Buying any firearm in the UK is expensive, even a little .22lr. Are you thinking of .22 air rifles? Even then you would have a hard time finding many quality break-actions for under £40. SMK B2 value costs £40, and that's about as cheap as I'd like to go...
I assumed that the original post was talking about buying new, and I'm assuming you're not. Of course you can get dirt cheap secondhand guns, but I was talking about new guns.
Yeah when I first heard that I thought surely he means boys LOL I don't recall him mentioning the caliber yet so I was kind of half expecting him to say something ridiculous
@@demonking86420Boys rifle is the name of an anti-tank rifle used by the british and commonwealth forces. it's chambered in .55 Boys(14x99mm) cartridge.
I don't understand why these things aren't still being produce now. They seem like a decent little gun to have some fun with especially if you're on a really tight budget.
I have to imagine in today's litigious society, doing anything that isn't "how everyone else does it" is a serious liability. Especially when you're talking about the fire control system.
Never seen a more simple bolt action... If Winchester was smart theyd bring these back. Hire someone to redesign the stock to be a clever folding wire or plastic with hollow storage. Has the potential to be the lightest 22 ever. Could be a hit with the survival gun crowd and of course still as a kids rifle. The Cricket and others show theres still a market for single shot 22s... Price just under 100 and theyd make buku bucks.
This thing is so god damn cheap to manufacture they could do it in any calibre they want. All they need to change is the barrels, and perhaps the amount of locking surface for the more powerful rounds.
This rifle is K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. It's so simple and efficient, it's elegant. I'm not a firearms fan so much as fascinated by the engineering that goes into them, and the stories Ian tells about them. Great video!
It would likely be worth adding some sort of safety though. Perhaps a pin seating in a hole drilled through the trigger/ejector piece would work. Or or something registering to a notch in the same.
My dad actually has one of these, i quite enjoyed shooting it as a kid because it was easier for me to hit the thumb trigger than to reach forward and pull a conventional trigger with small hands.
There are a few guns that are essentially a metal firing mechanism screwed into a wooden stock. I've got a Remington Sportmaster which is the same way.
the best thing about having an interest in guns old and new is that you think you have seen it all then you get surprised with something you never seen before
I have one of those rifles in my collection. It's exceptionally accurate, and light enough to carry for days without tiring. The bolt and extractor design was continued into Winchester's Model 60 single-shot as well.
The 60 is a great training rifle. It's accurate and forces a kid to focus on each shot. It's even good for teaching new adult shooters for the same reasons.
I have a rifle like this with a finger trigger. My grandfather bought it. Gave it to my uncle, who gave it to my dad, then gave it to me. It is my first gun. Extremely accurate, and very simple. One of my favorites in my collection!
exept fore the fact that it would need rotary locks or some other system to keep it from flying backwarts because the bold would'nt lock into the reciever, adding atleast two parts.
A single strap of metal that hooks in to the bolt under under spring tention would also work. Just like some sort of magazine release but in this case it holds the bolt in place. When placed close to the non firing hand you can hold the the rifle on sight while operating it. This is a rather intresting concept to think about.
I've been binge watching this channel for the past 2 hours and every time I say that I'm gonna goto bed I just see anew video with an even freakier gun that I have to look at.
I have a Winchester Model 58 with the exact same bolt action only it has a trigger. My grandfather bought it for the boys back in 1910, cost $1.00, and a box of .22 short were $.05 @ 50 rounds. He also bought them a box of .22 bird shot. When I inherited the rifle it had no rifling, been shot that much, I spent a couple hours stripping the lead from the bore and ended up with a real shooter. It needs a stock now, found one on line that I'll be ordering this winter, this little rifle will go to one of my grandsons after the new stock, he will also get the old broken stock to keep it all original. While looking for a stock for the rifle I found that Winchester sold some of these rifles with gum wood stocks. Oh, the boys were identical twins, 9 years old when they got the rifle, can you imagine that in this day and age?
An elderly lady I knew when I lived in rural Virginia kept one of these loaded by her back door for shooting coyotes that got too close to her chickens. That woman was a sniper with that little gun. I guess it's because she'd been shooting it since she was a child, must have been 75 years, she was in her 80's when I knew her. When she passed away her family treated that cheap little rifle like it was the most valuable item in the world. I was glad to see they didn't just toss it away.
I have a Winchester 60A. It's just like this except a normal trigger. And yeah, it's super easy to take apart. In fact, the stock is something my dad carved when he was a kid, to replace the original. That's how simple the thing is.
Michael Poage I have the winchester 1904, made in 1914-19. it has almost an identical assembly but with a normal trigger. Also, 60a is a nice gun. I have a 1940 62A, NM in common but the names are pretty close
I just bought myself a model 67 and it's basically identical to this (besides not being a thumb trigger) despite being a 1935 model. Cheap little plinker, brilliant condition. Jumped out at me when I saw it for $200 at the local gun store. Simplicity and reliability at a low price. It's hard to get back into that market these days I think with so many companies like Savage pumping out high quality guns for low prices.
Hi Ian, awesome video. When I was younger I remember seeing one of these rifle in a museum (I am from Australia), at first I thought it was an old rifle missing a trigger. This video does a good job of explaining what this rifle is and how it works.
Been around guns pretty much my whole life and never knew that such existed. Thanks for the info. I've often thought that a thumb trigger would make for a more accurate shot due to the physiology of the way muscles work. Nice to know that I'm not the only one who had that idea.
1:25 - 1:40 I see an even bigger advantage, in being able to use the index finger for holding the rifle, instead of just pulling the trigger, while at the same time still using the thumb for holding the rifle (thumb doubles as holding and triggering finger, while when index-finger-triggering, the index finger fullfills no other function, despite being the strongest finger...). I today found out that this actually exists, but I never understood why not all triggers function like that, for my understanding, it´s the natural way...
@@OpusBuddly no. But till Ian´s latest AR, there´s been thousand of designs in history, where a thumb-trigger might have been the technically easier technique to implement... Since it´s a more matured design from the get go, while on the other side, index-finger-triggers needed hundreds of iterations before reaching the same degree of effectivity (and maybe even surpassing the effectivity/simplicity of thumb-triggers today, nevertheless after thousands of iterations). ...
Everything on this rifle is the same as the Model 58, except for the extended sear. On the model 58, and later the model 60 the sear simply has a slot milled that will allow the trigger to lever the sear downward to fire. So the only additional part was the trigger itself. The trigger on the model 58 is held in place by a metal pin through the wooden stock so it is still a very, very simple mechanism. My Dad bought an early Model 60 sometime around 1930. The rifle is stamped as a Model 60 but the stock is the flat "board" of the Model 58. The 58 has a straight bolt just like the one in the video. The 60 has a bent bolt usually a fuller shaped stock. The rifle cost $5.00 at that time. Of course $5.00 during the depression was not as easy to come by as it is today. That is the rifle that I learned to shoot with. I did not have any problem pulling the trigger, but my Grandfather had to cock the rifle for each shot because I did not have enough strength to pull back the cocking knob. I still have the rifle and I still shoot it now and again.
What's cool about this thumb trigger mechanism is that it would make the gun bypass the laws of what a "rifle" is under the NFA and GCA. Rifles need a single pull of the trigger, this is a push-button trigger. Theoretically you could make something like this, with a stock, have a short barrel. Since this was made for little kids anyway, a 10-12 inch barrel on there would be great to cut down on some length and weight.
Basically just a step up from pipe guns. I think it would actually be interesting to have one of these in a more powerful cartridge, for plinking etc. As you said, a dirt cheap rifle will appeal to a lot of people, even if it's a single shot.
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I would use a 3D printer to make most of the parts. I'd need a metal firing pin and maybe a metal extractor. The barrel and frame would be two to three pieces puzzled, glued, or glue+metal rod together. I could do it SO easily if someone came across the parts schematics or diagrams. I don't think anyone serious about guns is excited to hear about 3D printing one, but in my experience with pyrotechnics and plastic, a .22 should be fine.
So a tool that can automatically make perfect copies of this is shit? i.imgur.com/YoYgLW3.jpg Yes, that is 3d printed. Here it is unpainted i.imgur.com/9ycQrMY.jpg
If anyone else finds my files if I do happen to succeed, they can use them to make metal, plastic or wood copies to their leisure. Myself, I will stick to FDM machines.
G'day Ian! I have a very similar rifle, a 1904 I believe? Same thing but a traditional trigger design. When loading a cartridge, it isn't necessary to make sure the rim is before the extractor as it will spring under and catch the cartridge rim if it is loaded hard against the breech. Love your work mate
I collect old .22 caliber rifles, and over the years I have owned dozens of these thumb trigger rifles. I have one I purchased in the early 60s with the original box…
I have the model Winchester that has the standard trigger have you seen many of them it set without a bolt for 50 years until I finally found one just curious
Identical to the action, stock take down screw & barrel of my grampas 1903 Winchester except his did have a trigger and guard. So they made them both ways. PS never had to be concerned about the extractor putting rounds in the chamber. it simply slid over under and up behind the rim. when you closed the bolt. Thanks for solving my problem of completing the action on my home built blackpowder 22 WCF.
yeah iv been shooting guns from the time i was 6 when i was 9 i got my first deer rifle a Remington 700 in 30-06 i could barely not drop the gun after shooting it lol but i learned to handle it after awhile
I found one of these after my grandfather passes but the hammer is broken and there is a crack in the wood. Glad to know its old, maybe I'll try to find someone to restore it but i'll never shoot it or get rid of it. RIP Grandpa.
almost identical mechanically to a model 67, but on the bottom of the sear/extractor it has a hook that the trigger pulls down. side note, you can put a 22 in there in front of the extractor and it will snap under the rim when you put it in battery no problem
I think a lot of single shot rifles have this same design, my lithgow mod 1 will still function if you load the case rim in front of the extractor. It is basically the exact same design minus the thumb trigger.
I just found this video while researching the rifle I just inherited. It does say " thumb trigger" on it so pre 1920. Mine is in excellent condition compared to the one in your video. Thanks for the information. Nope not for sale, never will be.
I thought the fact that it doesn't have a mag to be a complete deal reaker, but sitting through the video, I'd love to have one of these. If only I lived in a place where I could get one without going through a 3 month (at a minimum) process to aquire a gun... not that I have a permit to own one now. Maybe I'll get one in the future, it seems fun and a lovely starter rifle.
my grandfather lost most of his index finger on his right hand, he used a Winchester Thumb Trigger as a squirrel/rabbit gun for YEARS... not sure where it ultimately ended up after he passed away in the late 90's...
I own Winchester Model 36 9 MM shotgun that looks very similar to this rifle. The stock, bolt, cocking piece, barrel, and extractor look identical. However it does have a standard trigger and trigger guard.
This actually seems like a pretty clever idea. Also quite simple. Surprised there aren’t more thumb trigger guns. Sure, it has its downsides but it’s special
this basic design, scaled up to .38 special would be a near ideal "stew pot gun" for those who had access to reloading gear (even the "mallet n die" variety ala lee). hell, you could probably spend a couple weekends with a piece of tubing, files, bar stock, barrel and a few other tools (like a drill press), even heat treat with a propane torch or electric stove burner, and crank one out for 50 bucks (with the majority of that going for a numrich barrel blank), and a couple six packs worth of sweat. could easily make the "button/lever" self cock the hammer too (just add a cam surface), though you would have to change the extractor then. imagine the looks at the range when you show up with a pack of primers, a couple cases, a lee loader, leather mallet, and bag of cast wadcutters, along with a junior bottle of HP38. tap a few together, and break out your "thumb rifle". belle of the ball day right there, yessir... lol
I think even for as mild a round as a .38 special, one would probably be wise to reconfigure the thumb trigger location, at least. Those mild pistol rounds still develop enough kick in rifle barrel that this design may not work for them. I would definitley like to see though.. {:-)
it reminds me of my lithgow model 1b, obviously not the trigger but the single thumb screw holding the stock together, the manual cocking bolt, even the style of extractor is virtually the same
Very similar to my mother's Model 60 (which I still own). The 60 has a semi pistol grip and a turn down bolt, the Model 59 is similar but with a straight stock and a straight handle bolt.
After seeing this system, I wonder how much it would suck to fire a 12 gauge with it. Still, an elegantly simple solution. Game devs for apocalyptical survival type games should definitely use this as inspiration for guns.
Missed evolutionary trail: Magazine fed and self cocking versions in military calibers with stripper clip guides... would probably have beat the crap out of ALL of the bolt guns in use in WW1 for cost, speed of manufacture (and ramp up time), accuracy , reliability, durability and ease of maintenance. Also the ability to fire the thing wearing thick mittens (or missing fingers) with no fiddling would be an added plus. They missed the boat on this one it could have been the world standard instead of an archaic kids plinker.
I noticed in the description that you mentioned many being exported to Australia. This is off the top of my head but i remember reading about how Australia was infested with rabbits at sometime.
Most accurate 22 I've ever shot with iron sights. You really only wanna shoot shorts in it because the ejector will slip under lr rounds then you have to pry the casing out.
Sheridan pellet rifles used to have a thumb hold-down safety. They claimed it made you hold it in such a way that it improved accuracy. I've learned that if I hold most guns in that way, they were right, it usually IS more accurate
Military: your being drafted
Drafted person: oh sorry I can’t go, my finger is broken
Winchester: *not today buckaroo*
RamshackleBrickBuilder ! So true
This comment has made 2020 already.
Another Guy how you feel about that now?
@@ystl1093 Bruh
im an amputee on my thumb
Never seen a thumb trigger rifle before, thank you for the review!
Same here. I'd love to try one.
it's trail recon!
@@LameWolff Now they have thumb trigger AR variants.
Winchester needs to bring this design back, maybe through Marlin. I think we all miss 22s that cost less than $100.
Buying any firearm in the UK is expensive, even a little .22lr.
Are you thinking of .22 air rifles?
Even then you would have a hard time finding many quality break-actions for under £40. SMK B2 value costs £40, and that's about as cheap as I'd like to go...
Same in Czech Republic you can get used singleshot .22LR's for like 50-60$.
I assumed that the original post was talking about buying new, and I'm assuming you're not. Of course you can get dirt cheap secondhand guns, but I was talking about new guns.
I miss $10 bricks of .22 a hell of a lot more than I miss cheap 22 rifles.
Frank Dantuono
You're the Bob Ross of guns. I watch your videos and sleep like a baby. Dreaming of happy guns.
donnerschwein i do that too! haha
Let’s hope he doesn’t have happy little accidents eh
ok it's time to stahp
No that's Paul Harrell. Ian's great though
I'm in bed right now. I'm further from sleep thanks to laughing at this being the first comment I see.
@1:06 "these were actually boys rifles"
I really wanted him to go and say "Chambered in 40mm Bofors"
Piratebuttseckz i
Yeah when I first heard that I thought surely he means boys LOL I don't recall him mentioning the caliber yet so I was kind of half expecting him to say something ridiculous
What
I thought about the same gun when I heard that. Then I realized he was talking about a male child rather than the AT gun.
@@demonking86420Boys rifle is the name of an anti-tank rifle used by the british and commonwealth forces. it's chambered in .55 Boys(14x99mm) cartridge.
I don't understand why these things aren't still being produce now. They seem like a decent little gun to have some fun with especially if you're on a really tight budget.
I blame the NRA lobbyists for invading the market with ar15s
I’ve fired a 1902, not a thumb trigger but a normal. Same thing, regular trigger. It’s very accurate and fun.
I have to imagine in today's litigious society, doing anything that isn't "how everyone else does it" is a serious liability. Especially when you're talking about the fire control system.
Considered training rifles, I learned to shoot on a single shot 22 like this
Never seen a more simple bolt action...
If Winchester was smart theyd bring these back. Hire someone to redesign the stock to be a clever folding wire or plastic with hollow storage. Has the potential to be the lightest 22 ever. Could be a hit with the survival gun crowd and of course still as a kids rifle. The Cricket and others show theres still a market for single shot 22s... Price just under 100 and theyd make buku bucks.
sergeantbigmac for more money or better efficiency they could easily re caliber into a simple 45 long colt or 22 magnum.
This thing is so god damn cheap to manufacture they could do it in any calibre they want. All they need to change is the barrels, and perhaps the amount of locking surface for the more powerful rounds.
It's spelled ""beaucoup" :) - beaucoup bucks.
Iron horse firearms just came out with a thumb operated lower
GadBoDag well Marcy buttercups Monfreir
This rifle is K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid. It's so simple and efficient, it's elegant. I'm not a firearms fan so much as fascinated by the engineering that goes into them, and the stories Ian tells about them. Great video!
It would likely be worth adding some sort of safety though. Perhaps a pin seating in a hole drilled through the trigger/ejector piece would work.
Or or something registering to a notch in the same.
You could easily conceal the entire thing in a cane.
Wyatt Rowe actually yea that would be the best cane gun design
Perhaps an umbrella.
J N Morgan Just have a rubber cap on the end for grip.
@J N Morgan Since this is a single shot, you could use a wax/paper/rubber/plastic disposable plug that you can fire through and then replace.
The penguin
My dad actually has one of these, i quite enjoyed shooting it as a kid because it was easier for me to hit the thumb trigger than to reach forward and pull a conventional trigger with small hands.
If I'm not mistaken, you could fire this rifle when it's out of the wooden stock.
probably, not exactly sure how you would handle it though.
There are a few guns that are essentially a metal firing mechanism screwed into a wooden stock. I've got a Remington Sportmaster which is the same way.
It would probably hurt but you hand and/or for out of you hand even at just .22 , but yeah, maybe make a pistol grip
@@vegaspapp It really wouldn't be that painful, accuracy would be the worst bit.
It would be a bit awkward to handle and you probably wouldn't be able to aim, but sure.
the best thing about having an interest in guns old and new is that you think you have seen it all then you get surprised with something you never seen before
I have one of those rifles in my collection. It's exceptionally accurate, and light enough to carry for days without tiring.
The bolt and extractor design was continued into Winchester's Model 60 single-shot as well.
The 60 is a great training rifle. It's accurate and forces a kid to focus on each shot. It's even good for teaching new adult shooters for the same reasons.
I have a rifle like this with a finger trigger. My grandfather bought it. Gave it to my uncle, who gave it to my dad, then gave it to me. It is my first gun. Extremely accurate, and very simple. One of my favorites in my collection!
When cocked, turning the pull knob on the bolt 20 degrees clockwise sets the safety. Turning ccwise takes it off
Cool. I was wondering about that. The thumb trigger did not appear to be drop safe...
Tnx, I too was wondering about that.
Wow I'm actually from Australia and I remember this rifle being shown on a Saturday morning kids television program in the late 60's early 70's.
Would love a modern redesign of this. A simple safety would work nicely. I wonder if a straight pull version would work out too.
exept fore the fact that it would need rotary locks or some other system to keep it from flying backwarts because the bold would'nt lock into the reciever, adding atleast two parts.
Stephan Mast. Unless you built grooves into the receiver. At worst only one part would be needed. At least with the design I have in my mind.
A single strap of metal that hooks in to the bolt under under spring tention would also work. Just like some sort of magazine release but in this case it holds the bolt in place. When placed close to the non firing hand you can hold the the rifle on sight while operating it. This is a rather intresting concept to think about.
Stephan Mast. Yes, though the cost probably would jump a bit for manufacturing complex, but shouldn't be too much.
The firing pin part should have a safety, you twist it when you pull it back
I've been binge watching this channel for the past 2 hours and every time I say that I'm gonna goto bed I just see anew video with an even freakier gun that I have to look at.
I have a Winchester Model 58 with the exact same bolt action only it has a trigger. My grandfather bought it for the boys back in 1910, cost $1.00, and a box of .22 short were $.05 @ 50 rounds. He also bought them a box of .22 bird shot. When I inherited the rifle it had no rifling, been shot that much, I spent a couple hours stripping the lead from the bore and ended up with a real shooter. It needs a stock now, found one on line that I'll be ordering this winter, this little rifle will go to one of my grandsons after the new stock, he will also get the old broken stock to keep it all original. While looking for a stock for the rifle I found that Winchester sold some of these rifles with gum wood stocks. Oh, the boys were identical twins, 9 years old when they got the rifle, can you imagine that in this day and age?
An elderly lady I knew when I lived in rural Virginia kept one of these loaded by her back door for shooting coyotes that got too close to her chickens. That woman was a sniper with that little gun. I guess it's because she'd been shooting it since she was a child, must have been 75 years, she was in her 80's when I knew her. When she passed away her family treated that cheap little rifle like it was the most valuable item in the world. I was glad to see they didn't just toss it away.
This has to be the easiest rifle to disassemble and clean I've ever seen. I want one!
I have a Winchester 60A. It's just like this except a normal trigger. And yeah, it's super easy to take apart. In fact, the stock is something my dad carved when he was a kid, to replace the original. That's how simple the thing is.
Michael Poage I have the winchester 1904, made in 1914-19. it has almost an identical assembly but with a normal trigger. Also, 60a is a nice gun. I have a 1940 62A, NM in common but the names are pretty close
I just bought myself a model 67 and it's basically identical to this (besides not being a thumb trigger) despite being a 1935 model. Cheap little plinker, brilliant condition. Jumped out at me when I saw it for $200 at the local gun store. Simplicity and reliability at a low price. It's hard to get back into that market these days I think with so many companies like Savage pumping out high quality guns for low prices.
2:11
Elegant & Crude...
I think that sums up minimalist design perfectly.
Because thats what this is, it's the minimalists gun.
Hi Ian, awesome video. When I was younger I remember seeing one of these rifle in a museum (I am from Australia), at first I thought it was an old rifle missing a trigger. This video does a good job of explaining what this rifle is and how it works.
Been around guns pretty much my whole life and never knew that such existed. Thanks for the info. I've often thought that a thumb trigger would make for a more accurate shot due to the physiology of the way muscles work. Nice to know that I'm not the only one who had that idea.
1:25 - 1:40 I see an even bigger advantage, in being able to use the index finger for holding the rifle, instead of just pulling the trigger, while at the same time still using the thumb for holding the rifle (thumb doubles as holding and triggering finger, while when index-finger-triggering, the index finger fullfills no other function, despite being the strongest finger...). I today found out that this actually exists, but I never understood why not all triggers function like that, for my understanding, it´s the natural way...
This old design is well suited to its intended purpose. Have you seen Ian's latest finger trigger AR?
@@OpusBuddly no. But till Ian´s latest AR, there´s been thousand of designs in history, where a thumb-trigger might have been the technically easier technique to implement... Since it´s a more matured design from the get go, while on the other side, index-finger-triggers needed hundreds of iterations before reaching the same degree of effectivity (and maybe even surpassing the effectivity/simplicity of thumb-triggers today, nevertheless after thousands of iterations). ...
02:58 I guess that once you've cocked it this way but no longer wish to shoot, you've got yourself into a...
..."catch .22".
I'm going already...
Everything on this rifle is the same as the Model 58, except for the extended sear. On the model 58, and later the model 60 the sear simply has a slot milled that will allow the trigger to lever the sear downward to fire. So the only additional part was the trigger itself. The trigger on the model 58 is held in place by a metal pin through the wooden stock so it is still a very, very simple mechanism. My Dad bought an early Model 60 sometime around 1930. The rifle is stamped as a Model 60 but the stock is the flat "board" of the Model 58. The 58 has a straight bolt just like the one in the video. The 60 has a bent bolt usually a fuller shaped stock. The rifle cost $5.00 at that time. Of course $5.00 during the depression was not as easy to come by as it is today. That is the rifle that I learned to shoot with. I did not have any problem pulling the trigger, but my Grandfather had to cock the rifle for each shot because I did not have enough strength to pull back the cocking knob. I still have the rifle and I still shoot it now and again.
honestly, i bet this is really comfortable to walk around with all day slung over your back. No trigger guard to bump into, very smooth profile.
An the only way you can shoot it is if you pull back that lever!
Saw one not long ago at an LGS. It wasn't for sale. The owner had brought it in to show off. It was pristine. Very neat little rifle.
This is for people who are all thumbs when using a rifle...
literally.
What's cool about this thumb trigger mechanism is that it would make the gun bypass the laws of what a "rifle" is under the NFA and GCA. Rifles need a single pull of the trigger, this is a push-button trigger. Theoretically you could make something like this, with a stock, have a short barrel. Since this was made for little kids anyway, a 10-12 inch barrel on there would be great to cut down on some length and weight.
Now I finally understand that how did Harry manage to convert his umbrella into a rifle in Kingsman :- The Golden Circle.
Basically just a step up from pipe guns. I think it would actually be interesting to have one of these in a more powerful cartridge, for plinking etc. As you said, a dirt cheap rifle will appeal to a lot of people, even if it's a single shot.
This design could be incorporated into a terrific pack/survival rifle.
Similar extractor to the Czechoslovakian ZKM-468 Training rifle.
Okay, I just sat and watched--without SKIPPING--an entire 4:16 minute ad for Keto Chow. Look up "Keto Chow witch ad" to see it if you don't see it here. Oh. My. God. I want to know the production costs of this ad. This ad had to cost more than your average B movie. Fascinating, in the sort of way the Texas Chain-Saw Massacre was fascinating. I'm not sure how many PC memes the ad rips, but it's a cauldron-full.
I tried... couldn't hack it. Shut it down when the knight showed up.
I'm very impressed with the simple design and how few components are needed. A little machining work here, some assembly there and there you have it.
I have one, I purchased it about 2 years ago. I love it! Very accurate.
“Somewhere between elegant and crude” was the best way to describe this. Right on the money Ian.
this is so simple. i might just try and make a replica...
I would use a 3D printer to make most of the parts. I'd need a metal firing pin and maybe a metal extractor. The barrel and frame would be two to three pieces puzzled, glued, or glue+metal rod together. I could do it SO easily if someone came across the parts schematics or diagrams.
I don't think anyone serious about guns is excited to hear about 3D printing one, but in my experience with pyrotechnics and plastic, a .22 should be fine.
So a tool that can automatically make perfect copies of this is shit? i.imgur.com/YoYgLW3.jpg
Yes, that is 3d printed. Here it is unpainted i.imgur.com/9ycQrMY.jpg
Ok 5chan
If anyone else finds my files if I do happen to succeed, they can use them to make metal, plastic or wood copies to their leisure. Myself, I will stick to FDM machines.
Do it in 7.62x54r.
You and Karl should use one of these little 22s in a 2gACM I think it would be fun to watch.
that would be something. an all 22 match with rifle and pistol... lol. if theres shotgun sections a .410 XD
mud test it
G'day Ian! I have a very similar rifle, a 1904 I believe? Same thing but a traditional trigger design. When loading a cartridge, it isn't necessary to make sure the rim is before the extractor as it will spring under and catch the cartridge rim if it is loaded hard against the breech. Love your work mate
I need to binge watch this channel, soo much material
I collect old .22 caliber rifles, and over the years I have owned dozens of these thumb trigger rifles. I have one I purchased in the early 60s with the original box…
I have the model Winchester that has the standard trigger have you seen many of them it set without a bolt for 50 years until I finally found one just curious
@@dustindinwiddie8511 Pardon, I’m not sure I quite understand what you mean.
Identical to the action, stock take down screw & barrel of my grampas 1903 Winchester except his did have a trigger and guard. So they made them both ways. PS never had to be concerned about the extractor putting rounds in the chamber. it simply slid over under and up behind the rim. when you closed the bolt. Thanks for solving my problem of completing the action on my home built blackpowder 22 WCF.
extreme reliable and durable design
single shot rifle but very accurate
Simple to use, increased accuracy, cheap to manufacture, *let’s market it to children!*
hell yea
As a 12 year old id like my own home defense weapon. An this gun could also be concealed as a walking cane if you think about it
yeah iv been shooting guns from the time i was 6 when i was 9 i got my first deer rifle a Remington 700 in 30-06 i could barely not drop the gun after shooting it lol but i learned to handle it after awhile
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Seems like an interesting project a home builder could build...Nice....
you'd be surprised about how many detailed pdf manuals you can find online for free "wink wink"
I did a couple of simple projects already.
That is a cool little rifle, I am amazed at how simple the design is and yet it is efficient, and a thumb trigger, wow.
I found one of these after my grandfather passes but the hammer is broken and there is a crack in the wood. Glad to know its old, maybe I'll try to find someone to restore it but i'll never shoot it or get rid of it. RIP Grandpa.
My grandfather has one of these in his collection!
It's mechanisms like this we need more of. If only people weren't so obsessed with a "trigger".
My girlfriend inherited one of these from her father. My cousin is cleaning it up.
I remember those. Now I have to find one to add to my collection. Very neat.
almost identical mechanically to a model 67, but on the bottom of the sear/extractor it has a hook that the trigger pulls down. side note, you can put a 22 in there in front of the extractor and it will snap under the rim when you put it in battery no problem
I think a lot of single shot rifles have this same design, my lithgow mod 1 will still function if you load the case rim in front of the extractor. It is basically the exact same design minus the thumb trigger.
I just found this video while researching the rifle I just inherited. It does say " thumb trigger" on it so pre 1920. Mine is in excellent condition compared to the one in your video. Thanks for the information. Nope not for sale, never will be.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
I cant wait to see in range do a video on those thumb trigger AR's that are being advertised on instagram.
I thought the fact that it doesn't have a mag to be a complete deal reaker, but sitting through the video, I'd love to have one of these. If only I lived in a place where I could get one without going through a 3 month (at a minimum) process to aquire a gun... not that I have a permit to own one now.
Maybe I'll get one in the future, it seems fun and a lovely starter rifle.
Iv never seen a thumb trigger weapon 😊 always learning something new.
Now all I can imagine is the boy from "Rescuers Down Under" going around with this rifle. Thanks Ian.
my grandfather lost most of his index finger on his right hand, he used a Winchester Thumb Trigger as a squirrel/rabbit gun for YEARS... not sure where it ultimately ended up after he passed away in the late 90's...
The extraordinary simplicity of this design shows how anyone can make a rifle.
Good work as always, facinating how so many variations there are
This has to be the simplest mass produced rifle I have ever seen
I like this idea. Kinda wish these were still being made.
That striker design reminds me a lot of the Crickett .22 that my son has. I'm surprised someone else hasn't done a simple model like this for kids.
as you said, really simple and elegant. almost sort of cute. these should totally be reproduced.
I love the simplicity here, and the takedown means it would make a good little pack gun.
Someone should seriously remake these rifles. Would have a massive market
I own Winchester Model 36 9 MM shotgun that looks very similar to this rifle. The stock, bolt, cocking piece, barrel, and extractor look identical. However it does have a standard trigger and trigger guard.
Trigger model was one of my toys when i was a kid.
More elegant than crude - love it. Someone should bring this back.
It seems like it would be really easy to make a lever gun with this style of trigger. THAT would be awesome
I still got one and they are amazingly accurate and reliable
This actually seems like a pretty clever idea. Also quite simple. Surprised there aren’t more thumb trigger guns. Sure, it has its downsides but it’s special
Check out the BlackWater Ironhorse. It's a thumb operated AR compatible platform.
its a very simple,unique and interesting trigger mechanism in this rifle,i have never seen something like this before
I have the regular trigger version of this gun, had to do a firing pin replacement. Its a really great gun.
this basic design, scaled up to .38 special would be a near ideal "stew pot gun" for those who had access to reloading gear (even the "mallet n die" variety ala lee). hell, you could probably spend a couple weekends with a piece of tubing, files, bar stock, barrel and a few other tools (like a drill press), even heat treat with a propane torch or electric stove burner, and crank one out for 50 bucks (with the majority of that going for a numrich barrel blank), and a couple six packs worth of sweat. could easily make the "button/lever" self cock the hammer too (just add a cam surface), though you would have to change the extractor then. imagine the looks at the range when you show up with a pack of primers, a couple cases, a lee loader, leather mallet, and bag of cast wadcutters, along with a junior bottle of HP38. tap a few together, and break out your "thumb rifle". belle of the ball day right there, yessir... lol
I think even for as mild a round as a .38 special, one would probably be wise to reconfigure the thumb trigger location, at least. Those mild pistol rounds still develop enough kick in rifle barrel that this design may not work for them. I would definitley like to see though.. {:-)
I love its simplicity would be a good starter rifle for my kids
it reminds me of my lithgow model 1b, obviously not the trigger but the single thumb screw holding the stock together, the manual cocking bolt, even the style of extractor is virtually the same
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?" I love seeing all the old designs. Very very cool.
My pap paw had one. Shot it for years.
this would be a great pattern for a survival/outdoor rifle. Simple, elegant and reliable.
Very similar to my mother's Model 60 (which I still own). The 60 has a semi pistol grip and a turn down bolt, the Model 59 is similar but with a straight stock and a straight handle bolt.
I have the same rifle with a standard trigger. First gun of every boy for generations
very cool gun! i super enjoy all the relics you show us.
After seeing this system, I wonder how much it would suck to fire a 12 gauge with it. Still, an elegantly simple solution. Game devs for apocalyptical survival type games should definitely use this as inspiration for guns.
Missed evolutionary trail: Magazine fed and self cocking versions in military calibers with stripper clip guides... would probably have beat the crap out of ALL of the bolt guns in use in WW1 for cost, speed of manufacture (and ramp up time), accuracy , reliability, durability and ease of maintenance. Also the ability to fire the thing wearing thick mittens (or missing fingers) with no fiddling would be an added plus. They missed the boat on this one it could have been the world standard instead of an archaic kids plinker.
Looks like something I would make in my workshop when I was bored, ha. Very simple. Very easy to make.
I have one the same model, but mine has a trigger and fancy guard for it. Pretty cool.
Looks like a number 4 without the trigger gaurd and trigger. A neat little rifle
I noticed in the description that you mentioned many being exported to Australia. This is off the top of my head but i remember reading about how Australia was infested with rabbits at sometime.
That’s beautiful why is this not a thing anymore
This is prime material for 3d printed guns.
It would be interesting to see a 3D printed one.
Most accurate 22 I've ever shot with iron sights. You really only wanna shoot shorts in it because the ejector will slip under lr rounds then you have to pry the casing out.
Wow, amazed by how simple that is, id like to get something like that nice and cheap one day if things like that are still produced.
Sheridan pellet rifles used to have a thumb hold-down safety. They claimed it made you hold it in such a way that it improved accuracy. I've learned that if I hold most guns in that way, they were right, it usually IS more accurate