Heartstopper S3 was a bit heavier than previous season, including it's exploration of current transphobic rhetoric Join this channel to get access to perks: / @jammidodger
"I'm getting so mad over a fictional scenario" Except you aren't. You're getting mad over a fictional _depiction_ of actually real scenarios that happen to trans individuals, there's a difference. You're right to be mad about it, so is everyone else who are mad about how Elle was put in that position Also the title scared the shit out of me thinking this was going to be a video calling Heartstopper out for being transphobic as a whole :'D
oh my god the title- i thought you were gonna say the show is transphobic i was so scared i love hearstopper if s3 was somehow transphobic i would have cried
@@riazmiah2327 Do you need Jammie to tell you it's transphobic? Or are you able to make up your own mind? Or is Jammie the oracle on what's transphobic and what isn't?
@@alyamd805maybe they haven’t watched it and would decide not to if it were transphobic? or maybe they’re cis and would defer to the more nuanced opinion of a trans person on what is or isn’t transphobic? especially if it turned out to be like very subtle transphobia or a microagression that people might miss if it’s not something they’ve experienced. that does not mean they’re unable to form their own opinion or that they view jamie as an “oracle”
Bigots: ‘Minors shouldn’t transition they are too young’ Also bigots: ‘As a minor. What is your opinion on this sensitive topic which I am blindsiding you with and tricked you in to attending’ It felt like a ‘I can’t win a debate against an adult so I’ll pick on a child’
I don't think children can consent to permanent bodily changes. Doesn't mean I'm a bigot or against trans people. Heck, I'm part of the LGBTQIA+ community myself.
To be fair, the trans bathroom issue did increase the assault of cis women.. because transphobes have assaulted more masculine looking cis women, thinking they were trans. Just let people use the toilet in peace.😭
The ridiculousness of the bathroom complaints astounds me. I share bathrooms with trans people every day and have never been afraid or even close to assaulted. My sister was assaulted in a bathroom by other girls when she was in high school. Does my anecdotal example mean it would never happen? No, but the stats back up my experience more than the alternative. There are truly challenging questions around gendered aspects of society and where trans people fit in. I think there are honest arguments, for example, about sports teams (I know where I land, but I do understand where the other side is coming from on that). But the bathroom thing is just a non-issue.
My father interviewed a few people a year or two ago, all in the "music world" (singers, and all of that) and one of them was a woman who directed an orchestra. She actually agreed to do the interview, on the basis that they would only talk about music, and not about the fact that she's a woman in a man's world, because she was fed up with people never actually talking about her music, whereas other directors were never asked what it was like to be a man in a man's world, and they got to talk about their actual jobs. And I think about that a lot
Yeah that's so comment. I feel like as an interviewer you really should only bring it up if it comes up. I know plenty of artists and feminist that wants to make their positions public and really be open about what it's like or how it impacts them. But there's women who just don't, feminist or not, they don't owe people to have any specific position or to make any of them public, like trust that it will be brought up if they want to.
I was watching this and I was so mad for Elle. She's one of my favourite characters and she's so lovely and didn't deserve any of this especially since the point for Elle was to talk about her art. I was so happy that Tao tried to help the best he could as a straight guy and as her boyfriend. I definitely cried when I saw this season.
SAME, my heart dropped when the interviewer mentioned “wanting to consider perspectives on both sides,” and you see Elle feeling absolutely trapped. I’m SO glad they showed representation of her parents supporting her, and her very natural state of shock (followed by lovely moments with her art friends and Tao 💖).
@@silvermoon2281 yes me too! The parents were so sweet and I'm so glad Elle had Tao as well as her other friends who could also understand how she feels about being trans too.
I (a trans girl) changed my name to Elle because of hearstopper I didn't change it because of hearstopper but I just couldn't find a good name until I found out about Elle and heartstoppper
Heartstopper a good example of why we need more queer creatives invovled in media. You wouldn't typically find this type of conversation in any cishet made media.
For people who are reading comments before watching the entirety of the video: It's not about the show itself or a person involved in the show being transphobic it's about a scene in season 3 that depicts transphobia.
As I was watching this scene I legit felt my heart drop as the questions started turning. I had my happy goggles on and was just excited for Elle and felt like I'd been hit over the head. Like, wait, what, no. It was heartbreaking to see her face change.
Between Alice's initial highlighting of the issue in the episode itself, and your response here, its definitely informative of a very problematic issue in media. I for one would be very apprehensive about being interviewed. It sucks for people who have to deal with this like Elle does in the show, Yasmin nailed the performance imo
Honestly I loved that they added this scene because its especially relevant and the moment, and the way Heartstopper handles these things is incredible. Yasmin did a really good job. I wanted to hug her so badly and throw hands with the radio host.
I’ve just (binge) read the comics, so pondered that this didn’t sound familiar. But it’s an added scene, heard there’s some added characters too. Have just watched a “sweetest moments “ compilation to see a bit how the graphic novels have been turned into a tv show.
oh my god you scared me for a second 😭 but it’s wonderful to hear that such a popular show is addressing these things. we really need all the support and awareness we can get right now
I think you make a really important point re: the way the bathrooms issue comes up - there's this constant problem of the air in the room being sucked up by the transphobes' claims, and that means there's probably a ton of people who don't even grasp that the implications of excluding trans people is having a class of people who literally have no right to a very basic public convenience. Like, this is an issue of trying to introduce exclusion of a vulnerable minority into a public health context, and it's frustrating how transphobic rhetoric constantly leads and drives the wider conversation. I did really appreciate the way they showed the sort of media ambush that happens to people like Elle in real life. I felt for her so much, and yeah, it was terrible from a safeguarding POV.
I'm not exactly a celebrity, but I have a small following on TikTok, and it's so exhausting being made to feel like an ambassador for all trans people every single day. Yes, I do post trans-focused content, but even on videos that are totally unrelated to my identity, there will be comments essentially asking me to justify my own existence, right there on the spot, in less than 200 characters. I hate that it's just a fact of life for trans people at this point. If you exist in the public gaze at all, there will always be someone trying to put you on the spot and force you to answer their questions on behalf of the entire trans community.
The attack and spin that you can either be trans or a feminist is crazy So many cis women are so far away from feminism I really struggle to see the link (cough cough interviewer on radio)
That sort of take pisses me off so much. Trans people are included in feminism, if you are an active bigot, you are not a feminist. It seems so weird as well, so many people want to separate cis women and trans ppl (I know it’s the thing of ‘protect the poor women🥺’), even though some trans ppl are literally women and some trans ppl are affected by the same things cis women are because they are afab. It is not trans rights or women’s rights, both will benefit the other and are equally important.
I liked that they included the way the media and a lot of ignorant people deal with and talk about trans people. I also think that showing the more subtle levels of transphobia and how damaging it is is apropriate considering that the character is a teenager and that the show in general has a more optimistic way of dealing with experiences of queerness etc.
@@theMyRadiowasTaken i was always going "welll i wanna be a girl but not in a trans way" and then i realised. oh shit i mean in a trans way. so here we are.
@@thatboredaroace Well congrats on figuring yourself out lol. I kind of had the same realization. I found I didn't really... understand gender all that much or how I feel about my *own* gender but I was just like eh I just find gender to be a strange in and of itself but that doesn't mean I'm trans.... I'm genderqueer lmao
congratulations and best wishes on your journey! Wherever being trans or nonbinary takes you and whatever transition you choose to pursue, you are valid and real regardless. You are loved, cracked egg :)
S3 is incredible! The issues and conversations that are brought up are so important and often stigmatized by young people because of how uncomfortable the topics are. I absolutely loved every second! I laughed, I cried, I yelled at the screen… it was an emotional rollercoaster 🫠😭
heartstopper is great with Introducing the idea of trans people to cis people. I had a watchparty with some friends and the cis ones asked me and my also trans now boyfriend about the dysphoria that elle had, and it was so cool to just have them ask and like... understand!
Well said Jamie. The scene was infuriating and distressing - even for this 65-year-old cis gay bloke. And "Elle" is only 16 in the programme, and was used, disappointed and crushed. I imagine Yasmin has plenty of her own experience to draw on, but still found it difficult to act in.
the interview also got Elle really down about her art for subsequent episodes and i thought that was really powerful to portray to show the impact these types of negative experiences can cause.
It is but tbf I don't know how I would word it differently. It is still about transphobia and in the show lol. It's just unfortunate there's so much transphobia in shows that it makes more sense for the first reaction to assume the show did something wrong rather than talking about the subject.
@@ArturGlass.C true. I came to the comments because if the show was transphobic I'd stop watching/watch the video first, but I was hoping it was just depiction of transphobia and I'm happy that's apparently what it is xP So, adding this video to my watch later list instead.
The moment I saw that scene, I was like, “JAMIE MIGHT REACT TO THIS! I need to know what he will think of this.” Darcy had Anti-Homophobia Cheese, Australian legends have canned tomato products. P.S. This season hit me like a ton of bricks.
Season 3 was brilliant and all the harder topics were handled very well and with great care and for me this season there was a character and a scene I really related to and that is Imogen and her conversation with Nick during their Uni open day tour. Imogen talks about portraying comp het (compulsory heterosexuality) all the time because that is what is expected from her by society and by those around her and how she never really liked boy and felt nothing when with the boys she "dated" and feels she only dated them to have the image of having a boyfriend. I related so much to that. I am lesbian but didn't come out until i was around 20. I am now 26. And that was becasue I was portraying comp het for so long. I had boyfriends in high school and college because that's what you did. it was the way to fit in and survive those environments. But i felt nothing with those guys I was with. Everything felt empty and flat and forced. I was also sexually assaulted by one of the guys I was with as well. When I stopped forcing myself to do comp het and just let myself be me I felt so much freer. I love where I am in my life now and thankfully coming out was good for me because I have a good family. But I was lost for so long. So I love that Heartstopper showed this. I felt really seen. I was Imogen. I am Imogen. Her story, is my story.
i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy 😭 i really wish people didn't act like you can just "ungay" as if it works like that. that perspective just enforces comp het because of a forced avoidance of expressing interest in people of the same gender as you, like there should be some sort of shame in being queer.
This reminds me of an interview a little time ago on a German YT channel where a trans women had to talk to a politician who is part of the right-wing extremist party, over here in Germany. And this host just sat there and was like "we have to hear both sides!" while the politician constantly lied and the trans woman had to correct him. The host was like "we don't know what is true!" and smiled. This talk was about the new self-id law starting next month. While there were big texts on the screen explaining the truth (about the new law), it was not claryfied in the show itself. Who would stop to read a text that is longer than 2 or 3 lines? That way, lies were spread. Again.
Leroy is really just a stone ngl, but at least he got the shitstorm he deserved after this shit. Also good for Hannah that she ended that interview when she couldn't take it anymore
I learned more about the interview in this video because I couldn’t even register what the interviewer was saying due to my own anger at how Elle was being treated.
It's implied that the bullying Elle faced in the past was really severe and that that is why Tao is so extremely protective to the point where he comes across as rude and possessive.
It was really, really interesting to hear your view on that scene. I'm glad you shared it! I've watched Season 3 and I very much enjoyed it. I also love what the show is doing for representation!
And the fact that Elle still gives the benefit of the doubt to the interviewer, and says that she probably consider herself as an ally when she obviously doesn't
I'm not aware of the full context and I know it's not the exact same but it is a very similar situation but I have seen a video of Bimini Bomb Bolash (sorry I can't remember how to spell their name) talk about how when they were asked to go on a show to talk about their book I believe and they were asked to go in a performance outfit like a bright pink thong and panty set and they immediately canceled because they knew that they weren't going to be taken seriously talking about the actual issue that they were contacted about. It's very similar in my mind like the intention was to exploit their Fame and their gender identity for whatever they wanted to talk about.
So this *adult* brings a teen on and tries to make an example of her? I hope she's fired and i hope the teacher apologized (if she didn't do this deliberately).
I think that if they made the interview as bad as it can be in reality there would have been a risk of the audience finding it unbelievable. Reality can be a lot worse than some people realise and showing just a taste can be enough to get sympathy while being totally accurate can make people think it too much to be possible.
I'm glad Heartstopper included the scene, (and I'm really glad you did this video talking about it!) but oh my god it actually shattered my heart to see Elle crying in her dad's arms. To any trans people reading this. You are loved. You are valid and I will always, always have your back. Love to all! x
I watched S3 with three trans friends and I am trans myself, and when we watched this scene, we got a little suspicious when the interviewer first asked about Elle’s identity in her art. By the time we got to the end of the scene, we were all yelling at the TV. I do genuinely wonder how quickly someone who isn’t trans would catch onto the direction the conversation was going.
Thanks for your view on this. When the show was going to deal with more difficult topics knowing that they were going to have charlie's mental health, that transphobia would appear in the show. It was a good thing for it to be shown with the points you make about showing it to people in this way. It shows the deception in the interviewer that the teacher who is also trans (i am making the assumption of that though as the actor is trans) was also duped into thinking it was a positive interview. Outside of the transphobia, it was good to see the interaction between Rebecca Root (the teacher) and Yasmin Finney as a whovian having the first trans companion in doctor who (Root) with the first one on tv (Finney).
Also to answer the last question about the season in general, the way charlie's mental health was portrayed was good in my opinion, and the pressure put on Tara as she is one of the top academic students in the school. The only problem (which I have seen other queer men pick up on) was the way that sex between men was portrayed, and that there is only one way that queer men have sex, and not a full discussion of what sex is for queer men.
The worker might not have realized how offensive the interviewer would be/was being, but picked it up from the family. She might have thought last week was last week and this was meant to "balance it out".
It was so important to me. I feel like it was perfect. People seem to only see trans people as a topic of debate, or a part of politics, and they’re neither, the only times they’re brought into that are through cis people giving opinions no one asked for. I’m tired of being treated like an object of discussion or politics or a debate, I just want to be me.
This is might be offtopic but I hope to see a level of equality for trans people where, even if a transphobe just goes on an indirect rant, someone steps up and tells them they need to chill out and get help instead of letting it go unquestioned to not upset the transphobe. This happened to me recently and it was pretty awkward and messed up.
i love Heartstopper so much. it’s beautiful that Elle’s art teacher is played by a trans woman, but her transness is never alluded to in the show. that shows there’s more to people than their gender identity.
Oooh as soon as I saw that scene I thought about what Jamie's thoughts would be! I'm excited about watching this video. I thought the way the show approached it was so important and tactful
This was my favourite scene in the entire season. Its so important and its done so well. I read the comics, and it wasn't a thing, so it blind sided me and I am so happy it did, knowing about hat scene ahead of time would've made it worse. Queer rage was strong with this scene lol
I haven't kept up with the show. Nothing against it, I think it's lovely; I'm just an old fart and don't often connect to teen shows much anymore. But I do always find the commentary around shows like Heartstopper being "too feel-good" kind of ridiculous? Like from what I have learned, Heartstopper covers: toxic (or outright abusive) relationships, neglectful or abandoning parents, eating disorders/self harm, other mental health disorders, homophobic and transphobic bullying, the larger topic of systemic transphobia that's impacting trans youth. The more videos like this I watch the more intense the show sounds. I just have to assume the people writing this off as pure fluff haven't watched a single episode at this point.
people like the interviewer are why i am not confident in coming out to my mom ... if i had to, it would be when i'm out of the house, i have a pack of tissues in hand, a tub of "fuck off" attitude, and a bottle of confidence to drink anytime the conversation makes my throat dry. i need tips pls 😭
there's this expections that queer people have to make this big declaration of who they are but thats due to heteronormativity and you don't owe your mom or anyone else that info. like, no matter which lgbtq communities you're part of, you're not a debate and you should be you and be safe to be you. you dont owe anyone a coming out. if you want to i wish you the best but you being you is enough reason to be proud so go be proud of yourself!
for coming out tho id also advise checking in on this topic in a general contexts to get an overall idea of opinions and definitively making sure you're safe if you think it could put you in danger. sad as it is, safety comes first. take the time you need, you got this!
@@notmydidea i guess it's kind of the guilty thought of "if i transition without anyone in my family knowing, then what's going to happen? what if i have no choice but to come out if i decide to visit on the week of christmas or thanksgiving?" and it drives me down a loophole. especially since i'm sure hrt would aid in masculinizing my voice (my voice is already masculinized but just still having a trace of feminine). i'm a baby trans so these thoughts just eat me up because it's a 50/50 chance of either losing my mom or gaining a supportive peer in my life
@@caffeizo personally; i dont see my big family a lot so while dad's side knows and is chill now, most from my mom's side dont know and since i dont talk to them that much it hasnt been a huge deal and i'll just see when i do come out to them. But thats just my personal experience and knowing you see them on holidays can deffo make things different.
wow, i literally commented on something of yours yesterday that i would love to know your thoughts on heartstopper 😂😂😂 this was so well explained and even though i already understood the scene, i feel like i have better vocab and articulation now to explain it!
I really love how the Heartstopper show has queer actors playing queer characters, because it’s so important for these stories to be portrayed authentically! 💜
I just watched that episode yesterday, and I got so mad on behalf of Elle. Also, I felt really bad about working in media. I love your channel and I’m always learning something new.
I've watched season 3 four times now, but I've only watched that scene once. I just can't bare to watch it again, it was so malicious and unfair. And while there are a fair few difficult moments and situations in this season, all of those got resolved relatively positively, but the radio scene was just a bad moment that didn't get a positive resolution, or really any at all. We don't see the radio woman again, no one learned from their mistakes and there were no apologies. Also, Elle is really still just a kid, she's 16/17 years old, even if her art includes references to her being trans, I still don't feel any of those questions - even the first few 'mild' ones - were appropriate to ask a 16/17 year old.
I love the show. I was kind of prepared that S3 would be darker and heavier than before because of the interviews I watched. But it goes along with the graphic novel, that went a lil bit dark too. I got very upset when I watched this specific scene but I also thought it’s good that it’s been shown. Like you said, things like this are happening in real life. And it’s getting worse even in the more open minded countries. And it’s important that a lot of people are getting aware of that. I’m scared of what is coming up to us as humanity. As a woman and a human being. We need shows like Heartstopper that’s shows in an “entertaining” way what is going on. In my opinion.
Speaking of trans art... I just got a couple of my pieces accepted into an art show for trans artists! Luckily, I'm in California, but I feel so bad for trans people in the UK. It seems so awful there!
I suspect the "gender-neutral bathroom" topic was brought up to show the interviewer was actually giving no quarter, since gn bathrooms might be seen as a compromise?
Heartstopper as a show has made me a bit uncomfortable due to the fandom, since most of the fans I’ve come across are straight girls obsessed with gay couples in a fetish way, like how yaoi is catered to hetero women.
Commenting for the algorithm since I have to skip this video, I was interested since I didn't know what happened in the newest season but I already stopped the books at about the third one bc of ED content that was just a little too much for me, and i know I can't sit through the transphobic content right now. Great video as always though, no hate to anyone that enjoys the show! 💞
Oh god this was horrible to watch. I cried, felt anxious, all the feels - and I'm not even trans. The show did a terrific job describing the actual pain and horror of a trans person going through something like that. Transphobes don't even seem to get that they are actually hurting REAL PEOPLE and not some imaginary creatures. How someone can be so cruel & blind is beyond me. This made me so angry.. again.
i think you should change the title. its clear from watching the video that its a trans positive show but someone reading the title and moving on might go away thinking that the show itself is transphobic
So ... I have a few ... somewhat unrelated questions: QUESTION 1: If someone believes that real psychics are very few, and most are fake (lying for money and/or for attention and/or because they enjoy taking advantage of people) -- is that person psychicphobic? This is a serious question I want an answer to. QUESTION 2: If someone believes ALL psychics are fake and NONE of them are real -- is THAT person psychicphobic? This is also a serious question I want an answer to. PS: This post is ONLY for people who WANT to DIRECTLY answer THESE 2 direct questions. Feel free to explain your answer and compare to other things IF you want. If you don't want to explain and/or don't want to answer, then don't. Thank you.
I really appreciate this scene. The 'feminist' thing makes my blood boil though. And it's so sad given how young she is. It'd be bad if she was any age but she's a kid. How could the interviewer not be ashamed of herself?
The bathroom discussion is always so stupid because A) if men wanted to assault women in their bathrooms they could literally already do that B) Cis Men do in fact assault women, kill women, abuse women, mostly in their own homes and in public institutions at rates that are way too high and the same people that are big on raising concerns about trans women using the bathrooms they have used since forever don't give a rats arse and do nothing to advocate for solutions to the actual, widespread issues and that women face.
"I'm getting so mad over a fictional scenario" Except you aren't. You're getting mad over a fictional _depiction_ of actually real scenarios that happen to trans individuals, there's a difference. You're right to be mad about it, so is everyone else who are mad about how Elle was put in that position
Also the title scared the shit out of me thinking this was going to be a video calling Heartstopper out for being transphobic as a whole :'D
❤that deserves to be pinned
oh my god the title- i thought you were gonna say the show is transphobic i was so scared
i love hearstopper if s3 was somehow transphobic i would have cried
I don't even watch it, but I've heard great things and one of my best friends loves the show, I was so concerned when I saw the title-
Ngl, if Heartstopper s3 was transphobic- I’dve cried too...
@@riazmiah2327 Do you need Jammie to tell you it's transphobic? Or are you able to make up your own mind? Or is Jammie the oracle on what's transphobic and what isn't?
afaik the show itself isn't transphobic, but the creator is (as well as racist and a z*onist) so pirating it is the best option
@@alyamd805maybe they haven’t watched it and would decide not to if it were transphobic? or maybe they’re cis and would defer to the more nuanced opinion of a trans person on what is or isn’t transphobic? especially if it turned out to be like very subtle transphobia or a microagression that people might miss if it’s not something they’ve experienced. that does not mean they’re unable to form their own opinion or that they view jamie as an “oracle”
Bigots: ‘Minors shouldn’t transition they are too young’
Also bigots: ‘As a minor. What is your opinion on this sensitive topic which I am blindsiding you with and tricked you in to attending’
It felt like a ‘I can’t win a debate against an adult so I’ll pick on a child’
I don't think children can consent to permanent bodily changes. Doesn't mean I'm a bigot or against trans people. Heck, I'm part of the LGBTQIA+ community myself.
To be fair, the trans bathroom issue did increase the assault of cis women.. because transphobes have assaulted more masculine looking cis women, thinking they were trans.
Just let people use the toilet in peace.😭
The ridiculousness of the bathroom complaints astounds me. I share bathrooms with trans people every day and have never been afraid or even close to assaulted. My sister was assaulted in a bathroom by other girls when she was in high school. Does my anecdotal example mean it would never happen? No, but the stats back up my experience more than the alternative.
There are truly challenging questions around gendered aspects of society and where trans people fit in. I think there are honest arguments, for example, about sports teams (I know where I land, but I do understand where the other side is coming from on that). But the bathroom thing is just a non-issue.
My father interviewed a few people a year or two ago, all in the "music world" (singers, and all of that) and one of them was a woman who directed an orchestra. She actually agreed to do the interview, on the basis that they would only talk about music, and not about the fact that she's a woman in a man's world, because she was fed up with people never actually talking about her music, whereas other directors were never asked what it was like to be a man in a man's world, and they got to talk about their actual jobs. And I think about that a lot
Yeah that's so comment. I feel like as an interviewer you really should only bring it up if it comes up. I know plenty of artists and feminist that wants to make their positions public and really be open about what it's like or how it impacts them. But there's women who just don't, feminist or not, they don't owe people to have any specific position or to make any of them public, like trust that it will be brought up if they want to.
wow!!!!!!! That's so true! eye-opening!
THIS!!
I was watching this and I was so mad for Elle. She's one of my favourite characters and she's so lovely and didn't deserve any of this especially since the point for Elle was to talk about her art. I was so happy that Tao tried to help the best he could as a straight guy and as her boyfriend. I definitely cried when I saw this season.
SAME, my heart dropped when the interviewer mentioned “wanting to consider perspectives on both sides,” and you see Elle feeling absolutely trapped. I’m SO glad they showed representation of her parents supporting her, and her very natural state of shock (followed by lovely moments with her art friends and Tao 💖).
@@silvermoon2281 yes me too! The parents were so sweet and I'm so glad Elle had Tao as well as her other friends who could also understand how she feels about being trans too.
I (a trans girl) changed my name to Elle because of hearstopper I didn't change it because of hearstopper but I just couldn't find a good name until I found out about Elle and heartstoppper
Heartstopper a good example of why we need more queer creatives invovled in media. You wouldn't typically find this type of conversation in any cishet made media.
For people who are reading comments before watching the entirety of the video: It's not about the show itself or a person involved in the show being transphobic it's about a scene in season 3 that depicts transphobia.
As I was watching this scene I legit felt my heart drop as the questions started turning. I had my happy goggles on and was just excited for Elle and felt like I'd been hit over the head. Like, wait, what, no. It was heartbreaking to see her face change.
Between Alice's initial highlighting of the issue in the episode itself, and your response here, its definitely informative of a very problematic issue in media. I for one would be very apprehensive about being interviewed. It sucks for people who have to deal with this like Elle does in the show, Yasmin nailed the performance imo
Honestly I loved that they added this scene because its especially relevant and the moment, and the way Heartstopper handles these things is incredible. Yasmin did a really good job. I wanted to hug her so badly and throw hands with the radio host.
I’ve just (binge) read the comics, so pondered that this didn’t sound familiar. But it’s an added scene, heard there’s some added characters too. Have just watched a “sweetest moments “ compilation to see a bit how the graphic novels have been turned into a tv show.
oh my god you scared me for a second 😭 but it’s wonderful to hear that such a popular show is addressing these things. we really need all the support and awareness we can get right now
I want to use “No ifs, no buts, no coconuts.” more often.
I need it on a t-shirt being said by a dinosaur.
Wait wait, how did I miss that Heartstopper s3 is out. Let's gooo!
(I will rewatch the video when I have watched the season!)
good luck have the tissues ready
As someone who has never watched Heartstopper, and probably never will, I don’t know what I’m doing here.
You should watch it, it’s very cute
Nobody cares that you'll "probably never watch it."
This isn't the counterculture olympics, go elsewhere.
@@mc-rn8ro Rude
@@mc-rn8ro woah that's a little aggressive, they never said that because it's bad or something
Same here 💀
I think you make a really important point re: the way the bathrooms issue comes up - there's this constant problem of the air in the room being sucked up by the transphobes' claims, and that means there's probably a ton of people who don't even grasp that the implications of excluding trans people is having a class of people who literally have no right to a very basic public convenience. Like, this is an issue of trying to introduce exclusion of a vulnerable minority into a public health context, and it's frustrating how transphobic rhetoric constantly leads and drives the wider conversation. I did really appreciate the way they showed the sort of media ambush that happens to people like Elle in real life. I felt for her so much, and yeah, it was terrible from a safeguarding POV.
The whole time I was watching that I kept wondering if Yasmin Finney even needed to act in that scene 😬
Not to take away the fact the Yasmin Finney is a hugely talented actor, that scene just felt so real.
I'm not exactly a celebrity, but I have a small following on TikTok, and it's so exhausting being made to feel like an ambassador for all trans people every single day. Yes, I do post trans-focused content, but even on videos that are totally unrelated to my identity, there will be comments essentially asking me to justify my own existence, right there on the spot, in less than 200 characters. I hate that it's just a fact of life for trans people at this point. If you exist in the public gaze at all, there will always be someone trying to put you on the spot and force you to answer their questions on behalf of the entire trans community.
The attack and spin that you can either be trans or a feminist is crazy
So many cis women are so far away from feminism I really struggle to see the link (cough cough interviewer on radio)
That sort of take pisses me off so much. Trans people are included in feminism, if you are an active bigot, you are not a feminist.
It seems so weird as well, so many people want to separate cis women and trans ppl (I know it’s the thing of ‘protect the poor women🥺’), even though some trans ppl are literally women and some trans ppl are affected by the same things cis women are because they are afab.
It is not trans rights or women’s rights, both will benefit the other and are equally important.
I liked that they included the way the media and a lot of ignorant people deal with and talk about trans people. I also think that showing the more subtle levels of transphobia and how damaging it is is apropriate considering that the character is a teenager and that the show in general has a more optimistic way of dealing with experiences of queerness etc.
welp. after being subbed to jamie for like. two years. my egg got annihilated this morning. :)
brother/sister/sibling how did it take you this long 😭 /lhj
Keep going. As scary as it can be it is also very freeing and rewarding
@@theMyRadiowasTaken i was always going "welll i wanna be a girl but not in a trans way" and then i realised. oh shit i mean in a trans way. so here we are.
@@thatboredaroace Well congrats on figuring yourself out lol. I kind of had the same realization. I found I didn't really... understand gender all that much or how I feel about my *own* gender but I was just like eh I just find gender to be a strange in and of itself but that doesn't mean I'm trans.... I'm genderqueer lmao
congratulations and best wishes on your journey! Wherever being trans or nonbinary takes you and whatever transition you choose to pursue, you are valid and real regardless. You are loved, cracked egg :)
3:19 Jamie really said: “Honey, you’ve got a big storm coming!”
"Trans identities"...🚩🚩🚩🚩 I just love how Tao and her parents had her back. Mum was ready to throw down with that host.
I love Heartstopper💛 The show helped me realise that I'm aroace like Isaac.
I'm cis and I get anxiety just listening to your description of the plot. So sorry that trans people often have to experience this in real life.
S3 is incredible! The issues and conversations that are brought up are so important and often stigmatized by young people because of how uncomfortable the topics are. I absolutely loved every second! I laughed, I cried, I yelled at the screen… it was an emotional rollercoaster 🫠😭
heartstopper is great with Introducing the idea of trans people to cis people. I had a watchparty with some friends and the cis ones asked me and my also trans now boyfriend about the dysphoria that elle had, and it was so cool to just have them ask and like... understand!
Well said Jamie. The scene was infuriating and distressing - even for this 65-year-old cis gay bloke. And "Elle" is only 16 in the programme, and was used, disappointed and crushed. I imagine Yasmin has plenty of her own experience to draw on, but still found it difficult to act in.
Ugh, yes, the amount of 'debate with me your right to exist' conversations that trans people much endure is heartbreaking
the interview also got Elle really down about her art for subsequent episodes and i thought that was really powerful to portray to show the impact these types of negative experiences can cause.
Favourite show + Favourite LGBTQ+ youtuber = good times
💙LOVE HEARTSTOPPER!!!💛 I saw the episode & was so mad at the radio host!!!
i'm afraid this title is a bit misleading lol
I agree.
It is but tbf I don't know how I would word it differently. It is still about transphobia and in the show lol. It's just unfortunate there's so much transphobia in shows that it makes more sense for the first reaction to assume the show did something wrong rather than talking about the subject.
@@ArturGlass.C true. I came to the comments because if the show was transphobic I'd stop watching/watch the video first, but I was hoping it was just depiction of transphobia and I'm happy that's apparently what it is xP
So, adding this video to my watch later list instead.
@ArturGlass.C . "the transphobes in heartstopper" would have worked
Even more, "the transphobia _episode_ in heartstopper" @@numerousbees12
that scene pissed me off so much
Right. I was so sad for El, just wanted to hug her
Yeah I just wanted to punch Katy for doing that to Elle, who was just being herself
The moment I saw that scene, I was like, “JAMIE MIGHT REACT TO THIS! I need to know what he will think of this.”
Darcy had Anti-Homophobia Cheese, Australian legends have canned tomato products.
P.S. This season hit me like a ton of bricks.
Season 3 was brilliant and all the harder topics were handled very well and with great care and for me this season there was a character and a scene I really related to and that is Imogen and her conversation with Nick during their Uni open day tour. Imogen talks about portraying comp het (compulsory heterosexuality) all the time because that is what is expected from her by society and by those around her and how she never really liked boy and felt nothing when with the boys she "dated" and feels she only dated them to have the image of having a boyfriend. I related so much to that. I am lesbian but didn't come out until i was around 20. I am now 26. And that was becasue I was portraying comp het for so long. I had boyfriends in high school and college because that's what you did. it was the way to fit in and survive those environments. But i felt nothing with those guys I was with. Everything felt empty and flat and forced. I was also sexually assaulted by one of the guys I was with as well. When I stopped forcing myself to do comp het and just let myself be me I felt so much freer. I love where I am in my life now and thankfully coming out was good for me because I have a good family. But I was lost for so long. So I love that Heartstopper showed this. I felt really seen. I was Imogen. I am Imogen. Her story, is my story.
i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy 😭
i really wish people didn't act like you can just "ungay" as if it works like that. that perspective just enforces comp het because of a forced avoidance of expressing interest in people of the same gender as you, like there should be some sort of shame in being queer.
This reminds me of an interview a little time ago on a German YT channel where a trans women had to talk to a politician who is part of the right-wing extremist party, over here in Germany. And this host just sat there and was like "we have to hear both sides!" while the politician constantly lied and the trans woman had to correct him. The host was like "we don't know what is true!" and smiled. This talk was about the new self-id law starting next month. While there were big texts on the screen explaining the truth (about the new law), it was not claryfied in the show itself. Who would stop to read a text that is longer than 2 or 3 lines? That way, lies were spread. Again.
Leroy is really just a stone ngl, but at least he got the shitstorm he deserved after this shit.
Also good for Hannah that she ended that interview when she couldn't take it anymore
I learned more about the interview in this video because I couldn’t even register what the interviewer was saying due to my own anger at how Elle was being treated.
"With one final spurt of bullshit" ill have to remember that line. Love the your video and the show alot!
It's implied that the bullying Elle faced in the past was really severe and that that is why Tao is so extremely protective to the point where he comes across as rude and possessive.
It was really, really interesting to hear your view on that scene. I'm glad you shared it! I've watched Season 3 and I very much enjoyed it. I also love what the show is doing for representation!
And the fact that Elle still gives the benefit of the doubt to the interviewer, and says that she probably consider herself as an ally when she obviously doesn't
I just finished s3 half an hour ago, so this came at the perfect moment!
I'm not aware of the full context and I know it's not the exact same but it is a very similar situation but I have seen a video of Bimini Bomb Bolash (sorry I can't remember how to spell their name) talk about how when they were asked to go on a show to talk about their book I believe and they were asked to go in a performance outfit like a bright pink thong and panty set and they immediately canceled because they knew that they weren't going to be taken seriously talking about the actual issue that they were contacted about. It's very similar in my mind like the intention was to exploit their Fame and their gender identity for whatever they wanted to talk about.
So this *adult* brings a teen on and tries to make an example of her? I hope she's fired and i hope the teacher apologized (if she didn't do this deliberately).
Bro thank god I thought Heartstopper was being transphobic 😭 I mean it still isn't good but like its better
I think that if they made the interview as bad as it can be in reality there would have been a risk of the audience finding it unbelievable. Reality can be a lot worse than some people realise and showing just a taste can be enough to get sympathy while being totally accurate can make people think it too much to be possible.
I'm glad Heartstopper included the scene, (and I'm really glad you did this video talking about it!) but oh my god it actually shattered my heart to see Elle crying in her dad's arms. To any trans people reading this. You are loved. You are valid and I will always, always have your back. Love to all! x
I watched S3 with three trans friends and I am trans myself, and when we watched this scene, we got a little suspicious when the interviewer first asked about Elle’s identity in her art. By the time we got to the end of the scene, we were all yelling at the TV. I do genuinely wonder how quickly someone who isn’t trans would catch onto the direction the conversation was going.
Thanks for your view on this. When the show was going to deal with more difficult topics knowing that they were going to have charlie's mental health, that transphobia would appear in the show. It was a good thing for it to be shown with the points you make about showing it to people in this way. It shows the deception in the interviewer that the teacher who is also trans (i am making the assumption of that though as the actor is trans) was also duped into thinking it was a positive interview.
Outside of the transphobia, it was good to see the interaction between Rebecca Root (the teacher) and Yasmin Finney as a whovian having the first trans companion in doctor who (Root) with the first one on tv (Finney).
Also to answer the last question about the season in general, the way charlie's mental health was portrayed was good in my opinion, and the pressure put on Tara as she is one of the top academic students in the school. The only problem (which I have seen other queer men pick up on) was the way that sex between men was portrayed, and that there is only one way that queer men have sex, and not a full discussion of what sex is for queer men.
The worker might not have realized how offensive the interviewer would be/was being, but picked it up from the family. She might have thought last week was last week and this was meant to "balance it out".
It was so important to me. I feel like it was perfect. People seem to only see trans people as a topic of debate, or a part of politics, and they’re neither, the only times they’re brought into that are through cis people giving opinions no one asked for. I’m tired of being treated like an object of discussion or politics or a debate, I just want to be me.
I feel like nothing shocks me anymore.
This is might be offtopic but I hope to see a level of equality for trans people where, even if a transphobe just goes on an indirect rant, someone steps up and tells them they need to chill out and get help instead of letting it go unquestioned to not upset the transphobe. This happened to me recently and it was pretty awkward and messed up.
i love Heartstopper so much. it’s beautiful that Elle’s art teacher is played by a trans woman, but her transness is never alluded to in the show. that shows there’s more to people than their gender identity.
Title gave me a heart attack until I remembered that scene lol
I think i watched only the first season. I really liked it. I learned a lot. I look forward to watching more.
Damn man, the title scared the shit out of me
Oooh as soon as I saw that scene I thought about what Jamie's thoughts would be! I'm excited about watching this video. I thought the way the show approached it was so important and tactful
This was my favourite scene in the entire season. Its so important and its done so well. I read the comics, and it wasn't a thing, so it blind sided me and I am so happy it did, knowing about hat scene ahead of time would've made it worse. Queer rage was strong with this scene lol
I haven't kept up with the show. Nothing against it, I think it's lovely; I'm just an old fart and don't often connect to teen shows much anymore. But I do always find the commentary around shows like Heartstopper being "too feel-good" kind of ridiculous? Like from what I have learned, Heartstopper covers: toxic (or outright abusive) relationships, neglectful or abandoning parents, eating disorders/self harm, other mental health disorders, homophobic and transphobic bullying, the larger topic of systemic transphobia that's impacting trans youth. The more videos like this I watch the more intense the show sounds. I just have to assume the people writing this off as pure fluff haven't watched a single episode at this point.
people like the interviewer are why i am not confident in coming out to my mom ...
if i had to, it would be when i'm out of the house, i have a pack of tissues in hand, a tub of "fuck off" attitude, and a bottle of confidence to drink anytime the conversation makes my throat dry.
i need tips pls 😭
there's this expections that queer people have to make this big declaration of who they are but thats due to heteronormativity and you don't owe your mom or anyone else that info. like, no matter which lgbtq communities you're part of, you're not a debate and you should be you and be safe to be you. you dont owe anyone a coming out. if you want to i wish you the best but you being you is enough reason to be proud so go be proud of yourself!
for coming out tho id also advise checking in on this topic in a general contexts to get an overall idea of opinions and definitively making sure you're safe if you think it could put you in danger. sad as it is, safety comes first. take the time you need, you got this!
@@notmydidea i guess it's kind of the guilty thought of "if i transition without anyone in my family knowing, then what's going to happen? what if i have no choice but to come out if i decide to visit on the week of christmas or thanksgiving?" and it drives me down a loophole. especially since i'm sure hrt would aid in masculinizing my voice (my voice is already masculinized but just still having a trace of feminine). i'm a baby trans so these thoughts just eat me up because it's a 50/50 chance of either losing my mom or gaining a supportive peer in my life
@@caffeizo personally; i dont see my big family a lot so while dad's side knows and is chill now, most from my mom's side dont know and since i dont talk to them that much it hasnt been a huge deal and i'll just see when i do come out to them. But thats just my personal experience and knowing you see them on holidays can deffo make things different.
hey jamie did you know heartstopper has books? you should read them when you have the time!
I may be wrong but I think he's already read them. He definitely knows they exist though.
oh cool!
I've been curious about Heartstopper!
wow, i literally commented on something of yours yesterday that i would love to know your thoughts on heartstopper 😂😂😂 this was so well explained and even though i already understood the scene, i feel like i have better vocab and articulation now to explain it!
I really love how the Heartstopper show has queer actors playing queer characters, because it’s so important for these stories to be portrayed authentically! 💜
I just watched that episode yesterday, and I got so mad on behalf of Elle. Also, I felt really bad about working in media. I love your channel and I’m always learning something new.
I've watched season 3 four times now, but I've only watched that scene once. I just can't bare to watch it again, it was so malicious and unfair. And while there are a fair few difficult moments and situations in this season, all of those got resolved relatively positively, but the radio scene was just a bad moment that didn't get a positive resolution, or really any at all. We don't see the radio woman again, no one learned from their mistakes and there were no apologies. Also, Elle is really still just a kid, she's 16/17 years old, even if her art includes references to her being trans, I still don't feel any of those questions - even the first few 'mild' ones - were appropriate to ask a 16/17 year old.
Nah I was actually scared cause like so SO much of profits go t9 thing like the Trevor project and I was like WHAT-
I love the show. I was kind of prepared that S3 would be darker and heavier than before because of the interviews I watched. But it goes along with the graphic novel, that went a lil bit dark too. I got very upset when I watched this specific scene but I also thought it’s good that it’s been shown. Like you said, things like this are happening in real life. And it’s getting worse even in the more open minded countries. And it’s important that a lot of people are getting aware of that. I’m scared of what is coming up to us as humanity. As a woman and a human being. We need shows like Heartstopper that’s shows in an “entertaining” way what is going on. In my opinion.
Speaking of trans art... I just got a couple of my pieces accepted into an art show for trans artists!
Luckily, I'm in California, but I feel so bad for trans people in the UK. It seems so awful there!
I see jammi vid, I do click
Love you Jamie!!💛💛🥔🥔 Love HeartStopper!!😊😊
Amazing video
Yes I binge watched it while doing geography homework
I suspect the "gender-neutral bathroom" topic was brought up to show the interviewer was actually giving no quarter, since gn bathrooms might be seen as a compromise?
Teacher? Teacher, where are you??
Day 273 of asking for OT, Jammidodger, TheClick and TheLexiKitty to collab
Even though I don't really like Hearstopper (because british people) I'm glad they're talking about topics like this!
Heartstopper as a show has made me a bit uncomfortable due to the fandom, since most of the fans I’ve come across are straight girls obsessed with gay couples in a fetish way, like how yaoi is catered to hetero women.
Who else binge watched heartstopper season 3 in one day 👇
I am way too old for this show but I am glad they wrote this scene and hope more shows tackle these issues.
Tbf elle says exactly that; that her existence isn't a debate
Commenting for the algorithm since I have to skip this video, I was interested since I didn't know what happened in the newest season but I already stopped the books at about the third one bc of ED content that was just a little too much for me, and i know I can't sit through the transphobic content right now. Great video as always though, no hate to anyone that enjoys the show! 💞
THERE IS A TYPO IN THE DESCRIPTION
Where?
@@Sam-l4r it was fixed, it said hearstopper instead of heartstopper
I like this new trend of rating or analyzing trans episodes of TV and Media.
this moment was such a standout for me, it was spectacular
the title SCARED ME.
Til there's a 3rd season of Heartstopper. Time to binge
Oh god this was horrible to watch. I cried, felt anxious, all the feels - and I'm not even trans. The show did a terrific job describing the actual pain and horror of a trans person going through something like that. Transphobes don't even seem to get that they are actually hurting REAL PEOPLE and not some imaginary creatures. How someone can be so cruel & blind is beyond me. This made me so angry.. again.
Nice video I’m so glad I found your channel at a young age to understand trans issues thanks for making these videos
I hate that.I knew what was going to happen with the interview before it happened
i think you should change the title. its clear from watching the video that its a trans positive show but someone reading the title and moving on might go away thinking that the show itself is transphobic
The title scared me and confused me (゜ロ゜)
So ... I have a few ... somewhat unrelated questions:
QUESTION 1: If someone believes that real psychics are very few, and most are fake (lying for money and/or for attention and/or because they enjoy taking advantage of people) -- is that person psychicphobic? This is a serious question I want an answer to.
QUESTION 2: If someone believes ALL psychics are fake and NONE of them are real -- is THAT person psychicphobic? This is also a serious question I want an answer to.
PS: This post is ONLY for people who WANT to DIRECTLY answer THESE 2 direct questions. Feel free to explain your answer and compare to other things IF you want. If you don't want to explain and/or don't want to answer, then don't. Thank you.
I really appreciate this scene. The 'feminist' thing makes my blood boil though. And it's so sad given how young she is. It'd be bad if she was any age but she's a kid. How could the interviewer not be ashamed of herself?
The bathroom discussion is always so stupid because A) if men wanted to assault women in their bathrooms they could literally already do that B) Cis Men do in fact assault women, kill women, abuse women, mostly in their own homes and in public institutions at rates that are way too high and the same people that are big on raising concerns about trans women using the bathrooms they have used since forever don't give a rats arse
and do nothing to advocate for solutions to the actual, widespread issues and that women face.
I'm cis she/her human being, and this made me rage, especially because I can see this happening. I had to stop watching for a couple of minutes
Hi, Jamie!
I f*cking loved this season :3