Norsefire | V For Vendetta
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- When the world collapsed around them, Great Britain embraced authoritarianism and the rise of Norsefire.
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England Prevails!
Sure do love me some inter-service "Rahvalry" lol 4:24
remember remember the fifth of november
The Templin Institute I see what you did there ;) Posted on November 5th, clever.
I'm Scottish by ancestor. Screw England. :P
Templin Prevails!
“Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons.” - Douglas MacArthur
Weapon carriers dance to the words that are written by pen holders.
i mean, for all the automatic weapons MacArthur commanded he was relieved of command by the stroke of a pen
Probably couldn't read lol.
@@moreno4821 It upsets all the zombies who believe the nonsense. Shame.
@@moreno4821 This is how you are programmed to react. Denial and then abuse. The pattern is obvious. Refusing to use your own mind makes you less than human. And this is how you are herded. Enjoy.
"Ideas are more powerful than bullets" *Uses Explosives*
Explosives aren't bullets, he said nothing about explosives. Perhaps the full saying should be 'Ideas are more powerful than bullets, but explosives trump both'
WellDewEye he said “ because mr creeney beneath this mask there is an idea and ideas are bulletproof”
WellDewEye - ha ha ha ha
Reminder that Arty is the main killer in wars.
He probably wrote idea on the explosives
Winston loved Big Brother so much that he became Big Brother.
Lol
Onii-Chan !!
@Sadman Pranto get out
this casting was a excelent ideia
Glad I’m not the one who noticed
Someone actually came up with the name "fingermen" and didn't immediately collapse into terminal hysterics.
“So can he, ya know…” (uses two fingers to make a walking motion) “…patrol your alleyway?”
Atleast they didn't call them "The fingerers"
maybe it fits their rapey public image
Moore WAS probably on a lot of drugs at the time. So I feel like there's a 50/50 chance he was either dead serious about it, or making a big joke of it.
@@justinweber4977 I just assume Treebeard is ALWAYS on drugs.
However, everyone forgets that Guy Fawkes wanted to instal a Catholic monarchy and do away with parliament, yet he's seen as an idol for anarchists
David Wright
Exactly. Guy Fawkes wanted a Catholic Theocracy in England. He was like a Christian Jihadist rather than an idealistic revolutionary.
@@jal7852 I prefer Christian Jihadist Guy Fawkes tbh
am, anarchist, Guy is not an idol.
Here! Here!
Guy Fawkes as a individual is irrelevant, just like V. The message he has come to represent is the only thing that matters.
Ah yes V for vendetta. That came out back when modelling fictional empires and organizations on Nazis was actually original.
People have been doing that since the 40s right after WW2. There was nothing new about it when V for Vendetta did it.
The first big modelling of the Nazis was probably Star wars, though that was mixed in with other organisations.
It wasn't original at the time and the lore is dogshit.
@@myrmidonesantipodes6982 partially agreed, the comic/graphic novel version was much more interesting
Now political regimes are back at it, so maybe in the future we'll have something new? 🤷🏻♂️
Norsefire is a better name for a death metal band, not a fascist party lmao
True
Oh shit, the Norwegians are here
No its best for viking metal
What's the difference?
similar iconography most of the time "sabaton, "metallica" "rammstein" I could all imagine being fascist parties lmao
Ironic that Guy Fawkes, a Catholic extremist that wanted to reinstate a theocracy is now a symbol of resistance
Sad that real revolutionaries aren't well known.
Like Ida Mett, Nestor Makhno, Angela Davis, Lucy Parsons, Peter Kropotkin and Buenaventura Durruti.
@@superbananas7792 it's not sad, anarchy = degeneracy
@@masrr3678 Oh look, a fash!
@@superbananas7792 fascist? Far from it compadre. I just don't believe in anarchy it causes social immorality.
@@masrr3678 Calls people degenerates and then claims "I'm not a fascist"....don't lie, we both know what you are.
So free and equality for all, the MOP being owned completely by the workers etc etc etc is "social immortality".
The fuck is "moral" to someone who calls people degenerates?
Never bring a knife to a gun fight unless your Vendetta.
His name was V
For Vendetta
@@StuartLugsden No for five, he was in cell 5. He just happens to have a vendetta.
Ideas are bulletproof.
His name is V
People shouldn't fear the government.
The government should fear the people.
Never a truer word spoken.
Oh there have been truer words spoken "The voice of a people is a dangerous thing when charged with wrath"
It’s a shame retard right wingers in America can’t help the working class anymore
@@eligio7907 What do you mean "anymore"? The right has never cared for the interests of anyone but the elites. Preserving traditional power structures is the entire reason they're on the right.
You can't reason well with fear and rage, no matter where it flows
@@cass7448 ahhh how refreshing, yet another person conflating everyone from minarchists and fascists into the same group known as "the right" and assigning them all authoritarian ideologies.
As I recall Adam Sutler was once an outer party member of Ingsoc!
John Hurt played both characters well imo
yeah but Adam Sutler is a code name is true name is obviously Winston
_"The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference... in the world."_
_-G-Man_
Remember, remember the 5th of November
How appropriate Templin for this release on this day
Nathan H Damnit you beat me to it.
And this is the textbook definition of irony, kids.
I’m 99.9% certain they did it on purpose.
Indeed and this is why Parliament shouldn't have sessions on November 5th.
XD.
November 5th UK
*Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture begins playing as fireworks begin*
Let the revolution commence!
Put it on the blacklist! I never want to that music again!
More music!
Tukhachevsky's Overture.
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
Good to see Winston went on to have a revolution and became his own big brother
The film was a fine adaption and all, but the graphic novel was much better and more thought-provoking. V was less of a heroic figure and more of a psychopath who made some valid points about tyranny.
Well that would be because you're comparing the guy who wrote Watchmen, Batman The Killing Joke and Superman Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow to the two who made the Matrix sequels.
Laughing Lizard elaborate
I like how John Hurt went from rebellious citizen to leader of a faschist party
Poor Britain
From Oceania to Norsefire in just twenty years
Fascists usually start out as rebels, only to succeed and institute their vision.
When is it said that he was a rebellious citizen?
@@mikhaelganapolsky755 In the movie "Nineteen Eighty Four", he plays a rebellious citizen of a dystopian society.
And Hugo Weawing Went from Resistance Fighter to enforcer Programm. And If we want to continue the Chain we need Lawrence fishburn to become a dictator or Police officer
The Dialouge between V and the Statue of Justice in the Original Comic before he blows her up is wonderful.
Never could get over blowing up the Parliament part.
No enemy forces or politicians were within the building at the time and by the time of the destruction V had already won.
Tragic waste of a historical site.
TheIcelandicPrincess it’s supposed to be symbolic, it symbolizes the destruction of the government
V took his theming very seriously. He went with the Guy Fawkes thing and dammit he's going to play that card to the end.
@@maximusmedia8412 I know but as a amateur historian i would be devastated had it actually happened.
The building has not committed any crimes and stood as a symbol of British way of life for centuries. Few bad years don't erase that.
@@The_Daily_Tomato Think of it as cleaning the slate clean. Also buildings can be rebuilt. V as mentioned takes his theming very seriously. Its even likely that there was nothing left in the building either given Norsfire nationalistic views and hostility to the older government. Its likely relics and items were stripped and the building was simply a shell by the time V blew it up. It was a shallow symbol for Norsefire to use on the people. V used it as a symbol for hope and freedom
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent I know the intend was well meant but i cannot condone it's destruction.
It served no military purpose and posed no threat. Blowing it up would be like blowing up the White House or Himeji Castle. Immense historical value lost forever. Such loss cannot be rebuilt.
Wonderful Irony is that Sir John Hurt (Winston Smith) from 1984 played the dictator in V for Vendetta.
Casting John Hurt in this movie is a testament of the genius in storytelling by the Wachowskis, Hurt being in the movie 1984.
Yeah, but since then they've lost their marbles.
@@yodasmomisondrugs7959 I see what you did there.
Now I finally got the joke that's in every 3rd comment under this video
Please allow me to suggest the character of this dramatis Persona:
Voilà! In View, a humble Vaudevillian Veteran, cast Vicariously as both Victim and Villian by the Vicissitudes of Fate. This Visage, no mere Veneer of Vanity, is a Vestige of the Vox populi, now vacant, Vanished.
However, this Valorous Visitation of a by-gone Vexation, stands ViVified and has Vowed to Vanquish these Venal and Virulent Vermin Vanguarding Vice and Vouchsafing the Violently Vicious and Voracious Violation of Volition. The only Verdict is Vengence; a Vendetta, held as a Votive, not in Vain, for the Value and Veracity of such shall one day Vindicate the Vigilant and the Virtuous.
Verily, this Vichyssoise of Verbiage Veers most Verbose, so let me simply add that it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me
V.
Quite an impressive Vernacular you have there, much is the broadness of your Vocabulary, shame this does not run in more people's Veins.
Are you like a crazy person?
So many Vs
V for Vendetta the only movie that made me read a dictionary
That's a bloody tongue twister
DIRECT RULE FROM LONDON
Kaiserreich?
Mosley
Wrong fascist lol
Interesting quote lmao
“The St Mary’s virus killed 100,000 people across the United Kingdom”
COVID-19: “Hold my beer”
it killed more than 6 million!
St Mary’s virus is an allusion to 1999 Apartmets bombings in Russia
How fitting that you do this video on November the 5th. I watch this movie every single year on Nov. 5th, without fail. It was an amazing movie, and it reminds me of what we are facing today. Another great video, Templin!
I kinda want to see a prequel portraying the events leading up to the events of the book/film.
same
V for Vendetta was a superb movie! You've made me want to rewatch it now.
Remember remember, the Fifth of November!
"Remember, remember, the SIXTH of November!"
I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.
DocWolph get out.
Norse fire seems pretty reasonable.
I am so glad this came out today. I actually wore a Guy Fawkes mask all day today just for the 5th of November.
Mum can we have INGSOC?
No we have INGSOC at home.
INGSOC at home:
Kindness through empathy! Empathy through knowledge!
☝️This!
Ever heard the saying "Familiarity breeds contempt."? There's a reason.
Jean-Luc Martel
Oh then what exactly happened in Russia circa the early 20th century? Or China?
WatcherOfShadows Contempt originates from being familiar to the suffering some people cause, not from the suffering of people we empathize with.
Arturo Reyes Cortez
And you're rationalizing..... Poorly.
Governments should be afraid of their people. Yes, but governments need reminding of this occasionally. Perhaps the UK government will get a long overdue wake up call soon.
The uk is so afraid of their people that the police are confiscating bike wheels
Germany as well
Well isnt current course of UK government essentialy based on majority vote of the people it did not want to do in first place?
I would say UK government at the moment is the only one afraid of its people... because really - how many times will you vote on the thing?
We "east" of former iron curtain generaly say that if Brusels was afraid of its people as much as british government is of the british - they would not have voted this way.
But I will tell you what is the problem with EU...
most of western Europe at the moment (with economical rubbish like house ownership, income of youth... etc.) wants to try socialism (Corbyn, Melenchon, Macron, even Italian antibrusels government)
We east of Iron curtain still remembers the pile of sh... it brought us under soviets. We have no interest in repeat of that. Thus, as "mainstream" parties push left because they want to maitain ties to EU´s money, the general push agaist it goes right.
in the end its really the Starship trooper (book) argument.
"what is the justification for continuation of our system?" "I have given you a trick question - its justification is the justification of any system of any kind: IT WORKS SATISFACTORILY."
People will maintain any system that will feed them, house them, meet their healt and "realization" needs - akka - they will feel sufficiently free to pursuit own agendas under it within reason of not harming significant majority.
IF system fails ANY of that, it will accumulate dissent, and eventually by feedback from surpression will collapse.
A system in which many young cant afford living space in which to start and rise family will destroy itself by fact that in 2 generations there will be no generation to really maintain it. (sure it can be relieved by influx of imigrants who will want to participate and maintain the system and not want to replace it by another one)
@@Paerigos your projecting is pathetic.
The problem with the EU is that it's a corporate organisation designed to sideline democracy in order to reinstate the same laisses faire capitalism that inevitably leads to the same chain of events that led to both of the 20th century world wars.
*later the concept was ran into the ground by neckbeards and edgelords, never to recover*
expoct us
We are anomalous
We are legume
Expecto Patronum
He was Edmond Dantes. And he was my father, and my mother, my brother, my friend. He was you, and me. He was all of us.
6:35 Yes, I'm sure that after the fall of a centralized government people will be able to regulate themselves, not creating any kind of internal conflict.
Shhh...don't question the movie logic it's a pro left( traditional left...not modern one that acts like Norsefire ) pro anarchist movie. It operates in fiction alone, the fact that the main character could survive bullets and massacre entire armies with just a knife should prove that.
@@WallNutBreaker524
"It operates in fiction alone"
The same can be said for most of the "conservative fanfic" out there.
2005: Interesting and thought provoking
2021: Terrifying and actually happening.
Big Brother is watching you!
Also John Hurt.( May he Rest in Peace)
The movie was awesome.
Both V and Norsefire stands on the different spectrums of extremes. Ideally, we should always try to found ourselves in the middle.
Fun fact
The actor who played V was Hugo Weaving , who also played the role of red skull
Worth noting that the Norsefire of the comics is somewhat different - its rule (which is only really in England with Scotland said to be a hotbed of insurgency) relies on the Fate supercomputer, which dictator Adam Susan (not Sutler) uses personally to manage the State, and with whom he is infatuated - unknown to him Fate has already been compromised by V who uses it to feed him false reports. The 'Voice of Fate' broadcast is presented as the computer's own voice but is in fact read by Lewis Prothero, whose voice has become synonymous with the machine in the mind of the public. There's also no virus in the comics - rather, Norsefire take power after a brutal nuclear war destroys most of the world (they are suggested to have benefited from a previous left-wing government that abolished Britain's nuclear deterrent, meaning they were spared).
Unlike the film Norsefire which nods to semi-Evangelical sounding religious beliefs but otherwise does not seem to have a state religion, the Church of England is an integral part of the regime in the comics, with corrupt vicars holding powerful positions similar to clerical fascism under the Franco regime. The film also removes one of the comic's most disturbing aspects - Norsefire euthanises old people to conserve resources, euphemistically referred as being 'sent to a home'. An official at one point challenges another, saying the 'homes' are really gas chambers - only to be told that no, there are no gas chambers, just "just three good South Kent boys with iron bars", suggesting the eventual fate of all British citizens is to be beaten to death to save money. Norsefire officials in good standing are able to get 'exemptions' for their family - with the fear that should they fall out of the regime's graces, their parents will be killed.
Feels very close to home for what's happening in the US right now.
V: Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villian by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengence; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. (giggles) Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.
Evey: Are you like a crazy person?
V: I'm quite sure they will say so.
I’m a huge fan of v day and v for vendetta but the way you documented this political party gave me notes for a fictional political party I’m creating for my campaign game you got a new subscriber 😁👍
“ People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people”
Absolutely true.
Anyone in a position of power needs to be afraid ..otherwise its a dictatorship... Power corrupts absolute power corrupts completely..... Food for thought.....
Meh, more like pablum for the disillusioned masses. I can see its appeal though.
"Hurr Durr ideas are stronger than bullets, that's why I use bombs"
This might be the stupidest fucking plot point ever.
Perfect 5th of November video!!
Remember, remember, the 5th of November. The gun powder treason and plot. I can think of no reason the gun powder treason should ever be forgot.
I can't help but finding V for Vendetta a movie that says actions speak louder than words, not that words retain their power.
Especially after killing and butchering his way to victory and then blow up the seat of government. Those weren't words or ideas!
Ok, what was the thing that inspired V to take the actions he did? Ideas and words.
Why didn't the UK citizens think of V as a terrorist madman? Because his words and ideas made their impact on them. Ideas are the base.
What a tremendous story this was - and Norsefire as an antagonist was terrifically penned. The real life comparisons are limitless
When they blew up Parliament i was half-expecting the Dad's Army theme song
"Who do you think you are kidding Mr.Hitler, if you think old England's gone?"
I just love watching this video while my stellaris is running in the background, creating the perfect background music
I love when this channel throws surprises at us. I have not seen the movie or read the graphic novel in a long time. And this video brought to light so many things I did not understand when I first saw the movie. Great work.
Remember, remember
The fifth of November
The gunpowder treason and plot
I see no reason why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot
"The Ear..." How TERRIFYING.
@Travis Reed They hear... _everything._
I really enjoyed this one, great work!
Great video as always, Templin Institute, especially considering how increasingly relevant this film and the comic it’s based on have become in recent years!
Basically Russia under Putin right now
Not even close
@@johnseppethe2nd2 whatever you say, (z)ombie
@@johnseppethe2nd2no this is basically how Russia under Putin works.
ANARCHY IN THE UK!!!!!
Say no to Anarchy and Fascism. Both lead to death.
No @@joedredd1168 , anarchy does not necessarily lead to death. Anarchy is a system of organization that does not *need* nor *want* death.
That was one of my favorite scenes in the movie
@@SeanNaut anarchy, in any scale larger than a handful of close friends, by default will always devolve to autocracy or oligarchy.
@@SeanNaut
It is an unachievable system, that is not harmful in theory, however the attempts to install it certainly *are*.
it is the same with communism
Ideas and bullets sometimes go hand in hand such as when you have to fight for your ideas . Those in power rarely relinquish it so easily and sometimes you need those bullets to clear away the old order and usher in your ideas
I miss the In-Universe perspective of earlier videos. Everybody can retell stories, but the Templin Institute did a great job telling them from an "official" perspective in the past.
Strengh throught unity, Unity throught faith
My ( whatever ) right or wrong ...sound familiar... Dictatorships Run that way. ....food for thought....
Love your channel about the special content you have, I even listen to your Star wars content of Thrawn, Confederacy, and First Order every day.
Norsefire: Nordic superiority!
Nordic countries: *Amateurs*
Was expecting a discussion of Norsefire's likelihood or comparison between film and comic, oh well, it was very well narrated.
This is way to close to home these days. It's genuinely insane how the puplic willingly voted away their freedom thanks to the Tories and their press influence beside us.
What freedoms did we lose?
@@SamuelBlack84 Right to protest with a recent bill
@@lyca0n535 I don't plan on protesting about anything anyway
@@SamuelBlack84 What a bootlicking attitude
@@lyca0n535 Not at all, I just don't care either way. The world can collapse into madness and misery so long as it leaves me alone
V: People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
V: The past can't hurt you anymore, unless you let it
.
Give me a Viking funeral. Send me to Valhalla
Should make another video focused on Alan Moore's original version and history of the party.
Every time I think of today's craziness in the UK with Brexit and the like it feels so much similar to the backstory of Norsefire and V for Vendetta. That or the last moments of Titanic.
Why do you explain the canon of the movie instead of the graphic novel? There is much more to be expanded upon in the later.
JohnnyElRed most likely because a lot more people know the movie. I know I saw the movie and loved it before I ever even knew a comic existed.
Well to be fair, it was the Movie not the Graphic Novel that was uploaded to Netflix recently
Too bad. The movie is missing the Storm Saxon show.
@@grayscribe1342 it's in there. The security guard in the TV tower is watching it when V shows up
Does the graphic novel explain how with a massive power vacuum, Britain immediately degenerates into anarchy, civil war, starvation, poverty and destruction? If not, I call shenanigans.
Norsefire had to go; that much is indisputable, but V was just a terrorist - nothing more, nothing less. His actions were ill-considered and doomed hundreds of thousands to death and suffering. It's one thing to topple a regime; it's quite another to put something better in its place. All that's going to happen after that grand display is that some warlord or another will seize power and things will be just as bad as before.
The comic version had a bleak ending where Norsefire is implied to just be replaced by another totalitarian regime
Really? I read the Novel years ago now so I can't remember. Who replaced it?
@@PBI45kim jong un
Always liked to think that Norsefire eventually led to 1984's Oceania
That collapsed to, just a few years after the events of the book, Orwell confirmed as much.
@@DaDunge
Was Oceania an actually nightmarish version of the British Empire or just a British North Korea?
Its actually the other way
Oh...I thought I was watching the news.
I hope to see sci-fi empires next, I really want a video on the Forerunners.
Strength Through Unity, Unity Through Faith sounds like the slogan of the current leading presidential candidate for the 2022 elections survey, and also a son a dictator.
Amazing work as always !! If I am not wrong, seems that in V, England and Norsefire are still running America as a colony.
100,000 deaths doesn’t hit quite as hard now
This looks fairly familiar ..
You better not be questioning the coof lockdowns. The liberals of the world will label you as a spreader of misinformation if you dare question the lockdowns.
@@funveeable Funny how liberals will never question their own goverment.
Another fantastic video - thank you! 👍🏻
This was such an awesome movie!
I like it when I am surprised with what this channel produces.
This was good...very good.
And timely...very timely indeed.
Do a video on the Republic of Gilead from The Handmaid's Tale
And with the home power defeated, foreign powers circled like vultures.
Governments should be afraid of the people.... Yes.. this vid IS about an alternate reality.
"The Norsefire party came to power after winning a stunning 87% of the popular vote." So the first-past-the-post voting system had already been abolished in this universe? At least that part is better than what exists :D
Ironically enough, it would probably be Norsefire that introduced proportional represenatation for Parliament
Rememberremember, the fifth of Novenver. Gun powder treason and plot, I see no reason why the gun powder treason should ever be forgot
Watching this in late August 2020, it seems erily profetic....
Yo!!! This was one of my favourite books back in the day......nice vid.
My favourite film of all time. The message really resonates with me.
it sucks
Sounds good. As long as Corbyne gets slotted.
A fitting profile before the American midterms.
Imagine being a tourist who wanted to see Big Ben only to realize it blew up.
V for Vendetta - The training film for Covid 19
This video was well narrated and presented.
LONG LIVE V!!!!!!!!!
Seeing what is happening around the worldright now, I am terrified.
there's something hilariously foretelling (from the 1980s when it was written anyway) about Adam Susan being a literal balding basement-dweller attached to his virtual waifu
Ideas cannot be killed, they can only be replaced with better ones.
@Psy-framelord Zeta Decades?
You must be one of those glass half full types.