Czech Small Arms CSA Vz.61 Skorpion Semi .32 ACP (Plus A Cheeky HK MP5K Cameo!) KLOBB!
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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Bloke takes his 2012-production .32 ACP and, after having made it vaguely run with an awful lot of work, puts it through its paces on the 25m range. As a comparison, an HK MP5K both with and without PDW shoulder stock appears too!
Apparently these things were called the Klobb in James Bond Goldeneye on the Nintendo 64.
Many thanks to Ian of Forgotten Weapons for the use of his footage!
I liked the sounds of the empty cases ricocheting around the cabin.
At 12:23 the auto-captions say "[music]." And moments later - presumably sarcastically - "[applause]."
Awesome little thing. Well worth the 3 hectares of fine sandpaper to make it work again. Just needs a little more.
Yup. Been comparing with Henry of 9 Hole Review's one which is much newer. They changed the shape of the boltface somewhat. So I think we'll try to replicate that, polish the chamber, and maybe even lighten the bolt a bit.
It's literally just sometimes not ejecting forcefully enough and "catching" the departing empty case as the bolt comes forward. Before, it was... well, I'll explain in the next vid on the topic. There was lots going on there...
@@BlokeontheRange I have been told to avoid "PPU" ammo and they will be happy, I can only guess that is a generalization regarding any low end ammo.
@@BlokeontheRange There's always drilling a little weight out of the bolt carrier to tune a blowback too. I would not be surprised if these semi auto variants have more metal where the old rate reducer mechanism used to go.
I'm in the states and had an opportunity to fire a friends Skorpion (semi) that he purchased in 9x18 Makarov. At the time it was in pistol setup and I was quite surprised by how well it shot and was fairly accurate all things considered. He has since paid $200 for a tax stamp and added a folding stock for the cool factor as much as anything. His ran great as a pistol and I can only assume does as well in carbine form. So the company seems to have the bugs worked out based on my sample size of one. The Vz 61 is a really neat little gun and exists kind of in it's own little world.
Looked like fun boys. Both weapons are a great way to be armed pretty well with a little bit of sacrifice.
You need to ask The Chap very nicely to make you a holster with his new leather-working skills.
I have a Skorpion (no stock though unfortunately). Fun little shooter. Got to shoot a full auto one a few years ago and seeing those 32ACP cases flying out the top is so cool. 😁😁😁
Ah, yes, the Klobb. I remember dual-wielding it in Goldeneye. It was also a fun choice with the stock in Black Ops.
For accurate shooting, the stock rests on the face. This stock is not inserted into the shoulder.
Improve the chin weld by attaching beard velcro to the stock?
I bet the weird Vz-61 bolt-locking safety is a hold-over from open-bolt SMG design (even though is it a hammer-fired closed-bolt design, in both versions): intended to stop the bolt from bouncing back far enough to collect a round, but not catch on the sear if it's dropped and firing accidentally.
These are about perfectly balanced in Makarov, and I like the straight magazine better. (With the caveat that I have used a Mislpec version, in semi/full auto.) Great little guns, kinda big and clunky for a pistol, but well worth it for having a wire-stock. The wire-stock makes it surprisingly stable, and easy to cantrol (Especially with the reduced fire rate) Honestly, one of the best gun designs of the 20th century. For what it is: A PDA.
It's a short range weapon. The sight radius is too short to even attempt to hit a man sized target outside of about 150M. Zero it to 100. You are not going to get an optic on top with the stock attached. Wear a hat with the stock shouldered, unless you like hot brass on the top of your head, I recommend a beret.
It's amazing how these things evolve. I'd be interested in seeing you shoot a more modern version of the SKorpion.
I'm currently considering purchasing a parts kit for a Vz. 61 but unfortunately because I live in California, I would have to make it have a barrel length of at least 16 inches with an overall length of 26 inches.
Which would require me to pin the stock and weld a ridiculous faux suppressor (or just use a super long barrel, or both). Once I leave this state though, I could pay the $200 tax stamp and make it normal again, which is what I plan to do if I go through with this.
I have 3 of these from CSA and one as a SBR. I also had the pleasure of shooting a full auto one one time and it was amazingly controllable but wow does that mag ever go fast haha. I’ve had good luck with all of my semi autos so far but 2 of the 3 are 2015 production or newer and I have an older DTechnik one as well. I like the aesthetics of the original military produced ones better just due to the lightening cuts near the magwell are prettier as is the blue/gray paint. I was also surprised as just how well the gun suppresses for being a blowback. All around it’s a wonderful little gun but I tend to happen to like most Czech designed firearms. I totally agree with your sight picture thoughts I tend to do better with slow fire like a pistol but it’s pretty comfortable to shoot with the wire stock extended. It makes a world of difference in full auto haha. The only major drawback I’ve found with this firearm is at indoor ranges the spent brass sometimes ricochets off of the ceiling damaging foam or drywall and bouncing back at my head or down my collar haha. My solution, I only shoot it outdoors.
I would figure in a combat situation, most likely at short distance. You would just look through the sights and focus on the target like any other handgun. Even with that method I've seen some people shoot pretty accurate at a distance. So I would think it would be with that cz also with out trying to draw a bead down like a rifle. I've never had an opportunity to drive one so I could not say for sure. Even though it's a 9.3 on the scale of badass in FA it's still a hand gun and I would stick to the fundamentals you have practiced to develop as you would on any handgun and not freek out because it looks a little different.
G.W. Buffalo yeah I mean it’s definitely a cool gun for sure. I just mean that it is kind of like when you aim a pistol, the sights were designed to be perfect at arms length, now imagine putting your eye like just a few centimeters behind the rear sight. You can still kind of see the rear sight and you should be focusing on the front post and your target should be slightly blurry. However, the rear sight gets blurrier than on most guns to the point where it can effect accuracy a little bit. But yes in a combat situation it would likely be at a very close range and most likely in full auto since it is only 7,65 Browning so you’d likely have your front sight on the target and as long as it was pretty close within the rear sight it would work just fine. Plus you’d see your impacts and adjust kind of like machine gunners do. I don’t really have any other complaints. The Czechs always have excellent designs in my opinion and this thing also makes a great suppressor host.
They also made them in 8mm Knall (blank) in select fire but interestingly WITHOUT the rate reducer!
suppose controllabilty doesn't matter so much when you're not actually shooting at things
... and when the only recoil is from the breech block schlapping back and forth too.
Strange when they had to produce a lower receiver specifically for the blank firing gun... the bolt is identical to the 32 ACP semiauto pistol!
Legal reasons. They want to make it as hard as possible to convert to a real gun. Or to convert a semiauto real gun to full auto.
The name's Lobb. Ken Lobb.
That gun in 22 would be so much fun
I used to run the Skorpion in Rainbow Six (1998). For some reason you could run it unsilenced and not trigger the tango's in adjacent rooms with noise.
(oh god...where did the last 20 years go?)
Oh, I remember those days! Being shot through the head at 100+ yds by a T with a pistol while waiting for your rifle crosshairs to settle was always super annoying...
It's not BotR without at least one hiccup :)
The reloads on the MP5K might've been faster if it had a paddle mag release.
I believe it's intended to retain your magazine, so that's probably why the position
Sounds like you need more back pressure. Time to thread it for a whisper tube.
I bet the stock compromise could be lessened by making the stock extend with buttons (imagine the bits the extend the length crutches) without creating new problems.
I should clarify, this is regarding the Skorpion
Or, more easily for an individual to accomplish is to see about getting a sling similar to that MP5k sling to mount to it somehow
The way your stock attaches to the receiver looks different to the CSA semi skorpions that are available today. Did you do something different? Is that a full auto lower receiver because you're not bound by US laws?
No, that's a CSA semiauto lower from 2012 if I'm remembering the proof mark date correctly.
Semi auto on a skorpion? That's an insult!
Have you tried the Brugger & Thomet TP9 semiauto? I had one, it was an excellent compromise between pistol and carbine.
Played goldeneye on the N64?
Back in the day, yeah :)
Or, for the younger generations, Vietcong (2003).
Yaaaass
Does the semi-auto Vz. 61 have the rate reducer?
Nope. But all will become clear in the next vid when I show the insides :)
(that's the next vid on this topic, not next week's vid - it's not been filmed yet.....)
Dang, I wouldn't have thought of asking that
Yes full auto has a rate reducer in the grip. They removed it for the semi version
@@BlokeontheRange soooo when will it?
This is considered stock or pistol brace?
I've got a 61 in semi-auto a decade ago. Cute little .32 pistol. We can't have full autos in my state in the US.
WA?
Nice swiss army cap!
Hello. I can’t find the follow up video where you describe the process of rectifying the failure to eject issues! Can someone post a link please?
cant find it either.
Truth be told the MP5 and the Vz61 aren't that different in length when extended
Hey Bloke, where'd you get that alpenflage cap? Is it milsurp or a civvie piece?
I got it in an army surplus store in Switzerland years ago. It's milsurp.
@@BlokeontheRange Interesting to know, thanks. To my untrained eye it just didn't really look like a Swiss army type of cap. I'd more expect an alpenflage fieldcap or boonie ha ha!
I wear that one quite a lot - it's convenient cos you can just roll it up and put it in a pocket.
Hell yeah an El Prez
Not exactly on topic but does anyone know how the backstop works on this range? It just looks like a concrete wall which doesn’t really make sense for capturing projectiles.
There's metal bullet catchers behind rubber
Rounds on target beats stopping power, sure it's great to have one shot knock down power, but if subsequent rounds are in the sky, it is not very suppressive in nature.
split the difference with a B&T MP9!
Was there ever a follow up video to this? Not finding it in the uploads, thanks.
I've heard the opinion that vz61 stock could be used by pressing not on the shoulder but resting on the cheek,
considering the cartridge used in the weapon, it seems quite safe. P
erhaps it is more convenient to use the sights with this method.
Take a look at this video , at 0:15 and 9:02 :
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I'm not sure, but it seems that those
Czechoslovak soldiers in this picture, who are armed with vz61 ,use exactly this method:
www.armyweb.cz/images/VYZBROJ/SCORPION/scor_01.jpg
Any idea what the causes of the malfunctions are? Is the ammo weak?
You'll have to wait for the next video on the topic. But too much friction, not quite enough bolt velocity - you can see variation in how high the cases eject.
Mine did it too. I sent it back. They said the bolt was a bit rough and replaced it. It works 80% of the time now lol
So the scorpion is very light and blowback and the HK is heavier with delayed roll system.
Is the scorpion snappy at all, because of the blowback, or still much milder than the HK?
The skorpion is really mild, it's a lot of weight for .32 ACP, and is indeed snappy with it.
@@BlokeontheRange Snappier than the HK?
Is the safety function a hold-over from an open bolt version of this gun? Locking the bolt shut would be prevent slam fires from a dropped gun or bolt handle snagging on tank interior bits when exiting in a hurry.
Probably a holdover from open bolt fixed firing pin thinking, indeed.
I'd love to see some collaboration with Gun Jesus in the future
They already made a video together, 1.5 hours of them talking gun myths.
some MORE collabs then lol
@@slaughterround643 Our collaboration with BOTR/ Polenar/ footage submission from Gun Jesus comes tomorrow.
¿So you're back? 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Is that the trigger reset I hear?
Is the trigger reset really that loud of a click, or is that an audio artifact?
It's loud
Did the first shot bounce back on the right of screen...?
No. That's a fly :D
What parts needed sanding? I’m building one now so just in case!
Practically all the bearing surfaces on the bolt, and the feed ramp. But apparently newer production is better
Wonderful! I’m one of these dummies that ordered a kit and then had to buy a barrel ended up paying more for everything than buying one already together lol but I’m determined to do it
Wow your first group shot as a pistol was tighter than as a carbine. Interesting.
Sorta. They're about the same. You get a much better sight picture as a pistol, although the notch is a bit tight for it (it's clearly meant to be predominantly used from the shoulder - it's a point I forgot to make).
Have you tryd shooting it like you would any handgun by looking through the sights so they are blurred and focus on the target instead of trying to bead down like a rifle and use the stock more as an index point for positioning your stance and to steady your self some but not choke down like a rifle and try to develop a proper sight picture.
@@BlokeontheRange ☝
So, do you use a magazIne in that carbIne, or a magazeen in that carbeen? Haha! :)
I don't know. Let's ask the US Army:
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(stick &t=35s at the end of the first link and &t=19s at the end of the second)
Done :) And an obligatory link to The Chaos by Gerard Nolst Trenité here: ncf.idallen.com/english.html
With all do respect, BotR, Let's see what Gun Jesus has to say on the matter; the US Military training doctrine has never included errors, right? (Love your channel!)
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I think this US "carbeen" thing being mainstream and not some Southern dialect is an entirely modern phenomenon (doo doo bi doo do) and in any cases is not used in British English :)
Nice gun range. Cool they let you shoot non-swiss guns there. Where is that?
Typical Cheeky MP5!
@Bloke on the Range @ 15:27 that language is not apropriate mister no cursing even in dutch
It's Swiss German and not swearing, just means "really long". But come to think of it, you're right - it is swearing in Dutch :p
Lmao its the Klobb, holy shit... I wonder if its as shit as it was in Goldeneye 64
how long are you. It allmost looks like you would be able to conceal carry the MP5k with a winter jacket.
Yeah, probably could. I'm 180cm tall.
The american secret service conceal carry their pdw's in their buisness jackets :/.
@@Dja05 and it's so freaking cool. Secret service are definitely the classiest and most baller operators with their suits and P90s.
Something something 9 Hole Reviews something something.
Most importantly it's hella cute!
Looks awesome like a tiny ak you'd buy for your newborn son to carry in his carry seat. But I bought my dog a gun of her own.
No kids yet but maybe one day.
Seems like this whole micro smg class of gun is a bit pointless as I think an actual smg or pistol can do their jobs better. I suppose it would be different if either of the weapons had their full auto function that way you could test out how effective they can be when utilizing one of their main functions and appeals.
So else had N64 007 GoldenEye flash backs?
1:24 2nd Amendment activists be like "nO SucH tHInG aS An 'AsSAULt rIFle'" ;)
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