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486 Socket 3 VLB @ MAX. 35 video cards in Quake | Chicony CH-471A
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2022
- The dream of playing Quake on my 486 with high FPS has been with me for twenty-six years. Is it possible for Socket 3 motherboard to output enough frames per second to fulfill my dream today?
Please welcome Chicony CH-471A, a VLB 486 motherboard, based on SIS471 chipset.
Video cards used in this test:
ARK Logic ARK1000PV PCI 1MB
ARK Logic ARK1000VL 2MB (70ns, 50ns)
ATI Graphics Wonder VLB, ATI Mach 32, 2MB (60ns, 70ns)
Avance Logic ALG2228, 1MB (70ns)
Chips and technologies DSP6430, CHIPS F64300, 1MB (70ns)
Cirrus Logic 542XVL/H, CL-GD5429, 1MB (70ns)
DEC PC76H-EA, S3 805Q, 1MB (60ns)
Diamond Stealth 24VL, S3 805, 1MB (45ns)
Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM T PCI, 2MB
Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM T, 2MB (40ns, 60ns)
Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM, S3 Vision 968 2MB (70ns)
Diamond Stealth Pro, S3 928G, 1MB (70ns)
Diamond Stealth SE, S3 Trio 32, 1MB (60ns)
Diamond Viper, Weitek 5286, Weitek Power 9000, 2MB (70ns)
Genoa 8300VL, NCR 77C32BLT, 1MB (70ns)
Genoa Phantom 64, S3 Vision 864, 2MB (70ns)
Hercules Graphite VL Pro, IIT AGX 015, 1MB (70ns)
IGS IGA 1680 PCI 1MB
Matrox MGA Ultima, Matrox IS-Atlas R1, 2MB (70ns)
Media Vision ProGraphcs 1024, MVV452, Cirrus Logic, 1MB(?) (70ns)
Miro Video 12PD, Alliance Semiconductor ProMotion 3210 1MB (60ns)
Miro Video 12SD, S3 Trio 32, 2MB (70ns)
Number Nine 9FX Motion 531, S3 Vision 868, 2MB (60ns)
OAK OTI-087, 1MB (60ns)
PCFAB S3 Trio 64, 2MB (70ns + 35ns)
SOYO VL41C/V2, S3 805P, 1MB (60ns)
SPEA Videoseven (V7) Mercury P64, S3 Vision 964 2MB (70ns)
STB Horizon 64, Sierra Falcon 64 PCI 1MB
STB PowerGraph 64V, S3 Trio 64V+ VLB 1MB, (45ns)
Trident 7343L, TGUI9400CXi, 1MB (70ns)
Trident PB-TD9400VL, TGUI9400CXi, 1MB (70ns)
Tseng labs ET4000 W32, 1MB (70ns)
Tseng labs ET4000 W32I, 1MB (70ns)
UMC UM85C418F-GP, 1MB (70ns)
WDC PowerGraph C33, WD90C33-ZZ, 1MB, (60ns)
Missing video cards:
ATI Mach 64 VLB
Creative 3D Blaster VLB
Sierra Falcon 64 VLB
Tseng Labs ET4000/W32P
CPU Galaxy benchmarks:
Socket 3 overclocking (23.5 FPS with Pentium Overdrive)
• Socket 3 OverClocking ...
AMD X5-133 OC to 200 MHz (21.6 FPS)
• AMD X5-133 OC to 200 M...
This is one of the most amazing tests I’ve ever seen. Fantastic work and much respect for countless hours invested to make it happen!
Absolutely incredible video, man! I wish I had such a collection of hardware in the late 90ties. Greeting from Latvia!
That was amazing to watch, to see all that hardware that we could only even dream of back in the day!
Holy crap, that comparison goes far beyond what most people would consider a thorough test.
You chose Quake as your benchmark - and it is OK, but it is also FPU - heavy game, so no wonder that Pentium architecture based CPUs got ahead.
Regarding that damaged memory slot - it costs almost nothing to replace those as it takes only hotair rework station and a bit of flux.
Greetings from Poland!
The Cyrix 586 and heavily overclocked AMD 5x86 (at 120 & 160 mhz+ respectively) could outperform a Pentium OD chip in a socket 3 system with all other components being equal... The disabled Cyrix instruction sets that made them less stable in Windows were generally fine in DOS and gave a huge boost in gaming performance in socket 3 compared to even the Pentium OD, while the simpler AMD design tended to overclock better to attack performance with raw integer performance... but they simply aren't competitive with most systems socket 5 and beyond.
A hotair rework station isn't something most people have, so I would respectfully disagree that it "costs almost nothing" to rework that damaged memory slot UNLESS one already has a significant investment in their electronics repair workbench tooling.
quake is a great benchmark because it was the application that pretty much killed 486. i played it on my dx4 100 but it was kinda painful. i had to use a small window to get a playable 20ish fps average.
Loving the lighting / colour grading you've done with the shots of the hardware. Super cool video 👍
those videos make me wanna build my own 486 setup and spend hours playing with it
Отличная работа, замечательный видеоряд, большое количество видеокарт на сравнении. Спасибо большое вам за эти тесты. Откровенно говоря я ставил на Cirrus Logic, думал она будет первой. Много в видео меня удивило и дало новые знания. Правда в своем 486 я использую PCI видеокарту 3 ViRGE. Мой 486 основан на более современной материнской плате и содержит PCI разъемы. Продолжайте в том же духе, мне очень понравилось видео, я подписался!
Why does that “lo-fi” voice effect sound so soothing? Like a pilot speaking to the passengers over the intercom
Awesome! I hope that some day you will test the Creative 3D Blaster VLB (Permedia Glint).
This deserves 100 times more views
That was sweet! Really nice collection you got there.
Great video!! Amazing shots and nice testing! Thanks for mentioning my channel 😍👍🏻. Cheers, Peter
I remember having some Trident VLB card booting @ 50 MHz bus (486DX4 in 50x2 mode). In those days I was able to "gain" some minor FPS'es by slowing down DRAM refresh rates by some utility (had very shitty DRAM with high CAS setup to be able to boot @ 50Mhz mode but it was still worth it).
Fun video to watch :)
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Bro this video is so well put together. Really nicely done, man.
Great benchmark and an awesome collection of VLB cards!
Great work!
Nice video! So many useful results here :)
I am mow waiting for my PODPs.
Wonderful video. This might be the best VLB video I've ever seen.
WOW what a well made and interesting Video! So nice seing your collection. Please keep going!
Great video and impressive collection of VLB cards
Great video!
Speeding up the game by bypassing the disc reads was pretty genius.
Happy to be your 386th subscriber (for hopefully obvious reasons)
Great review and hot vlb collection!
Nice work on this video
Fantastic stuff thank you for making the video. Ps I’m still running a 386sx for my retro stuff I think the 486 is where it really came alive for pc’s
You have made my day! I'm surprised that this video has few hits (
I’m not sure how you aren’t more popular u tested so many cards too good work
Wow, super video. Please next...
I had a Trident VLB (TGUI9400CXi maybe?) with 1M VRAM On mY 486DX2@66. Finally I managed to upgrade to a AMD 5x86@150MHzstable and the video card RAM to 2M. I was never able to play Quake or Starcraft and for that reason I later upgraded to pentium 166 with S3 Trio 3D2X PCI onboard with 2M VRAM. However, C&C Red Alert, Civilization 2, HOMM 2, Settlers, SimCity, Betrayal at Krondor, Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Wolfenstein 3D and many other games for dos or Win95 ran just fine on the old 486, enough for me to enjoy them.
Wonderful
Great video. Nicely shot.
The only way to get more performance out of a Socket 3 board is with a Voodoo Graphics card. There's mobos out there with both VLB and PCI. So you can use your Pentium Overdrive and VLB cards.
Wow what a test. I want to say I had around 15fps in quake on my amd 5x86 running at 150mhz(3x50) with a Diamond Stealth 32 1mb vesa card. I don't remember how much cache I had in the board, but probably 256kb. In my case 150 was faster than 160mhz due to the faster bus, at least in Quake.
Very cool 🎉
nice one, really liking your videos and really sad of subs and views count, heh
Great Video! Thanks :)
Impressive.. i played quake on 3 different 486 machines and result was always meh. Your 486s at the end really impressed me deeply. Thanks for your work.
Pretty sure the S3 805 supports interleaved memory. Should bench a bit faster with 2MB.
**edit: Seems like only the 805i supports interleaved memory.
dude i've always wanted to do this. like nerd out tweaking and overclocking all the shit i couldn't back then because i was too young to know shit about that (only started overclocking with my pentium 2 400mhz). thanks for letting me live the dream by proxy.
This is an awesome video. Ive done some testing with the POD83 @83 mHz and it is indeed faster than AMD 5x86 @120 mHz in Quake. Only problem is that the POD83 is not very stable to overclock to 100 mHz on most 486 motherboards to get the same performance as shown here. What is strange in my system is that most everything works with the POD83 being overclocked to 100 mHz, except that quake boots up to run the benchmark, but then aborts back to dos right when the test run starts. I tried the test with vlb cards and isa cards, but same result, so it has to do with my motherboard bios and/or board jumpers. Currently, Im just running the AMD 5x86 @ 120 mHz paired with a diamond stealth 64 due to everything in the system running great. Quake suffers a bit, but I'll just run that on my dual pentium 3 machine.
I just watched your 386 Quake 3 video and immediately found this one afterwards. Now try this 486 in a motherboard that supports PCI and try a Verite 2100 or Voodoo 1 in Quake 3...actually I have that setup so I can try it myself, I guess😂
I wonder how fast it would be to put a voodoo 1 or 2 in that system
I experienced obvious performance gains in some games (eg. death rally) when I upgraded from S3 Trio to Tseng Labs ET4000. It would be interesting to see how it would perform in Quake
Tseng Labs ET4000 was probably the fastest card available. IIRC 50 MB/s writes to framebuffer or so.
I did really enjoy the format. Would watch more. For instance. Put a voodo, voodo2 on a 4x86 and see if glQuake does well? You could still use a VLB 2d card. And a pci card on some motherboards.
A bit of a pity it didn't end with a 486, but it is really cool to see how you hunt down bottlenecks and overcome them.
happy 775 subs, haha
My results were practically the same as well. I have an MLE variant of an SiS 471 based board. Same CPU at 40x3 (no x4 support in the 471), with 32MB of 60ns FPM memory. My VLB graphics card is the WD 90C33 (Paradise) 1MB with 45ns memory. Very speedy in DOOM, but not a Quake warrior by any means. 😁
I'm being told by other channels that quake ran best on Intel because of the code was optimized specifically for the Pentium ...
I've heard of S3 Virge and NVidia Diamond Edge 3D for VLB!
brah, where you go. I want more from you.
excellent video and nice collection of VLB cards... a lot of time and dedication in this... BUT .. cpu galaxy is still the world record, his tests are based on pure 486 cpu, and he clarified that neither pentium overdrive nor chips were valid cyrix 5x86 for this test... your motherboard is socket 3, but the cpu is pentium technology adapted to the socket
You are absolutely right about the fact that Pentium Overdrive is not a 486. But, here was kinda point to max out a Socket 3 system with any CPU. And currently 26.7 FPS is a better result than 23.5 FPS from CPU Galaxy using the Overdrive. But initially, the purpose of the video was to test Chicony Ch-471A with all kinds of video cards, cache configurations and processors in Quake.
@@command_line_channel Ok, I get the concept, you could try to get a kingstone overdrive.. it's based on the AMD X5... by the way, I hadn't seen a VLB GPU collection.. congratulations
Have you been able to run the am586-133 P75 at a 50MHz FSB?
The multiplier for that CPU is set to 4x when you set the motherboard multiplier to 2x. So 3x50MHz FSB, 4x33MHz or 4x40Mhz would be very interesting to test on that board!
Unfortunately, this motherboard does not run at 50 MHz bus with this CPU at all, I have tried, and if I recall it right - it failed to boot on 40x4 setup. The only thing that worked, is 40x3.
@@command_line_channel bummer! Have you tried to raise the voltage of the CPU?
@@Inject0r I guess not, but will try next time when I get my hands on that board. Thanks for the tip.
There is an ATI Mach64 VLB on ebay right now for $375...Too much for my collection, but thought I'd mention it.
Thanks. I have seen it. Unfortunately I have to pay additional 99 USD import tax to EU + 45 USD shipping. It makes a big sum.
How much cache in the Socket 7 system?
I have 5x86, which is 486 with more L1 cache, running at 3x50MHz, 1024kB cache on motherboard and trio32 based vlb graphics (like your's by Miro) and I get a bit under 17fps.
Nice to know that Trio32 runs on 50MHz bus. I haven't managed to power on Chicony board with any video card on 50MHz.
@@command_line_channel It's quite a dream machine.
Only timings i had to loosen, were some cache timings. I guess i need 10ns cache chips, the 12ns don't cut it anymore. :P
Are there any 3D accelerators that will work in this? I’m curious about GLquake on something like this
Creative 3D Blaster VLB was the only 3D card for VLB, but GLQuake is not supported
Yu're great!! but I think that the 486 even clocked@160mhz can not compete with pentium 75.
Try a high-end 486 server motherboard that has more throughput on the VLB bus, cpuless ram refresh, VLB 0 wait state jumpers...
If You have Creative 3D Blaster VLB, it might be the fastest VGA card for Quake.
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What about the Number Imagine 128 pci graphics card? That's another missing graphics card.
PCI cards will be in some future tests. This test was all about VLB, with some PCI, just for comparison.
13fps!! Good enough to be an N64 game.
can u run among us in pentium 2 ?
It depends on what cpu language among us uses, if it uses mmx or pae then yes
lol, 32MB on a 486. You could probably count on two hands the number of people that had a system like this at the time.
I did. I had amd 5x86 and 32mb ram for programming in Delphi. And ARK2000 video card
Is this an AI voice?
no vodoo? I used to play this game with a K6 II a Matrox and a Vodoo 2