy.
Really enjoyed your reactions to Rome! What a shame that it was cancelled prematurely, leaving so many more stories to tell. I think you’d really like the series Black Sails, a full four seasons of pirates doing pirate things, amazing sea battles, and cleverly blending fictional characters and real life pirates.
Loved going through this journey again with you guys and your long, post-show discussions were my favorite and really insightful. I think the reason why Vorenus didn't tell the kids the truth was probably because of his being a strict boy scout. I read comments from other audiences and reviewers who theorized that Vorenus's traditional Roman beliefs and code of honor is what kept him from telling the truth. Not really sure on that myself. Also, apparently, there was going to be a film after the cancellation with both Vorenus and Pullo in it so that could have been something.
Give house of Usher a tryout scary shit i'd love to get the both of your thoughts on it. You nailed it with Rome 10/10 rewatched the series again because you guys were having too much fun. Keep killing it
So glad you both enjoyed the show! And trashing adult Octavian was a highlight.. 🤣 Still recommending another show w/ the Titus Pullo actor (Ray Stevenson - RIP) in it called “Black Sails”. It’s excellent, has pirates & only 4 seasons! ⛵️🏴☠️
Such a good series, and such good reactions:) Great to see it again through new eyes. Folks talk about GoT as a revolutionary show, but for me it’s probably Rome, certainly more than GoT.
"I, Claudius" begins with Octavian and Agrippa reminiscing over dinner about how they defeated Antony and Cleopatra. "Rome" fits in before it seamlessly, like Rogue One fitted in before the original Star Wars film.
Its crazy how a show that was so short got us to care so deeply for its characters. I remember being genuinely distraught when Vorenus died the first time I watched Rome. What a fantastic show that was cut way too soon.
I used to be somewhat disappointed they recast Octavian, but I think the new actor did a fantastic job. He's like a viper, never blinking, eyes always on his next target. Creepy AF
He grows on you for sure. The dude that played younger Octavian was just too good. He barely acted, I think just in two things. This, and Master and Commander. One of the best movies ever, and he gives a tremendous performance as a young actor.
For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of a triumph - a tumultuous parade. A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and whispering in his ear a warning that “all glory is fleeting”.
Just as Servilia pledged to Atia before killing herself, all of Atia's joy turns to ashes at the moment of her ultimate triumph. She's the most powerful woman in Rome, but she'll never have the one man she truly loved.
Wow, never thought about this aspect. You’re right! Atia never saw true happiness after Servilia’s curse. Even from beyond the grave Servilia of the Junii was getting her vengeance…
I have really enjoyed your reactions to my 2nd favorite show of all time. HBO's Oz being #1, but you'd NEVER get that past youtube censors 😅I loved you guys' insights on the characters and drama. Atia is definitely my favorite character as well, and Octavia serves her purpose I think. I think I'd be like her, just kind of there enjoying not starving and having fun. You guys are great, thanks!
To be a historical nerd Atia died in 43bc but the final episode is played in 30 bc. Basically the year of Cleopatra's death. So there are 13 years gap among these events
"When Octavian returned to Rome he brought the captured Cleopatra Selene (Cleopatra's only daughter) and her surviving brothers with him as captives. During his triumph celebrating his conquest of Egypt, he paraded the twins dressed as the moon and the sun in heavy golden chains, behind an effigy of their mother clutching an asp to her arm. The chains were so heavy that the children were unable to walk in them, eliciting unexpected sympathy from many of the Roman onlookers."
One of my favorite parts of the show was the relationship between Pullo and Vorenus, and Pullo and Octavian. The latter, particularly, especially that last scene. To me, Octavian clearly has an asterisk in his mind of 'did he actually kill Caesarion?', because a) there's no body and b) he knows Pullo. The sensible thing for Octavian to do, were he fully a psychopath, would be to interrogate Pullo further to get at the truth... ...but I think he *likes* Pullo, and he found a way in his constant political calculus to not only not have Pullo seized and tortured, but to reward him.
Octavian was Augustus Ceasar the first Roman emperor, very shrewd, cunning, wise and effective ruler. It should be considered the times he lived in and how he managed to come out on top despite everything. Not a small feat at all. Of course all these people can be made to fit a certain purpose in any given dramatic presentation, Octavian Augustus Ceasar is depicted as much more mellow and sympathetic character in his elder years in I Claudius a great old drama from England.
who actually remembers deadwood when season 3 stopped after the 3rd episode then we had to wait 6 months for the rest of it, didn’t have internet to inform me back then so had no clue what was happening. seemed like years lol
For me Vorenus s allegory for roman republic itself. Altho' republic started to crumble even earlier that Gaius Julius Caesar came to power, it was Augustus who "officially" ended it (Vorenus dies)
Too bad, they didn't followed this up with (a minimal of) 8 seasons (LOL!), telling the stories of the first 5 (psycho lol!) emperors ''Augustus'' (Octavian), ''Tiberius'', ''Caligula'', ''Claudius'' and ''Nero''.
The most frustrating thing about Rome's cancellation for financial reasons was that HBO went on to spend far more on other shows, none quite as rich or insightful. It's HBO's Firefly. I'm glad we got Boardwalk Empire, but they cut that short too - although not as outrageously as this.
@@alwaysdriveing Symptom of having to end way too early. But they got the basic points across: E.g., Augustus was a psycho - his favorite way to "repay" debts was for the lender to have an accident and leave his family's money to the state in forged wills.
Hey guys, I just wanted to tell you how much I FW you. You’ve recently become a fixture to my UA-cam time, since yall getting into Rome. As a history major in college I blurt out history facts all the time then remind myself I’m not actually chillin with ya. 😂
Hi guys, have you considered watching Generation Kill? It's short and sweet, just seven episodes, and probably the most realistic military show out there.
Octavian was a lot of things, but he wasn't a psychopath. He was also likely the richest person to ever live. Far beyond Elon musk. Far. And he ruled much of Europe, the middle east and North Africa. On top of all that roam had 40 years of relative peace under him.
Honestly, this ended better than either GoT OR The Sopranos, and with much less reason to be successful, too. I think Season 2 was a sort of marvel of fat-trimming, leaving only the essentials. Some storylines ended with a dud - Timon and Gaia come to mind - but the main tale of the major historical characters, and Vorenus and Pullo, were quite satisfactory.
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The Pillars of Earth series is really good, you should check that one aswell
Julius Caesar was the last leader of the Republic. Octavian made the Roman Empire, and there was peace in Rome (Pax Romana) for the next 300 years. Octavian was a good leader. And no, Commodus marked the end of the Roman peace (Pax Romana).
"I aint even going to let them be happy in death" Fucking hell boys , your commentary kills me. Rome is a special show, beyond gutted HBO didnt let it have more seasons, but I like to think this show walked so Game of Thrones could run.
Too bad this show was cut short. More time for Deadwood though 😂 If you want to see some good shows about the empire: I Claudius, Barbarions Rising, Spartacus
You could watch now "The Borgias" another great historic show cancelled because of budget. Like "Rome" has a mix of all; drama, war, alliances, incest, poisoning...but in reinassance Rome.
“I know who you are…I can see you. Remember, far better women than you have sworn to do the same..go and look for them now” That’s a direct quote from the real Atia. Great wrap up, guy! Now, onward o Deadwood, South Dakota!😁😁😁😎
I would not recommend I Claudius, No Vorenus no Pullo. It's well acted and follow's the history but it's not as easy as Rome to get into, it's black and white and very much a English thespian's tour de force. Shame Rome didn't go on to include Tiberius Nero and Caligula from the perspective of ordinary Roman grunt's.
@@shawn6669 It is as it was when it was first released, I have laid out my reason's why, and insanity does not figure into those reason's. And I watched I Claudius when it was first released, Rome is vibrant with colour and allow's us another perspective on Roman life, it gives us two likeable character's to root for. I Claudius is accurate and dry by comparison.
I liked your reactions thru the show. Well Rome with the NEW Caesar went thry its golden period and hence the basis of our West Culture. So for your next HBS Seies I suggest ""HBO CHERNOBYL"" a 5 part episode about the explosion of the Soviet Nuclear Power Plant. Its strong drama and history//
Octavian ruled the Roman Empire for 41 years. It's hard to even imagine that for me. What a player one would have to be.
Only to be followed by Tiberius, Caligula, and Nero...
Remember that his psychopathic wife killed his children and nephews.
They mixed real history with fiction. A lot of it is real. Octavian was real, he eventually changed his name to Augustus. We recognize him every Summer, during the month of August. Just as we recognize Julius Ceasar every Summer during the month of July. Pullo and Vorenous were real soldiers, mentioned in a book written by Ceasar, as two soldiers who competed with each other for bravery in combat. But their life story is made up here. Octavian's mother was Atia, but she didn't have an affair with Mark Antony (Who did live with Cleopatra in Egypt until degeated by Octavian) Great show, I wish it were longer
And the German Kaiser and Russian Czar are derivatives of Caesar, the reach was something
I really enjoyed rewatching Rome through your reactions. There is an old BBC TV series "I, Claudius" which picks up on the events 15 years after the battle of Actium. It's very low budget and 1976 videotape production values but begins with Augustus (as Octavian came to be known) and Marcus Agrippa celebrating and reflecting on the victory over Mark Antony and Cleopatra.
@@BarleyC Great show.
The spiritual sequel to this show, is a show called “I Claudius”. It’s the foundation for modern drama, and the inspiration for George RR Martin’s game of thrones. Please give it a watch, it is definitely worth it!!!
And the books, "I, Claudius" and "Claudius the God" were sensational. History made riveting reading, with amazing characters.
@@altaclipperIClaudius and Claudius the God are my favorite reads of all time. I love them.
Another one for I, Claudius. Lemme sell you on it like this. It's so old there will be no copyright strikes! All the episodes are available on dailymotion.
"I, Claudius" follows the lives of many of these characters in the years that follow. It was an Enlish series in the 1970s and is also real good
Aye, I came to make the same comment! Love IClaudius.
Absolutely, I can't recommend I Claudius enough. The cast and their performances alone makes up for the low production value available at the time. Then you have the humor and the intrigue, and it raises to legendary status.
Augustus (Octavian) brought on the Pax Romana. The golden age of Rome and was considered the first Roman Emporer. The chaos and inefficiency of the Republic would have never lasted and Rome would have fallen centuries earlier if Augustus hadn't come along and changed things. It's hard to imagine what the world would look like today if it wasn't for the Roman Empire. It's legacy is still seen today
"There were in this legion two very valiant centurions, Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus, on the brink of being promoted to the first rank. These two were perpetually contending as to which should be preferred, and every year disputed with the greatest animosity the preference in point of valor. Pullo, one of these, when the fight was hottest before the fortifications: “Why do you hesitate, Vorenus?” he says. “Or what better opportunity for your valor do you seek? This very day shall decide our disputes”. When he had uttered these words, he proceeded beyond the fortifications, and rushed on that part of the enemy which appeared the thickest. Nor did Vorenus remain within the rampart, but respecting what all men would think of him, followed close after. Then, when an inconsiderable space intervened, Pullo threw his javelin at the enemy and pierced one of the multitude who was running forward; who, being wounded and slain, was protected by his comrades with their shields, all together throwing their weapons at Pullo, and giving him no opportunity of retreating. The shield of Pullo was pierced and a dart was fixed in his belt. This circumstance turned aside his scabbard and obstructed his right hand when attempting to draw his sword: the enemy crowded around him when thus embarrassed. His rival, Vorenus, ran up to him and assisted him in this emergency. Immediately the whole host turned from Pullo to him, supposing the other to be slain by the dart. Vorenus, with his sword, engages the enemy hand to hand, kills one man, and drives back the rest a little; while pursuing them too eagerly, he slips down a precipice and falls. To this, in his turn, Pullo brings relief, and both, having slain a great number, retreat in safety to the fortifications amidst the universal applause of their comrades. Thus fortune seemed to play with them in their struggles and rivalries, making each a mutual defender of the other, so that it could not be decided which of the two was the more deserving of preeminence in valor."
Julius Caesar, Commentaries on the Gallic War, V-44
I definitely need to give that a read, thanks for the post
FRR, this has been a tremendous ride and I was sad to come to the end today. Thank you so much for reacting to Rome!
23:45 you forget that Caesar painted his face red and did much the same, doing a public execution of the King of Gaul and hinted that he wasn't playing at being a God
Sad this journey is coming to end! It's been great and I've thoroughly enjoyed watching this highly amazing, and highly underrated and unseen show with you guys.
It's one of my absolute favorites, and I just really appreciate you guys for watching it.
Vorenus has one of my favorite and most veteran stories ever. A man who played by the rules, work hard, and lived by a code of honor. He followed the "How to be a proper Roman" playbook to the letter, then he got out of the army and the real world hit him like truck. Finds out his wife was cheating on him and playing by the rules only works if everyone else is too.
"Is he a good man?"
"Define...good."
All hail Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus, brothers of the 13th!
Now Give Us ‘Deadwood’!!!!😎😁😁
Yes Deadwood! You guys would love it I am very convinced.
Thanks for getting them to watch Rome. Not enough reactors doing it.
Are they ready for “SWEARGIN”????
💯 Always Sunny is a funny show but you guys will be reacting forever. Deadwood is 3 seasons plus a movie
Swedgin 2 C**k suckers!
If you liked this series and want to learn more about the history behind it, check out the channel of historian Adrian Goldsworthy. He goes through each episode of Rome and compares with what's known of the real historical events. It gave me a great deal of appreciation for how well Rome balances between entertainment value and historical accuracy.
Here's a link to the commentary on Rome episode 1:
ua-cam.com/video/KsWfUvDbWG0/v-deo.htmlsi=qQwDwEWTpckU26-B
Here's the channel:
www.youtube.com/@AdrianGoldsworthytheAuthor/v
I Claudius is a continuation of Rome.
There is another series called 'Domina' about octavians third wife, which pretty much focuses on when octavian takes power.
If you two were to react to the whole show all over again, I'd sit through every minute and love it just as much.
Had such a great time watching yall experience this epic series for the first time
HBO teaches a master class in making terrific shows and then screwing them up. This really should have got 5 seasons.
Soon to be Octavian no more as he goes on to be known as Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus the first Emperor (arguably best) Emperor of Rome.
Octavian assumed the title of Augustus and became the first of a line of roman emperors. He owed much of his military victories to Agrippa who was always loyal to him, the other one in the show, Maecenas became a trusted advisor to Octavian and a sponsor of arts, he probably was the one responsible behind the worship of the emperors as gods. Octavian knew how to choose his closest advisors. He became an efficient and loved ruler, supporting the economy and traditions. The childrens of Mark Antony and Cleopatra were pardoned and given to Octavia to rase them as romans. Atia became the example of a good woman and matron in roman eyes. Livia, the wife of Octavian, became a powerful and influential woman during and after Octavian's reign, some historians believe she was behind a long list of poisoned men in order to place her son. Octavian managed to die in power to old age thanks to his policy of friendship and agreements, he never called himself emperor or king but First Citizen, the senior member of the senate
The Pillars of Earth is a great like 11 part miniseries dealing with the church which has Matthew Macfayden who plays Tom on Succession. It's really good, and also stars Eddie Redmayne and Ian McShane...who stars in Deadwood which is another great one but lengthy.
I was thinking about Pillars of Earth as well. One of my favourite books and Macfayden is amazing in it. Great series.
Really enjoyed your reactions to Rome! What a shame that it was cancelled prematurely, leaving so many more stories to tell. I think you’d really like the series Black Sails, a full four seasons of pirates doing pirate things, amazing sea battles, and cleverly blending fictional characters and real life pirates.
Loved going through this journey again with you guys and your long, post-show discussions were my favorite and really insightful.
I think the reason why Vorenus didn't tell the kids the truth was probably because of his being a strict boy scout. I read comments from other audiences and reviewers who theorized that Vorenus's traditional Roman beliefs and code of honor is what kept him from telling the truth. Not really sure on that myself. Also, apparently, there was going to be a film after the cancellation with both Vorenus and Pullo in it so that could have been something.
Give house of Usher a tryout scary shit i'd love to get the both of your thoughts on it. You nailed it with Rome 10/10 rewatched the series again because you guys were having too much fun. Keep killing it
So glad you both enjoyed the show! And trashing adult Octavian was a highlight.. 🤣
Still recommending another show w/ the Titus Pullo actor (Ray Stevenson - RIP) in it called “Black Sails”. It’s excellent, has pirates & only 4 seasons! ⛵️🏴☠️
Lucius Vorenus Iron to the End. True words.
I like how Anthony tells him to get out well he can.
Such a good series, and such good reactions:) Great to see it again through new eyes. Folks talk about GoT as a revolutionary show, but for me it’s probably Rome, certainly more than GoT.
"I, Claudius" begins with Octavian and Agrippa reminiscing over dinner about how they defeated Antony and Cleopatra.
"Rome" fits in before it seamlessly, like Rogue One fitted in before the original Star Wars film.
Its crazy how a show that was so short got us to care so deeply for its characters. I remember being genuinely distraught when Vorenus died the first time I watched Rome. What a fantastic show that was cut way too soon.
I used to be somewhat disappointed they recast Octavian, but I think the new actor did a fantastic job. He's like a viper, never blinking, eyes always on his next target. Creepy AF
He grows on you for sure. The dude that played younger Octavian was just too good. He barely acted, I think just in two things. This, and Master and Commander. One of the best movies ever, and he gives a tremendous performance as a young actor.
@@Drax514 oh s$$t true, he was the kid with 1 arm right? damn that movie was good
@ Yupp. Honestly one of the best child performances I've ever seen.
Thanks fellas! Glad you loved it, lots of fun to watch. Octavian, pardon me, Augustus, may be all that everyone says he was, but he won! Bigly! 🤑🤮
If you enjoy historical series, I would like to recommend the Sharpe TV series.
I'll second that. They're great!
Good stuff. They had a plan for 5 seasons, actually. I forgot how extra Caesarion was, I love it.
Dang, really enjoyed rewatching Rome with you guys. It’s a bitter sweet ending. Sad it’s over. Please consider “Spartacus blood and sand”
Absolutely loved watching this with y’all!
For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of a triumph - a tumultuous parade.
A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and whispering in his ear a warning that “all glory is fleeting”.
Octavian, Augustus Caesar was most likely the greatest Caesar in the history of Rome.
Just as Servilia pledged to Atia before killing herself, all of Atia's joy turns to ashes at the moment of her ultimate triumph. She's the most powerful woman in Rome, but she'll never have the one man she truly loved.
Wow, never thought about this aspect. You’re right! Atia never saw true happiness after Servilia’s curse. Even from beyond the grave Servilia of the Junii was getting her vengeance…
You both had different ideas about what "About Your Father" referred to - and you were both right. How often does that happen? 🙂
Pullo and Vorenus were actual Roman soldiers mentioned by Julius Caesar in his memoirs: "The Conquest of Gaul".
We did it boys
I have really enjoyed your reactions to my 2nd favorite show of all time. HBO's Oz being #1, but you'd NEVER get that past youtube censors 😅I loved you guys' insights on the characters and drama. Atia is definitely my favorite character as well, and Octavia serves her purpose I think. I think I'd be like her, just kind of there enjoying not starving and having fun.
You guys are great, thanks!
Don’t sleep on Deadwood, another great hbo show
The curseladen wisdom of Ian McShane 😂
@ @ That would be Al Swearengen's wisdom, not the actor's who played him. ;)
Best character in the show, we all know it's the"news man" 😅
Formal and Bralik, where does Rome rank compared to the other big shows you’ve watched?
To be a historical nerd Atia died in 43bc but the final episode is played in 30 bc. Basically the year of Cleopatra's death. So there are 13 years gap among these events
You can't be disrespecting these future heirs. They will remember, lol.
Another ancient Roman series you might want to check out is Domina, it tells the story of Octavian and Livia's marriage.
"When Octavian returned to Rome he brought the captured Cleopatra Selene (Cleopatra's only daughter) and her surviving brothers with him as captives. During his triumph celebrating his conquest of Egypt, he paraded the twins dressed as the moon and the sun in heavy golden chains, behind an effigy of their mother clutching an asp to her arm. The chains were so heavy that the children were unable to walk in them, eliciting unexpected sympathy from many of the Roman onlookers."
One of my favorite parts of the show was the relationship between Pullo and Vorenus, and Pullo and Octavian. The latter, particularly, especially that last scene. To me, Octavian clearly has an asterisk in his mind of 'did he actually kill Caesarion?', because a) there's no body and b) he knows Pullo. The sensible thing for Octavian to do, were he fully a psychopath, would be to interrogate Pullo further to get at the truth...
...but I think he *likes* Pullo, and he found a way in his constant political calculus to not only not have Pullo seized and tortured, but to reward him.
Octavian was Augustus Ceasar the first Roman emperor, very shrewd, cunning, wise and effective ruler. It should be considered the times he lived in and how he managed to come out on top despite everything. Not a small feat at all. Of course all these people can be made to fit a certain purpose in any given dramatic presentation, Octavian Augustus Ceasar is depicted as much more mellow and sympathetic character in his elder years in I Claudius a great old drama from England.
who actually remembers deadwood when season 3 stopped after the 3rd episode then we had to wait 6 months for the rest of it, didn’t have internet to inform me back then so had no clue what was happening. seemed like years lol
@@olllena148k I watched it at first release but I don’t remember that.
For me Vorenus s allegory for roman republic itself. Altho' republic started to crumble even earlier that Gaius Julius Caesar came to power, it was Augustus who "officially" ended it (Vorenus dies)
Too bad, they didn't followed this up with (a minimal of) 8 seasons (LOL!), telling the stories of the first 5 (psycho lol!) emperors ''Augustus'' (Octavian), ''Tiberius'', ''Caligula'', ''Claudius'' and ''Nero''.
Agreed. Claudius was the Only normal one, the rest are certified savages XD
The most frustrating thing about Rome's cancellation for financial reasons was that HBO went on to spend far more on other shows, none quite as rich or insightful. It's HBO's Firefly. I'm glad we got Boardwalk Empire, but they cut that short too - although not as outrageously as this.
they totally screwed the last season though. Tossed historical accuracy right out the window.
@@alwaysdriveing Symptom of having to end way too early. But they got the basic points across: E.g., Augustus was a psycho - his favorite way to "repay" debts was for the lender to have an accident and leave his family's money to the state in forged wills.
Great job on this series! Please consider Ozark next.
They raided the entire complex, no snake was found
If they continued the show, vorenus does not die, moves to some low key farm with his children
Hey guys, I just wanted to tell you how much I FW you. You’ve recently become a fixture to my UA-cam time, since yall getting into Rome. As a history major in college I blurt out history facts all the time then remind myself I’m not actually chillin with ya. 😂
Great reaction to both seasons 10/10
Hi guys, have you considered watching Generation Kill? It's short and sweet, just seven episodes, and probably the most realistic military show out there.
We still taking a walk on the Boardwalk (Empire)?
Coming soon 🙏🏾
For a future reaction, I'd like to recommend Banshee , which is of a completely different genre.
Octavian was a lot of things, but he wasn't a psychopath. He was also likely the richest person to ever live. Far beyond Elon musk. Far. And he ruled much of Europe, the middle east and North Africa. On top of all that roam had 40 years of relative peace under him.
Honestly, this ended better than either GoT OR The Sopranos, and with much less reason to be successful, too. I think Season 2 was a sort of marvel of fat-trimming, leaving only the essentials. Some storylines ended with a dud - Timon and Gaia come to mind - but the main tale of the major historical characters, and Vorenus and Pullo, were quite satisfactory.
The Pillars of Earth series is really good, you should check that one aswell
The dramatics are for a reason. He is now the Emperor.
Julius Caesar was the last leader of the Republic. Octavian made the Roman Empire, and there was peace in Rome (Pax Romana) for the next 300 years. Octavian was a good leader. And no, Commodus marked the end of the Roman peace (Pax Romana).
Deadwood now for the love of God!
"I aint even going to let them be happy in death" Fucking hell boys , your commentary kills me. Rome is a special show, beyond gutted HBO didnt let it have more seasons, but I like to think this show walked so Game of Thrones could run.
and then fall off a cliff like Wile E Coyote...but not as cool. FWIW.
@@shawn6669 we dont talk about season 8
Too bad this show was cut short. More time for Deadwood though 😂 If you want to see some good shows about the empire: I Claudius, Barbarions Rising, Spartacus
My vote is more HBO, Boardwalk Empire. Super, super good.
Coming Soon!!
Boardwalk Empire would be a good series to do next.
You could watch now "The Borgias" another great historic show cancelled because of budget. Like "Rome" has a mix of all; drama, war, alliances, incest, poisoning...but in reinassance Rome.
Sopranos, rome, boardwalk empire, game of thrones.
HBO never finishes a show properly.
You guys should react to the Spartacus tv show
“I know who you are…I can see you. Remember, far better women than you have sworn to do the same..go and look for them now”
That’s a direct quote from the real Atia. Great wrap up, guy! Now, onward o Deadwood, South Dakota!😁😁😁😎
So sad
If you’re mad at HBO now, you better skip Deadwood
Consider it done 😁
History vs Augustus: ua-cam.com/video/QrcmojhFmzY/v-deo.htmlsi=6UC1FC0CggyijgSj
Try Expanse. You won't regret it.
Real "Sopranos" were reason, that there were no 5 seasons :D
They killed Caesarean in real life.
Not just servilia. Calpurnia and cleopatra too. And jocasta lmao.
I would not recommend I Claudius, No Vorenus no Pullo. It's well acted and follow's the history but it's not as easy as Rome to get into, it's black and white and very much a English thespian's tour de force. Shame Rome didn't go on to include Tiberius Nero and Caligula from the perspective of ordinary Roman grunt's.
It's not in black and white.
@@tbone35453 Sure your right, I watched some recently and oddly I remember it as being in black and white, I guess it's so old it looks faded.
You're insane. I' Claudius is the bomb. My 2c.
@@shawn6669 It is as it was when it was first released, I have laid out my reason's why, and insanity does not figure into those reason's. And I watched I Claudius when it was first released, Rome is vibrant with colour and allow's us another perspective on Roman life, it gives us two likeable character's to root for. I Claudius is accurate and dry by comparison.
I liked your reactions thru the show. Well Rome with the NEW Caesar went thry its golden period and hence the basis of our West Culture. So for your next HBS Seies I suggest ""HBO CHERNOBYL"" a 5 part episode about the explosion of the Soviet Nuclear Power Plant. Its strong drama and history//