Quake II on a 386DX-40: Is it possible?

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  • @sjogosPT
    @sjogosPT Рік тому +29

    If this game came out when 386 was on market, by the time you finish the game, the Pentium 2 had been already on market.

  • @M3MB3Rrr
    @M3MB3Rrr 3 роки тому +51

    I really love the part how much effort you put into filming the hw components.

  • @Wapitiii
    @Wapitiii 3 роки тому +15

    Seems like the algorithm has chosen you, also nice shots and video quality

  • @C64Lover
    @C64Lover 6 місяців тому +1

    This is how you played TOTAL ECLIPSE on Commodore 64

  • @DavedeSade
    @DavedeSade 3 роки тому +28

    I can run Quake 2 on my Amiga (060@50 MHz) relatively playable, also port for Nintendo DS was very smooth. This 386 is impressive in a sense too, but I'd say most of performance is eaten by Windows :).

    • @automatedinsanity
      @automatedinsanity 2 роки тому +6

      There is a dos source port of quake 2 that can be tried out

    • @tosgem
      @tosgem 2 роки тому +12

      A 68060 is not a fair comparison with a 386. It's almost 10 years newer and made to compete with the Pentium

    • @Aeduo
      @Aeduo 10 місяців тому

      More RAM would've probably helped a fair bit. This is probably swapping a _lot_. Also a 3D accelerator would probably help too. I imagine the DS too while primitive, was probably a bit more optimized for the sort of math needed for this too, and the port might've even been using the DS's 3D hardware.

    • @mariowario5945
      @mariowario5945 2 місяці тому

      1 thing you didnt mention was how the ds port uses hardware acceleration and cannot. Just software rendering, and has massively reduced texture sizes

  • @HoistusMaximus
    @HoistusMaximus Рік тому +11

    Shows how fast technology was moving back then. You'd fully expect to run a new game on 7 or 8 year old hardware now, admittedly with concessions

    • @gazman9468
      @gazman9468 10 місяців тому +3

      This 1000x. Feel lucky to have lived through this period and seen how games advanced from EGA even CGA graphics up til today. The evolution of games in the last 10 years feels like a snails pace by comparison and the "jump" from GTA 4 to 5 to 6 graphics so small compared to what was experienced year to year in the 90s.

    • @HoistusMaximus
      @HoistusMaximus 10 місяців тому +3

      @@gazman9468, it's just the law of diminishing gains, really. 1080p to 4k is a nice jump, but 240p to 480p was crazy. 60fps to 120 again nice, but 15fps to 30 was just incredible. Twice the power gets you graphics which look at tops 25% better. Ray-tracing epitomises this. Love seeing the screenshots, but think of the power it takes and then - especially with a fast-paced game - how you have to consciously look for it. Admittedly screenspace reflections can be quite noticeable in their behaviour once you are used to RT.

    • @RuruFIN
      @RuruFIN 7 місяців тому +2

      Exactly. Now when you think, what we had 7 years ago? 1st gen Ryzen and Kaby Lake, perfectly usable hardware in every way.

    • @C64Lover
      @C64Lover 6 місяців тому

      @@RuruFIN 2gen intel core (2011) is perfectly useable in 2024, especially these 4c/8t i7

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

      @@RuruFIN same case with GTX 1060

  • @ThiagoPerroni
    @ThiagoPerroni 10 місяців тому +1

    well, at least its ran at 1FPS ;) A 386 machine was slow for games as Doom1, Doom2, Herect, Hexxen. But ran well with games like The Lost Vikings, Prehistoric, Tiryan, Pinball

  • @Txm_Dxr_Bxss
    @Txm_Dxr_Bxss Рік тому +1

    What kind of chip you got in there? A Dorito? It's all about the Pentiums baby.

  • @Crisot.
    @Crisot. 2 роки тому +8

    I'm nearly suprised it runs "that fast". Great.

  • @nathanddrews
    @nathanddrews Рік тому +6

    This is how it feels playing Quake II RTX on my 1080 Ti.

  • @greensun1334
    @greensun1334 5 місяців тому +2

    It's running, but at about 1fps... Can't you go further down with details and resolution?

  • @Naudia93
    @Naudia93 3 роки тому +12

    This reminds me of trying to run Quake 1 on a 486sx/25 with dx4/75 overdrive clocked to 100mhz ⏱👀🤡🌎

    • @RetroPeKar
      @RetroPeKar 11 місяців тому +2

      'Trying to'?.. With the DX4-100 it should be fairly playable @ 320x200. Then again, it was less than perfect on my P90, so..

    • @Aeduo
      @Aeduo 10 місяців тому

      @@RetroPeKar I would guess it would be pretty miserable in fast action.

  • @intel386DX
    @intel386DX 11 місяців тому +3

    Fantastic video! Try Quake 2 DOS port as well :)

  • @RetroPeKar
    @RetroPeKar 11 місяців тому +5

    I'm calling this the undisputed best ever in terms of filming retro hardware. And the result in Q2 is impressive, too! But.. 20MB of RAM?..

    • @gazman9468
      @gazman9468 10 місяців тому +2

      I had 7MB on my 386 SX setup 😆

  • @gurujoe75
    @gurujoe75 Рік тому +3

    Quake is explicitly tailored to the Pentium architecture. The transformation of the space relies on a powerful FPU. For i386, this would have to be done completely differently, and a much better result would come from using integer arithmetic.

  • @coolpinguin3624
    @coolpinguin3624 2 роки тому +3

    And now we are having not frames per second, but seconds per frame.

  • @YouSoSpice
    @YouSoSpice 3 роки тому +3

    there is undeniable beauty in the old hardware

  • @EarthIsChillin
    @EarthIsChillin Рік тому +2

    I laughed when you made the screen smaller and you could actually tell it was performing like..... 0.001% better lol. Cool idea with these videos btw.

  • @Aranimda
    @Aranimda 3 роки тому +2

    Hm, it needs a 3DFX Voodoo card but I don't think any PCI boards exist for 386 processors. PCI was a Pentium-era technology.

    • @Aiyoros
      @Aiyoros 2 роки тому +2

      Pci existed since 486 era. You can play glquake with a 486. Cpu galaxy did a video about it

  • @legiran9564
    @legiran9564 Рік тому +1

    386DX: "Kill Me, Now!"

  • @soldiersvejk2053
    @soldiersvejk2053 3 роки тому +4

    20MB ram in 1989? My first computer in 2003 had only 256MB.

    • @albalog2449
      @albalog2449 Рік тому +1

      He maxed-out the 1989 motherboard, 20mb was very high-end at the time. I got my first PC in December 1996 and it came with 64mb ram, but it could handle 512mb ram (a 64mb stick for each of the 8 slots). But it would have cost like $4,000 dollars to max out the boards when those PCs were new. The slots were there so when ram got cheap, your computer had longevity and not go obsolete too quickly.

  • @lydialoud
    @lydialoud 2 роки тому

    I really like your style of video editing, very nice

  • @cuttingedgeretro9164
    @cuttingedgeretro9164 3 роки тому +2

    This is like 05.fps/s amazing 386 can run. Nice video edit

  • @gazman9468
    @gazman9468 10 місяців тому

    Watching this video reminds of the pain of playing through Doom 2 at "OK" framerates but in VGA on my 386 SX 16mhz - twice as slow as this system. Then going to my friends house where he'd just bought a 486 DX2-66 and being blown away at the game running smoothly in SVGA.

    • @plasmaastronaut
      @plasmaastronaut 10 місяців тому

      SVGA is at least 800x600
      doom2 ran at 320x200 in 1994

    • @C64Lover
      @C64Lover 6 місяців тому

      Doom didn't support SVGA but on dx2/66 with VLB garphics card Doom2 ran perfectly

    • @C64Lover
      @C64Lover 6 місяців тому

      @@plasmaastronaut that SVGA sticking to 800x600 is a bit misleading because in reality 640x480 256 colors was SVGA too as VGA could do 640x480 in 16 colors only.

  • @ianmcass
    @ianmcass 3 роки тому +8

    Now you need to work out how to install a 3dfx on a 386 system :)

    • @jakubkrcma
      @jakubkrcma Рік тому +1

      Easy. Take a pen and write 3dfx on the case! 🤣

  • @RufianEmbozado
    @RufianEmbozado 3 роки тому +1

    So... Quake II RPG edition. Nice.

  • @bigalejoshileno
    @bigalejoshileno 6 місяців тому

    this would be way better with a minimal 3d acceleration. Quake II was not intended to be run using the software renderer, as Quake I

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

      it wouldn't work better even with full RTX acceleration, because this CPU only has 275000 transistors for god's sake XD

  • @czviktor
    @czviktor 9 місяців тому

    Its like 3D Freescape engine on ZX Spectrum 👍

  • @davidmacfarlane4761
    @davidmacfarlane4761 3 роки тому +8

    But can it run Crysis?

  • @Devilot91
    @Devilot91 3 роки тому +4

    Literally a showslide. This is how my pc in 2021 runs cyberfk 2077.

    • @thecount25
      @thecount25 3 роки тому +1

      Imagine if you could run it on a 386!

    • @Devilot91
      @Devilot91 3 роки тому

      @@thecount25 Gold times..

  • @Caleb-fv5fp
    @Caleb-fv5fp 2 роки тому +1

    I’ll never complain about getting 25 fps in quake II on my pc again

  • @CowsR4me
    @CowsR4me 3 роки тому +1

    so funny even when shrunk down its barely 1fps, the frames match the video time almost exactly

  • @moeschizlac
    @moeschizlac 3 роки тому +2

    The Tseng Labs ET4000ax graphics card has no hardware acceleration. The ET4000/w32i does have hardware acceleration and can have a maximum 4mb ram. Upgrading the graphics card would have made a difference. An ATI Mach 32 or a 64 ISA would have ran this better.

    • @command_line_channel
      @command_line_channel  3 роки тому +4

      The whole thing runs thanks to Open GL software emulation using Scitech GLDirect on CPU. But you are right, the AX card is not top of the line. The Mach 64 ISA is kinda rare and very expensive. I have VLB ET4000 W32i, ARK, S3 Trio64 and a number of other cards. It would be interesting to put together a VLB 386 and redo the test one day.

    • @nng1979
      @nng1979 Рік тому

      @@command_line_channel did the 386 boards even support VLB graphics? I would like to see how the likes of Matrox, Mach64 or Diamond Stealth would've paired with a 386DX. My old DX- 40 was paired with a ISA bus Trident SVGA w/ 512k vram

    • @Txm_Dxr_Bxss
      @Txm_Dxr_Bxss Рік тому

      @@nng1979 There are some boards that support VLB on a 386. But they are very uncommon.

  • @marcin.the.gamer.
    @marcin.the.gamer. 3 роки тому +1

    about 0,6 - 0,7 fps ? still palyable and amazing

  • @jaybird57
    @jaybird57 2 роки тому +1

    My p5 100 plays this at about 10fps. 16mb ram, s3 verge. Plays winquake at 20frames an is playable.

  • @kennethober6626
    @kennethober6626 Рік тому

    I’m going to start posting different cpus Using PCEM with this game. I tested it on an emulate Pentium 90 and 133 and it’s indistinguishable from the real thing. BTW, a 486 DX2 40 runs the exact same in 1024x767

  • @zemaj0
    @zemaj0 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video I would like to see doom 1 and 2 quake 1 running

  • @jakubkrcma
    @jakubkrcma Рік тому

    WONDERFUL SLICK PRESENTATION!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @williamberry4597
    @williamberry4597 3 роки тому

    Pain! But I kept watching it.

  • @Pulverrostmannen
    @Pulverrostmannen 11 місяців тому +1

    Well I guess you could Matrix your way through the game and have a good amount of time to plan your attacks if it wasn´t for that input lag 😅

    • @Aeduo
      @Aeduo 10 місяців тому

      While recording a demo, then you could see it played back kinda like a TAS run of the game. :p

    • @Pulverrostmannen
      @Pulverrostmannen 10 місяців тому

      @@Aeduo Indeed lol

  • @ziscer7570
    @ziscer7570 3 роки тому

    Quake 2: Rogue Edition

  • @StormkeeperPU
    @StormkeeperPU 3 роки тому

    Possible to run, but not possible to play... Still, it's impressive that it can run it at all!

  • @RodBeauvex
    @RodBeauvex 4 роки тому +4

    Did you speed up the section where Windows 95 loads? If not, then that's mildly impressive.

  •  11 місяців тому

    Quake 2 as a turn based game

  • @brookrichardson1373
    @brookrichardson1373 2 роки тому +1

    I was surprised you could run Windows95.

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому +1

      win95 will run on any 386 with 4 MB RAM provided

  • @mikeb3172
    @mikeb3172 Рік тому

    At least have 2MBx8 RAM for dual interleave.

  • @ArmotonAnselmo
    @ArmotonAnselmo 3 роки тому +1

    Put soundcard off

  • @realfamiliarfez
    @realfamiliarfez Рік тому

    they never said could it run quake ii *well*

  • @pointblank722
    @pointblank722 6 місяців тому

    those wait states are high..

  • @pankoza
    @pankoza 2 роки тому

    still faster than on school pc

  • @thewhyzer
    @thewhyzer 10 місяців тому +1

    What if you paired the 386dx40 with a GTX 4090 - would it run Quake 2 any better? :D

    • @Aeduo
      @Aeduo 10 місяців тому +1

      Not necessarily an invalid question but a 3D accelerator might've helped. there were some PCI 486 motherboards that could maybe take a 3DFX card or some earlier nvidia/ati, though I think they're fairly hamstrung by bus speed/width so it certainly wouldn't be ideal, but nothing about this is.

  • @MichaelMuryn
    @MichaelMuryn 3 роки тому

    I put the playback speed at 0.25x, it reminds me of my Atari 2600.

  • @RetroGamerBB
    @RetroGamerBB 3 роки тому

    My old 386 played doom like a slide show.

  • @fenixlolnope361
    @fenixlolnope361 Рік тому

    What about with a 3D accelerator though? I’m assuming you don’t have VLB or PCI

    • @sjogosPT
      @sjogosPT Рік тому

      386 predates VLB and PCI. I don’t think there are any motherboards with VLB and 386. ISA bus speed only became a problem with 486.
      Maybe there are any motherboard with VLB and 386. There are some motherboards that supported both cpus. Iam not sure if they have VLB.

    • @fenixlolnope361
      @fenixlolnope361 Рік тому +1

      @@sjogosPT that’s what I figured. Really asking it to do OpenGL calls would probably not be helping matters any anyways with that tiny bus

    • @sjogosPT
      @sjogosPT Рік тому +1

      @@fenixlolnope361 from my research there are 386/486 hybrid motherboards that support vlb. But VLB on 386 doesn’t allways work from what i read.
      There are a DOS port of quake2. Maybe have better performance on 386 even without the VLB card.

  • @dontmindmejustwatching
    @dontmindmejustwatching 3 роки тому

    Yo please do a timelaps video as you did with Q3 so it would seem as if it's running in 30 fps over hours of actual rendering ))))

  • @JohnDoe-ml8ru
    @JohnDoe-ml8ru 2 роки тому

    You gotta 486 DLC that thing. XD

  • @ivanborsuk1110
    @ivanborsuk1110 10 місяців тому

    i've run diablo I on 386dx40

  • @dastardlyman
    @dastardlyman 3 роки тому

    NO is the answer. next question please

  • @Roskjaer79
    @Roskjaer79 3 роки тому +1

    Wow 😍 43 subs? 4 real?
    Soon to be 50k

  • @hotmultimedia
    @hotmultimedia 3 роки тому

    so this is not the original software renderer?

  • @ravengaming4143
    @ravengaming4143 3 роки тому

    Try on 486 DX2.

  • @byteframe_primarydataloop
    @byteframe_primarydataloop 3 роки тому

    This can't be real.

  • @autumn_rain
    @autumn_rain Рік тому

    performance same as Doom on C64

  • @tolkkiz
    @tolkkiz 3 роки тому

    Technology advanced fast in the 90s, 4-5 year old pcs couldn't even run modern Windows, now imagine if a pc from 2016 couldn't run Win10....

    • @CypherCod
      @CypherCod 3 роки тому +1

      @SleepyKitteh Yes indeed. But the difference is that, back in the 90s, old PCs could not run new software because of hardware limitations... and now is just greed.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 3 роки тому

      @@CypherCod greed on whose part?

  • @pastaferian5798
    @pastaferian5798 3 роки тому

    But it does not has raytracing

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

      wth you're talking about? realtime raytracing wasn't even dreamed off in 1997 when the Quake II was released and it wasn't meant to run on CPU from 1985

  • @goranzarkovic7350
    @goranzarkovic7350 2 роки тому

    0.5fps :) ..but your 386 is a beast ;) 20mb of ram..20x more than i had on 286(1mb, or 1024kb heh)..also it had 4mhz(turbo mode turned it to 8mhz)

  • @Lagrange_Point_6
    @Lagrange_Point_6 3 роки тому

    Not bad SPF though, eh.

  • @dignes3446
    @dignes3446 10 місяців тому

    Looks like the answer was and still is: fok no.

  • @powerfulaura5166
    @powerfulaura5166 3 роки тому

    Try rendering it at sub-50p.

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

      1x1px could get 30 fps , i guess

  • @daskraut
    @daskraut 3 роки тому +1

    a whopping 2 -fps- spf

  • @woutermvt
    @woutermvt 3 роки тому

    Actually not that bad.. :P

  • @РусланЗаурбеков-з6е

    Great! Now try to skip to final boss battle, and defeat Macron. )))

  • @rob1104
    @rob1104 3 роки тому

    well id have to say the problem is that youre running in software mode and not in hardware for the gfx .. try putting in a voodo card that would fix it ..

    • @Frontman936
      @Frontman936 3 роки тому

      Can you get an ISA voodoo card?

  • @Reodhadh
    @Reodhadh 3 роки тому +1

    0.5fps is not playable. why did this need to be almost 20 mins long?

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

      you know nothing about playability

  • @HaroldoPinheiro-OK
    @HaroldoPinheiro-OK 10 місяців тому

    Coool! But can it run Crysis? 😜

    • @jannowak9639
      @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

      yes, it can run when you use black magic spells xD

  • @mittemot4949
    @mittemot4949 10 місяців тому

    too speed

  • @cyklop1977
    @cyklop1977 3 роки тому +1

    999fps

  • @culturalopponent8035
    @culturalopponent8035 3 роки тому

    Последние 14 минут ни о чём. Можно было уложиться и в 3 минуты.

    • @command_line_channel
      @command_line_channel  3 роки тому

      Quake III на 386. Всего 2:38 :) ua-cam.com/video/DlxlOtupnUc/v-deo.html

  • @vuvinh2032
    @vuvinh2032 3 роки тому

    lagggggggggg

  • @jannowak9639
    @jannowak9639 12 днів тому

    Did it even have FPU copro installed? xD