460 S&W In A Nutshell - Ultimate Cartridge Breakdown
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2023
- In today's video, we will be breaking down the 460 S&W based on 10 different categories and giving it an overall score out of 100 points. The 460 S&W is currently the world's fastest production revolver cartridge, producing nearly as much muzzle energy as the 500S&W. Let's see how it scores. Thanks for watching!
Revolver used has a 10.5” barrel
Load used - Hornady 200 gr FTX @ 2,200 fps - 2,149 ft/lbs muzzle energy
* Not all projectiles/factory ammunition offerings are available at the time of recording. Some projectiles in a given diameter may not be suitable/useful for the cartridge being discussed (ex. Not all 0.308” bullets are suitable/useful in a 308 Winchester). Reloading can be dangerous and should only be done by competent individuals. If you choose to reload, always ensure your load data is from a reputable source and is rated for your specific firearm. Pricing and quantities reflect values at the time of recording. Supersonic range values assume a minimum supersonic velocity of 1,135 feet per second at sea level and a temperature of 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel testing is setup at 50 yards for rifle cartridges and 25 yards for handguns using A529 gr 55 mild steel.
*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Shooting steel can be dangerous, so do not try any of these tests at home! - Розваги
"Do I really want to feed my children tonight, or do I want this box of ammo?" 🤣🤣🤣 PERFECT analogy!
I got that single white guy money. A man with a wife and three kids has to have $20 to match my $1.
Ammo
@@mattmarzulame too. Spent a $100 blowing up watermelons one afternoon with my 45/70.
I got a line on a 460 with 14 inch barrel. Hope to get it.
With a cylinder machined for moon clips the 460 can shoot: 460, 454, 45 colt, 45 Schoefield, 45 acp, 45 super, 45 win-mag, 45 bushmaster, 45 raptor. basically any .452 diameter bullet on a straight wall cartridge that does not exceed a chamber pressure of 65,000 psi. When machined for moon clips Its like the most versatile gun.....EVER!
Wait, I need moon clips? I thought I could fire those without any modification.
@@TurnAGundam Cylinder modifications and moon clips are only needed for rimless auto cartridges.
You don't need moonclips for any of those??
I really have to agree with you about the 460 being the more useful when compared to the 500. There are just so many options for factory ammo and there’s practically no end to the handloads you can use.
I'm really digging these breakdowns. The analogies of feeding children may not resonate with me but, the idea of them going hungry every time I squeeze that trigger does.
🤣
Midway USA - definitely a class act. Great people, great service.
Mine is a 460V Smith and Wesson X-frame with a 5 inch muzzle brake equipped barrel. TK Custom altered my cylinder to take their stainless steel moon clips in 45 ACP. And the moon clips also hold the 451 Detonics, 460 Rowland, 45 Super and 45 Winchester magnum cartridges using Starline brass. Versatility Maximum!!!!
Used an extra long firing pin so the rimmed cartridges are reliably fired without need of a moon clip.
You are following some of the Greats Elmer Keith and Bill Jordan both were family friends. Keep up the great work.
Should’ve done more homework. Would’ve seen the two companies that developed the ammo for the .460 to obtain the velocity of 2400 fps. Didn’t see that on your ammo search results. Didn’t see Buffalo bore for that matter. Point is, everything kinda falls to the wayside when not using the ammo it was based on to be the highest-velocity revolver cartridge in the world, firing bullets at up to 2,409 feet per second. Would be nice to see some videos on that. Love your videos. You do a good job. Keep ‘em comin.
Make your own.
@@mattmarzula What a useful comment. Dude gives feedback and you just gotta go spout stupid. Do better.
I couldn’t find any factory loads going the claimed 2,400 fps that Wikipedia and other websites were claiming. Just the 2200 fps hornady loads that I was using. Buffalo bore seemed to discontinue the 360 gr load they had, but the underwood one referenced mirrors it’s performance. I appreciate you watching and thanks for the kind words.
Have to factor in something though , when he mentioned it can shoot 45lc and 454 as well as 460. That means you can reload any combination of 45lc , 454 and 460. Given every option you have of all 3 calibers, there are a ton of options out there. The Hodgson website shows 211 available load possibilities for the 45 colt, 86 for the 454 casull, and 96 for the 460s&w.
Love the humor...great presentation. I was impressed with a friend's 460 SW...bought one and realized it was a waste of ammo to shoot without an optic. After years in my closet, I mounted an EoTech on it, purchased some Buffalo Bore 300 solids...after much practice, I took a Cape Buffalo at 27 yards and a warthog at 55 yards...one shot, each, and clean through. Very comfy carry in my shoulder holster...amazing pistol!
Actually... The .500 S&W Magnum can also fire the .500 JRH and the .500 Special. They're very uncommon rounds, though, so it's not much of a flex for the .500 S&W Magnum. That said, it is also possible to shoot a few more round out of the .460 S&W Magnum like the .45 Schofield and the .45 Auto Rim.
I will agree with your suppression assessment, this is THE LOUDEST handgun cartridge I have ever experienced! And we shoot tons of big bores on our channel.
Shhhhh, let the 460 have the rounds argument lol. I have seen a company that cuts 460 cylinders for moon clips for rimless cartridges like the 45 acp, which opens it up to even more cartridges. Why anyone would ever want to is beyond me
@bananaballistics If you can use moon clips for the .45 ACP on the .460, why not the .45 Win Mag? Oh God... I'm making this worse, aren't I?
You guys are some of my favorite channels:)))
@@GoBigBoreOrGoHomeYou bet. .451 Detonics, .460 Rowland, 45 super, 45 gap and the new .45 special.
If Tii armory ever makes a .45 Bushwhacker conversion....
By the way Sean, need another first Friday fives. Maybe a top 5 cartridges wed like to see in production. Like a 1.8 inch .500 or .510. That type stuff.
If you fire the 360 grains from the one with the 14 inch barrel the muzzle energy skyrockets to almost 3200 foot pounds. The 2860 foot pounds is based on the 8 3/8 inch barrel.
Good video as always...You forgot to mention the "gain twist" rifling...a very cool and unique feature....Drink more shine and Eat more Bacon !!
I should’ve talked about that for sure. 1-100 to 1-20 is pretty impressive. I would like to see how they cut the twist
Is this why older 460 twist on hands and the newer pc 460 don't.
I had a friend shoot a 460 and it revolver would twist in his hand.
@@bananaballistics ua-cam.com/video/Aq3vgybLeYs/v-deo.html
That is super cool with the gain twist rifling. A 21st century revolver using a rifling concept from the 19th century!
@@thepassman very true! Funny how that is , the "new riffing " over 100 years old.
Same thing with the "new" 45-70 lever actions everyone's been wanting
You had me cracking up through the whole video. I loved it
Casting and handloading changes everything for cost. That cost of ammo becomes very affordable. Add in the endless fun you can have casting and buying different bullets to load, and you have a super fun caliber to shoot in say a Big Horn Armory rifle.
Theres a chart made by s&w that talked about barrel length on a 460.
The conclusion was shooting a 200 ftx had the best proformance at 7.5 inches from a revolver, with Diminishing returns until you got to 14inches for slightly more power.
Basically saying you dont need the 10.5 inch, it also had lower velocity compared to the 7.5 inch....? Why idk but that what smith and wesson stated.
Awesome video btw , its awesome how your channel is growing :)
My first shots with the 460 were in an indoor range. That thing is the loudest firearm I’ve ever heard. When I squeezed the trigger, the percussion was so strong that dust and a ceiling tile fell out and about a half a dozen casings fell off of the top of the cinder block walls that divided the shooting lanes. After a gathered my composure and looked around, I saw 3-4 people with their faces pressed up against the back window of the shooting lane asking “What the hell was that?!” 😂
My dad and I chrono’ed the Hornady 200gr at 2768fps out of my 20” encore and it jumps like crazy, I can’t imagine shooting this out of a pistol
I want the encode, I hate they discontinued them
I got into reloading just so I can continue to feed my children and own a 460 S&W revolver.
I got into reloading just for the 460 too lol
You need a versatility score as its own category. that puts the .460 head and shoulders above a LOT of big bore revolvers.
…or
Get a S&W 629 and a Henry Big Boy in 44.
44 coming out of a 16” barrel is pretty cool, and affordable to shoot, even Underwood’s best stuff.
The Henry is a fantastic woods/shtf gun that’s really small and much lighter than an AR. Put a Holosun EPS Carry on it using a Phoenix mount.
The pair is my northern Idaho go-to with the 629 in a Gunfighter’s Kenai.
I own a 460 S&W love the gun. It's a tack driver.
Great that you consider how a working man may spend his money while supporting a family .. "Each pull of the trigger is a child's meal" :D
I rented one with the 8.375 barrel at a gun store outside of Charlotte Nc. Got twenty rounds so my college roommate and i could load it up and have two turns each. They put us in the four bay rifle side of the indoor range. There was an instructor working with a student when we went in. When he saw the gun he grabbed his student and stepped out until we finished. He said "that barrel is ported, we don't want to be standing next to him when he fires it". Cameras do a really poor job capturing the fireball that comes out of that gun when you fire it. I was expecting so much more kick but it really wasn't bad. Gun is so heavy it tames it down pretty well. I finally have some expendable cash and have started looking for one at my local stores.
Took my 460 to the indoor range I use to frequent with the intent of shooting 45LC. (I knew they didn’t allow 500 or other big bore guns). I no more than pulled the gun out of the bag when the range master came running over saying I couldn’t shoot that there!!!! I then let him know I was only going to shoot 45LC.
It’s very strange to shoot 45LC out of a 460! As you showed, no recoil and it sounds really really weird!!!
I love these breakdowns. Could you make a playlist so other break downs are easier to find?
Great video!! 460"s are tons of fun! Like you said, DO NOT forget your hearing protection - tinnitus will pay you a visit and not leave for a while. Also, reloading truly is your friend if you want to eat!!
I’ve had my Performance Center .460 magnum and I must say it’s my favorite revolver caliber to. And yes it’s better than the .500 for it’s ability to shoot three calibers and accuracy is like a laser.
And, and, it is a flat shooter out to 200 yards! Also has better energy further down range. Not up close of course.
Another great video and the .460 is so awesome
Atta boy!!! Man of your word. Well done :)
Staying supersonic up to 300 yards out of a pistol? That's real shit.
I absolutely LOVE my .460
I'm not sure when midway USA started but I can't remember how long they have been my go place for everything outdoors and even some indoors stuff as well
Great info thanks for sharing
I love it. How about scoring the .44 and .357 I know they are old school but still available and probably less expensive.
Highly educational. Extremely scientific. ❤
What a way to start my morning.
I don’t know if scientific is the word lol. I really appreciate it!
@@bananaballistics - I don't have a problem stretching it a little....
Scientifucacious?
What.....No Grind?
That looked pretty darn deep in that 3/8" plate.
Love your videos!
I would love to see a breakdown like this on the 44 mag. You can get a rifle and a hand gun for this round which means you don't have to carry two diffirent rounds when you bug out.
460 XVR AND a Big Horn Armory model 89. 200 grain flex tip and the 89 runs a 300 grain hollow point. Recoil in the pistol is mild, the lever action is a bit more stout. Wouldn't trade either...great cartridge!
You need an adaptability score, where you have gauge how adaptable is a platform to shoot different loads for different game\purpose.
Excellent review.
I think that you will find that polymer tipped projectiles are among the poorest performers against steel targets in all velocity regimes, irrespective of their higher bc's, which you probably already know!I agree with one of the other comments regarding testing the Underwood hardcast versus the 3/8" mild steel.
I have both the .460 and .500 S&W 20" barrel T/C barrels and will keep you advised when I get a chance to test them. I am currently working on seeing how what I believe to be a 75gr.
AP projectile that I found in my cartridge collection will do versus a 3/4" AR500 plate that stopped every .50 BMG round on the Whotee Who channel (where they tried essentially everything except for the SLAP rounds.
I'll be using a 25" barreled .22/243 that runs above 4,000 fps with a number of 62 gr. fmj powder combinations. It sails right through 1/2" AR500 and AR550...with the fmj's! The 3/4" AR500 target is quite a bit harder to defeat without using tungsten cores.
By the way if you can find any of the 7.92 (German) Smk-h rounds from WWII, they will beat anything else out there that doesn't require federal approval... when used in a number of different platforms. They equal or exceed the performance of any current tungsten (or other) rounds that I am aware of! Keep up the excellent work and keep your powder dry!
P.S.- The Smk-h's that I mentioned above were able to defeat a 2" thick Inconel target when pushed to velocities in the 6,000 fps range! That same target stopped multiple rounds of 20mm Lahti AP out of a good friends anti-tank cannon...and they were not even close to penetrating it! In the .50BMG the French company Anthena (back in the late 1990's) offered a PPI round that was the best performer vs.
mild steel than any other.50 rounds including the standard SLAP rounds.
It was able to penetrate 2.5"- 3.0" of cold rolled mild steel, depending upon barrel used. I haven't seen it anywhere on U-tube or the web for that matter.
Surprisingly, it did not utilize any heavy metals in its construction and weighed 750 grains and did not employ a ballistic cap which was surprising given that it was one of only 3 AP variants (out of ~ 20 (including experimentals) that did fail in some way at velocities of 5.000 - 5.500 fps, versus even the softer cold rolled non RHA steel targets!
I've noticed. You never test controlled expansion projectiles. Mainly those designed for bigger game. The Winchester elk silver tips are designed for Buffalo too.
I have on a few caliber specific videos 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor. I agree that I need to do it more
I agree.. .460 is my favorite too.
Yes!!! A 460 video!!!! I've taken 9 whitetails with my 460. So is a 450 bushmaster the same or is the 460 hotter?
The 460 is running at a much higher pressure
5". 460 S&W ,heavy hard cast alloy bullets. My under the pillow camp gun. Mountain grizzly's seldom use the zipper.😊
This guy is good. Love the stats.
The 500 S&W magnum can also shoot the 500 JRH aka 500 S&W Short magnum. JRH aka Jack Reeder Huntington yes that gunsmith.
Awesome channel 👍
Yes I like the 460 but like you said it will also shoot the 454 and 45. I just can't see spending $3000.00 or more for a pistol. I would like to find a 460es pistol for under $2000.00. I would buy that. The main reason for the 460es is it will be like my Ruger Alaskan with 2.5 inch barrel. Thanks for the video and no ads!!!
This gun can fire 454 Casull too.
yeah, but if you buy the right revolver, you'll get 6 shots instead of 5 in a handier package.
Therefor the best advise would be,
choose wisely depanding on your needs (carrying while hiking/hunting, stationary hunting, range toy,....)
It is a great option because of the multiple calibers it can shoot. It is funny because the 454 Casull was the big round not to long ago.
He's right there's not a whole lot of difference between the two. I shoot both calibers out of the 460. You have to respect the Casull.
Good Stuff
you should look at the 480 Ruger
When asked “why didn’t you buy a 500 “ I will tell them I did … twice … now I just need another 460 .. because 2 hands 😂
I think the 460 is better than the 500 😊
Agree
It's better if you want to also shoot 454 and 45 colt, but if you aren't interested in that versatility, the 500 is the way to go considering they are both prohibitive in the cost department ammo wise.
For sure 👍
I also like it better but only by a very marginal amount lol
.500 Bushwhacker has entered the chat
Great I been looking at the 460 for a long time and been looking for a good deal on one. Now you caused the prices to go up. lol
You can still find deals , I looked a week ago. The pc 10.5 inches (one in the video) was on sale for $1700.
Sometimes the price goes down because not alot of people want them.
It's really just for the rich and people who collect as cool factor.
Close to zero people edc it, or hunt with it because of better options.
When you're at the indoor range and pull out your 460 contender pistol with a giant compensator, it clears the range :)
I reload Casull using a cast 255 grn Lee 45 colt mold using WW lead. I shoot them powder coated siting on top of 14.6 grns of W231. The result is 1293 avg fps - spread of 15 fps and stdev of 7.8 fps - this load makes around 920 fpe.
This is one of my plinking loads. I tried loads as light as 6 grns of 231 without issue. About like shooting a 22 pistol.
The 460 S&W Magnum and the 450 Bushmaster are pretty close in a lot of categories. I'm a little surprised S&W hasn't made an X Frame chambered in 450 Bushmaster, they already offer one chambered in 350 Legend. A 450 Bushmaster chambered X Frame might sell more pistols for S&W to people that already have rifles chambered for it, 450 Bushmaster ammo is a LITTLE cheaper than 460 S&W Magnum and there is a pretty good variety.
You need to read the story on how the 460 came to be. It was a bragging right. I don't think they have problems selling the 460. My favorite too!
@@bp814 Not saying they are having problems selling the 460. Just saying they could probably sell even more chambered in 450 Bushmaster as people that own rifles chambered in 450 Bushmaster could use the same ammo in a big bore revolver.
@@EC-mc7vga 450 is a slower round at almost the same size bullet. You can easily make a 454 casull shoot at 450 bushmaster speeds to have identical balistics.
I have shot the 360 gr underwood out of a 5.75 inch bfr and it went through 1/4 mild steel. 1792 fps and quite a bit of recoil. That Underwood load is hot. Id like to try 5/16 steel plate.
A thing of beauty 😢
I'm big 460 S&W guy for rifle and had gun for hunting.
Dam,good,job
Definitely should have been a radio DJ 😁
To me the 460 is just a bonus extra hot load. Id mostly be shooting the other 2.
.460 s&w is the best 👌 handgun cartridge mass produced... IMHO 😎 your Bananas 🍌 lol 😆
I have the pc 460 with the 3 1/2" barrel. The thing is a hoot to shoot.
I would choose the 460 over the 500 every time. Less recoil, less expense for practicing with the option of using 45 colt and 454 casull ammo which will allow for more proficiency with the hand gun. Also, if you hit a charging bear with a 460, or 454 for that matter, in the same spot that a 500 would stop the bear, I'm pretty sure that bear is not going to shrug off that hit and keep coming.
Thats hilarious. Ive found a pile of guys that get butt hurt when you say something about the 460s&w lol. I laught at them
Now you have me curious about the .357 and a 10 mm. Yes some do call me weird 😊
I bought the 10 mm S&W 2.0 this year. I absolutely LOVE it. ❤️
you can get reloads down to $.80- $.90 a round maybe even more depends how much u re-use brass 454 & 460 uses 2 different primers so if ever shortage you can use small rifle primers for 454
also for hunting in certain states they only allow straight wall cases up to 1.8 inches and bullet can't be any larger than 45 caliber which 460 meets those regulations.
There is more 45 cal bullets but some of them shouldn't be shot out of 460 like those made for 45 acp etc...
Why would 45 acp bullets be acceptable ?
The casing no but the bullet is the same
@@oscarbear7498 going off a reloading manual it warns that 45acp projectiles are of a weaker design probably indicating it's not suited for those velocities and the high twist rate. Also that they don't have crimp grove on the projectile to hold it in place long enough for pressures to build up correctly before making contact with forcing cone.
I'd rather not reinvent the wheel I just put the amount air it's rated for to drive my car same goes for my ammo.
Same here!! .44, .460, .500 all get reloaded. Also use H110 powder and mag pimers for all. No confusion, no fuss, and cheaper. Foolish not to reload.
@@Guns_N_Gears h110 is sometimes the only powder to be reliable found. I never see any other power for 460 in store
@@oscarbear7498 I have noticed this as well.
It can shoot 4 different rounds. 45lc, 45 scholfeild (however ya spell it), 454 casul and of corse the 460 S&W. I've heard you can get rim clip things to shoot 45acp too, idk anything about that tho
Purchased my 460 in 2008,shoot most weekend days chasing pigs(hogs) bulk bought 300 cases,projectiles, reload never bought factory round,think getting 6 to 8 reloads each case cost $1.40 per round,ici primers work best ADI powder.
i just order a 460sw i got the die set and 100 rounds of brass just the brass was 89 and the die set was 89 as well so if i shoot about 200 rounds ive made my money back some what
Ya missed the fact that you can load .451 bullets in it with zero issue (as long as they don't have an exposed lead base). You can get stupid cheap with .45 ACP TMJ or JHP projectiles.
I have the S&W 460V 5" barrel. When I bring it to the range everyone stops and stares. It's a hand cannon, and accurate. I have not shot lead out of mine yet, only jacketed rounds.
So the range is the key. When I pulled out my 10 inch 44, my friends wife asked if I was compensating for something.
No, true story.
@@anthonythorp7291when I bring a big revolver to the range people say I probably have a tiny 🍆😂
Yay! Moar!
As for them naming it the .460 with a .452 bullet diameter, well... as a caliber nerd myself, this is extremely common. In my experience, more often than not, the actual caliber name does not match the bullet diameter. Plenty of examples where it does, but also plenty where it doesn't. Most .45 calibers are .458 in diameter. Most .30 calibers are .308 in diameter. The .270Win is .277 in diameter. It's a lot more common when the caliber name is designated in fractions of an inch rather than millimeters.
.223 is .224
I know it’s common for sure, but most calibers round down from what I have seen
The 460 will shoot 4 different cartridges. You forgot the obscure 45 Autorim.-Thanks Hickock45.
Am curious if the 500 Bushwacker could go through 3/8 steel or more.
Carry a 460 and a 500 to the range then you can keep the pocket bananas up! I was going to have a shirt printed for the range to offer $5 shots out of the 460 or 500.
I love the 460 and 500 and I say buy both why choose 😂
I dont agree on the ammo price. I have some that i bought at the gunshow that is factory load. It was $28 a box. 255gr s&b ammo. The biggest plus for is that its the fastest production handgun cartrage as well. I fired some 454 400gr hardcast and 255gr s&b and there wasnt much difference in recoil. Yes the s&b had a little more but not drastically more
I always said .460 is more powerful and way way more realistic than the 500 magnum!!! More energy for factory ammo more penetration and relevant effects.
I was looking for the 460SW vs 45/70 video but couldn't find it. Can someone link to it?
question : how's mild steel compare to level 4 plates
I also think the 460 is better and most versatile, like You could have a rifle in 460 and a revolver say with 6 inch barrel only need to carry one lot of ammo
Looks similar to the.450 bushmaster. How close is it?
If you don’t buy your ammo on midway it’s not that bad as far as price. Midway is the most expensive around
I shot a .460 revolver years ago. It hurt my sinuses. Outdoors.
Good way to get rid of those sinuses for sure
Yes, a 500 S&W revolver can fire 3 different cartridges. It can shoot the 500 S&W Magnum, the 500 Special, and the 500 JRH, but good luck trying to buy anything except the 500 Magnum.
So can it soot 2.5 410 as well?
To everyone: Your wife called, said buy one immediately.
Was that .3 seconds of “Stand Up and Shout”?
can you do 5.7x28?
I have one. Its a 8 3/4" in. Kicks a lot more than 454 5hat i run with it. Yours is nearly the same due too a longer barrel
I have such as beast and I reload for it. I find it to be easy to load for and shoot even with full power loads.
It’s definitely not that bad. Especially out of the monstrously heavy x frames
@@bananaballistics agreed man!!!! I own one of these behemoths myself and they are fuckin' fun to shoot, and the looks I get at the range whenever i'm firing it is pure comedy genius!!!!
Would it be possible to see what a 450 Bushmaster does on steel ???
He did, it's on the channel, he tested 300 blk too.
Spoiler they both sucked and didn't go through
I want to see you compare 10 mm to the 357 Magnum