I am on my 3rd 911. 1967s, 2001 996 and currently a 2013 991.1 c2. All have great qualities. Porsche sticking with the rear engine design and refining it is quite a journey. Also, the comeradery and racing history, along with the technical support, is first-rate.
The rear engine layout of the 911 gives the car a massive advantage since no other car has the same setup. The rear engine gives the car massive traction. Add AWD and you can pretty much go full throttle after exiting a corner and the car grips. No other car can exit a corner faster and without drama.
I love my 2019 991.2 4 gts, but would like to add a 987.2 Boxter S. It's ridiculous for anyone to look down on it, it's meant to be different as a mid-engine. I also love the old 944 Turbos because they were always just out of reach financially at the time, thus my run of Corvettes, to BMW Ms, to MB SL63 AMG, etc. ALL of that before finally driving my 911. I knew I was buying it after 500' down the road!
The Porsche Boxster is my vote for best sports car of all time. Regardless of year. These cars do everything so well but nothing as well as putting a smile on your face in the twisties. And I still own and love 2 911’s one of which is a GT3 Cup car. So I get it about the rear engine icon also.
I agree with you saying that we love 911ses because of the driving experience(s). But it’s definitely more than that globally. Seems to me one gets drawn to the 911 reality because of its legendary design concept. Not only the unmistakable silhouette, but what other sports car has a rear flat-6 engine and what’s more, since 1963 ! It’s a unique phenomenon in car history. As for the community and car sharing or swapping, I’m all for it, but you will no doubt agree that some 911 owners are more respectful and better (not faster) drivers than others. This has to be taken into consideration when going on road trips and such. Of course it is very exciting to drive a 911 of an older - or quite a few older - generations than the one you currently drive. In Europe most countries have Porsche Clubs. And quite a few people just gather with friends and acquaintances who own a 911 or other marques of interest worth a group tour. This I do regularly with my 911 (a 992.1 4GTS). 😎
Think I'm going to be "that guy" and say that the thing I like least about Porsche ownership is the community. It's not for the oft pointed to reasons, "snooty, focussed on value/rarity, looking down on non-911 models, etc." The reason I don't enjoy the community much is that they're all OLD AS HELL, at least where I am. The PCA events I've gone to (DMV area), everyone has been 60-80 years old; skewing older in that range. They basically take their cars to C&C events, drive to the local winery, slow drives under fall leaves, and do little things like that. Boring! I'm an [admittedly immature] 41 year old. I got this thing to DRIVE the hell out of it! I take regular trips to WV, GA, NC & TN to find the twistiest roads I can. C&C and winery cruises are okay, but I wanna be ripping the car! I've actually found my local Aston Martin community to be the most exciting. Those V8V owners like to really push their machines. I wish the Porsche groups in my area were younger and more adventurous, but they don't seem to be.
Turn in your keys and get your British piece of shit! You obviously need to reboot! At least that’s what this old man thinks… got my first 100+mph ticket at 70years old…badge of honor and I wasn’t on my way to C&C. 🤠🏁🕺🏽
I agree guys and love your videos, I've been a nerd on 911s since the age of 12, I'm 60 now. One thing you didn't mention is the continuity of the 911 design they have kept the basic design the same. That has ensured that they keep their residuals high and as we know some models have gone through the roof.😊😊😊
I have been saying this for years too. For example, take a look at a Corvette from 30 years ago or even longer and then take a look at the modern Corvette. They look nothing alike. You would never know that the new one is derived from that original Corvette. Now take a look at a 1960’s to 1970 Porsche 911 and it looks exactly the same except way smaller. But you’ll always know it’s a 911.
Learning Porsche Type numbers (993, 996, etc.) can also be done in a systematic but introductory context in my book - "Porsche Decades", along with all the other basics of the Porsche story. Regarding the community, Porsche has cultivated a family atmosphere within the company and the customer base from the beginning. The clubs and the customers keep that going and also support strong resale value for the sports cars. Regarding design and styling, no manufacturer has been as loyal to a form language as Porsche. There is great history to that but one thing to note is that in 75 years only five men have led the styling function for Porsche.
@7:56 wow, never in my life did i think i’d hear a Porsche diehard call a 944 a Porsche vehicle. i like 911’s but always had a thing for 944’s, the turbo just looks so good and it does a lot of things well. i think it’s good Porsche offers other models but i feel they’re always in the shadow of the 911 since they feel it has to be kept on a pedestal. the cayman has really looked good to me too. don’t agree how Porsche purposely holds back performance of its other models, are they that scared no one would think the 911 is good anymore?
@@RennthusiastSome ideas: How vintage/classic do you want to go? Determine your personal “peak” Porsche. Sunroof or no sunroof Sportomatic v. Tiptronic v. PDK Boxster compared to 911 cabriolet Targa v cabriolet Best generation Targa 911 market segments Color selection and rationale (resale? Whim? History?) Essential periodicals, podcasts, books Return of the 912? Best looking 911 generation and rationale Wheel and tire choices by 911 generation Restomod or restoration Some of these are probably better than others…
Every car brand have internal codes for the models. And the enthusiasts who are a bit deeper into their brand are using that codes when they are talking about these cars. So totally normal you guys are doing the same...
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I’m down with longer episodes! Great content guys! Appreciate the wisdom!
I am on my 3rd 911. 1967s, 2001 996 and currently a 2013 991.1 c2. All have great qualities. Porsche sticking with the rear engine design and refining it is quite a journey. Also, the comeradery and racing history, along with the technical support, is first-rate.
The rear engine layout of the 911 gives the car a massive advantage since no other car has the same setup. The rear engine gives the car massive traction. Add AWD and you can pretty much go full throttle after exiting a corner and the car grips. No other car can exit a corner faster and without drama.
Great video. Merry Christmas to the both of you! 🎄
Thank you for all the good content and interesting comments.
Appreciate what you do!
Merry Christmas 🎄
Great episode gents, keep it up!
I love my 2019 991.2 4 gts, but would like to add a 987.2 Boxter S. It's ridiculous for anyone to look down on it, it's meant to be different as a mid-engine. I also love the old 944 Turbos because they were always just out of reach financially at the time, thus my run of Corvettes, to BMW Ms, to MB SL63 AMG, etc. ALL of that before finally driving my 911. I knew I was buying it after 500' down the road!
The Porsche Boxster is my vote for best sports car of all time. Regardless of year. These cars do everything so well but nothing as well as putting a smile on your face in the twisties. And I still own and love 2 911’s one of which is a GT3 Cup car. So I get it about the rear engine icon also.
Agree! There are no bad angles on any 911, including the 996 IMHO.
I agree with you saying that we love 911ses because of the driving experience(s). But it’s definitely more than that globally. Seems to me one gets drawn to the 911 reality because of its legendary design concept. Not only the unmistakable silhouette, but what other sports car has a rear flat-6 engine and what’s more, since 1963 ! It’s a unique phenomenon in car history.
As for the community and car sharing or swapping, I’m all for it, but you will no doubt agree that some 911 owners are more respectful and better (not faster) drivers than others. This has to be taken into consideration when going on road trips and such. Of course it is very exciting to drive a 911 of an older - or quite a few older - generations than the one you currently drive. In Europe most countries have Porsche Clubs. And quite a few people just gather with friends and acquaintances who own a 911 or other marques of interest worth a group tour. This I do regularly with my 911 (a 992.1 4GTS). 😎
Think I'm going to be "that guy" and say that the thing I like least about Porsche ownership is the community. It's not for the oft pointed to reasons, "snooty, focussed on value/rarity, looking down on non-911 models, etc." The reason I don't enjoy the community much is that they're all OLD AS HELL, at least where I am. The PCA events I've gone to (DMV area), everyone has been 60-80 years old; skewing older in that range. They basically take their cars to C&C events, drive to the local winery, slow drives under fall leaves, and do little things like that. Boring!
I'm an [admittedly immature] 41 year old. I got this thing to DRIVE the hell out of it! I take regular trips to WV, GA, NC & TN to find the twistiest roads I can. C&C and winery cruises are okay, but I wanna be ripping the car! I've actually found my local Aston Martin community to be the most exciting. Those V8V owners like to really push their machines.
I wish the Porsche groups in my area were younger and more adventurous, but they don't seem to be.
Turn in your keys and get your British piece of shit!
You obviously need to reboot!
At least that’s what this old man thinks… got my first 100+mph ticket at 70years old…badge of honor and I wasn’t on my way to C&C.
🤠🏁🕺🏽
I agree guys and love your videos, I've been a nerd on 911s since the age of 12, I'm 60 now. One thing you didn't mention is the continuity of the 911 design they have kept the basic design the same. That has ensured that they keep their residuals high and as we know some models have gone through the roof.😊😊😊
I have been saying this for years too. For example, take a look at a Corvette from 30 years ago or even longer and then take a look at the modern Corvette. They look nothing alike. You would never know that the new one is derived from that original Corvette. Now take a look at a 1960’s to 1970 Porsche 911 and it looks exactly the same except way smaller. But you’ll always know it’s a 911.
Exactly @@keithrichards-io5db
You are 💯% correct that you can Not fully explain the difference in driving experience. You have to experience it yourself.
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4:51 the Porsche crowd reminds me of the VW crowd when it comes to enthusiasm.
Learning Porsche Type numbers (993, 996, etc.) can also be done in a systematic but introductory context in my book - "Porsche Decades", along with all the other basics of the Porsche story. Regarding the community, Porsche has cultivated a family atmosphere within the company and the customer base from the beginning. The clubs and the customers keep that going and also support strong resale value for the sports cars. Regarding design and styling, no manufacturer has been as loyal to a form language as Porsche. There is great history to that but one thing to note is that in 75 years only five men have led the styling function for Porsche.
Don't dumb your eppisode down. Challenge the listeners to aquire more knowledge on our favorite brand, Porsche.
@7:56 wow, never in my life did i think i’d hear a Porsche diehard call a 944 a Porsche vehicle. i like 911’s but always had a thing for 944’s, the turbo just looks so good and it does a lot of things well. i think it’s good Porsche offers other models but i feel they’re always in the shadow of the 911 since they feel it has to be kept on a pedestal. the cayman has really looked good to me too. don’t agree how Porsche purposely holds back performance of its other models, are they that scared no one would think the 911 is good anymore?
Running out of topics? Next week: I remember my favorite carwash.
Let’s hear some legit suggestions. Don’t be shy, Ed.
@@RennthusiastSome ideas:
How vintage/classic do you want to go? Determine your personal “peak” Porsche.
Sunroof or no sunroof
Sportomatic v. Tiptronic v. PDK
Boxster compared to 911 cabriolet
Targa v cabriolet
Best generation Targa
911 market segments
Color selection and rationale (resale? Whim? History?)
Essential periodicals, podcasts, books
Return of the 912?
Best looking 911 generation and rationale
Wheel and tire choices by 911 generation
Restomod or restoration
Some of these are probably better than others…
First Comment!!🎉 can’t wait to hear the video
Every car brand have internal codes for the models. And the enthusiasts who are a bit deeper into their brand are using that codes when they are talking about these cars. So totally normal you guys are doing the same...
1city bridges gap between stranded humanity is Legendary Great city of Syruttgart automobile birthplace from that heritage legend of Porche carries masterpiece engineering performance & reliability but other luxury carmakers engineer deir cars for bosses not masses, Porche resale value canb mor higher than even conservative ratio highlighted dat Porche can give 60% return value other luxury car barely can give 50% top of dat porsche can last generations proven dat enthusiasts r driving 50years old porsches on daily basis great reliability of porsche especially for german petrol car
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