Flat Pedals Win Medals - But Are They Only Meant for Downhill?
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- In celebration of our partnership with Five Ten for DH Fantasy, Ben Cathro is here to talk your through their flat-pedal options so you can unleash your inner Sam Hill.
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got an ad blocker installed so i dont have to watch ads, here I am watching a 10 minute ad... 🤣
Same😂
That first line of the description should actually start out as:
To fulfill our contractual obligations for Five Ten sponsoring DH Fantasy, here is an advertisement disguised as "just another mtb video imparting the super likeable and relatable Ben Cathro's knowledge on..."
Being able to drop a leg off to catch myself is part of riding loose, and loose is fast in most cases. I don't care if its faster or slower or whatever, I can go faster knowing that I can take a leg off whenever I want. Yes, readjusting during a race run is a thing, but once your foot is stuck there, you're good to go for the most part.
It feels more safe and leads to greater confidence in riding steep and nasty terrain. Also when jumping, should something seem amiss, it's far easier to dump the bike with flat pedals
If you ride clips and get used to them , you can dab just as easily as you can on flats.
I don't think confidence is really an issue for most pro riders who ride day in day out on clipless pedals
@@billisbad2220 You mean clipless. Clips are toe cages.
@@ThisGuyRides☝️🤓
Tell five ten we want flat shoes with a BOA system.
Tell 5Ten their shoes were better before Adidas took over and started changing lasts among other things
no we dont
The fox unions with boa have five ten grip
@@willknisley658 you really feel like there as grippy? I would like to try them, but after trying a few other brands I always felt like nothing was as sticky. I must look into them a bit more, thanks
@@tywitt3351 100% the new shoes are crap!
3 year old 5:10's? Madness, mine never lasted more than a year
I've used five ten impacts for years, but personally I think the specialized 2fo dh shoe is gripper.
flat pedals are worth it simply for the ability to correct split second situations where I might otherwise crash. That's worth the trade off of less efficiency and consistency (foot is in the same place) for me.
I have 3 pairs of different models five ten, one pair of ride concept, Mavic deemax flat soles, Leatt 3, DC mtb specific whatever model ...
What I wear the most on flats is a pair of ecco waterproof golf shoes with boa, they look like new and it's been a year+ winter riding included. Sole is grippy and durable I still wear them all the time...
Someone gets shafted somehow...
Thats an interesting one. I am an ECCO fun for dailies (and classics), never would I think about this application :)
Cathro is the best!!! Another fantastic video. Literally no one is more thorough than him, cheers👍🏻
Great video thanks Ben!
Thanks Ben. I finally understand the confusing 5-10 lineup.
Nice comprehensive video about this lineup, but I'm here to say this Deviate is mint!
Ben Cathro is the best Pink bike presenter, change my mind.
The bar is really low at PB. This is an advertisement. Adidas thanks you for your attention.
As an old school flat pedal rider I enjoyed this content, nice work Hightower!!!
I raced downhill on flat pedals because I feared not being able to get away from the bike in the event of a crash. I ended up with a set of Brooklyn Machine Works Shinburgers. Best flat pedals ever in my opinion
They ho for a big bucks now. Lucky you
Flats for life. From BMX to DH.
Some really good information.
to be honest whats really missing ismid topversion of the impact pro with the mid/hi top part of the shoe not being mega chunky and heavy :) please five ten my ankles need a bit of support :)
I miss a decent water "proof" version nowadays. I had the ELC version in the past which were pretty good. With the additional flap over the laces it also ensured you can untie them without being filled up with mud. They should bring back the ELC version.
I’ve got a pair of trail cross and a pair of free rider pro’s. the free rider pro’s are marginally grippier (most likely due to the sole shape?) and definitely stiffer. I feel the trail cross flex underfoot at times. At the end of the day, both are super grippy and are awesome on the trail!
Tony Hawks signature AIRWALK shoes were killer back in day. Way better than 5-10s. Problem with 5-10 were once you put your foot down if it’s not in the right spot you’re doomed. Lift your foot up and hope it goes where you want it. Now I use Specialized 2FO Roost with UNITE pedals, the UNITE pedals are killer
We need wide five ten's !
I been riding flat pedals on xc hardtails for years
I like shoes with a flexy sole, I feel it gives me more connection with the terrain.
I feel like they changed for the worse when Adidas bought them. I’m still wearing Freerider Pro’s but the soles don’t grip like the originals.
clipless is so faffy , but i saw this guy with clipless he did this super steezy back wheel tap soooooo cool
Is there a BOA versions of those?
Spitfires & Cryptkeepers for the ultimate combo🤘🏼
I prefered flat pedals, even for trail riding. Went back to a HT, went back to clips
*totally ignores comfort when picking a shoe 😒
And why on earth have 5tens become so narrow?
Yes! Tried to make the free rider pro work, but too narrow and my foot was cramping after an hour. Back to regular free rider. Now that I’m used to wide toe box shoes, it amazes me shoe manufacturers keep making narrow shoes. Have they not traced an outline of a foot, especially splayed under pressure and compared that to the shoe they are designing?
What’s more important, grip or comfort?
5.10 died when they got taken over by adidas. Way too narrow now.
They went narrow when they became Adidas.
Freeride Pro for the win! Love those.
Been riding Five Ten Freerider for over 10 years and I'm pretty pleased with them but lately I feel like the sole holds up just as long as a rear tire. I've always bought the Freerider model as it was the best deal but I'm curious if the Freerider Pro's sole lasts longer. I love Adidas and their skate shoes are my daily choice but maybe 5.10 quality has gone a bit down since being purchased by Adidas idk... is the Pro better? Maybe the Impact? OnlyFlats btw :D
They are great shoes, great grip at least, not very long lasting. But why don't we want some ankle support while riding mtb? I do. Looking at adidas fiveten's official site, there's only some strange goretex mid top shoe. I just want a freerider hi-top.
Infomercial or not, these were great infos
Trail rider and occasional lift part. Classic free riders are my go to shoe. May not be the best at anything but they are good at everything
I love the endura hummve shoes
So what about the other 10 brands that make fantastic flat shoes too?
This is an advert for Five Ten. "In celebration of our partnership with Five Ten for DH Fantasy, Ben Cathro is here to talk your through their flat-pedal options"
@@bongobob7079 Totally agree, everyone knows. But every time GMBN does something like this, a big old “AD” sign is in the thumbnail. And look at the title, is completely the other way around: flat pedals are obviously not made to win medals. Practically nobody use them in the competitive scene, except for some crazy guys. And for some reason there are many of models made for regular riding and just one, pretty dated, model for racing. And as far as I’m aware, there simply no other brand that makes one.
Sadly the majority of us are not Sam Hill or have Sam Hills abilities, it seems obvious most success in Downhill comes from being clipped in but everyone should always choose what's best for them comfort and performance wise
I love my free rider pros but they definitely leave black marks. My frame protection has the evidence of that.
Personally I want the most grip possible so I don't get pins in my shins
Magnetic pedals ftw they are seriously underrated.
Are there ANY mtb flat shoes that are actually foot shaped? The ones I’ve tried are all way too narrow and push the big toe too far in. Needs to be croc shaped at a minimum.
look at Specialized 2FO models. And the Leatt 3.0 is pretty comfortable too.
I like the CrankBrothers Stamp shoes. My wide metatarsal bones like them 👍
@@CCW230 interesting. I find my stamps are my narrowest except for my etnies. The elastic gusset I find really squeezes my foot to where I have to keep the laces very loose
i'm the oposite, always found shoes like the original freerider ok, shimano dh spd shoes too wide, giro terra something too wide, ride concepts really comfy for summer only (d3o is lovely just not the most grippy) new 510 winter freeriders are comfy and a lovely fit, the impact pro's (only used these ones once in -5 conditions with hike a bike!) uncomfortable for walking and void of feel and felt like being on stilts have a feeling after a day at dyfi they will feel in their element.
Always loved not wearing road cycling shoes. With a bit of practice, your feet stay on and you have freedom of movement. Equalling the pedalling efficiency of road cycling shoes is hard, however.
I much prefer flats to clip ins regardless of what type of bike I'm riding.
Go jackup one or both of your ankles and try to ride slipped in. I've been riding flats for everything the last 10 years where before that it was all clipped. Prefer flats at this point.
Trailcross GTX for the win!
Yo siempre e usado zapatos normal
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But they don’t win medals. To properly ride flats you need to drop your heels which puts you further over the back of the bike. Now days professional downhillers need to be forward on the bike in attack position, Aaron Gwinn has a video about this. Being more forward and locked into the bike allows you to go faster. Plus over rough terrain your foot stays planted exactly where you need it. That’s why 19 out of the top 20 downhillers and enduro riders are clipped in.
You see it more in enduro these days. I think Hill was the last downhiller to win on flats. In EDR, Morgan Charre and Alex Rudeau are both dedicated flat pedal riders, and other riders in EDR may use flats on specific courses. DH world is 99% of the field on CB Mallet DH, Enduro world is still mostly CB Mallet E but a fair number of SPD, HT (Courdurier in particular rides HT pedals) and flat pedal users as well.
@@mrvwbug4423 Exactly. My own personal experience is that they give you confidence through rough areas I never had with flats. Also I got tired of shin gouges.
I swear nothing makes me want to walk more than YT gear shills.
Bonkers muddy Xc racers clogged with mud shoes can’t clip in or stall fail sideways just to follow clip in trend that old school bikers are immune to.
But nearly all World Cup DH riders use clip less pedals.... 🤦♂️
like skateboarding in flippers. sloppy. timing is twice as hard at speed. except for Sam. the only ‘pro’: i guess they’re safer.
Too bad the soles don’t last.
Their website is 🤮
The comments section is filled with every last over the hill, exclusionary bro brah remaining in the sport. Pinkbike only makes money because of the endless toxic exchanges in the comments section. It can’t stand on its own journalism and is reliant on mountain bikers slinging passive and not so passive insults to one another. Otherwise no one would come to the site, they wouldn’t get clicks.
Thanks for the ad Pinkbike!
Pinkbike journalism 🤮
Medals not champs
Ben, I'm very happy for you that you got a great job presenting... but you're becoming a shill. Please tell them to GTFO on this sort of content, it's ruining your reputation as a salt of teh earth, trust-able, grass roots mountain bike guy.
My Five Ten Freerider Pro had good grip, but quickly looked tatty and the soles tore up pretty quick, and they take about a month to dry.
Five Ten Trailcoss Pro had insane grip, too sticky really - same Stealth rubber as above in theory, made in a different factory, maybe? In some ways they have aged far better, but completely coming away where the sole meets the upper, Five Ten said this was normal, let water in so quickly. Expensive mistake, those.
Onto Fox Unions lace ups, similar grip to Freerider Pro, allows a little adjustment, sole is wearing better so far, and they're far better in the wet - and dry faster. Will see how they last but so far a step up after a little use.
I would like to try the Crankbrothers Mallet clips - like the idea of being stuck to the pedals with the ability to adjust foot position. Need to finish my basic How to Bike skills first.
Nice ad
I use Adidas Terrex and they have excellent grip
This is just a 5.10 ad.
So disappointing Pinkbike are making Ben do these types of videos, leave the sudo ads to hacks like Henry and let Ben do the cool racing videos like only he can do… very disappointing Pinkbike!!
5-10 ad nice
flat pedals suck