No problem. We decided to do a few extra variants on top of the traditional ones just to have full coverage of it. I'm glad it was helpful to you. Edi's joy for the game is infectious.
@@LegendaryTactics I didn't know there were that many variations to the "main" Lepanto. Apparently, last time I played Italy I did a Swiss Lepanto without even knowing it.
@@LegendaryTactics well, actually it was something new, because I told France I was going to Piedmont and to bounce me, and that meant that I made a "fake" swiss Lepanto to appease England and Germany, while actually remaining in Venice to continue with the original variation of the Lepanto.
I played in a diplomacy mini tournament in Sam Francisco with Edi Birsan. He mentions having a soft spot for younger players; I was one of those players! As an 8th grader playing with 40 year olds, he was such a fun host, and I of course got creamed in every game, but I would stay in as long as I could as a pirate. In one wacky game, I held 4 centers as a German army, with no home centers! He gave me a little pirate ducky at the end of the tournament for "Best Pirate"
In all the discussion of Lepanto variants, I'm surprised that you didn't discuss the almost-standard version of the Key Lepanto where Italy takes Trieste and not Serbia in order to build an extra fleet.
That happened to me in the Media Wars II game. I let Italy take Trieste (mostly because I desperately needed an ally), and we've been rock solid ever since. So that is a viable option, though not ideal for Austria. Thanks for mentioning it.
@@LegendaryTactics yeah what I'd really love at some point would be to look at the Lepanto system from the Austrian perspective--like, should you loan italy trieste? If so, when should you take it back? Ive had situations where I loaned italy trieste and regretted it, and conversely where i didnt take it back all game and shared a board top with the Italian at the end
@@Karlallmusic It likely all comes down to who the player in Italy is. It requires a lot of trust to strengthen them because then they can opt to just turn around and use that unit against you. As Edi says, the most important pieces are the players around the board, not the pieces on the board.
Interesting...I randomly found diplomacy through a valefisk video and the entire time I was watching, and hearing that Italy is hard to play, I was wondering if double convoying is a thing and if you could just convoy your way into Turkish territory.
Edi acknowledges that it's very apparent that it's coming. So it's what you do with the potential strike that really matters. Setting up for the Lepanto doesn't mean you need to execute it.
This video was amazing, and thanks for all the useful information!
No problem. We decided to do a few extra variants on top of the traditional ones just to have full coverage of it. I'm glad it was helpful to you. Edi's joy for the game is infectious.
@@LegendaryTactics I didn't know there were that many variations to the "main" Lepanto. Apparently, last time I played Italy I did a Swiss Lepanto without even knowing it.
@@Sploack Had you been born 40 years ago, you would have invented it.
@@LegendaryTactics well, actually it was something new, because I told France I was going to Piedmont and to bounce me, and that meant that I made a "fake" swiss Lepanto to appease England and Germany, while actually remaining in Venice to continue with the original variation of the Lepanto.
I don’t even play the game, but I can listen to Edi talks all day. Great interview!
He's got a ton of great anecdotes.
I love Edi's approach to teaching Diplomacy strategy. "Play like you."
He's a real class act for sure.
I came to this video expecting to learn about tactics, but I was surprised to learn so much about the history of the game.
Edi is certainly the man to talk to about the History of the game.
@@LegendaryTactics Learning a lot from Edi, plus I love his accent.
@@Zogerpogger He knows so much about this game. It was a real joy to talk with him.
@@LegendaryTactics Thanks for making the interview happen and sharing all of these tips from the greats!
I love his hats too.
I played in a diplomacy mini tournament in Sam Francisco with Edi Birsan. He mentions having a soft spot for younger players; I was one of those players! As an 8th grader playing with 40 year olds, he was such a fun host, and I of course got creamed in every game, but I would stay in as long as I could as a pirate. In one wacky game, I held 4 centers as a German army, with no home centers! He gave me a little pirate ducky at the end of the tournament for "Best Pirate"
Glad you interviewed Edi. Thanks.
No problem. It was our pleasure.
22:16:Edi Bursan: Do not cite the deep magic to me witch. I was there when it was written.
Ha ha, true!
In all the discussion of Lepanto variants, I'm surprised that you didn't discuss the almost-standard version of the Key Lepanto where Italy takes Trieste and not Serbia in order to build an extra fleet.
That happened to me in the Media Wars II game. I let Italy take Trieste (mostly because I desperately needed an ally), and we've been rock solid ever since. So that is a viable option, though not ideal for Austria. Thanks for mentioning it.
@@LegendaryTactics yeah what I'd really love at some point would be to look at the Lepanto system from the Austrian perspective--like, should you loan italy trieste? If so, when should you take it back? Ive had situations where I loaned italy trieste and regretted it, and conversely where i didnt take it back all game and shared a board top with the Italian at the end
@@Karlallmusic It likely all comes down to who the player in Italy is. It requires a lot of trust to strengthen them because then they can opt to just turn around and use that unit against you. As Edi says, the most important pieces are the players around the board, not the pieces on the board.
Ah, just in time for the game where I agreed to DMZ Pie and Tyr, and Lepanto was the only reasonable opening.
Sounds like you didn't DMZ Trieste. Key Lepanto time....
Nice interview
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to let us know.
Great video!!
Much appreciated. When is your next podcast coming out?
What's the name of the 3D computer board simulation that is shown in the video? At minute 1:00
That is from Tabletop Simulator, where you can play any number of boardgames in 3D!
@@LegendaryTactics thank you!
@@kaos50 This is how you download the content: ua-cam.com/video/C2X6vhmHwq8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LegendaryTactics
Interesting...I randomly found diplomacy through a valefisk video and the entire time I was watching, and hearing that Italy is hard to play, I was wondering if double convoying is a thing and if you could just convoy your way into Turkish territory.
It is a thing indeed!
meanwhile in an alternate universe: LOPENTA opening for Greece in the NEGOTIATION Board Game \ Discussion with Edy Birson by Epic strategies
The Klingons know what all that means. Gotta love the UA-cam recognition software.
Isn't the army in Tunis a dead giveaway?
Edi acknowledges that it's very apparent that it's coming. So it's what you do with the potential strike that really matters. Setting up for the Lepanto doesn't mean you need to execute it.
Is this enzio?
It is not.
This guy diplomes
Lol. Indeed.
My brain hurts. :-)
Lol. It's a deceptively complex game.
@@LegendaryTactics I love how such simple mechanics can lead to such complexities
"downtown Armenia"
The nightlife there is second to none!