VZ-61 Skorpion Comparison. CSA VZ61 .380 vs Zastava M84 .32 acp. Scorpion
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The rate reducer is vital in an auto but not so much in a semi so I removed the extra weight in the M84 32 ACP pistol grip which moved up and down like a hammer (for lack of a better word) because it no longer serve any purpose.
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This would be a perfect gun if it was chambered in 7.62X25 Tokarev. Then it would be a useful pistol out to a decent range. 32acp is not a reliable round for killing out past 20 or 30 yards, same thing with.380 and 9mm Makarov. 7.62X25 has quite a bit more velocity and energy out to a short distance than any of the other rounds I mentioned. A suppressor wouldn't be as efficient with a 7.62X25 but your typical tank crew or rear echelon soldier doesn't posses a suppressor anyway. Just my opinion but I think it's worth considering.
they tried to maintain the same size of the gun with the 9mm para and it wouldnt work. the 7.62x25 wouldnt fit cos its way too long.
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@@gnutzguy he just wants it to fire them, we all think we do, it’s just an awesome round, can’t even compare it to .32
Greta review and comparisation...Fun Fact: Zastava Scorpion is one of the most favorite gun used in serbian underworld for assasinations, in book of crime theres special name for that type of murder something like serbian or belgrade ambush cos assasin will wait you till you get from the car in the right moment wherne you occupied with locking or whatever and killer gets to a target from behind and can fire small bursts or used as a pistol and the gun is very reliable always go bang, i cant even explain you how many ppl were killed by that gun and it was used by highly professional assasins usualy ex military or ex special forces...also easy to carry and easy to conceal...so if its great for them its good for us regular dudes 😉😎
its also a good weapon for personal protection instead of a pistol. thanks for the info.
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Wow I did not know they .380 ones will seat a .32 magazine! To me it sounds beneficial to own the .380 to shoot with the ability to have the occasional look of the original magazine for decoration
So true. I'm partial to steel curve mags myself 😀.
Zastava also made a version in 9mm Makarov.
I know but not available in Canada
There’s a 9x18 mak version also
Unfortunately, not imported to Canada.
5 calibers, .22LR .32ACP .380ACP 9mm P.A.K. (blank) 9x18mm Makarov.
yes, i know but in canada, i could only get 380 and 32, after this vid the 22 arrived and no plan to bring in the makarov.
@@gnutzguy I know, but the .380 is the one to have, only on a 9mm P.A.K. lower receiver, so you have a full auto version, only without rate reducer, so its shooting over 1000rpm.
@@frankrommerts5358 no, it can not do FA, the rcmp made sure of that. altho the 32 came with a reducer, the bolt is incomplete, the receiver is missing pillars and the reducer is also incomplete.
@@gnutzguy that's why you need a .380 upper receiver on a 9mm P.A.K lower receiver, those blank gun receivers are select fire, ofcourse this is highly illegal.
6 calibers if you take into account the rare and sexy vz. 68/SA 361 (which was chambered for real 9x19 parabellum rounds).
Would VZ-61 receiver fit on Zastava M84 parts?
Yes, I believe most zastava parts would fit the CSA receiver, except for the FCG.
The .22 LR has INTRATEC TEC 22 Scorpion
I have it and I enjoy it a lot
Not the same thing, lol.
@@gnutzguy . I know that. Watch the video again
The Zastava is almost identical to the original vz. 62, the CSA looks cheap and the CNC milled receiver looks primitive.
When was that M84 imported? I've seen a few in the US/Canada but can't really find any information on the subject.
cant remember exactly. maybe 8 years ago?
How well do those plastic .380 mags hold up to regular range use?
these 380 mags are fine for range use but personally, im not a big fan of plastic/ synthetic polymer mags bcos they wear out faster if not embedded with stainless steel and long term IMHO no carbon base mags will hold up.
I have a 32acp scorpion, do you know if the black grips are made at zastava? Did the czechs just make wood grips?
I recall the wood grip was optional
Hello Gnutzguy, do you know if the 32acp and 380acp barrels are easily interchangeable? Would a simple barrel swap allow me to change calibers easily?
the barrels are pinned but you do need a press. be careful not to bend the receiver out of shape.
out of curiosity, can the the 32 magazine hold any quantity of 380 ammo?
yes it can, both bullet are the same height but bcos the mag was designed for a narrower bullet, feeding issue will occur.
It's not Scorpion. It's Škorpion [SHkorpion]. But a nice video still, I love the comparison.
Also thanks for acknowledging the existence of Czechoslovakia. Ian from Forgotten weapons is really ignorant. He doesn't distinguish between Czech/Czechoslovak and Russian/Soviet. It's driving me nuts. I've tried telling him many times, but he seems to not care.
to a lot of north american, its sCorpion. since i have subscribers in both continents, i put both spelling in the subjects but you will note that in the thumbnails, its always sKorpion. its important i get the history right, i recall a viewer argued it originated in czech rep and not a czechoslovakia, i guess he didnt know the country split. thanks for watching.
He does not care, he is gun Jesus..
Nunya Business He's an American. That's not a nationality - it's a diagnosis.
@@honzabalak3462 Aw shaddap
Nunya Business I will, becouse I feel everything important has been said.
So I haven't been able to find any information on it but is the 32 receiver able to take the pressures of the 380 and or the 9mm makarov if I were to just buy another upper receiver for my vz?
I Don't understand but what ever it is, it's best you buy the same manufacturer receiver bcos there maybe a fitment issue plus the safety is different.
@@gnutzguy I'm just wondering if I can use my spare upper receiver and put the either 380 or 9mm bcg and barrel in it to see if itll work. I know the upper will at least fit but i dont know if my normal .32 acp lower can withstand the pressures and such from the calibers.
@@maxxz365 it's should bcos the lower is made of steel.
I have CSA Makarov variant of this gun and I cannot find makarov magazine where I live. Can I use .32 magazine with Makarov bullets? Please reply. Edit: spelling
no, it will not work.
Did you have to register it as an SBR? And or do they make them without the stock
for the US, they do come without the stock. they mill out the stock dovetail.
I’m sure he did have to register it as an SBR. Reason being, the vz61 are designed to shoot assault rifle billets.
@@gnutzguyright?
@@GunGonzo sorry, I don't fully know or understand SBR laws in the US. In Canada the receivers are unmolested, it comes with the folder at no additional cost.
Can you put 380 in the 32acp mag?
I'd like to build a vz61 parts kit, but I don't particularly want to buy a bunch of 32acp. (I have a bunch of 380)
yes, you can cos both are about the same length but the 380 is design for a straight mag and the 32 for a curve mag, therefore wont function well.
What would I need to turn a parts kit into a 380? Thank you for the video I didn’t even know 380 or 22 were an option.
@@maybe2714 CZ sells a modern made scorpion in 380.
Converting a vz61 original parts kit would most likely be a job for a machinist or gunsmith. You'd need a new barrel, stronger recoil spring, and maybe a different magazine etc etc.
Is it considered a stock or brace ?
Stock.
Do these still get imported or are they banned
I haven't seen any new import for several years but they are not on the ban list.
You forgot the 9mm Makarov
yes, i left it out cos it was not available to us in canada.
Attantion friend !! 9mm Makarow are very oft produced with Fe Bullets (In Russland and Middle Europ ordinarily). If You have not polygonal barrel (like for example CZ 82), please DONT USE MUNITION WITH Fe bullets without protective copper-coated layer on the surface. YOU WILL DESTROY THE INSIDE OF THE BARREL !!
I have one in 9 mak.. love it
can i get this in California ?
You thought you could get a gun in California, that’s the first issue.
@@Ahmad__Muslimit really shouldn't be that way anyways. Everyone in every state deserves their god given right to keep and bear arms
The Zastava version is better in every way.
unless you want more bang.
the safety catch on the zastava is shit... wrong direction
*machine pistol
The manual looks like it’s from a toy
but definitely not in movies, its an audience favorites. search "IMDB for guns in movies" then SA VZ61 Skorpion, you will find its been over 50 movies including matrix and resident evil.
Where can I buy a zastava Vz 61 at ? I live in the US
sorry, i wouldnt know. i live in canada.
@@gnutzguy That's a bummer. I thought that I had missed one.
@@bretak74 preach
This is also somsthing i want. I collect yugo guns so a yugoslavian marked M84a woud be amazing to find. I found some parts kits but they all have cut up recievers and thats where the marking are so it kind of defeats the purpose of having the yugoslavian version in the first place