Burgess Folding Shotgun
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2015
- Andrew Burgess was an extremely prolific gun designer who gets very little recognition today. One of has particularly interesting weapons was a pump-action, folding shotgun. Because Spencer already had a patent on the use of the forearm as the pump, Burgess designed his gun to use a sliding sleeve on the wrist of the stock as the pump handle. The guns were well made, and the company Burgess set up to manufacture them was bought out and shut down by Winchester to reduce competition with their 1893/1897 pump action shotgun. As a result not many were made, and very very few of the folding models. This one is in fantastic shape, and also comes with an excellent leather belt holster made for carrying it folded.
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Only Teddy Roosevelt would react to a man whipping a shotgun out of his coat and firing blanks in his office with "woah, that's awesome".
I mean i can think of a few other historic heads of state that would've been pretty goddamn stoked with it. Bismarck comes to mind.
Teddy was a dude's dude. But surprisingly progressive in the right ways.
nah all real americans and people that like cool stuff would
"Bully, good sir!"
I dunno, I think Lincoln would've been cool with it
Step one: Introduce yourself to Teddy
Step two: Crank off 6 rounds in to his ceiling
Step three: ???
Step four: Profit, and a hearty handshake.
it's an american thing, you wouldn't understand.
Vuntedum I’m American and it hurts my brain too
B U L L Y
Clearly, Burgess knew his audience.
A "Blank round" (rewatch the video) is a round with powder, but no projectile.
"I would like a shotgun"
"Pump, Lever or Break action?"
"Yes."
"One of each?"
"No, all in one."
Love it 👍
"Pump, lever or break action?"
"Give"
Shut up and take my money!
Add mag fed as well
Reminds me of the rifle that the cowbow repeater in fallout new vegas to re-assemble thr rifle you either need like 5 extra hands or a spent cassing to hold shit in place. You damn genius john mosses browning made the design in like 30 days.
"What caliber do you carry? 9mm? .45?"
"12 Gauge"
Other guy: wut?
"Oh, sawed off?"
"No, full length"
"So here's the four one one, folks."
"Say some gangsta is dissing your fly girl"
"just give em one of these" 0:15
Nice 666 likes
Almost as cool as the three shot double barrel shotgun
@@chronoshield75 that would be dope
Once I knew what this was from, I read it in Moe’s voice
*fires three shots out of a double barrel*
THIS IS THE COOLEST SHOTGUN EVER... How the HELL is this not some iconic western movie/video game character's signature weapon of choice? This thing has mad style points whilst also being an incredible capable and practical firearm... you don't find many firearms with volumes of both style and practicality very often.
Maybe because of it rarity?
Don't worry, Gloomwood is here to (somewhat) fix this.
There is a game called Gloomwood who has a shotgun similar to burgess
Better this than the goddamn pancor jackhammer
@@robertheller4583 Agent 47 literally have a signature sniper rifle that was made in the hundreds. Miss me with that Rarity stuff.
Tbh I think this gun is much more badass than the 1887 lever action shotgun.
I'd love a shotgun with just that pump action even if it didn't fold
Menuki For me, it's the folding that makes it look cool. But the action is unique and nice too.
Yeah but you can't spin this one like Arnie did with the 1887.
@jackthegamer that isn't as unique/iconic as spinning the 1887 imo.
So let’s do a lever action folding shotgun.
Why do they remake crap like liberator pistols but they don’t remake stuff like this
Between the cost of making a reproduction like this, not so easy access to patents of that kind (there's a whole procedure you'd have to go through first), different measurements that Burgess used back in the era (measurements change over time, they are not constant...Only have to look at the kg for evidence of change there), laws pertaining to gun lengths and finally the scarcity of surviving examples you'd have a hard time.
@@MegaRazorback not so much the patents, they expired about 1910. And the measurements will be in inches.
The problem would be getting one to work as your prototype, and then making the production tooling.
I expect that a modern reproduction would cost about $5000. Yes, really. Lots of machine time involved in those old guns.
And you'd have to pray that ATF didn't lose their shit and declare it a Destructive Device, making your paperwork burden a hell of a lot higher and slowing delivery to a crawl.
@@ScottKenny1978 the ATF fucking suck
@@sillylittleowlguy2392 yes, they do.
Cost.
I guess RIA finally unchained Ian from that table.
It could just be a long chain
@@yaduwn8844 it could just be a very long chain
@@SgtMjRomero he's planning an escape by borrowing one of Nicholas "chieftains" tanks
I came straight here after C&Rsenal's "Do a Flip" video.
I'm hoping othias found a few articles or pictures of NY bowery boys being issued these bad boys or even MPs having them for a full primar episode
Same
Me too!
Shaggy Shaggio init when I saw this I just fricking blew my mind out
same
When I was a teen in college, I was walking through town to get to class, and a cop stopped me. I was wearing a coat because it was cold and there was a chance of snow. The cop immediately accused me of hiding a shotgun under my coat. I was like... "What?"
And he was like, "you know, like one of those folding shotguns. You could have one under your coat."
I had to take off my coat before he'd lower his sidearm.
Dude could've just accused me of carrying a pistol, but I think he had just watched one of those concealed weapon police training videos and his imagination was going wild.
I mean have you ever seen the Concealed knives safety video for cops, crazy true stuff.
Cops aren't hired for their critical thinking capabilities.
Dakota do you mean to say, “Surviving Edged Weapons”?
Cops aren't hired for their smarts.
were you black?
I'm surprised that this configuration hasn't been resurrected as a survival rifle. It feels so handy.
I can't help but feel this thing would be illegal in some way. Sure when it's in its firing configuration it's easily 26 inches long with 18 inches of barrel, but the fact that it folds like that - paired with the purposeful combat design, something tells me Uncle Sam doesn't WANT us to have those.
Uncle Sam doesn't care so long as you pay him off enough in tax stamp, but the ATF would definitely want to push their weight around over this design. Probably make you surrender or destroy your rifle two weeks after saying it's okay to own.
@@jimvargaco.6344 By that logic, the Takedown variant of the Ruger 10/22 would be illegal.
@@jimvargaco.6344 Not exactly, the nfa now states that the barrel on rifles must be 16 inches. I can easily see a survival rifle in that configuration. I think an update happened in the sixtys.
Money. The answer is always money.
Got to be the best ever concealed carry weapon.
REMF Tacticool In many places I know it's not legal to carry loaded rifles. I don't know what the laws regarding concealed shotguns are, since this is one of few instances where that notion is even remotely practical.
As a brit the notion of even personally owning so much as a handgun is sadly far out of reach. But I like to dream.
Yeah I'll just drop my military career and move shop to the states... if only reality were so simple...
Handguns are just straight up banned for civiliand here. There are a *tiny* number of obsolete calibre revolvers and the like kept at gun clubs, but that's it. Maybe that's where the story came from, but the only 'pistols' we can have legally are in .22rf with incredibly long barrels and permanently attached stocks; you need to jump through a lot of hoops and prove to the police that you're a long standing member of a sport shooting club just to get the certificate to own one of those and they cost far more than a normal handgun would in America.
REMF Tacticool There's always the PA Luty approach, but, then you've got to go out into the woods and hope you don't get caught with it.
Upside to that, you own a SMG, and it costs a whopping $50.... Or you could move to North Ireland, last I heard, the gun laws where more reasonable there.
There's some pistol ownership I believe and some of the channel islands allow pistols and 5.56 semi ARs etc but again, kinda need to pay the bills. Rather serve my time then look at moving to the states afterwards and hope my credentials are good enough to get some sort of job in the industry.
Forgotten? Glad they remembered it. I would love to have a modern day version of this.
texasvice1 so do I!
I agree, this would be a cool self defense option. I just hope they keep a wood stocked version, somehow plastic just wouldn't suit this gun.
Dominick Smith Just imagine this gun with the fit and finish of a Korth PRS...
Keltec
Ah yes for someone to attach a pistol grip on to the pump a flashlight+laser combo from wish and a Chinese sight with no battery in it
I am impressed by this gun, I call it " US space magic ". Take care and many greeting from Germany.
It's high praise when a German calls something Space Magic.
Many greetings to your country as well meine freunde.
That's not fair. We call it "Kraut Space Magic". It doesn't count unless you preface it with a derogatory name for the country
"Tommy space magic"
@@ethangranado9726 yank space magic
Forget Glocks, XDms, M&Ps and all the revolvers out there: I now want a Burgess shotgun for my ccw.
You're going to need very baggy trousers.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k or golf bags
Wouldnt a folding stock with a mid lenght barrel be better?
@@rainofficial1924 but when the entire gun folds you get 40% more fold per dollar
This design deserves to be revived in one form or another. I think that it would make one heck of a good backpack/survival gun.
A folding shotgun could potentially be illegal now. Given how easily it allows you to conceal a large, powerful, repeating firearm.
@@anzaca1 Why would that be? It breaks at the start of the barrel so can't be fired folded. It's no different from break action shotguns
@@a.t6066 True, but you'll never know if these guns might be misinterpreted as otherwise given its rare design
But yeah, a repro would be nice and hopefully the law won't screw us over
@@ArcturusOTE well I mean you've already got things like the keltec sub2000, 10/22 takedown, chiappa m6, etc.
Can't imagine the s*** storm that would come with trying to regulate this one just cause it's a 12ga lol
@@a.t6066 Do you really think the ATF retards would allow any sort of remotely interesting firearm to exist beyond typical fuddbait
Charlie Damon: *flips out shotgun from under his coat and shoots*
Teddy: "I'm impressed. I'll take 100."
Thanks Gloomwood
does anyone have a gif of Ian drawing the shotgun?
iknowmy3table i.giphy.com/l0O9xPWfaccWTBas8.gif
nice
+Forgotten Weapons it was a good draw. Did you get it in one take? Any practice runs?
+Forgotten Weapons Saved.
Here I had thought the *"Gun Jesus"* moniker was from his hair. Now I see it's because of the miracles he performs.
Miraculously producing a shotgun is much better than miraculously producing bread or fish.
The Burgess NEEDS to be reproduced!
Here to remind people that the gloomwood shotgun is a real gun
I RECOGNIZED IT FROM SOMEWHERE
YES! Someone had to say it!
Someone buy one of these and send it to either Uberti or one of the Turkish companies so they can start making them again
Forewarned76 Heck, Even Peitta would make a good one, I think.
+Forewarned76 Please don't give Uberti or the Turks any more ideas, they're already making enough overpriced junk and making money off of old U.S. made guns. Pietta is junk too but at least they're reasonably priced.
^
5 years late but I have no fucking clue what this guy is going off about. Turkey makes some damn good guns for damn good cheap. They just have a horrible military that cant use them.
@@sebastianriz4703 I WANT ONE!!! That's what I'm going off about!
Nice draw, Ian. My dad, as a Sheriff's deputy in 1960s Minnesota, used to carry a sawed-off Ithaca model 37 in the sleeve of his trench coat. I don't think he ever had to use it, but guessing the draw alone would have been nearly as impressive yours with the Burgess.
I always wondered how people could have so many pouches on a trench,do they put them themselves?
@@junichiroyamashita theoretically yes, but also it’s likely one could also do a shoulder holster rig… though a rig like that is slightly too big for something like a sawed off shotgun.
Beautiful gun, and that is such a cool folding mechanism. I'd buy that in a heartbeat if I had the money...
That opening intro was SO FREAKING AWESOME!!!
Why has no one reproduced this :
The ATF would like to know your location.
I'd love to have one
Engineering wise this looks really cool. Like how it slides back and it folding great.
@@brassmule wouldn't this be as legal as that kel-tec folding carbine? it's completely inoperable when it's folded for stowage
I was thinking ice truckers and such, good compact design that's quick to deploy with a loaded tube and could even be in calibres potent enough to put down wolves and bears, and as a shotgun could also fire flares
The Shotgun of Gloomwood!
Folding weapons a very much in fashion right now. Something like that hitting the market would not be able to keep up with demand. One major problem with watching this channel is I get to see all these wonderful designs that I will never get to have, ha.
0:15 pov: youre getting mugged by gun jesus
honestly i'd let him take anything at that point
Even without the folding this is a beautiful weapon. The way the action seals up so neatly when closed is just great.
I heard of the story of the Burgess being drawn in front of Teddy Roosevelt when he was the Police Commissioner of New York... this is the first time I've seen it being drawn and goddamn! It's amazing just how fast it can be deployed.
It's crazy to think that this weapon is now 120 years old!
And to think that so much have changed around, but this shotgun almost looks almost like a modern one.
Love these videos, keep it up Ian!
WhiteRidre new cartridge from Walmart pops right in. lol
Son of a Zombie And then blows up the rifle since the gun is designed for 2 5/8 black powder 12 gauge and not the modern smokeless powder 2 3/4 12 gauge shells.
that's actually really badass, shame this gun never caught on, definitely needs a reproduction.
This needs to be in RDR2.
Too bad they won’t put it the campaign though
Let's just hope they would add at least something new to the online mode at least, this game just screams for the new content
I read R2D2 at first and was slightly confused.
Ayyyyyyyyy it’s true
assoneS1, welp, he could certainly defend himself then
@@assoneS1 I saw R2D2 as well
FREEZE THIS IS A MUGGING!"
You brought a pistol?"
Yeah."
WELL I BROUGHT A SHOTGUN BI-"
This was the first FW video I ever saw and to this day, 5 years later, this is still my favourite.
Someone should tackle this as a reproduction.
No lie, I would pay at least $800 for a reliable reproduction of this
This looks like something that Norinco or Dominion Arms should copy.
That pump action is dead sexy.
And to think this could have been more common if Oliver Winchester wasn't such a bitch
I think this would be great in Australia, where it can be sold as a Category A weapon and not restricted like a Category C pump-action or semi-automatic shotgun.
Beautiful shotgun. I had the chance to buy one a few years ago, my wife talked me out of it. I should have divorced her and bought it anyway.
Considering what you missed out on you should have done that. And then shot her, with the shotgun.
After watching this I totally agree with you that this is at the very top of my list of guns I'd like to see a reproduction of available asap. One of the coolest shotguns I've ever seen, great video!
this system actually makes a lot of sense because you work all other types of bolts/levers other then pump action with your dominant hand anyway
I'm always impressed buy the level of innovation in the gunsmiths of the past. Great video as always
It's gotten a whole lot harder to become a firearms designer, thanks to the domminated market and a over zealous regulatory agency.
@@Therathmataz Yep the market is now is the victim of Government gate keeping .Looking at old firearm designs shows how amazing human ingenuity is/was and it also shows how the government is strangling free thought .A good example is looking back at the late 1800s to early 1900s and seeing how fast firearms were being advanced almsot by a yearly basis now compare that today and we are still using weapon platforms that were made in the 1950s and the reason for that are no new unique designs are being made by private individuals since the average man can not bring new revolutionary designs to the table , the only new cutting edge firearms are made by the government and we all know how lazy the gov is.
@@pacobell97 I mean, what you said is true but on the other hand, humans have already mastered weapons designs. When it comes to guns, missles, bombs, any conventional form of firepower; we already are at the peak of technology in that field. Why do we need to continue to innovate when there is zero purpose in doing it? Back in those early days you mentioned, gun technology was so fresh and new; EVERYONE could experiment in any single way possible and come out with a new product. Nowadays, not so much.
Damon’s sales pitch to teddy Roosevelt…that’s hilarious. If all sales pitches went like that, I’d be a traveling salesmen in half a heartbeat.
I like how Roosevelt was such a badass he wasn't even phased about some stranger whipping one out and firing it into the ceiling, he was just impressed.
Walks into screen for the intro.
He’s got s gun on him and I know it but where?
0:14 "Call an ambulance but not for me!"
Hark! Listen closely, do you hear that? That's the sound of all current, as well as all of the deceased ATF agents since the agencies inception all being collectively *triggered* all at the same time from the very concept of this weapon.
No different than a Sub2000. No round chambered when folded. 😈
the clean sound and look of the action cycling is fantastic, the fact that it folds is the icing on the cake. Thanks for showing such a remarkable weapon
They need to put this back in to production, that would make an awesome survival shotgun and possibly even a concealed carry weapon under the right circumstances.
I recently watched the netflix series Arcane, and there's a character who uses a foldable gun like this, except it's a rifle not a shotgun.
Had to go back to this video since it's such a cool, unique design for a gun.
I’ve heard so much about that show. How is it good? I want to know if I should watch it.
@@rjhaney2614 oh its good. Probably one of the best animated shows of 2021. Don't play the game though.
Revisiting this wonderful video, because it's such an awesome firearm. And I completely forgot that Ian actually encouraged people to conceal carry a 12 gauge shotgun. Imagine the look on the criminals face if they came at you with a knife or even a pistol, and you just casually whip out a fucking 12 gauge.
I'm just laughing at the idea of an active shooter coming in somewhere and getting smoked by a good guy with this.
This is a kick ass gun. The repeating action is pure genius
Sweet shotgun. Love the channel. Keep the videos coming.
I desperately want to see someone make a reproduction of these. Like a more modern version with a single point sling looped through a sling ring on the side of the gun, like a cavalry ring and bar, so it's attached to your body even if you take a tumble. Maybe a rail for dot and such. Action the same of course because that's kinda the whole point here. I'm not gonna lie, I might consider it for winter carry.
From someone who does not know a lot about guns and is curious and interested in learning more: this is a great video, very informative, and as a bit of a history nerd, it has some interesting history in it as well. Definitely something I'm subscribing to.
The Burgess salesman walking into Teddy Roosevelt’s office, whipping this thing out and unloading into his ceiling only for Teddy to be all “I’ll take a hundred” is the most Dudes Rock shit I’ve ever heard in my fucken life
This would make an awesome gun in an fps, imagine the animation when you switch weapons - pull it out and it just snaps in place
Must be a market for this, hairs stood up on the back of my neck it's such a brilliantly designed firearm
The pump-grip is such an interesting feature. I think it adds quite a lot when it comes to things like weapon ergonomics. More companies should implement such a feature in modern shotguns.
My first idea when I saw this video: Yer tellin me I could conceal carry a shotgun?!
This diffantly needs a repro made of it for a backpacking gun Cowboy action shooting CCW Body Guards and just plan Eff'ing around +Cap and Ball
0:17 is the last thing a man sees when he forgets a weapon
That has got to be the coolest shotgun ever! Neat in form & function and overall it looks beautiful!
the action on that gun sounds beautiful
I've never seen one, but now I "WANT" one.
By god, that has to be the sexiest shotgun I've ever seen. I want two, one for each hip.
Very possibly the absolute coolest shotgun I’ve ever seen. I love this thing. Thank you Ian.
I wish a company would reproduce some of these epic old designs
It's cool to think that this was a big inspiration for the shotgun in Gloomwood
After rewatching this because of your Q&A, this action could be quite popular on today's market. however, I think that to make it more palatable to modern enthusiasts, the changes needed to be made would probably be to make it into and market it as a "survival" shotgun. furniture would probably need to be changed to something more modern and the locking mechanism would also need to change. however, the action lends itself well to that purpose, I think, which is very desirable in today's market and would certainly be easy to sell as such because of how well it keeps out filth from the action and magazine. Winchester may yet hold the patent on this design, and are losing out on massive sales for the growing market for takedown rifles and shotguns.
I can't take your comment seriously, the King of Internet Trolls' face is too distracting.
Patent has long since expired. Expired over a hundred years ago.
I want one of these!
Incredible! This is the most beautiful shotgun action I've ever seen!
Absolutely superb, an excellent example of well thought out original design
This style and system (or simply a clone of this weapon) would do so well today. Folding and tacticool guns are all the rage.
Nice mechanism!
Your awesome man! One of my favorite channels on youtube!
You know this gun would of been incredibly popular had its production lived to see prohibition era. Mobsters and robbers would die to get their hands on this guy just for the concealment potential
If I had a gun license (I am Canadian), I'd gladly love to track this down. The unfolding mechanism is just too cool to pass up!
Canadians got it better than us Aussies
Gloomwood time
That is one of the most badass actions and designs I've ever seen.
I think I'm in love. Thats a beautiful gun and I love how easy it is to get to and put away.
How much?...Ok, 13 to 19,000...someone needs to make a new production version.
This looks like that weird break action pump shotgun in Gloomwood.
exploitativity yea its exactly what its based off
Even with the stock folded in, my Saiga 12 is an absolute UNIT. I wish I could have one of these things...
That is the most innovative shotgun design I have ever seen
1:15 is it just me or does some
one else find that oddly satisfying.
GLOOMWOOD SHOTGUN!
That has to be the coolest shotgun I've ever seen!
That action sounds SOLID. Please, someone make a modern version of this
OH MY GAWD! I NEED ONE!!!
The police would be so spooked when they ask me what I hunt with and I just flip that thing outa my pocket xD
And then get blown away cause you threatened an officer.
I'm a complete scrub on guns like these, so I have to ask: It's established from the Teddy story as well as the concept of the general appeal of these guns that it is able to remain folded while fully loaded. What mechanism keeps the bullets in the magazine while it's folded? I would have assumed that the spring would constantly push back and make the bullets go flying.
There is a shell catch on the inside end of the magazine tube. Opening the action with the gun closed drops the shell elevator down which pushes the catch out of the way for a moment to let one round from the magazine onto the elevator. Pushing the action closed then pushes the shell elevator up to load into the chamber.
@@ScottKenny1978 Interesting. Thanks much for the info!
@@sumgai848 no problem!
That intro for that shotgun was badass
Smoothest unfolding action I've ever seem.
You know what Doakes would say: "Surprise mother..."
A man of culture.
Man, I miss that show. 4 seasons was just not enough
Why isn't that pump system used in other shotguns? It seems absolutely ingenious.
Serena J. Fleming maybe its too complicated??? It’s a really cool mechanism
A true work of art. Absolutely beautiful.
Ingenious construction and a beautiful masterpiece of milling!
The GloomWood Shotgun
Gloomwood is wildin' rn
I am amazed by his doctrine. And his pocket shotgun. That’s also amazing:
The pump action on this is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen