Holy crap, that comparison goes far beyond what most people would consider a thorough test. You chose Quake as your benchmark - and it is OK, but it is also FPU - heavy game, so no wonder that Pentium architecture based CPUs got ahead. Regarding that damaged memory slot - it costs almost nothing to replace those as it takes only hotair rework station and a bit of flux. Greetings from Poland!
The Cyrix 586 and heavily overclocked AMD 5x86 (at 120 & 160 mhz+ respectively) could outperform a Pentium OD chip in a socket 3 system with all other components being equal... The disabled Cyrix instruction sets that made them less stable in Windows were generally fine in DOS and gave a huge boost in gaming performance in socket 3 compared to even the Pentium OD, while the simpler AMD design tended to overclock better to attack performance with raw integer performance... but they simply aren't competitive with most systems socket 5 and beyond. A hotair rework station isn't something most people have, so I would respectfully disagree that it "costs almost nothing" to rework that damaged memory slot UNLESS one already has a significant investment in their electronics repair workbench tooling.
quake is a great benchmark because it was the application that pretty much killed 486. i played it on my dx4 100 but it was kinda painful. i had to use a small window to get a playable 20ish fps average.
Отличная работа, замечательный видеоряд, большое количество видеокарт на сравнении. Спасибо большое вам за эти тесты. Откровенно говоря я ставил на Cirrus Logic, думал она будет первой. Много в видео меня удивило и дало новые знания. Правда в своем 486 я использую PCI видеокарту 3 ViRGE. Мой 486 основан на более современной материнской плате и содержит PCI разъемы. Продолжайте в том же духе, мне очень понравилось видео, я подписался!
I remember having some Trident VLB card booting @ 50 MHz bus (486DX4 in 50x2 mode). In those days I was able to "gain" some minor FPS'es by slowing down DRAM refresh rates by some utility (had very shitty DRAM with high CAS setup to be able to boot @ 50Mhz mode but it was still worth it). Fun video to watch :)
Wow what a test. I want to say I had around 15fps in quake on my amd 5x86 running at 150mhz(3x50) with a Diamond Stealth 32 1mb vesa card. I don't remember how much cache I had in the board, but probably 256kb. In my case 150 was faster than 160mhz due to the faster bus, at least in Quake.
I had a Trident VLB (TGUI9400CXi maybe?) with 1M VRAM On mY 486DX2@66. Finally I managed to upgrade to a AMD 5x86@150MHzstable and the video card RAM to 2M. I was never able to play Quake or Starcraft and for that reason I later upgraded to pentium 166 with S3 Trio 3D2X PCI onboard with 2M VRAM. However, C&C Red Alert, Civilization 2, HOMM 2, Settlers, SimCity, Betrayal at Krondor, Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Wolfenstein 3D and many other games for dos or Win95 ran just fine on the old 486, enough for me to enjoy them.
Great video. Nicely shot. The only way to get more performance out of a Socket 3 board is with a Voodoo Graphics card. There's mobos out there with both VLB and PCI. So you can use your Pentium Overdrive and VLB cards.
Impressive.. i played quake on 3 different 486 machines and result was always meh. Your 486s at the end really impressed me deeply. Thanks for your work.
dude i've always wanted to do this. like nerd out tweaking and overclocking all the shit i couldn't back then because i was too young to know shit about that (only started overclocking with my pentium 2 400mhz). thanks for letting me live the dream by proxy.
This is an awesome video. Ive done some testing with the POD83 @83 mHz and it is indeed faster than AMD 5x86 @120 mHz in Quake. Only problem is that the POD83 is not very stable to overclock to 100 mHz on most 486 motherboards to get the same performance as shown here. What is strange in my system is that most everything works with the POD83 being overclocked to 100 mHz, except that quake boots up to run the benchmark, but then aborts back to dos right when the test run starts. I tried the test with vlb cards and isa cards, but same result, so it has to do with my motherboard bios and/or board jumpers. Currently, Im just running the AMD 5x86 @ 120 mHz paired with a diamond stealth 64 due to everything in the system running great. Quake suffers a bit, but I'll just run that on my dual pentium 3 machine.
I experienced obvious performance gains in some games (eg. death rally) when I upgraded from S3 Trio to Tseng Labs ET4000. It would be interesting to see how it would perform in Quake
I did really enjoy the format. Would watch more. For instance. Put a voodo, voodo2 on a 4x86 and see if glQuake does well? You could still use a VLB 2d card. And a pci card on some motherboards.
My results were practically the same as well. I have an MLE variant of an SiS 471 based board. Same CPU at 40x3 (no x4 support in the 471), with 32MB of 60ns FPM memory. My VLB graphics card is the WD 90C33 (Paradise) 1MB with 45ns memory. Very speedy in DOOM, but not a Quake warrior by any means. 😁
I just watched your 386 Quake 3 video and immediately found this one afterwards. Now try this 486 in a motherboard that supports PCI and try a Verite 2100 or Voodoo 1 in Quake 3...actually I have that setup so I can try it myself, I guess😂
Have you been able to run the am586-133 P75 at a 50MHz FSB? The multiplier for that CPU is set to 4x when you set the motherboard multiplier to 2x. So 3x50MHz FSB, 4x33MHz or 4x40Mhz would be very interesting to test on that board!
Unfortunately, this motherboard does not run at 50 MHz bus with this CPU at all, I have tried, and if I recall it right - it failed to boot on 40x4 setup. The only thing that worked, is 40x3.
excellent video and nice collection of VLB cards... a lot of time and dedication in this... BUT .. cpu galaxy is still the world record, his tests are based on pure 486 cpu, and he clarified that neither pentium overdrive nor chips were valid cyrix 5x86 for this test... your motherboard is socket 3, but the cpu is pentium technology adapted to the socket
You are absolutely right about the fact that Pentium Overdrive is not a 486. But, here was kinda point to max out a Socket 3 system with any CPU. And currently 26.7 FPS is a better result than 23.5 FPS from CPU Galaxy using the Overdrive. But initially, the purpose of the video was to test Chicony Ch-471A with all kinds of video cards, cache configurations and processors in Quake.
@@command_line_channel Ok, I get the concept, you could try to get a kingstone overdrive.. it's based on the AMD X5... by the way, I hadn't seen a VLB GPU collection.. congratulations
I have 5x86, which is 486 with more L1 cache, running at 3x50MHz, 1024kB cache on motherboard and trio32 based vlb graphics (like your's by Miro) and I get a bit under 17fps.
@@command_line_channel It's quite a dream machine. Only timings i had to loosen, were some cache timings. I guess i need 10ns cache chips, the 12ns don't cut it anymore. :P
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This is one of the most amazing tests I’ve ever seen. Fantastic work and much respect for countless hours invested to make it happen!
Absolutely incredible video, man! I wish I had such a collection of hardware in the late 90ties. Greeting from Latvia!
That was amazing to watch, to see all that hardware that we could only even dream of back in the day!
Holy crap, that comparison goes far beyond what most people would consider a thorough test.
You chose Quake as your benchmark - and it is OK, but it is also FPU - heavy game, so no wonder that Pentium architecture based CPUs got ahead.
Regarding that damaged memory slot - it costs almost nothing to replace those as it takes only hotair rework station and a bit of flux.
Greetings from Poland!
The Cyrix 586 and heavily overclocked AMD 5x86 (at 120 & 160 mhz+ respectively) could outperform a Pentium OD chip in a socket 3 system with all other components being equal... The disabled Cyrix instruction sets that made them less stable in Windows were generally fine in DOS and gave a huge boost in gaming performance in socket 3 compared to even the Pentium OD, while the simpler AMD design tended to overclock better to attack performance with raw integer performance... but they simply aren't competitive with most systems socket 5 and beyond.
A hotair rework station isn't something most people have, so I would respectfully disagree that it "costs almost nothing" to rework that damaged memory slot UNLESS one already has a significant investment in their electronics repair workbench tooling.
quake is a great benchmark because it was the application that pretty much killed 486. i played it on my dx4 100 but it was kinda painful. i had to use a small window to get a playable 20ish fps average.
Great video!! Amazing shots and nice testing! Thanks for mentioning my channel 😍👍🏻. Cheers, Peter
Loving the lighting / colour grading you've done with the shots of the hardware. Super cool video 👍
Отличная работа, замечательный видеоряд, большое количество видеокарт на сравнении. Спасибо большое вам за эти тесты. Откровенно говоря я ставил на Cirrus Logic, думал она будет первой. Много в видео меня удивило и дало новые знания. Правда в своем 486 я использую PCI видеокарту 3 ViRGE. Мой 486 основан на более современной материнской плате и содержит PCI разъемы. Продолжайте в том же духе, мне очень понравилось видео, я подписался!
those videos make me wanna build my own 486 setup and spend hours playing with it
Why does that “lo-fi” voice effect sound so soothing? Like a pilot speaking to the passengers over the intercom
I remember having some Trident VLB card booting @ 50 MHz bus (486DX4 in 50x2 mode). In those days I was able to "gain" some minor FPS'es by slowing down DRAM refresh rates by some utility (had very shitty DRAM with high CAS setup to be able to boot @ 50Mhz mode but it was still worth it).
Fun video to watch :)
Megablast merchant. GG
Awesome! I hope that some day you will test the Creative 3D Blaster VLB (Permedia Glint).
That was sweet! Really nice collection you got there.
This deserves 100 times more views
Nice video! So many useful results here :)
I am mow waiting for my PODPs.
Happy to be your 386th subscriber (for hopefully obvious reasons)
Fantastic stuff thank you for making the video. Ps I’m still running a 386sx for my retro stuff I think the 486 is where it really came alive for pc’s
Great work!
Wonderful video. This might be the best VLB video I've ever seen.
Bro this video is so well put together. Really nicely done, man.
Wow what a test. I want to say I had around 15fps in quake on my amd 5x86 running at 150mhz(3x50) with a Diamond Stealth 32 1mb vesa card. I don't remember how much cache I had in the board, but probably 256kb. In my case 150 was faster than 160mhz due to the faster bus, at least in Quake.
You have made my day! I'm surprised that this video has few hits (
WOW what a well made and interesting Video! So nice seing your collection. Please keep going!
I had a Trident VLB (TGUI9400CXi maybe?) with 1M VRAM On mY 486DX2@66. Finally I managed to upgrade to a AMD 5x86@150MHzstable and the video card RAM to 2M. I was never able to play Quake or Starcraft and for that reason I later upgraded to pentium 166 with S3 Trio 3D2X PCI onboard with 2M VRAM. However, C&C Red Alert, Civilization 2, HOMM 2, Settlers, SimCity, Betrayal at Krondor, Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Wolfenstein 3D and many other games for dos or Win95 ran just fine on the old 486, enough for me to enjoy them.
Great video!
Great video. Nicely shot.
The only way to get more performance out of a Socket 3 board is with a Voodoo Graphics card. There's mobos out there with both VLB and PCI. So you can use your Pentium Overdrive and VLB cards.
Great video and impressive collection of VLB cards
Impressive.. i played quake on 3 different 486 machines and result was always meh. Your 486s at the end really impressed me deeply. Thanks for your work.
Great benchmark and an awesome collection of VLB cards!
I’m not sure how you aren’t more popular u tested so many cards too good work
Speeding up the game by bypassing the disc reads was pretty genius.
nice one, really liking your videos and really sad of subs and views count, heh
Wow, super video. Please next...
dude i've always wanted to do this. like nerd out tweaking and overclocking all the shit i couldn't back then because i was too young to know shit about that (only started overclocking with my pentium 2 400mhz). thanks for letting me live the dream by proxy.
Great review and hot vlb collection!
Nice work on this video
Wonderful
This is an awesome video. Ive done some testing with the POD83 @83 mHz and it is indeed faster than AMD 5x86 @120 mHz in Quake. Only problem is that the POD83 is not very stable to overclock to 100 mHz on most 486 motherboards to get the same performance as shown here. What is strange in my system is that most everything works with the POD83 being overclocked to 100 mHz, except that quake boots up to run the benchmark, but then aborts back to dos right when the test run starts. I tried the test with vlb cards and isa cards, but same result, so it has to do with my motherboard bios and/or board jumpers. Currently, Im just running the AMD 5x86 @ 120 mHz paired with a diamond stealth 64 due to everything in the system running great. Quake suffers a bit, but I'll just run that on my dual pentium 3 machine.
Very cool 🎉
Great Video! Thanks :)
A bit of a pity it didn't end with a 486, but it is really cool to see how you hunt down bottlenecks and overcome them.
Pretty sure the S3 805 supports interleaved memory. Should bench a bit faster with 2MB.
**edit: Seems like only the 805i supports interleaved memory.
I experienced obvious performance gains in some games (eg. death rally) when I upgraded from S3 Trio to Tseng Labs ET4000. It would be interesting to see how it would perform in Quake
Tseng Labs ET4000 was probably the fastest card available. IIRC 50 MB/s writes to framebuffer or so.
I did really enjoy the format. Would watch more. For instance. Put a voodo, voodo2 on a 4x86 and see if glQuake does well? You could still use a VLB 2d card. And a pci card on some motherboards.
There is an ATI Mach64 VLB on ebay right now for $375...Too much for my collection, but thought I'd mention it.
Thanks. I have seen it. Unfortunately I have to pay additional 99 USD import tax to EU + 45 USD shipping. It makes a big sum.
My results were practically the same as well. I have an MLE variant of an SiS 471 based board. Same CPU at 40x3 (no x4 support in the 471), with 32MB of 60ns FPM memory. My VLB graphics card is the WD 90C33 (Paradise) 1MB with 45ns memory. Very speedy in DOOM, but not a Quake warrior by any means. 😁
I wonder how fast it would be to put a voodoo 1 or 2 in that system
I just watched your 386 Quake 3 video and immediately found this one afterwards. Now try this 486 in a motherboard that supports PCI and try a Verite 2100 or Voodoo 1 in Quake 3...actually I have that setup so I can try it myself, I guess😂
brah, where you go. I want more from you.
I've heard of S3 Virge and NVidia Diamond Edge 3D for VLB!
happy 775 subs, haha
I'm being told by other channels that quake ran best on Intel because of the code was optimized specifically for the Pentium ...
Have you been able to run the am586-133 P75 at a 50MHz FSB?
The multiplier for that CPU is set to 4x when you set the motherboard multiplier to 2x. So 3x50MHz FSB, 4x33MHz or 4x40Mhz would be very interesting to test on that board!
Unfortunately, this motherboard does not run at 50 MHz bus with this CPU at all, I have tried, and if I recall it right - it failed to boot on 40x4 setup. The only thing that worked, is 40x3.
@@command_line_channel bummer! Have you tried to raise the voltage of the CPU?
@@Inject0r I guess not, but will try next time when I get my hands on that board. Thanks for the tip.
This guy should buy some VLB card, I don't think he has enough.
you got some? :)
excellent video and nice collection of VLB cards... a lot of time and dedication in this... BUT .. cpu galaxy is still the world record, his tests are based on pure 486 cpu, and he clarified that neither pentium overdrive nor chips were valid cyrix 5x86 for this test... your motherboard is socket 3, but the cpu is pentium technology adapted to the socket
You are absolutely right about the fact that Pentium Overdrive is not a 486. But, here was kinda point to max out a Socket 3 system with any CPU. And currently 26.7 FPS is a better result than 23.5 FPS from CPU Galaxy using the Overdrive. But initially, the purpose of the video was to test Chicony Ch-471A with all kinds of video cards, cache configurations and processors in Quake.
@@command_line_channel Ok, I get the concept, you could try to get a kingstone overdrive.. it's based on the AMD X5... by the way, I hadn't seen a VLB GPU collection.. congratulations
I have 5x86, which is 486 with more L1 cache, running at 3x50MHz, 1024kB cache on motherboard and trio32 based vlb graphics (like your's by Miro) and I get a bit under 17fps.
Nice to know that Trio32 runs on 50MHz bus. I haven't managed to power on Chicony board with any video card on 50MHz.
@@command_line_channel It's quite a dream machine.
Only timings i had to loosen, were some cache timings. I guess i need 10ns cache chips, the 12ns don't cut it anymore. :P
Try a high-end 486 server motherboard that has more throughput on the VLB bus, cpuless ram refresh, VLB 0 wait state jumpers...
Yu're great!! but I think that the 486 even clocked@160mhz can not compete with pentium 75.
Are there any 3D accelerators that will work in this? I’m curious about GLquake on something like this
Creative 3D Blaster VLB was the only 3D card for VLB, but GLQuake is not supported
lol, 32MB on a 486. You could probably count on two hands the number of people that had a system like this at the time.
I did. I had amd 5x86 and 32mb ram for programming in Delphi. And ARK2000 video card
What about the Number Imagine 128 pci graphics card? That's another missing graphics card.
PCI cards will be in some future tests. This test was all about VLB, with some PCI, just for comparison.
How much cache in the Socket 7 system?
If You have Creative 3D Blaster VLB, it might be the fastest VGA card for Quake.
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13fps!! Good enough to be an N64 game.
can u run among us in pentium 2 ?
It depends on what cpu language among us uses, if it uses mmx or pae then yes
I had a 3dBlaster pci iin the past....
Simply terrible!
Is this an AI voice?
no vodoo? I used to play this game with a K6 II a Matrox and a Vodoo 2