Cursed Child has terrible plot, but if you ignore the story and focus on Scorpius' cringy jokes and the the cool effects they used to imitate magic, it's pretty cool. Like. Seriously. The ENTIRE STAGE that was made from METAL OR SOMETHING warped before my eyes. It was all wavy and WEIRD. But now I'm broke from buying tickets....
I actually like this one because McGonagal is the one who gave Hermione her time turner and explained the rules and laws and all that and I always thought that was kinda odd. Like I accept that Minerva is very talented and all and maybe because she was head of Gryffindor house it fell to her but I always thought it would have more naturally fallen to a witch or wizard who specialized in that sort of item, like the dept of mysteries. If Minerva had successfully used it and lived that life for that long and made it back in one piece sane and whole to tell the tale then she would be the best person to brief Hermione.
the rules Hermione was given were very simple, McGonagall could simply be repeating them, or time turners might be something more or less known in the wizarding world
That's why they don't teach mathematics at Hogwarts. They teach something related to it which is actually making future predictions based on some numbers. SCB have made a video about that. So perhaps you are right. McGonagall should have said 69 years instead of 39 years :D
I think I figured it out though. She just said she taught 39 years. No dates. No mention of 39 *contiguous* years. Maybe she taught 10 years, left for a couple of decades to join the aurors during the Grindenwald debacle, then rejoined Hogwarts. Or left to get married and rejoined when he died. Or whatever.
I just thought that she only counted the years in which she was an actual teacher, not working under someone else at Hogwarts. Or as you say, she might have had a break at some point. Was she there when Riddle opened the chamber of secret?
@@hannamouse1 You seriously didn't figure out Dumbledore was gay before JK announced it??? I figured that from the books and the half blood prince just confirmed it
Wizards and witches are all time-lords, wands are sonic screwdrivers, tents bigger on the inside, a group of people intent on hiding their existence from humanity...... I can see it. :)
I can think of one alternate possibility, you're assuming her career is 39 consecutive years working at Hogwarts, if however she had a gap in teaching she could be far older than previously thought. Not saying that's how it is, just an alternate idea that works that you didn't cover, to dismiss or support. It's also a simpler answer than time turners.
One thing makes this and every other theory wrong though and that is about her mother. Her mother was supposedly born in 1917 which means that if Minerva did time travel or if she was working in Hogwarts in general, then she would be teaching he mother Isobel who would go to Hogwarts in 1928.
I just hate that this situation happened period. My gosh someone get JK an assistant to keep track of timelines -_- But I did get the picture in my head of Dumbledore just waiting for McGonagall tapping his fingers together like Oaken in Frozen lol.
Reason they don't have assistants anymore: class sizes are much smaller now. For someone who hated muggles and loved magic, Tom sure stopped the magical world from thriving.
That’s true, it’s sad really, but it makes sense. If you start two wars to wipe out majority of the magical community then there will obviously be smaller than when you started. Even looking at when Harry starts Hogwarts it doesn’t actually look like enough people to make up a whole year of magical population in a country.
@@miramiraonthewall133 There is also a theory that only the powerful get into Hogwarts, and you know that there HAD to be kids living in Knockturn Alley but none of them went to the "best" school. I think they probably had financial supports (Weasleys) but not enough for everyone.
@@BliffleSplick that’s true, the Weasleys were struggling to keep up with the financial side of hogwarts and they weren’t even that poor. And I’m going to assume if there are wizards and squibs then why not people with very little magic? (Honestly when you think about how hogwarts isn’t absolutely gigantic when it’s the only wizarding school in Britain it makes no sense, It almost looks like there are only 1000 students there.) also how Hufflepuff said “I will teach all students no matter what” or something while all the other houses were selective sort of makes it seem only one of the founders wanted to teach all magical students and this concept was later turned into “I will teach the good at heart”. I think hogwarts was the first school and possibly the biggest though.
@@miramiraonthewall133 the magical population of the UK just isn’t all that large so u might be overestimating the amount of witches and wizards there are. Also, Hogwarts tuition is free. But yeah the student body was usually larger pre-Voldemort times
I sorta like the time turner theory, but there’s a much simpler explanation. We can say from the fact that her birth year was never established, and from the fact that she never said she worked 39 years in a row in OotP, that her birth year definitely wasn’t what everyone thinks it is, because she didn’t work 39 years in a row. She could have taken one or more breaks from teaching. Either this, or a theory I like even more. You said yourself that she went to teach transfiguration under the head of transfiguration, dumbledore. However, we know that, by the time Harry is at hogwarts, McGonagall is the sole transfiguration teacher. So, 39 years before OotP, she must have gotten some sort of promotion to be the only transfiguration teacher, and that is when she started counting her years of teaching (since she was now an official teacher). McGonagall is in CoG, so she is likely not counting her years of teaching yet, and is teaching under Dumbledore, who is teaching DADA and is the head of transfiguration, being the talented wizard he is. This is much simpler than time travel, which I’m sure Dumbledore would never allow McGonagall to do, because of the ginormous risks.
I like and had heard of the "break" theory. It's far more simple and makes too much sense. I've also heard that Rowling has stated she grew up in the early 1900's, which 1938+ would be more mid 1900's so the calculations of the birth year from fans appears to be wrong regardless. I also do like that theory of counting the years in which she became a full time teacher for the department instead of an assistant of sorts. I just find it annoying that people are making a riot over this minor detail and saying it's breaking canon when it's not even canon. Fans creating birth dates based off assumptions isn't canon, no matter where it is or how long it's been there and assumed.
of course he would. just look at what he let harry and his friends do, from dealing with fluffy right up to seeking for the horcruxes. he always leads people into risky situations if he thinks it is important. also, he would have known that menerva would travel back in time because he already met her, so what choice would he have had?
What if her 39 years at Hogwarts weren't consecutive years? So she worked there for 10 years, took a 20 year hiatus, then returned and has been there for 29 consecutive years?
@Anne Day Going by the first book, it does stop aging in some way. It was explained that Flamel died on his own terms with his wife by choosing to NOT take the elixir. I dont know his age...it was well past 100 at the very least. 300-400 i think?
@Anne Day Page 322 and 323, at least for the dying part. Page 240 describes it at "Something that makes you immortal." Flamel is 665 years old, so i dont see it "slowly aging" and more akin to "stop aging" in some way to live THAT long.
You can't believe J.K. messed up even though Newt clearly casts Accio on his Niffler despite J.K. explicitly stating (on her own site) that Accio can only ever be used on inanimate objects? As much as we might not like to admit it, J.K. messes up all the time - she isn't a god. C'mon man. It'd be cool if it somehow wasn't a mistake but it clearly was :/
I may be wrong but I don't think he ever says accio niffler. If the niffler's puch is sufficiently full you could just summon the stolen loot and the niffler would come along with it.
Maybe she’s only answering with the time that she had that position that Umbridge asks about.. Maybe, she doesn’t count the time when she was “the under study” of Dumbledore 🤔
Yes, or she took a break teaching at Hogwarts for a while. I don't think Tom Riddle had her as a teacher, during that 30-40 year gap she could have been doing anything. It could be how long she was teaching consecutively in that position.
Yes, I think her birth date was a mistake, a made a video where I explain that the movie corrected JKR's mistake. She previously said something in an ebook, that explains her presence in the film and that confirms that she was born way before 1935 !
@@Anon_a True. (I like your name by the way.) I think that she would have left Hogwarts a few times before coming back, but it never needed mentioning. Also, why would McGonagall choose to use her real name? So, I think when it was said she worked at M.O.M. and then worked at Hogwarts, she could have left Hogwarts again (went on hiatus or leave because of disagreements with fellow teachers or not satisfied with pay/management?), and then came back once Hogwarts made her a better offer (or Dumbledoor reinstated as Headmaster?). Another thing is, if you really think about it, why would Hogwarts hire a new and inexperienced teacher in December? If she was a new teacher, wouldn't she have been accepted at the start of the school year where she can learn best how to be an assistant professor? I'm thinking, maybe, when she mentioned "December" to Umbridge, that was counting from the time she was re-hired at Hogwarts. It's much more quite plausible.
I just realized: There's an inconsistency in Minerva McGonnagalls Birthdate, bc JKR once said that she was in her 70s when Harry comes to school. This would be so perfect if she really went back in time, because that would make her 20 years older at the time Harry is at school, so she isn't in her 50s but in her 70s. It all fits together!
Dear youtube, Here you have the longest post so far on this towel section. Enjoy. TL, DR; McGonagall could have easily took a break from teaching, a fact which is the basis for my timeline. It's about Mcgonagall's timeline, as Crimes of Grindelwald seems to go against canon in a number of ways. This is my attempt to justify McGonagall being in CoG, let me know what you think! A lot of people have commented on the fact that McGonagall was both a teacher in 1927 (when Dumbledore got questioned by the ministry) as well as around the time Newt attended Hogwarts (1908-1914). As she was said to only have worked at Hogwarts for 39 years, this would break canon as fans have concluded she should have been born in the 1930's. I tried to reconstruct a timeline which is consistent with all facts presented to us by the Harry Potter books, Pottermore and the Fantastic Beasts films, without creating plotholes or breaking canon. It should also explain why Dumbledore was teaching DADA, when it is stated in the books that Merrythought had been working at Hogwarts as a teacher for 50 years. My theory is based on the fact that McGonagall states to Umbridge that she has been working at Hogwarts for 39 years, but it is not stated she worked there for 39 years consecutively. This might all be far-fetched and a lot of effort to ensure putting McGonagall in Crimes of Grindelwald (CoG) isn't just a fanservice by Rowling, but if I'm correct the combination HP, Pottermore and Fantastic Beasts all add to a consistent timeline without breaking canon. If I'm missing facts, please comment and I'll try to fit them in the timeline. First off, we know Dumbledore became Headmaster at Hogwarts after teaching Transfiguration (TF) for decades. I think we can safely say that McGonagall wasn't teaching Transfiguration at the time, since we have never seen multiple teachers at the same post in the HP world. If she would have started teaching TF the moment Dumbledore became headmaster (which was between 1966 and 1971, getting to that), she would have only worked at Hogwarts for 23-28 years in 1995. However, she says to Umbridge that she's been working at Hogwarts for 39 years. This would imply she worked for 11-16 years at Hogwarts before this period in time. My theory is that this period was in the Newt-era, as will become clear. Secondly, Professor Merrythought is stated to have been teaching at Hogwarts for 50 years in 1945, but not necessarily only DADA (just as Minerva didn't have to have been teaching TF for 39 years consecutively). My theory relies on the fact that Merrythought was teaching another course in the time that Dumbledore took up the DADA-job. Let's say charms. We know some teachers are able to teach multiple courses as Snape teaches both Potions and DADA in the time Harry goes to school. The following facts are supporting the timeline: Professor Merrythought is stated to have been teaching at Hogwarts for 50 years in 1945 (but not only DADA!) Albus was Transfiguration teacher when Mcgonagall went to school (Pottermore) Minerva worked at the Ministry between the age of 18 and 20 (Pottermore) Minerva started working at Hogwarts around the age of 20 (Pottermore) Albus was Transfiguration teacher when, or until, Mcgonagall started working at hogwarts (Pottermore) Minerva worked as a professor at Hogwarts between 1908-1914, Newts years (CoG) Minerva worked as a professor at Hogwarts in 1927 (CoG) Albus taught DADA in 1927 (CoG) Albus was Transfiguration teacher in 1943, when Tom Riddle attended school (HP) Albus has been teaching TF for decades before becoming headmaster (HP) Lupin can attend hogwarts because Dumbledore becomes headmaster after he's been bitten by Fenrir. As he's born in 1960 and bitten shortly before turning 5, this puts the timeline between 1965 and 1971 (HP) Dumbledore becomes headmaster between 1965 and 1971 (HP, Lupin) Minerva worked at Hogwarts for 39 years in 1995 (HP) Here it goes: 1881: Albus is born 1891: Minerva is born 1892: Albus starts at Hogwarts 1899: Albus sits his NEWTs 1902: Minerva starts at Hogwarts 1904: Albus starts teaching Transfiguration (give or take a few years) 1908: Newt starts at Hogwarts 1909: Minerva finishes hogwarts. By this time Albus was her TF teacher and has helped her with becoming an Animagus. 1910: After the summer, Minerva works at the ministry for 2 years 1912: Minerva sends an owl to Hogwarts, asking for a job. Dumbledore, the current TF professor replies that she can come teach. Here is where it get's shady and my theory begins: By offering McGonagall a job, Dumbledore stops teaching TF, knowing she is very gifted in transfiguration and being a good friend of Minerva. He starts teaching DADA instead. This is either because there was a job opening in the DADA department or Dumbledore created one by saying Professor Merrythought should teach another course (Charms, for example). It would require a job opening for Charms, but let's say Mcgonagall's letter came at the right time and Dumbledore acted adequately on it. Merrythought (DADA-> Charms) Dumbledore (Transfiguration -> DADA) McGonagall (Starts at transfiguration) Why didn't Dumbledore just start teaching charms? Could also be the case, but we know he's teaching DADA. Maybe because this was one of his dreams, maybe because there actually was an opening in DADA: Dumbledore(Transfiguration-> DADA) McGonagall (starts Transfiguration) Either way: 1927: Albus is fired by the ministry as a DADA professor for not cooperating in the fight against Grindelwald. Mcgonagall recognizes her superior in Dumbledore, and feels she's in his debt since he helped her getting a job at Hogwarts. She offers him his old TF-job again, and quits in the proces. Merrythought starts teaching DADA (again, and the Charms position is filled either by Flitwick or another teacher). At this time, the war is starting against Grindelwald and Minerva might have a role to play here. Anyway, from here till the late 1960's McGonagall goes off the radar. Dumbledore (DADA-> Transfiguration) Merrythought (Charms -> DADA) McGonagall (quits) 1945: Merrythought quits. Riddle asks Dippet to become DADA teacher, Dippet refuses. 1960: Lupin is born 1965: Lupin is bitten by Fenrir. He thinks he cannot go to Hogwarts because of this. Between 1965 and 1971: Dumbledore is appointed headmaster and Lupin is able to attend Hogwarts. This means Dumbledore became headmaster after Lupin is bitten, but before Lupin starts attending school (which is 1971). Let's say Dumbledore is appointed headmaster in 1971. The only other thing we know is that Riddle comes to Hogwarts a decade after he kills Hepzibah Smith, to ask for a DADA teaching job, which means he killed Hepzibah in 1961. As far as I know, there is nothing that disproves this. 1971: Dumbledore is appointed headmaster, just in time for Lupin to attend Hogwarts. By accepting, the Transfiguration post becomes vacant again. He asks his old friend Minerva to fill it, and she happily consents. 1995: McGonagall has been working again at Hogwarts for 23-24 years. Adding the time between 1912-1927 (which is 15-16 years), she could very well be working for 39 years at Hogwarts when she says at much to Umbridge. This way, all facts I deemed relevant are woven together in a consistent (albeit far-fetched) timeline. If I missed additional facts which completely destruct this theory, please say so. For now, the remaining question is: What was McGonagall doing in the period 1928-1971? I'd love to hear your theories!
Yes nice theory. Many people are getting confused with 1 simple statement in the books and conflating it to mean something else. They are saying that Jk said Merrythought had been teaching DADA for 50 years. But This is how JK writes it. She establishes that Merrythought Tom Riddle's old DADA teacher is retiring after 50 years of teaching. She doesn't say that Merrythought has been teaching DADA for 50 years merely that he has been teaching for 50 years. The 50 years is modifying teaching forb50 years not teaching DADA. People just don't seem to get that and they get all upset and accuse JK of "breaking canon" simply because they didn't read it correctly.
1 love any theory that doesn't involve time turners for this and 2 yes the most logical theory is that McGonagall had taken time out from teaching for one or both wars given her history and training.
@@SabbyCat52 maybe that's then that law started... They found out about McGonagall time traveling and locked it up in the ministry... To them be used in only extreme cases. Or for homework. Coz you know, a 14 year old girl being given the ability to time travel seems like an appropriate thing to do. Lol
Why did they decide to name-drop McGonagall anyway? If they wanted to put fan service, Slughorn would have been fine, and worked better if the students were reporting Leta to him rather than McGonagall.
McGonagall was actually born in 1935. You miscalculated just a bit. First of all, Order of the Phoenix takes place in 1995 and 1996, and Umbridge interviews her sometime during the first half of the school year (since the chapter where it occurs, ch. 15, is before the Christmas chapter, ch. 23) So, you need to start counting back from December of 1995. 39 years before that would be December of 1956. If she was working at the ministry of magic for 2 years, then she would have graduated from Hogwarts in June of 1954. At this point, she would have actually been almost 19 because having an October birthday means that she started at Hogwarts when she was almost 12 (as all students have ALREADY turned 11 when they start their first year at Hogwarts). So she would have turned 19 in October of 1954, which places her birthdate as 4 October 1935. ALSO, her birth year was on Pottermore before Crimes of Grindelwald came out.
Spencer Pinkston Yes, I completely agree with the fact that the timeline doesn’t add up. I just wanted to correct their simple mistake. Also, the movie takes place in 1927, but the fact that McGonagall is in Leta’s flashback makes it so the timeline is even worse!
Her birth year was NOT on Pottermore. You can use the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to view past versions of the McGonagall page. Neither her "fact file" page (that has her birthday, but not year) nor her biography story page, have had a birth year listed back to at least 2015 (the latest that WayBack goes for those pages).
I’m curious about why everyone immediately jumps from her graduating to the end of her time at the Ministry. She fell in love with a guy... she was engaged to him... do we really think McGonagall is the type of person to say yes to marriage after a few weeks or months? While I don’t think it changes the issue - unless they were together for over ten years when she finally broke it off - I think it’s very likely that there’s at least a year gap between her finishing school and starting her job at the Ministry.
Sometimes I think that, when writer/producer/whoever messes up something in movie/book series, they look for fan theories online to make up the mistake 😂😂 It's a win-win situation, fans get what they wanted (also, they're super proud for discovering it) and producer/writer/whoever is happy because they saved the movie/book We'll see if this is another situation like that 😉
Him knowing she was coming to Hogwarts would also explain the speedy response to her application owl. I know she was talented and they would be excited to have her but even then you'd expect a day or two gap. Dumbledore probably had his response already written and waiting.
No, too much out of character, it doesn't add-up; I made a video on my channel (with English subtitles) where I explain with proofs why she is in that movie and why it's perfectly logical !
Favorite professor would definitely be McGonagall! But I was so confused when she showed up. At first I thought it was fine, but then realized that she should not have been born! I think someone just wanted the cameo in there. Also, did anyone else think that the lack of wizarding robes for the teachers was a bit odd? McGonagall was wearing a brightly colored dress and Dumbledore was wearing a suit. And everyone in the ministry was wearing suits not robes.
It bothered since the first trailer dropped . Apparently noone else is bothered coz u know, "hot Dumbledore" and all that.ppl evensaid a wizarding robe would look ridiculous on Jude Law. in my opinion,Jude Law didnt play Dumbledore, Dumbledore played Jude Law. Cringed when i saw the ministry wizards looking like a board of CEOs.
Yes! Thank god I'm not the only one that was bothered by this. It is established that wizards hate tidy muggle clothes and here we have an entire world of wizards wearing them 😑
Well, to be fair, both films are supposedly set in an age where wizards and witches had to go to great lengths in order to hide or disguise themselves from Muggles. Perhaps Muggle clothing was simply obligatory or at least strongly encouraged in most Wizard societies.
@@nettle8605 even within Hogwarts? N inside the ministry? N from 10 years from this movie, Dumbledore goes to meet Tom Riddle, in a flamboyantly cut suit. At leadt Dumbledore is supposed to dress eccentric. And Harry even lost points for not being in robes
I think that at that time that current Headmaster must have been approached by several professors or in a staff meeting to be more modern civil in their attire but to keep it business appropriate
"whenever someone travels back in time the new corrective actions they take have already happened" "What is more, her five days in the distant past caused great disturbance to the life paths of all those she met, changing the courses of their lives so dramatically that no fewer than twenty-five of their descendants vanished in the present, having been 'un-born'" Hmmm, I'm sensing some inconsistencies here.
Now explain why was Dumbledore was teaching D.A.D.A when an old woman it's supposed to be teaching it for 50 years straight when Voldemort asked the first time for the position (circa 1940s)
there could have been two DADA teachers, JK said that the reason harry's school year group was so small was because people just weren't having so many kids when a big war had been going on. So maybe in the past they bigger year groups that needed more than one teacher
@@mediabusybee yeah that could be it, but why was Voldemort so interested in her retirement? if he could just teach alongside her. And I thought the holiday thing, but if it was a one off thing, why would the ministry go out of their way to prevent Dumbledore from teaching it?
@@Kevin-wx7wu I don't think they were particularly interested in stopping Dumbledore from teaching anything; it seems to me the head guy was trying to force him to co-operate with them by throwing restrictions and punishments at him (you are not allowed to teach, your spellwork is under surveilence, etc).
@@henrysawyer3051 i am trying to say that mostoy people are saying that it can other McGonagall. But yes she is the minerva that teaches harry potter. The comment is like pointing to him that it is minerva so yes this is the minerva🙄
What if McGonagall had been teaching on her own for 39 years, but had been at Hogwarts for longer? If she was originally an assistant to Dumbledore she may not have taken up the Transfiguration position until several years later (in 1957). McGonagall might have transferred to Hogwarts as his assistant, stayed as his assistant for several several years (because I could honestly see Dumbledore needing her to fill in for him if he was away or sending her on tasks for him since she did have an interest in law enforcement during this big war) and then when he eventually became headmaster she could have taken over the full position of the Transfiguration Professor, thus signifying the actual start of her teaching career on her own. It makes the weird time gaps make a lot more sense, as well as her friendship and understanding with a man she could have worked beside for so long!
i feel like for all the effort Ben and J have put into these videos over the years, they should be given a cameo in the next fantastic beasts, that would just be fantastic and a bloody great sentiment for their hard work and dedication
@@86upsmaya definitely, it would just be great to see them being invited to be involved because i have seen no other channel more dedicated to delving into the mysteries of the Wizarding World more than them
I’m always impressed at how time turner’s don’t affect Dumbledore. He could meat himself and be wise enough, and wouldn’t become crazy like he warns the trio in POA :P
When I first saw her in the movie I just figured it was one of her lives or something, because, you know, her animagus is a cat and they have 9 (and before anyone says that's a myth- most of the Harry potter universe is, well, mythical)
But she is a human who has the ability to turn into a cat? Not a cat that turns into a human. Having said that, I actually really prefer this to time-turners, now I want it to be this!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I was thinking about Credence and the pheonix first, but then I figured if this universe establishes that magic can regenerate lives then that explains McGonagall too. Also, I'm pretty sure her patronus is 3 cats.
I know there aren't any teaching assistants in the book, but I think I can make that work. So we know the children of Hogwarts during Harry's time at school were children of war. People died/didn't have kids during the First Wizarding War. It's well known that there were less students there than there normally would be. What if there always used to be assistants, because of how many students there were, but Harry's generation didn't need so many teachers.Just a thought to make some of the finer details of this work out
That'ts what I thought as well! I think it is also mentioned somewhere on pottermore or one of the additional books about the harry potter universe that there were way more students at Hogwarts before the wars :)
It doesn't say teaching assistant. Think of it like manager roles in a business, that is how schools work at least in the UK. You have the head of the school. Then you have heads of each department, then roles below them as well. They don't literally assist teaching like teaching assistants you see in the US (at least on US tv shows that show teaching assistants), they just take some of the organisational/bureaucratic responsibility while also being a normal teacher on their own as well.
I think she was meant to be in that movie, and that the directors corrected a mistake JKR had made, because she said something in an ebook which explains her presence in the movie ! I made a video about it, with English subtitles !
I think this is a classic Book canon versus Movie canon. In the books she should be 53 years old when Harry first arrives at Hogwarts (1991-1938=53) but in the movies she is around Dame Maggie Smith's age, which in 2000 was 65 years old. I would say that this is why we see her in Crimes of Grindelwald earlier than we should due to book canonicity :)
This is a super interesting answer. Thinking about how McGonagall looked in the HPSS film....there was CLEARLY no way she was only 53 years old. The visual movie canon is kind of being retconned here. That having been said, the issue of the ages being so different is still a big one. It's hard to believe anybody could have made such a huge obvious mistake, one that was caught INSTANTLY by so many people... this wasn't about being a year or two off, there's literally at least a decade's difference between her official age and the new one. I do think there has to be more to it.
Except for the fact that the Harry Potter movies are not Canon but the Fantastic Beast movies ARE Canon, or at least that's what I read somewhere. Besides I don't think JK Rowling had McGonagall's age very well defined by the time HP and the Filosopher stone movie came out so that really wasn't intentional. Sorry for bad english.
this maybe just a case of "John's 5 years old, his sister is double his age. when John is 10 how old will his sister be?" and people answering, "well, double of 10 is 20.... so she's 20." clear sign of Hollywood logic here... nothing more.
Actually, McGonagall was born in 1935, so in Harry's first year she would be 56, not 53. Also: it still wouldn't work with the movie canon. If movie McGonagall was 65, that would place her birth year at 1926. She would still be a baby at the time of Crimes of Grindelwald.
What if the Time Turner theory is true and McGonagall helps Dumbledore destroy the blood pact that he did with Grindelwald and thus the reason why she gets a job under him later on...
I really enjoyed this theory. I was so frustrated when I saw her because I knew the timing wasn’t right. But I really like to think that she heard Albus’s heartbreaking story and decided to go back in time so at least he wouldn’t have to go through it alone. I think it also helps to explain why they had such unshakable faith in each other in the original series.
Hey, guys. If Dumbledore was the one teaching Transfiguration when McGonnigal got hired... then she wasn't teaching then. She was helping.she wouldn't have started teaching until Dumbledor became headmaster.
in crimes of griendelwald, Dumbledore was teaching defence against the dark arts. so...was he both headmaster and teaching defence against the dark arts or?
@@danielvaughan1629 okay, first, Dumbledore is canonically the transfiguration instructor, which was mentioned in the video, so he's probably just taking over DADA as a sub. Second, he doesn't become headmaster until after Tom Riddle graduated, so no, he's just a teacher, meaning McGonnigal is his assistant and not actively teaching.
Ignatius Ultimus didn’t the ministry make him stop teaching DADA? That’s when he started teaching transfigurations, I believe. But I do have to watch the movie again since I only saw it once :)
@Ignatius Ultimus maybe, but he’s doing some pretty hands-on lessons for just a substitute. and he coincidentally taught the exact same lesson to newt and leta years before... also as a sub? idk, it just seems unlikely. i think jk changed the canon. which sucks.
"Hello, professor. You do not know me yet and you may not trust me just yet but I am here to help you defeat your ex lover." "Ex lover? Why, I have no clue what you're talking about miss!" "Don't lie, I know *all* about you and Grindelwald." "Oh..."
*ANOTHER QUESTION* If Queenie is a *legilimens* why did she not figure out Grindelwald's true thoughts on muggles as expressed in the beginning of the movie when they killed the newborn? Was Grindelwald an occlumens? He was powerful, but we know he wasn't a *legiliems* as he needed Queenie to know what "Credence" thought at the end of the movie...
Coz he is an accomplished Occlumens,obviously. Legilimensy has to be developed separately. U r good at one, doesnt mean that u automatically become good in the reverse as well
He must be a skilled occlumens, and she has hard time understanding brits, let’s alone german-Swedish-Grindelwald people ...😂 also Legimencie is a natural skill one can develop ( some have a even more powerful natural ability to use it , like Queenie ) while occlumencie is taught , and can be mastered by almost anyone with enough training !
It was never the best plot point. Giving a time turner to a child so she can take more classes??????? That's crazy. Every time they get used, they get even crazier like what happened with Cursed Child and now possibly Fantastic Beasts. A lot of people are saying time turner and that is going to be insane. Part of the issue is that you can't be seen otherwise you'll create a massive issue. You can cause a massive issue anyway like in Cursed Child or in the other example they used. Herminie said, "Bad things happen to wizards who meddle with time," for a reason. You're playing with fire. A time turner explains it, but unless it's explained really well, it's going to be the most over the top time turner plot point we've had.
What if Mcgonagall’s years spent teaching at Hogwarts weren’t consecutive? When she said “39 years this December” maybe that was a cumulative total rather than a consecutive one. That could explain why JK didn’t give her birth year in any writings because she had some sort of mysterious plot twist concerning Mcgonagall planned for a while now.
No there is evidence already suggested that she graduated went to the ministery for a couple years, and then took the post at Hogwarts been there ever since.
Stevon Kline I know that she went to the ministry following Hogwarts, but what evidence are you referencing that suggest she was at Hogwarts for a continuous stretch?
There is evidently a deleted scene where Dumbledore and Minerva do something significant? Jude Law said so. I wonder if this scene would expand upon this issue?
I always figured after casting Maggie Smith they aged her up for the films to be closer to Dumbledore's age. She's around 90 - maybe 100 to his 115 instead of 60. Since Crimes of Grindlewald isn't a book I'm guessing they went with her film age and had her shown in the film for some fan service. But then JKR is known for randomly changing stuff like she originally said Dumbledore was 150 then changed it to 115.
I think that u might be onto something there. Its commonly accepted that film canon is seperate from book canon. They contradict each other and should not be mixed up. They're each equally valid within their respective mediums. In the films McGonagall is older than the books and so we can see her in the Fantastic Beasts films in that earlier time period. It doesnt matter than in the bokks McGonagall wouldnt have been born yet in that time period because there are no actual Fantastic Beasts prequel novels with book canon. (The screenplay and textbook dont count)
no it was a calculation by fans and pottermore. but not under rowling her approval. she does not controle pottermore every day. now i hope that that chances cause it brings Crimes like THIS! this might be the crime the title was talking about lol.
Not sure how reliable this site is, but according to harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Minerva_McGonagall she was born in 1935. This site did however back in 2007 list her birth year as 1925, so make what you want of it.
"2.02.12.2McGonagall's year of birth can be calculated as 1935 from her Pottermore biography and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 15 (The Hogwarts High Inquisitor), which reveals she began Hogwarts in December 1956 after working for the Ministry for two years immediately after graduation. This places her graduation in 1954, her first year in 1947, and her birth in 1935 (because of her October birthday, she was almost 12 when starting at Hogwarts)" From the Harry Potter Wiki
I thought the rules of Time Travel were to NOT interact with anyone (as we see in the Prisoner of Azkaban). Even if she was there to help defeat Grindelwald, WHY WAS SHE TEACHING? A generation of students would have known a "Professor McGonagall" who would suddenly disappear. Years later, their children would have been classmates with a "Minerva McGonagall"!!
The rule is that anything you do when you travel back in time already happened the first time around, so nothing you do will change the outcome of anything, regardless of who you interact with.
I think it's more a matter of don't interact with yourself. When Hermione was given the time turner to allow her to take more classes each day, it wouldn't have done her much good if she couldn't actually attend or interact with anyone in those classes.
Hogwarts is in Scotland. Nobody would question that there are two women with that last name in Scotland. Not to mention that she wasn't called McGonagall yet anyway while she was still studying in Hogwarts.
Hermione used the time turner extensively during POA to take extra classes. I find it hard to believe that she didn't interact with any of her teachers. She is, after all, an insufferable know-it-all.
I just think that it’s Entirely possible that professor McGonagle was a lot older when she excepted the position as a professor at Hogwarts. She certainly looks like she’s in her 70’s during all the movies not her 50s’s!! There was obviously was a lot a lot more time in between things that happened in her life, then before she started teaching at Hogwarts as a teacher
She's a time cop. She went back in time to prevent someone else using a time turner to help Grindewald. During her assignments at Hogwarts she realized her true passion lay with teaching future generations.
Okay, I will say it now: I don't like the Time Turner Theory. _((English is not my first language so I think that there will be mistakes in this comment, sorry))._ This is not my theory but I like it much more. *We don't know her year of birth!!* In 1995 Minerva said she was working at Hogwarts from 39 years, but we cannot know if they were consecutive. Take for granted that she worked at Hogwarts from 1910 to 1927, she had already worked for 17 years of our 39. Maybe then she took a break from her career as teacher; it can be true if we think that in 1927 Dumbledore has been forbidden to teach DADA and, in later years as canon, he taught Tom Riddle, Transfiguration. So we can deduce that the passage of Dumbledore from DADA to Transfiguration took place precisely in 1927. It's very probable that with Dumbledore as Transfiguration teacher, had left 'without work' Professor McGonagall, who was teaching that subject before. That left us with 22 years (39-17=22). 1995 (Order Of The Phoenix) - 22=1973. In 1973 we can approximate McGonagall's return as professor. From 1927 to 1973 there are 46 years during we don't know what she did. She could still helped Dumbledore with the war against Grindelwald. Why did Minerva return in 1973? Well, we know that during these years Dumbledore became Headmaster, leaving his chair as Transfiguration teacher for the role of principal, it would make sense then the return of McGonagall. Besides, Tom Riddle attended Hogwarts from 1938 to 1945 and he never mentioned a Professor McGonagall (because these were the years of her hypothetical absence), whereas they mentioned that James and Lily had her as their teacher during their school years. And she is already a Professor during the years of _Hogwarts Mistery_ . Another point: in 'Order Of The Phoenix' , Madame Pomfrey said something like: _"She was transferred to S. Mungo's this morning. Four Stupefy spells against the chest at her age? No wonder she is not dead!"_ *(I TRANSLATED THAT FROM ITALIAN TO ENGLISH SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORDS!!)* when Umbridge assaulted McGonagall. And Hermione: _"Poor Professor McGonagall, four spells at the chest, she's not that young, is she?"_ . If McGonagall had actually been born in 1935, she would have been only 60 years old on that occasion, and we know that a witch is still considered young in her 60's, but this conversation suggests the opposite. Last point: as you said, Minerva was one of the few people who knew what Dumbledore felt about Grindelwald and a was against him, if she was really born in 1935, she was only 10 years old in 1945, when Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald; its unlikely that a child knew something like that about Dumbledore. Again, sorry for my mistakes. This is the theory I will follow till they don't mess up with canon again. This is the link where I read the theory (still in Italian, Google Translate can help you) - - - > www.hogwartsite.net/blog/i-crimini-di-grindelwald-lapparizione-della-professoressa-mcgranitt-e-canonica-ecco-le-prove/
Rossella Piliero I like your theory a lot, and it’s a little more realistic than the one in this video! However, it’s not just 39 years, it’s “39 years this December”, implying an anniversary of sorts. It says on Pottermore that she wrote to the school in the middle of the school year (aka December) which is why she didn’t get a full teaching job until later. Because of this “anniversary”, it’s more likely that she started in that December and spent 39 continuous years teaching. While it’s possible that she just added up all the non consecutive months and years, the way she phrased it makes it seem more like it was consecutive and that the 39th anniversary of her beginning her teaching post was in December. Otherwise, she probably would have said something more along the lines of “39 years total”. Also, we never hear about another transfiguration teacher post-Dumbledore and pre-McGonagall.
Its a good theory but it’s been confirmed by Rowling that she was born on the 4th October, 1935. It feels more like fan service, unless of course Rowling’s going to be like “nope, she was born in 1889. don’t know where you lot got the idea she was born in 1935.”
My ideas before havin watched the video: *READ ALL OF THIS:* *So, how McConnagal could be explained:* *The first and least likely one:* That was Minerva McGonnagal's great-grandmother, whose name was also Minerva McGonnagal. Now I want to make this clear, the Minerva McGonnagal we saw in the movie was 100% intended to be the McGonnagal from the HP series, HOWEVER if it was just for dumb fanservice, the explanation that it was her great-grandmother is valid. *Second:* McGonnagal's birth date was retconned, which is isn't a problem. Well now, how do we explain the fact that in Order of the Phoenix, she clearly states herself that she had been teaching at Hogwarts for 40 years (having started in about 1956 or so when Dumbledore got promoted from Transfiguration to Headmaster. Her birth date on Pottermore used to be 1935)? Well, her new retconned birth date would be in about 1890s. Now she started teaching at Hogwarts in 1910s. She could've either been teaching Transfiguration or unknown, let's call it SubjectX. We know there was a teacher, can't remember her name, let's say TeacherY, that taught Defense Against the Dark Arts for 50 years at Hogwarts, Tom Marvolo Riddle ending that by cursing the Defense spot so that there would be a new teacher every year. Point is, in Crimes of Grindelwald, we see that Dumbledore taught Defense before he was demoted by the Ministry and had to teach Transfiguration. That means TeacherY had to be teaching a different subject than Defense before 1927; Transfiguration or SubjectX. So all that means is that either: Dumbledore (Defense) replaced McGonnagal (Transfiguration) who replaced TeacherY (SubjectX) who replaced Dumbledore. Or: Dumbledore (Defense) switched with TeacherY (Transfiguration). Either way, when Dumbledore got promoted from Transfiguration to Headmaster, McGonnagal got promoted from SubjectX to Transfiguration. So when she said how long she was teaching at Hogwarts, she was referring to how long she'd been teaching Transfiguration. Which leads me to my next theory. *Third:* McGonnagal taught Transfiguration but decided to stop teaching for about 30 years once Dumbledore took her spot. She might have offered it to him, wanting a break.TeacherY got promoted from SubjectX to DADA, obviously. Then maybe some new teacher took the spot of SubjectX. Now that means, when McGonnagal said how long she'd been teaching at Hogwarts, she was only referring to how long she'd been teaching without a break. *Fourth and second least likely:* McGonnagal is time traveling. NOW I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING; even though we never see it, Time Turners are never said to not be able to bring one to the future. Since they can bring one to the past, why not to the future? Second thing I would like to address; time travel works a certain way in Harry Potter, as shown in Prisoner of Azkaban. It is a closed time loop. There are 2 dimensions of time (I really only noticed that when Harry said "See, I knew I could do it because... I'd already done it!" He HAD *already* done it, HOWEVER, he had only already done it in the second dimension of time, only doing it once in each infinite timeline), with an infinite number of identical timelines parallel to each other, forming a plane (now if there were two dimensions of time in real life, there would be no timeline, it would be a timeplane. You could move freely across time in any way you would want. HOWEVER, in HP, it unrealistically contains infinite timelines. Since there is already this unrealistic element, there is no reason why the timelines shouldn't be identical or slightly shifted from each other, as they are). So to time travel in such universe, one only needs to travel up or down the second dimension of time, arriving to the moment on the same identical infinite timeline where you wish to arrive. This is what we see in Prisoner of Azkaban, when everything seems to be rewinding extremely quickly around Harry and Hermione; they are traveling along every slightly shifted timeline, to the one where they are where they were a few hours earlier. In HP, you cannot change time, that's why Harry Potter and the Cursed Child *CANNOT* be canon, whether J.K. Rowling wishes it to or not. THAT BEING EXPLAINED, BACK TO MCGONNAGAL. McGonnagal COULD have been born in 1935, but she only time traveled when she found out she was destined to (destiny is a main theme of Harry Potter, Voldemort being destined to lose. Destiny is basically this second dimension of time, since every timeline is identical). That means she probably went back in time to around 1910 in around 1955. She would've taught Transfiguration for about 25 years until Dumbledore would take her spot in 1927, and she would travel back to around 1955. She would teach Transfiguration at Hogwarts there until 1998, when she would be promoted to Headmistress. That would make her around 90 by the time of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, even though she was born in 1935 and HP1 happens in 1991-1992. *Which theory was your favorite? Mine is easily the last one. Also do you have any theories of your own? If you don't mind, it would be great for everyone to Tweet this at J.K. Rowling. Also you can copy n' paste THE WHOLE THING (I wouldn't mind credit, so here's my name: Luca-Sebastien Barret) and go like spam this everywhere! Thank you.*
@@althealligator1467 I read your reply, If everyone accepts she was not born in 1930s then the theory she stop teaching for about 30 years is plausible but unbelievable. I believe if she has as long a teaching career as Professor D, Hagrid and Tom Riddle would have remembered her. Also 30 yrs is a long time. Almost as long as her current teaching career. Where has she been during that time ? JK really need to have a very good explanation for this in the next Fantastic Beast Movie
it could be this, but i feel like it's again, adding more stuff to canon that might end up contradicting canon. like, it would be easier to just say, oops, messed up on that one, than to go this way, because messing up her birth year/years of teaching for the purposes of a fun cameo is only a small mistake, but having her go back in time about 40 years could lead to a lot of mistakes and plot holes. loved the video, but, idk. unless they actually did plan an explanation, and it's important to the plot, then i wish it'd stay as a throwaway mistake than something they try to fix and make worse.
You have to consider that McGonagall only says that she has been teaching for 39 years. These years might exclude the time she worked as an assistant, which is the position she was offered from Dumbledore. If she held that position for a while, then it is still possible that she was alive and working at Hogwarts during the plot of Crimes of Grindelwald.
A couple of seconds of pointless fan service, and, well, if you just take all of the movies as an AU fanfiction, it works better. Just imagine them as adventure movies without any continuity, and it's fine.
6:29 Excuse me, I had to straighten the truth out, Bob has known about magic since the first day he laid his eyes on the natural spendor of a simple tree. He is there with the greatest wizards of all time, transfiguring the ordinary into extasis. He has mastered the greatest magic there is. It's Love, Harry, Love.
@@matthewcahill8283 okay I like McGonagall and remember she had time Turner could it be that Dumbledore gave it to her so she can go back in the past and help him just a thought, and that could be why when she sent the owl for the job she got it so quickly they met before in the past she helped him so now he helped her. Makes perfect sense to me, just something to think about
True, Azkaban is one of my top two favorite books, but my least favorite aspect of this universe is the Time Turner. It was used well in Azkaban though, probably because it was in the possession of a very responsible character since it is a plot breaking device.
@@gatorfan556 does that mean Seamus made a mistake and deliberately implied that he knew for sure it was on Pottermore. I watched that video and I actually thought I saw the Pottermore page itself on his video.
@@doreencloutier1066 The date itself was on Pottermore. I know because I looked up her entire past on it for a fanfiction I was writing at it clearly said her year on there also, but it has been removed.
@@rousod Lying? If I am lying there are tons of others lying then. I will admit to not being completely sure because I just noticed it in passing. But again there was a whole video on it by Seamus Gormon the youtuber. You need to calm down and quit calling other people liars
That would also explain why McGonagall looks like she’s 70+ when we meet her in Philosopher‘s Stone even though she’s only supposed to be 53.... (no offense to Maggie Smith ofc, she’s the perfect Minerva and I love her) - I always thought that was kinda weird
When I see her on the movie i was really confused because I have this memory from somewhere where i kind of calculated some stuff (I forgot now srry) that her's and voldy's age are close-ish to each other.
I've always believed that she and Voldemort were close in age, but it was because I was able to calculate Voldemort's age and JK Rowling said in an interview in 2000 that Dumbledore was 150 and McGonagall was a "sprightly seventy." This would have been around 1995, Harry's time, so she would have been born in 1925. Voldemort was born in 1926, if he was 16 when he framed Hagrid. All the sources state he was born in 1926, so this is probably correct. www.hp-lexicon.org/source/interviews/sch2/
The question that brought that number to light was 'how long have you been teaching at Hogwarts?' not 'how many years have you taught at Hogwarts?' It's almost an inconsequential difference, but the first seems to imply that it was a consecutive time. Of course that COULD be wrong, but Rowling seems to pay pretty close attention to how things are phrased.
@@RandomPersonProbably Not only that, but when she comes back from vacation in France, her face is described as "very brown". WHY would Harry feel the need to make that comment if her face was ALWAYS brown? Big misstep for JKR, she could have made a huge statement about race and media. What she should have said was "Hermione is a white character, but in this adaptation will be played by the best actress for the role, who happens to be black, so shut up." This would have been helped by the fact that Noma Dumezweni is an amazing actress, and even got a Tony nomination for Cursed Child. Instead, she went on a pedantic diatribe about "never having specified Hermione's race" which is totally contradicted by the books. The way this reads to me is "It would be wrong for a black actress to play a white character, so luckily for everybody I never said Hermione was white." Tl;dr JKR tried so hard to be woke, that she ended up reinforcing the segregation of the entertainment industry.
1995-39=1956 and it was said she was literally born Oct 4 1935. I'm upset with that mistake. Its already bad enough cursed child is lazy writing. Hopefully it's time travel.
Nice theory. But in ‘Prisoner of Askaban’ Hermione explains the risks and rules of time travel: -you must not be seen by anyone -> working with the children and entering Dumbledore’s classroom in presence of Ministry officials would clearly be a violation. Besides, I’m pretty sure that Hogwarts keeps a record of all the staff that has been working there. And I am pretty sure that it has to be reported to the Ministry, who’s going to be teaching at Hogwarts. Thus... as good as a theory it could be... there’d be critical aspects. On the other hand... she gave a time turner -maybe her own- to Hermione and instructed her. So... she could have very well used it in the past herself... 🤔
ALSO, also, actually actually, the time turner being HERS, and therefore tested and proven to work reliably past 5 hours in respobsible hands (thereby making it WAY safer than all the other time turners) would explain how Hermione using a time turner for school got signed off. It DIDN'T get signed off by the Ministry, McGonagall just loaned her a time turner, explaining the rules so the Ministry wouldn't find out, or if they did, at least Hermione wouldn't get in trouble. I mean, in the movies Hermione shows Harry a book about time-turning laws, but in the books, I think she just takes McGonagall's word for it. And I mean, I wouldn't put it past McGonagall, knowing how much of a stickler for the rules Hermione is, reinforcing her secret with a slight exaggeration of the dire nature of the rules surrounding time-turning by telling her they're LAWS, and breaking them even by 30 seconds or a slight glance will result in instantaneous horrible, space-time-shredding DEATH. Just sayin'. That's what I'd do. It makes more sense than the usually pragmatic Minerva McGonagall just *trusting* a student, even one as trustworthy as Hermione, with a magical artifact with those kinds of consequences if anything goes even the slightest bit wrong.
She very clearly works that way. She has consistently worked that way. She just retcons authorial intent into everything. Yupp. Cuz I say so, I'm JK, magic woohoo. Stop being a blind fan. She isn't nearly a perfect person
Favorite mode of transportation: hippogriff! Side note, does anyone else find the lack of wizard robes weird in the Harry Potter/Fantastic Beast movies? JK Rowling brings up wizards inability to dress muggle in nearly all the books yet everyone in these past two movies are such snazzy dressers.
Megan Buhler The American wizards/witches would be more adept at hiding, since they are so strict about not getting noticed by muggles. Other then that, I don’t know.
I’m not a fan of continuity errors - with things like McGonagall I can’t take tweets from JKR about “keeping the secret of Nagini being a woman for twenty years” seriously... I love the new movies, but I feel like they aren’t that well planned out to fit with what’s already canon Also: I can’t hear the word timeturner one more time after what the Cursed Child was all about
@@johnjekyllson28 And with Rowlings explanation of Nagini's name origin, Naga, being depicted as a half snake-half human I find it totally plausible that her intent was always for Nagini to have been a maledictus. What reason would she have for lying about something like that?
Can it really be considered canon though if the only way the birthday had been from fans assuming things based off one sentence in a book talking about how many years she taught? Who's to say she taught all those years consecutively? Teachers take breaks, even in HP, look at Slughorn.
Dumbledore hired McGonagall as an assistant. She worked at the school, it wasn't said when she started teaching. She had taught for 39 years when asked by Umbridge. Also Dumbledore himself said he had wondered about Nagini and her intelligence.
I wasn’t doubting that Nagini was always supposed to be more than a normal snake and I’m well aware of the name origin, but still, just the way she wrote that one tweet irked me I stopped taking everything as canon (in my head and personal opinion) when she started to just state things for diversity points and declared the Cursed Child canon (except for the friendship between Albus and Scorpius as well as Draco’s characterisation, that I liked), but again, that’s just my opinion and take on things
I would love you guys to tackle this plot hole from the movie; in the movie, Ariana has already died meaning Albus and Grindlwald have already duelled (the duel that killed Ariana). At this point, Albus and Grindlewald could not have concocted the blood pact (because when you are in a blood pact, you cannot battle the other person). Why did Albus then share a blood pact with someone who could have killed his sister?
Or maybe they, for some reason after Ariana’s death, decided that it was a good idea to form a blood pact as to never let such things happen ever again.
i read a theory which stated that they made the blood pact before the fight and the blood pact made the spell rebounced then hit ariana.. or it is some consequences from breaking the oath they made .. my guess is albus attacked grindelwald first which mean he broke the rule and ariana bore the consequences of his act
KERRY PETERSON COULD you have got the cause and effect turned around. Maybe Arianna died because Albus broke the blood pact. Maybe her death was a consequence of breaking the blood pact. Either way its obvious that he and Grindlewald had the blood pact Before the fight. The fight broke out between Grindlewald and Aberforth. So either Albus had to sit there and just twiddle his hands and watch Grindlewald use the Cruciatis curse on his brother and sister or he had to fight him. In HBP when he drank the poison and was reliving the experience it kind of hints to the former but we dont know for sure. Either way i don't see any plot hole.
"JK Rowling wrote the screenplay herself, I don't believe she made this huge mistake" JK Rowling: "I never said Hermione was white, she could be black" Also JK: "her white face"
She said that in defense of the casting of a black woman in Cursed Child. Meaning that u can interpret the character however u want, it doesnt actually matter. That is not to be interpreted as her saying Hermione was black all along.
@@RandomPersonProbably The books never specifically say she is white though. Ofc you can deduce that she is from reading the descriptions of her (100% certainty she was meant to be white). But never once in the books does it explicitly say Hermione is a "white person". For all her faults, JKR was saying that in defense of the actress against racists who were hating on the her. I don't see why a black actress in a country like America with a lot of black people couldn't play a "white-coded" character when her race isn't even relevant to the plot. What if you wanted to play Hermione and you were asian for example? Should you be excluded because of that?
First time commenter here because I finally feel like I have something to contribute. I love the theory but I think there may be a much simpler explanation. The calculation of her year of birth is based on the 39 years which McGonagall stated she had spent teaching at Hogwarts. However, we have no way of knowing that this was 39 consecutive years. If we take away this assumption, then McGonagall could have been born much earlier than our calculations. Keep making great videos!!
Aurelius Dumbledore. Aurelius kind of like Marcus Aurelius Emporer of Rome? The same Marcus Aurelius who was adopted just like this Aurelius? The Marcus Aurelius whose death ended the pax romana? Who was also known as Marcus Catilius Severus Annius Verus? Severus kind of like Severus Snape? Who kind of looks like an older version of Aurelius? Coincidence?
Mathijs Pinxt what do we know about Snape's parents other than then his father was a muɡɡle and his mother was a pure blood? And Snape was born in 1960 makinɡ Aurilius around 60 years older then him, more then enouɡh to make him a possible ɡrandfather, uncle, or ɡranduncle.
@@casimiriii5941 Could be but I think it is unlikely that Snape makes an appearance in Fantastic Beasts. The reason I think it is unlikely Snape has anything to do with it is not because it couldnt work storywise but because Snape is currently not important to the story abou Newt.
@@thecraftybookworm1596 Use Web.archive.org and check it yourself. Pottermore never listed a birth year for Minerva. That story was made up by somebody and is currently used to make Rowling look bad.
It isnt new, like someone made it up after this movie in order to make her look mad. Its all over the place. Oct. 4,1935. But I'm sure she has a plan for it. She created a world that quite a few people, including SCB, like to theorize and analyze. We know way too many details for a series that was originally made for children. Anyone who is a true fan isnt out there writing shmere campaign articles. Also Jon just did the math.
As stated multiple times in this comment section, "the math" could very easily be wrong if McGonagall ever took a break from teaching. A specific year for her birth was not established in canon, fans just made assumptions that seemed to make sense and became well known, that is all.
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Who is your favorite Professor at Hogwarts?
SuperCarlinBrothers Professor Snape 🖤💚🖤💚
SuperCarlinBrothers professor Mcgonagall was always my favorite
SuperCarlinBrothers it was barty crouch jr.
Until...
Remus Lupin!
Myself
My favourite part of this video is when you threw the cursed child on the floor
I came down to the comments section to leave the same comment. Thank you for beating me to it.
And the other best part is when I accidentally read this comment at the exact same moment he threw the book on the floor in this video 😅😅😅
Him talking about it is funny.
Cursed Child has terrible plot, but if you ignore the story and focus on Scorpius' cringy jokes and the the cool effects they used to imitate magic, it's pretty cool. Like. Seriously. The ENTIRE STAGE that was made from METAL OR SOMETHING warped before my eyes. It was all wavy and WEIRD.
But now I'm broke from buying tickets....
Well I like the script but I can understand why most hate it
I actually like this one because McGonagal is the one who gave Hermione her time turner and explained the rules and laws and all that and I always thought that was kinda odd. Like I accept that Minerva is very talented and all and maybe because she was head of Gryffindor house it fell to her but I always thought it would have more naturally fallen to a witch or wizard who specialized in that sort of item, like the dept of mysteries. If Minerva had successfully used it and lived that life for that long and made it back in one piece sane and whole to tell the tale then she would be the best person to brief Hermione.
Yeah, i thought the exact same thing!
Twinky Ravenclaw same
I concur.
Smart!
the rules Hermione was given were very simple, McGonagall could simply be repeating them, or time turners might be something more or less known in the wizarding world
What if Bob took Isabel's last name?
BOB ROSS IS A WIZARD
I knew it. There was no other way he could paint like that. Impossible
@Jesus Christ Exactly
Wasnt bob the muggle tho....
@Jesus Christ Yes
I legit thought of this and was like I NEED TO KNOW IF ANYONES AS IDIOTIC AS ME
J: being 20 years old before you're born is pretty impressive.
Me: Not to mention teaching magic you haven't learned
Rowling is gonna watch this video and she's gonna say: "yes, that was my plan all along. For only like 50 years... Yolo"
Morpho Comics honestly if SCB started vicariously writing Harry Potter lore, I'd be cool with that.
She wrote it down on the napkin along with, Nagini, Neville, Harry Potter, and Hagrid
@@zydake8166 hergrid*
Make jk the queen and let scb run the wizarding world
Morpho Comics or “the idea that anyone believes this is strangely upsetting to me”
*McGonagall walks in*
McGonagall: DUMBLEDORE, FUTURE-YOU SENT ME INTO THE PAST TO HELP YOU FIGHT GRINDELWALD.
*trumpets blare*
Dumbledore: cool beans
👏👏👏👏👏🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@Chunhong Zhou :D
Hermione walks in: dumbledore future you sent me to the past
Dumbledore. Cool call yourself mcgonagall
@@brucemartin1420 this wins. 👏👏👏👏👏
Have a lemon drop.
Simplest explanation being, most often, the correct one I'm gonna go with "JK has admitted she's terrible at math."
That is a theory that I believe
She has it shown on several occasions...
Only mugles believed that 😂
She's lost it and become a generic hack.
That's why they don't teach mathematics at Hogwarts. They teach something related to it which is actually making future predictions based on some numbers. SCB have made a video about that. So perhaps you are right. McGonagall should have said 69 years instead of 39 years :D
Maybe she lied to umbridge - didnt want her to know how old she was and might be outdated and so to kep her job, lied
Snape: obviously...
i like this a whole lot better
Fantastic Beasts 3: The McGonagall Paradox?
Fantastic Tabbies and How to Humanize Them!
@@alicewilloughby4318 yes please
It's an animagus cat who can turn into a McGonagall
and cats are from Egypt, so she must be Nigerian. because that's as logical as South Koreans are Indonesians.
Amazing
Commant on this video!
BAHAHAHHAHA IM ACTUALLY DYING
brilliant
I think I figured it out though. She just said she taught 39 years. No dates. No mention of 39 *contiguous* years. Maybe she taught 10 years, left for a couple of decades to join the aurors during the Grindenwald debacle, then rejoined Hogwarts. Or left to get married and rejoined when he died. Or whatever.
Mind === blown
He said left the ministry of magic so ......
I just thought that she only counted the years in which she was an actual teacher, not working under someone else at Hogwarts. Or as you say, she might have had a break at some point. Was she there when Riddle opened the chamber of secret?
She worked at Hogwarts while she was married. They had a house in Hogsmede so she could still be near the school.
@@Janoha17 where's that info from? Now that you mention it, it really feels like I've read it somewhere once
J: I just don't believe Rowling accidentally made this huge mistake!
Me: Oh, you sweet, summer child
She said she's being very careful and I strongly believe she knows what she's doing. There are 3 more films after all.
Come on now we all know 75 precent of her tweets aren’t canon
This is why I only count the 7 books as canon. Because after that J.k is perfectly fine killing her own prized work for fame and fortune.
*Cough Cough* dumbledore's gay
*Cough Cough* Hermione is black
@@hannamouse1 You seriously didn't figure out Dumbledore was gay before JK announced it??? I figured that from the books and the half blood prince just confirmed it
Oh so helping to defeat Grindelwald was her McGona-goal...makes sense.
ImranoTV
Good job trying
YUS BRO. YUS
I always thought her McGongona-goal was to live up to the standards of McGonagill: The Flying Fish....?
AVPM, anyone?
Clearly Professor McGonagall is a Time Lord.
Yolonda Miller *professor who*
Why is everyone a Time Lord nowadays?
Wizards and witches are all time-lords, wands are sonic screwdrivers, tents bigger on the inside, a group of people intent on hiding their existence from humanity...... I can see it. :)
@@atlasmonkeyleon I'm not a Time Lord :(
Clara Pagett Maybe you are. Have you tried stealing a TARDIS?
I can think of one alternate possibility, you're assuming her career is 39 consecutive years working at Hogwarts, if however she had a gap in teaching she could be far older than previously thought. Not saying that's how it is, just an alternate idea that works that you didn't cover, to dismiss or support. It's also a simpler answer than time turners.
Agreed, Teacher taking a sabbatical is a much easier solution.
Might be time for a retcon then
M W G that’s what I thought too
One thing makes this and every other theory wrong though and that is about her mother. Her mother was supposedly born in 1917 which means that if Minerva did time travel or if she was working in Hogwarts in general, then she would be teaching he mother Isobel who would go to Hogwarts in 1928.
That was also my first thought, Occam's razor and all that.
I just hate that this situation happened period. My gosh someone get JK an assistant to keep track of timelines -_- But I did get the picture in my head of Dumbledore just waiting for McGonagall tapping his fingers together like Oaken in Frozen lol.
Yoo-hoo! Big Horcrux blowout!
@@khushik3899 Ahahaha! Just watched that today with the kids. Great comment. 👍😆
An assistent to given her some sense to deal with all her creation, because jesus crist, she need it badly since she learn internet.
*Plot Twist:* Professor McGonagall is actually Professor McGonagall
That's nice!
Lol
What?! Mind blown! lol
How are you everywhere?????
Yeah she lied on her identity papers to appear younger...
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Reason they don't have assistants anymore: class sizes are much smaller now. For someone who hated muggles and loved magic, Tom sure stopped the magical world from thriving.
Good point ! People always seem to forget Hogwarts was made for a much much larger student body.
That’s true, it’s sad really, but it makes sense. If you start two wars to wipe out majority of the magical community then there will obviously be smaller than when you started. Even looking at when Harry starts Hogwarts it doesn’t actually look like enough people to make up a whole year of magical population in a country.
@@miramiraonthewall133 There is also a theory that only the powerful get into Hogwarts, and you know that there HAD to be kids living in Knockturn Alley but none of them went to the "best" school. I think they probably had financial supports (Weasleys) but not enough for everyone.
@@BliffleSplick that’s true, the Weasleys were struggling to keep up with the financial side of hogwarts and they weren’t even that poor. And I’m going to assume if there are wizards and squibs then why not people with very little magic? (Honestly when you think about how hogwarts isn’t absolutely gigantic when it’s the only wizarding school in Britain it makes no sense, It almost looks like there are only 1000 students there.) also how Hufflepuff said “I will teach all students no matter what” or something while all the other houses were selective sort of makes it seem only one of the founders wanted to teach all magical students and this concept was later turned into “I will teach the good at heart”. I think hogwarts was the first school and possibly the biggest though.
@@miramiraonthewall133 the magical population of the UK just isn’t all that large so u might be overestimating the amount of witches and wizards there are. Also, Hogwarts tuition is free. But yeah the student body was usually larger pre-Voldemort times
"I've always hated time travel. The future is the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache." Cpt. Kathryn Janeway, USS Voyager
Best star trek
Ah another Star Trek and hp fan
@@chezchez3821 kathryn is a weatherwax
Yay a star trek HP fan!
Yay a trekkie!
Still think that Magic Teapot had something to do with Queenie's decision at the end of the movie.
#EvilMagicTeapot
what teapot? I don't remember that part.
@@isabelgee5062 It followed her around and tried to pour her tea before the "or if you're just French" joke.
I think it was even before that, just before they arrive to london
Knock it off"
I don’t think it did
I sorta like the time turner theory, but there’s a much simpler explanation.
We can say from the fact that her birth year was never established, and from the fact that she never said she worked 39 years in a row in OotP, that her birth year definitely wasn’t what everyone thinks it is, because she didn’t work 39 years in a row. She could have taken one or more breaks from teaching.
Either this, or a theory I like even more. You said yourself that she went to teach transfiguration under the head of transfiguration, dumbledore. However, we know that, by the time Harry is at hogwarts, McGonagall is the sole transfiguration teacher. So, 39 years before OotP, she must have gotten some sort of promotion to be the only transfiguration teacher, and that is when she started counting her years of teaching (since she was now an official teacher). McGonagall is in CoG, so she is likely not counting her years of teaching yet, and is teaching under Dumbledore, who is teaching DADA and is the head of transfiguration, being the talented wizard he is.
This is much simpler than time travel, which I’m sure Dumbledore would never allow McGonagall to do, because of the ginormous risks.
I like and had heard of the "break" theory. It's far more simple and makes too much sense. I've also heard that Rowling has stated she grew up in the early 1900's, which 1938+ would be more mid 1900's so the calculations of the birth year from fans appears to be wrong regardless. I also do like that theory of counting the years in which she became a full time teacher for the department instead of an assistant of sorts.
I just find it annoying that people are making a riot over this minor detail and saying it's breaking canon when it's not even canon. Fans creating birth dates based off assumptions isn't canon, no matter where it is or how long it's been there and assumed.
yep makes much more sense than this video
of course he would. just look at what he let harry and his friends do, from dealing with fluffy right up to seeking for the horcruxes. he always leads people into risky situations if he thinks it is important.
also, he would have known that menerva would travel back in time because he already met her, so what choice would he have had?
It was on pottermore before the movie, 1935, but was taken down after they realized the mistake
I actually believe that one of those is it
What if her 39 years at Hogwarts weren't consecutive years? So she worked there for 10 years, took a 20 year hiatus, then returned and has been there for 29 consecutive years?
You’re not wrong
are you a lawyer my good sir, you have found the perfect interpretation for the 39 years explanation !!
Nicolas Flamel: Minerva, please take this gift.
Minverva McGonagall: What is it?
NIcolas Flamel: The Elixir of Life.
Elaborate?
Nicolas flamel is a famous person. Look up his history.
@Anne Day Going by the first book, it does stop aging in some way. It was explained that Flamel died on his own terms with his wife by choosing to NOT take the elixir. I dont know his age...it was well past 100 at the very least. 300-400 i think?
@Anne Day Page 322 and 323, at least for the dying part. Page 240 describes it at "Something that makes you immortal." Flamel is 665 years old, so i dont see it "slowly aging" and more akin to "stop aging" in some way to live THAT long.
You can't believe J.K. messed up even though Newt clearly casts Accio on his Niffler despite J.K. explicitly stating (on her own site) that Accio can only ever be used on inanimate objects? As much as we might not like to admit it, J.K. messes up all the time - she isn't a god. C'mon man. It'd be cool if it somehow wasn't a mistake but it clearly was :/
I may be wrong but I don't think he ever says accio niffler. If the niffler's puch is sufficiently full you could just summon the stolen loot and the niffler would come along with it.
WillfulVisions
In Deathly Hallows, Harry uses Accio Hagrid when the death eaters are chasing them on the motorbike...sooooo. 🤷🏻♂️
You're most probably right, but since FB1 I assumed that he'd cast Accio on the objects on Niffler's belly. Which doesn't make any sense.
@@merf90 He says accio niffler specifically in Crimes of Grindlewald. It's also been used on a fly, Trevor and Hagrid in the past.
Also used in Order of the Phoenix on a frog
Maybe she’s only answering with the time that she had that position that Umbridge asks about.. Maybe, she doesn’t count the time when she was “the under study” of Dumbledore 🤔
Yes, or she took a break teaching at Hogwarts for a while. I don't think Tom Riddle had her as a teacher, during that 30-40 year gap she could have been doing anything. It could be how long she was teaching consecutively in that position.
I definitely would say this is the explaination
Yeah this theory is a big stretch even for the Carlin Bros. It's either what you said, or Rowling made an oopsie
Knowing her character, one wouldn't count apprenticeship as career.
Understudy in one word.
She was born in 1935, i think/heard it was on pottermore but was removed after the film was released and people complained.
Thats what google says
just thoght i would say that
@@helentrainer7458 Its still on the wiki
Yes, I think her birth date was a mistake, a made a video where I explain that the movie corrected JKR's mistake. She previously said something in an ebook, that explains her presence in the film and that confirms that she was born way before 1935 !
@@Anon_a True. (I like your name by the way.) I think that she would have left Hogwarts a few times before coming back, but it never needed mentioning. Also, why would McGonagall choose to use her real name? So, I think when it was said she worked at M.O.M. and then worked at Hogwarts, she could have left Hogwarts again (went on hiatus or leave because of disagreements with fellow teachers or not satisfied with pay/management?), and then came back once Hogwarts made her a better offer (or Dumbledoor reinstated as Headmaster?). Another thing is, if you really think about it, why would Hogwarts hire a new and inexperienced teacher in December? If she was a new teacher, wouldn't she have been accepted at the start of the school year where she can learn best how to be an assistant professor? I'm thinking, maybe, when she mentioned "December" to Umbridge, that was counting from the time she was re-hired at Hogwarts. It's much more quite plausible.
@@angel_cat Thanks ! It's French for "Ravenclaw's diadem", I'm a French Harry Potter youtuber 🥰🇨🇵
I just realized: There's an inconsistency in Minerva McGonnagalls Birthdate, bc JKR once said that she was in her 70s when Harry comes to school. This would be so perfect if she really went back in time, because that would make her 20 years older at the time Harry is at school, so she isn't in her 50s but in her 70s. It all fits together!
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TL, DR; McGonagall could have easily took a break from teaching, a fact which is the basis for my timeline.
It's about Mcgonagall's timeline, as Crimes of Grindelwald seems to go against canon in a number of ways. This is my attempt to justify McGonagall being in CoG, let me know what you think!
A lot of people have commented on the fact that McGonagall was both a teacher in 1927 (when Dumbledore got questioned by the ministry) as well as around the time Newt attended Hogwarts (1908-1914). As she was said to only have worked at Hogwarts for 39 years, this would break canon as fans have concluded she should have been born in the 1930's.
I tried to reconstruct a timeline which is consistent with all facts presented to us by the Harry Potter books, Pottermore and the Fantastic Beasts films, without creating plotholes or breaking canon. It should also explain why Dumbledore was teaching DADA, when it is stated in the books that Merrythought had been working at Hogwarts as a teacher for 50 years. My theory is based on the fact that McGonagall states to Umbridge that she has been working at Hogwarts for 39 years, but it is not stated she worked there for 39 years consecutively.
This might all be far-fetched and a lot of effort to ensure putting McGonagall in Crimes of Grindelwald (CoG) isn't just a fanservice by Rowling, but if I'm correct the combination HP, Pottermore and Fantastic Beasts all add to a consistent timeline without breaking canon. If I'm missing facts, please comment and I'll try to fit them in the timeline.
First off, we know Dumbledore became Headmaster at Hogwarts after teaching Transfiguration (TF) for decades. I think we can safely say that McGonagall wasn't teaching Transfiguration at the time, since we have never seen multiple teachers at the same post in the HP world. If she would have started teaching TF the moment Dumbledore became headmaster (which was between 1966 and 1971, getting to that), she would have only worked at Hogwarts for 23-28 years in 1995. However, she says to Umbridge that she's been working at Hogwarts for 39 years. This would imply she worked for 11-16 years at Hogwarts before this period in time. My theory is that this period was in the Newt-era, as will become clear.
Secondly, Professor Merrythought is stated to have been teaching at Hogwarts for 50 years in 1945, but not necessarily only DADA (just as Minerva didn't have to have been teaching TF for 39 years consecutively). My theory relies on the fact that Merrythought was teaching another course in the time that Dumbledore took up the DADA-job. Let's say charms. We know some teachers are able to teach multiple courses as Snape teaches both Potions and DADA in the time Harry goes to school.
The following facts are supporting the timeline:
Professor Merrythought is stated to have been teaching at Hogwarts for 50 years in 1945 (but not only DADA!)
Albus was Transfiguration teacher when Mcgonagall went to school (Pottermore)
Minerva worked at the Ministry between the age of 18 and 20 (Pottermore)
Minerva started working at Hogwarts around the age of 20 (Pottermore)
Albus was Transfiguration teacher when, or until, Mcgonagall started working at hogwarts (Pottermore)
Minerva worked as a professor at Hogwarts between 1908-1914, Newts years (CoG)
Minerva worked as a professor at Hogwarts in 1927 (CoG)
Albus taught DADA in 1927 (CoG)
Albus was Transfiguration teacher in 1943, when Tom Riddle attended school (HP)
Albus has been teaching TF for decades before becoming headmaster (HP)
Lupin can attend hogwarts because Dumbledore becomes headmaster after he's been bitten by Fenrir. As he's born in 1960 and bitten shortly before turning 5, this puts the timeline between 1965 and 1971 (HP)
Dumbledore becomes headmaster between 1965 and 1971 (HP, Lupin)
Minerva worked at Hogwarts for 39 years in 1995 (HP)
Here it goes:
1881: Albus is born
1891: Minerva is born
1892: Albus starts at Hogwarts
1899: Albus sits his NEWTs
1902: Minerva starts at Hogwarts
1904: Albus starts teaching Transfiguration (give or take a few years)
1908: Newt starts at Hogwarts
1909: Minerva finishes hogwarts. By this time Albus was her TF teacher and has helped her with becoming an Animagus.
1910: After the summer, Minerva works at the ministry for 2 years
1912: Minerva sends an owl to Hogwarts, asking for a job. Dumbledore, the current TF professor replies that she can come teach. Here is where it get's shady and my theory begins:
By offering McGonagall a job, Dumbledore stops teaching TF, knowing she is very gifted in transfiguration and being a good friend of Minerva. He starts teaching DADA instead. This is either because there was a job opening in the DADA department or Dumbledore created one by saying Professor Merrythought should teach another course (Charms, for example). It would require a job opening for Charms, but let's say Mcgonagall's letter came at the right time and Dumbledore acted adequately on it.
Merrythought (DADA-> Charms)
Dumbledore (Transfiguration -> DADA)
McGonagall (Starts at transfiguration)
Why didn't Dumbledore just start teaching charms? Could also be the case, but we know he's teaching DADA. Maybe because this was one of his dreams, maybe because there actually was an opening in DADA:
Dumbledore(Transfiguration-> DADA)
McGonagall (starts Transfiguration)
Either way:
1927: Albus is fired by the ministry as a DADA professor for not cooperating in the fight against Grindelwald. Mcgonagall recognizes her superior in Dumbledore, and feels she's in his debt since he helped her getting a job at Hogwarts. She offers him his old TF-job again, and quits in the proces. Merrythought starts teaching DADA (again, and the Charms position is filled either by Flitwick or another teacher).
At this time, the war is starting against Grindelwald and Minerva might have a role to play here. Anyway, from here till the late 1960's McGonagall goes off the radar.
Dumbledore (DADA-> Transfiguration)
Merrythought (Charms -> DADA)
McGonagall (quits)
1945: Merrythought quits. Riddle asks Dippet to become DADA teacher, Dippet refuses.
1960: Lupin is born
1965: Lupin is bitten by Fenrir. He thinks he cannot go to Hogwarts because of this.
Between 1965 and 1971: Dumbledore is appointed headmaster and Lupin is able to attend Hogwarts. This means Dumbledore became headmaster after Lupin is bitten, but before Lupin starts attending school (which is 1971). Let's say Dumbledore is appointed headmaster in 1971. The only other thing we know is that Riddle comes to Hogwarts a decade after he kills Hepzibah Smith, to ask for a DADA teaching job, which means he killed Hepzibah in 1961. As far as I know, there is nothing that disproves this.
1971: Dumbledore is appointed headmaster, just in time for Lupin to attend Hogwarts. By accepting, the Transfiguration post becomes vacant again. He asks his old friend Minerva to fill it, and she happily consents.
1995: McGonagall has been working again at Hogwarts for 23-24 years. Adding the time between 1912-1927 (which is 15-16 years), she could very well be working for 39 years at Hogwarts when she says at much to Umbridge.
This way, all facts I deemed relevant are woven together in a consistent (albeit far-fetched) timeline. If I missed additional facts which completely destruct this theory, please say so. For now, the remaining question is: What was McGonagall doing in the period 1928-1971? I'd love to hear your theories!
Nice theory! I like this one better than the supercarlinbrothers' one. Timeturners will never be a satisfying solution.
Yes nice theory. Many people are getting confused with 1 simple statement in the books and conflating it to mean something else. They are saying that Jk said Merrythought had been teaching DADA for 50 years. But This is how JK writes it. She establishes that Merrythought Tom Riddle's old DADA teacher is retiring after 50 years of teaching. She doesn't say that Merrythought has been teaching DADA for 50 years merely that he has been teaching for 50 years. The 50 years is modifying teaching forb50 years not teaching DADA. People just don't seem to get that and they get all upset and accuse JK of "breaking canon" simply because they didn't read it correctly.
I love your theory! It completly explains this "canon mistake", and I think is super well constructed, makes sense a lot!!
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1 love any theory that doesn't involve time turners for this and 2 yes the most logical theory is that McGonagall had taken time out from teaching for one or both wars given her history and training.
Also wasn't it Minerva who gave Hermine the time turner?
Yes, but I believe she had to write an extensive letter to the Ministry, where they're all kept, in order for her to get it.
@@SabbyCat52 maybe that's then that law started... They found out about McGonagall time traveling and locked it up in the ministry... To them be used in only extreme cases. Or for homework. Coz you know, a 14 year old girl being given the ability to time travel seems like an appropriate thing to do. Lol
@@SabbyCat52 I love how they just permited a teen to have a timeturner instead of like a personal teacher or something 😄
MrFantocan OOOH HEY
Why did they decide to name-drop McGonagall anyway? If they wanted to put fan service, Slughorn would have been fine, and worked better if the students were reporting Leta to him rather than McGonagall.
True, being head of Slytherin house back in the day and all.
I believe the students Leta was teasing were Gryffindors, which reporting her to McGonagall would also make sense then. Less sense, but some.
slughorn was old enough either, but his father could be!
Minerva walks into office explains who he she is and why she is there.
Dumbles:....cool? Cool! (Walks out of the room and just shrugs)
MAYBE THEY ACCIDENTALLY SWAPPED HER PARENTS NAMES AND HER DAD WAS BOB ROSS
XcomBeto I feel like that would explain a lot, but I don’t know why..,
YESS
then She will be Minerva Ross
@@agnest9628 It would make sense for her to take her mother's maiden name when she decided to stay in the wizzarding world.
THIS IS PERFECT
McGonagall was actually born in 1935.
You miscalculated just a bit. First of all, Order of the Phoenix takes place in 1995 and 1996, and Umbridge interviews her sometime during the first half of the school year (since the chapter where it occurs, ch. 15, is before the Christmas chapter, ch. 23) So, you need to start counting back from December of 1995. 39 years before that would be December of 1956. If she was working at the ministry of magic for 2 years, then she would have graduated from Hogwarts in June of 1954. At this point, she would have actually been almost 19 because having an October birthday means that she started at Hogwarts when she was almost 12 (as all students have ALREADY turned 11 when they start their first year at Hogwarts). So she would have turned 19 in October of 1954, which places her birthdate as 4 October 1935. ALSO, her birth year was on Pottermore before Crimes of Grindelwald came out.
CaitLumos exactly was going to mention that her birth year was on Pottermore until recently after this “controversy” came out.
That’s still close to their estimate And the movie takes place in 1927 and is the reason this video exists
Spencer Pinkston Yes, I completely agree with the fact that the timeline doesn’t add up. I just wanted to correct their simple mistake. Also, the movie takes place in 1927, but the fact that McGonagall is in Leta’s flashback makes it so the timeline is even worse!
Her birth year was NOT on Pottermore. You can use the Internet Archive (aka Wayback Machine) to view past versions of the McGonagall page. Neither her "fact file" page (that has her birthday, but not year) nor her biography story page, have had a birth year listed back to at least 2015 (the latest that WayBack goes for those pages).
I’m curious about why everyone immediately jumps from her graduating to the end of her time at the Ministry. She fell in love with a guy... she was engaged to him... do we really think McGonagall is the type of person to say yes to marriage after a few weeks or months? While I don’t think it changes the issue - unless they were together for over ten years when she finally broke it off - I think it’s very likely that there’s at least a year gap between her finishing school and starting her job at the Ministry.
Sometimes I think that, when writer/producer/whoever messes up something in movie/book series, they look for fan theories online to make up the mistake 😂😂
It's a win-win situation, fans get what they wanted (also, they're super proud for discovering it) and producer/writer/whoever is happy because they saved the movie/book
We'll see if this is another situation like that 😉
Him knowing she was coming to Hogwarts would also explain the speedy response to her application owl. I know she was talented and they would be excited to have her but even then you'd expect a day or two gap. Dumbledore probably had his response already written and waiting.
Please no time turners please please please no time turners.
Well shoot. It looks like it’s gonna be time turners
My exact thought process.
@BeckyTheEpicNerd same lol
No, too much out of character, it doesn't add-up; I made a video on my channel (with English subtitles) where I explain with proofs why she is in that movie and why it's perfectly logical !
Favorite professor would definitely be McGonagall! But I was so confused when she showed up. At first I thought it was fine, but then realized that she should not have been born! I think someone just wanted the cameo in there. Also, did anyone else think that the lack of wizarding robes for the teachers was a bit odd? McGonagall was wearing a brightly colored dress and Dumbledore was wearing a suit. And everyone in the ministry was wearing suits not robes.
It bothered since the first trailer dropped . Apparently noone else is bothered coz u know, "hot Dumbledore" and all that.ppl evensaid a wizarding robe would look ridiculous on Jude Law. in my opinion,Jude Law didnt play Dumbledore, Dumbledore played Jude Law. Cringed when i saw the ministry wizards looking like a board of CEOs.
Yes! Thank god I'm not the only one that was bothered by this. It is established that wizards hate tidy muggle clothes and here we have an entire world of wizards wearing them 😑
Well, to be fair, both films are supposedly set in an age where wizards and witches had to go to great lengths in order to hide or disguise themselves from Muggles. Perhaps Muggle clothing was simply obligatory or at least strongly encouraged in most Wizard societies.
@@nettle8605 even within Hogwarts? N inside the ministry? N from 10 years from this movie, Dumbledore goes to meet Tom Riddle, in a flamboyantly cut suit. At leadt Dumbledore is supposed to dress eccentric. And Harry even lost points for not being in robes
I think that at that time that current Headmaster must have been approached by several professors or in a staff meeting to be more modern civil in their attire but to keep it business appropriate
"whenever someone travels back in time the new corrective actions they take have already happened"
"What is more, her five days in the distant past caused great disturbance to the life paths of all those she met, changing the courses of their lives so dramatically that no fewer than twenty-five of their descendants vanished in the present, having been 'un-born'"
Hmmm, I'm sensing some inconsistencies here.
If you look in the screenplay it literally calls her YOUNG MINERVA MCGONNOGALL
Uhh
A McGonagall from the 50s who travelled back in time would still be a young McGonagall compared to her appearance in HP
@@SoupsSB yep
flappety flippers a younger relative?? Aunt??
@@legoroan9866 no the mcgonnogal we know they explain it in the video
Jk said before that she's not good with math... So I think this might be the case.
Overthinking at its finest.
Now explain why was Dumbledore was teaching D.A.D.A when an old woman it's supposed to be teaching it for 50 years straight when Voldemort asked the first time for the position (circa 1940s)
Pretty sure he is removed from that post by the ministry in the movie (cog) itself.
She was on holiday
there could have been two DADA teachers, JK said that the reason harry's school year group was so small was because people just weren't having so many kids when a big war had been going on. So maybe in the past they bigger year groups that needed more than one teacher
@@mediabusybee yeah that could be it, but why was Voldemort so interested in her retirement? if he could just teach alongside her.
And I thought the holiday thing, but if it was a one off thing, why would the ministry go out of their way to prevent Dumbledore from teaching it?
@@Kevin-wx7wu I don't think they were particularly interested in stopping Dumbledore from teaching anything; it seems to me the head guy was trying to force him to co-operate with them by throwing restrictions and punishments at him (you are not allowed to teach, your spellwork is under surveilence, etc).
Honestly: JK Rowling just did a whoopsie
Nah fam. She _never_ slips up
@@sceylo9573 *cough* cursed child *cough*
@@ulasonal Yeah, pretty sure that was sarcasm.
@@zimonzieclown1633 huh
@@ulasonal why does everyone hate cursed child so much I bought the book and I actually enjoyed the read
In the credits of the movie she’s listed as “MINERVA McGonagall”
They are saying it is 'MINERVA McGonagall'
That’s what she is called in the books. What point are you trying to make
@@henrysawyer3051 i am trying to say that mostoy people are saying that it can other McGonagall. But yes she is the minerva that teaches harry potter. The comment is like pointing to him that it is minerva so yes this is the minerva🙄
What if McGonagall had been teaching on her own for 39 years, but had been at Hogwarts for longer? If she was originally an assistant to Dumbledore she may not have taken up the Transfiguration position until several years later (in 1957). McGonagall might have transferred to Hogwarts as his assistant, stayed as his assistant for several several years (because I could honestly see Dumbledore needing her to fill in for him if he was away or sending her on tasks for him since she did have an interest in law enforcement during this big war) and then when he eventually became headmaster she could have taken over the full position of the Transfiguration Professor, thus signifying the actual start of her teaching career on her own. It makes the weird time gaps make a lot more sense, as well as her friendship and understanding with a man she could have worked beside for so long!
I'm totally fine with this idea!
That makes it nice without the plot hole time turner bull
But isn't she already a professor in Crimes of Grindlewald?
What? According to the original books she wasn't even alive?
I like this idea a lot and would make sense in the answer of how long shes been teaching!
i feel like for all the effort Ben and J have put into these videos over the years, they should be given a cameo in the next fantastic beasts, that would just be fantastic and a bloody great sentiment for their hard work and dedication
Or they should ve involved in screen writing for the next movie
@@86upsmaya definitely, it would just be great to see them being invited to be involved because i have seen no other channel more dedicated to delving into the mysteries of the Wizarding World more than them
I’m always impressed at how time turner’s don’t affect Dumbledore. He could meat himself and be wise enough, and wouldn’t become crazy like he warns the trio in POA :P
When I first saw her in the movie I just figured it was one of her lives or something, because, you know, her animagus is a cat and they have 9 (and before anyone says that's a myth- most of the Harry potter universe is, well, mythical)
But she is a human who has the ability to turn into a cat? Not a cat that turns into a human. Having said that, I actually really prefer this to time-turners, now I want it to be this!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. I was thinking about Credence and the pheonix first, but then I figured if this universe establishes that magic can regenerate lives then that explains McGonagall too. Also, I'm pretty sure her patronus is 3 cats.
This comment made me dumber
Hugh Jass how unfortunate
WOW. I LOVE THIS THEORY. HAHAHA
I know there aren't any teaching assistants in the book, but I think I can make that work. So we know the children of Hogwarts during Harry's time at school were children of war. People died/didn't have kids during the First Wizarding War. It's well known that there were less students there than there normally would be. What if there always used to be assistants, because of how many students there were, but Harry's generation didn't need so many teachers.Just a thought to make some of the finer details of this work out
I like it!
That'ts what I thought as well! I think it is also mentioned somewhere on pottermore or one of the additional books about the harry potter universe that there were way more students at Hogwarts before the wars :)
It doesn't say teaching assistant. Think of it like manager roles in a business, that is how schools work at least in the UK. You have the head of the school. Then you have heads of each department, then roles below them as well.
They don't literally assist teaching like teaching assistants you see in the US (at least on US tv shows that show teaching assistants), they just take some of the organisational/bureaucratic responsibility while also being a normal teacher on their own as well.
Doesn't vice-headmaster count as assistant? Wasn't McGonagall assistant of Dumbledore at the time of HP?
I think she was meant to be in that movie, and that the directors corrected a mistake JKR had made, because she said something in an ebook which explains her presence in the movie ! I made a video about it, with English subtitles !
I think this is a classic Book canon versus Movie canon. In the books she should be 53 years old when Harry first arrives at Hogwarts (1991-1938=53) but in the movies she is around Dame Maggie Smith's age, which in 2000 was 65 years old. I would say that this is why we see her in Crimes of Grindelwald earlier than we should due to book canonicity :)
This is a super interesting answer. Thinking about how McGonagall looked in the HPSS film....there was CLEARLY no way she was only 53 years old. The visual movie canon is kind of being retconned here. That having been said, the issue of the ages being so different is still a big one. It's hard to believe anybody could have made such a huge obvious mistake, one that was caught INSTANTLY by so many people... this wasn't about being a year or two off, there's literally at least a decade's difference between her official age and the new one. I do think there has to be more to it.
Except for the fact that the Harry Potter movies are not Canon but the Fantastic Beast movies ARE Canon, or at least that's what I read somewhere. Besides I don't think JK Rowling had McGonagall's age very well defined by the time HP and the Filosopher stone movie came out so that really wasn't intentional. Sorry for bad english.
this maybe just a case of "John's 5 years old, his sister is double his age. when John is 10 how old will his sister be?" and people answering, "well, double of 10 is 20.... so she's 20." clear sign of Hollywood logic here... nothing more.
But then movie canon says she played Quidditch with James Potter, which doesn't make sense given her appearance in the prologue to the first movie.
Actually, McGonagall was born in 1935, so in Harry's first year she would be 56, not 53. Also: it still wouldn't work with the movie canon. If movie McGonagall was 65, that would place her birth year at 1926. She would still be a baby at the time of Crimes of Grindelwald.
Any time you solve a canon issue with “time travel!” you know you are lost
What if the Time Turner theory is true and McGonagall helps Dumbledore destroy the blood pact that he did with Grindelwald and thus the reason why she gets a job under him later on...
The time tuner theory is a horrible cop out in writing.
I really enjoyed this theory. I was so frustrated when I saw her because I knew the timing wasn’t right. But I really like to think that she heard Albus’s heartbreaking story and decided to go back in time so at least he wouldn’t have to go through it alone. I think it also helps to explain why they had such unshakable faith in each other in the original series.
Do you ever think Rowling just waits for these theories and then is like “yup thanks for the cannon reason SCB”
"Being 20 years old before you're born is like, really impressive" I love that
Hey, guys. If Dumbledore was the one teaching Transfiguration when McGonnigal got hired... then she wasn't teaching then. She was helping.she wouldn't have started teaching until Dumbledor became headmaster.
in crimes of griendelwald, Dumbledore was teaching defence against the dark arts. so...was he both headmaster and teaching defence against the dark arts or?
@@danielvaughan1629 okay, first, Dumbledore is canonically the transfiguration instructor, which was mentioned in the video, so he's probably just taking over DADA as a sub. Second, he doesn't become headmaster until after Tom Riddle graduated, so no, he's just a teacher, meaning McGonnigal is his assistant and not actively teaching.
Ignatius Ultimus didn’t the ministry make him stop teaching DADA? That’s when he started teaching transfigurations, I believe. But I do have to watch the movie again since I only saw it once :)
He was teaching DADA at that time and the Ministry did say he couldn't teach DADA anymore so that could be why then changed to Transfiguration.
@Ignatius Ultimus maybe, but he’s doing some pretty hands-on lessons for just a substitute. and he coincidentally taught the exact same lesson to newt and leta years before... also as a sub? idk, it just seems unlikely. i think jk changed the canon. which sucks.
"Hello, professor. You do not know me yet and you may not trust me just yet but I am here to help you defeat your ex lover."
"Ex lover? Why, I have no clue what you're talking about miss!"
"Don't lie, I know *all* about you and Grindelwald."
"Oh..."
That was entirely shoehorned in to placate the LGBTQABCD crowd. Not at all legit
@@kos_m824 Still hilarious though.
*ANOTHER QUESTION* If Queenie is a *legilimens* why did she not figure out Grindelwald's true thoughts on muggles as expressed in the beginning of the movie when they killed the newborn? Was Grindelwald an occlumens? He was powerful, but we know he wasn't a *legiliems* as he needed Queenie to know what "Credence" thought at the end of the movie...
He also left a baby in the first film. The child died because he would remember and could talk
He doesn't have to be a legillimens to be good at occlumency, which I have no trouble believing he was.
Harry wasn't good at Legilimency, but could definitely use Occlumency.
Coz he is an accomplished Occlumens,obviously. Legilimensy has to be developed separately. U r good at one, doesnt mean that u automatically become good in the reverse as well
He must be a skilled occlumens, and she has hard time understanding brits, let’s alone german-Swedish-Grindelwald people ...😂 also Legimencie is a natural skill one can develop ( some have a even more powerful natural ability to use it , like Queenie ) while occlumencie is taught , and can be mastered by almost anyone with enough training !
Does anyone else still feel that, even in the Wizarding world, time traveling is jumping the shark?
Unless it’s done right, yeah
It was never the best plot point. Giving a time turner to a child so she can take more classes??????? That's crazy. Every time they get used, they get even crazier like what happened with Cursed Child and now possibly Fantastic Beasts. A lot of people are saying time turner and that is going to be insane. Part of the issue is that you can't be seen otherwise you'll create a massive issue. You can cause a massive issue anyway like in Cursed Child or in the other example they used. Herminie said, "Bad things happen to wizards who meddle with time," for a reason. You're playing with fire. A time turner explains it, but unless it's explained really well, it's going to be the most over the top time turner plot point we've had.
What if Mcgonagall’s years spent teaching at Hogwarts weren’t consecutive? When she said “39 years this December” maybe that was a cumulative total rather than a consecutive one. That could explain why JK didn’t give her birth year in any writings because she had some sort of mysterious plot twist concerning Mcgonagall planned for a while now.
Jordan Greene first thought that came to mind
Can someone please talk about this. This is what I thought when I first saw Crins of G
Crimes* of G
No there is evidence already suggested that she graduated went to the ministery for a couple years, and then took the post at Hogwarts been there ever since.
Stevon Kline I know that she went to the ministry following Hogwarts, but what evidence are you referencing that suggest she was at Hogwarts for a continuous stretch?
There is evidently a deleted scene where Dumbledore and Minerva do something significant? Jude Law said so. I wonder if this scene would expand upon this issue?
Mark Reichman maybe it was cut
I always figured after casting Maggie Smith they aged her up for the films to be closer to Dumbledore's age. She's around 90 - maybe 100 to his 115 instead of 60. Since Crimes of Grindlewald isn't a book I'm guessing they went with her film age and had her shown in the film for some fan service. But then JKR is known for randomly changing stuff like she originally said Dumbledore was 150 then changed it to 115.
Or you heared that info on Dumbledore's age in an interview and misheard her?
I think that u might be onto something there. Its commonly accepted that film canon is seperate from book canon. They contradict each other and should not be mixed up. They're each equally valid within their respective mediums. In the films McGonagall is older than the books and so we can see her in the Fantastic Beasts films in that earlier time period. It doesnt matter than in the bokks McGonagall wouldnt have been born yet in that time period because there are no actual Fantastic Beasts prequel novels with book canon. (The screenplay and textbook dont count)
Option 3: She worked at Hogwarts for a while, left to do other things and then returned, and that was the 39 years she was counting from.
The fact that this wasn't considered by the Carlin brothers
this makes the most sense
I think pottermore had a birth year, they just got rid of it when Crimes of Grindelwald came out
which I believe was actually *1935* not 38
Do we have proof about that?
no it was a calculation by fans and pottermore. but not under rowling her approval. she does not controle pottermore every day. now i hope that that chances cause it brings Crimes like THIS! this might be the crime the title was talking about lol.
There was no year... Web.archive.org there you can check it
Not sure how reliable this site is, but according to harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Minerva_McGonagall she was born in 1935. This site did however back in 2007 list her birth year as 1925, so make what you want of it.
"2.02.12.2McGonagall's year of birth can be calculated as 1935 from her Pottermore biography and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 15 (The Hogwarts High Inquisitor), which reveals she began Hogwarts in December 1956 after working for the Ministry for two years immediately after graduation. This places her graduation in 1954, her first year in 1947, and her birth in 1935 (because of her October birthday, she was almost 12 when starting at Hogwarts)"
From the Harry Potter Wiki
I thought the rules of Time Travel were to NOT interact with anyone (as we see in the Prisoner of Azkaban). Even if she was there to help defeat Grindelwald, WHY WAS SHE TEACHING? A generation of students would have known a "Professor McGonagall" who would suddenly disappear. Years later, their children would have been classmates with a "Minerva McGonagall"!!
The rule is that anything you do when you travel back in time already happened the first time around, so nothing you do will change the outcome of anything, regardless of who you interact with.
I think it's more a matter of don't interact with yourself. When Hermione was given the time turner to allow her to take more classes each day, it wouldn't have done her much good if she couldn't actually attend or interact with anyone in those classes.
Hogwarts is in Scotland. Nobody would question that there are two women with that last name in Scotland. Not to mention that she wasn't called McGonagall yet anyway while she was still studying in Hogwarts.
Hermione used the time turner extensively during POA to take extra classes. I find it hard to believe that she didn't interact with any of her teachers. She is, after all, an insufferable know-it-all.
@@DerLetzteMonarch She was born Minerva McGonagall. She refused to take her husband's last name, despite that "McGonagall" is a Muggle name.
But what if the 39 years McGonagall mentioned is actually 39 CAT years...??? 🙀
Brilliant! I accept it as my head canon. :-)
*DUN DUN DUN DUN*
@@andrewpatterson4976 Me too
And Harry Potter always has SEVEN of everything, and one human year is SEVEN cat years. WOAH!! (This is completely irrelevant, but it's kinda cool.)
Yeah I tend to forget that she's animagus
I just think that it’s Entirely possible that professor McGonagle was a lot older when she excepted the position as a professor at Hogwarts. She certainly looks like she’s in her 70’s during all the movies not her 50s’s!!
There was obviously was a lot a lot more time in between things that happened in her life, then before she started teaching at Hogwarts as a teacher
Why would I want to watch a prequel?
*2 seconds later*
I got the popcorn!
Isn't it easier to think that J.K just goofed? I mean, isn't the simplest explanation usually right?
No. She should be lynched. I’m sick of her SJW antics and trying to gain control over film adaptions of her books. She needs some milk and a husband.
@@daviewz9335 Alriiight I agree somewhat.
The truth is they wanted a cameo and didn’t care
Exactly
Sounds about right.
That's what I think it's the truth too
Sadly right
This channel is about stretching the truth to fill plot holes. It's just fun, no hate.
She's a time cop. She went back in time to prevent someone else using a time turner to help Grindewald. During her assignments at Hogwarts she realized her true passion lay with teaching future generations.
Okay, I will say it now: I don't like the Time Turner Theory.
_((English is not my first language so I think that there will be mistakes in this comment, sorry))._
This is not my theory but I like it much more.
*We don't know her year of birth!!*
In 1995 Minerva said she was working at Hogwarts from 39 years, but we cannot know if they were consecutive.
Take for granted that she worked at Hogwarts from 1910 to 1927, she had already worked for 17 years of our 39. Maybe then she took a break from her career as teacher; it can be true if we think that in 1927 Dumbledore has been forbidden to teach DADA and, in later years as canon, he taught Tom Riddle, Transfiguration. So we can deduce that the passage of Dumbledore from DADA to Transfiguration took place precisely in 1927. It's very probable that with Dumbledore as Transfiguration teacher, had left 'without work' Professor McGonagall, who was teaching that subject before.
That left us with 22 years (39-17=22).
1995 (Order Of The Phoenix) - 22=1973.
In 1973 we can approximate McGonagall's return as professor. From 1927 to 1973 there are 46 years during we don't know what she did. She could still helped Dumbledore with the war against Grindelwald.
Why did Minerva return in 1973? Well, we know that during these years Dumbledore became Headmaster, leaving his chair as Transfiguration teacher for the role of principal, it would make sense then the return of McGonagall.
Besides, Tom Riddle attended Hogwarts from 1938 to 1945 and he never mentioned a Professor McGonagall (because these were the years of her hypothetical absence), whereas they mentioned that James and Lily had her as their teacher during their school years. And she is already a Professor during the years of _Hogwarts Mistery_ .
Another point: in 'Order Of The Phoenix' , Madame Pomfrey said something like: _"She was transferred to S. Mungo's this morning. Four Stupefy spells against the chest at her age? No wonder she is not dead!"_ *(I TRANSLATED THAT FROM ITALIAN TO ENGLISH SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORDS!!)* when Umbridge assaulted McGonagall. And Hermione: _"Poor Professor McGonagall, four spells at the chest, she's not that young, is she?"_ .
If McGonagall had actually been born in 1935, she would have been only 60 years old on that occasion, and we know that a witch is still considered young in her 60's, but this conversation suggests the opposite.
Last point: as you said, Minerva was one of the few people who knew what Dumbledore felt about Grindelwald and a was against him, if she was really born in 1935, she was only 10 years old in 1945, when Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald; its unlikely that a child knew something like that about Dumbledore.
Again, sorry for my mistakes. This is the theory I will follow till they don't mess up with canon again.
This is the link where I read the theory (still in Italian, Google Translate can help you) - - - > www.hogwartsite.net/blog/i-crimini-di-grindelwald-lapparizione-della-professoressa-mcgranitt-e-canonica-ecco-le-prove/
I really like your theory it makes more sense.
I love your theory, too! Imo it is more likely than the one of J. :)
Good theory
Rossella Piliero I like your theory a lot, and it’s a little more realistic than the one in this video! However, it’s not just 39 years, it’s “39 years this December”, implying an anniversary of sorts. It says on Pottermore that she wrote to the school in the middle of the school year (aka December) which is why she didn’t get a full teaching job until later. Because of this “anniversary”, it’s more likely that she started in that December and spent 39 continuous years teaching. While it’s possible that she just added up all the non consecutive months and years, the way she phrased it makes it seem more like it was consecutive and that the 39th anniversary of her beginning her teaching post was in December. Otherwise, she probably would have said something more along the lines of “39 years total”. Also, we never hear about another transfiguration teacher post-Dumbledore and pre-McGonagall.
Its a good theory but it’s been confirmed by Rowling that she was born on the 4th October, 1935. It feels more like fan service, unless of course Rowling’s going to be like “nope, she was born in 1889. don’t know where you lot got the idea she was born in 1935.”
This was the plothole that drove me crazy, J! 😂 Glad I could get your thoughts on it
Right!!
My ideas before havin watched the video:
*READ ALL OF THIS:*
*So, how McConnagal could be explained:*
*The first and least likely one:* That was Minerva McGonnagal's great-grandmother, whose name was also Minerva McGonnagal. Now I want to make this clear, the Minerva McGonnagal we saw in the movie was 100% intended to be the McGonnagal from the HP series, HOWEVER if it was just for dumb fanservice, the explanation that it was her great-grandmother is valid.
*Second:* McGonnagal's birth date was retconned, which is isn't a problem. Well now, how do we explain the fact that in Order of the Phoenix, she clearly states herself that she had been teaching at Hogwarts for 40 years (having started in about 1956 or so when Dumbledore got promoted from Transfiguration to Headmaster. Her birth date on Pottermore used to be 1935)? Well, her new retconned birth date would be in about 1890s. Now she started teaching at Hogwarts in 1910s. She could've either been teaching Transfiguration or unknown, let's call it SubjectX. We know there was a teacher, can't remember her name, let's say TeacherY, that taught Defense Against the Dark Arts for 50 years at Hogwarts, Tom Marvolo Riddle ending that by cursing the Defense spot so that there would be a new teacher every year. Point is, in Crimes of Grindelwald, we see that Dumbledore taught Defense before he was demoted by the Ministry and had to teach Transfiguration. That means TeacherY had to be teaching a different subject than Defense before 1927; Transfiguration or SubjectX. So all that means is that either: Dumbledore (Defense) replaced McGonnagal (Transfiguration) who replaced TeacherY (SubjectX) who replaced Dumbledore. Or: Dumbledore (Defense) switched with TeacherY (Transfiguration). Either way, when Dumbledore got promoted from Transfiguration to Headmaster, McGonnagal got promoted from SubjectX to Transfiguration. So when she said how long she was teaching at Hogwarts, she was referring to how long she'd been teaching Transfiguration. Which leads me to my next theory.
*Third:* McGonnagal taught Transfiguration but decided to stop teaching for about 30 years once Dumbledore took her spot. She might have offered it to him, wanting a break.TeacherY got promoted from SubjectX to DADA, obviously. Then maybe some new teacher took the spot of SubjectX. Now that means, when McGonnagal said how long she'd been teaching at Hogwarts, she was only referring to how long she'd been teaching without a break.
*Fourth and second least likely:* McGonnagal is time traveling. NOW I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING; even though we never see it, Time Turners are never said to not be able to bring one to the future. Since they can bring one to the past, why not to the future? Second thing I would like to address; time travel works a certain way in Harry Potter, as shown in Prisoner of Azkaban. It is a closed time loop. There are 2 dimensions of time (I really only noticed that when Harry said "See, I knew I could do it because... I'd already done it!" He HAD *already* done it, HOWEVER, he had only already done it in the second dimension of time, only doing it once in each infinite timeline), with an infinite number of identical timelines parallel to each other, forming a plane (now if there were two dimensions of time in real life, there would be no timeline, it would be a timeplane. You could move freely across time in any way you would want. HOWEVER, in HP, it unrealistically contains infinite timelines. Since there is already this unrealistic element, there is no reason why the timelines shouldn't be identical or slightly shifted from each other, as they are). So to time travel in such universe, one only needs to travel up or down the second dimension of time, arriving to the moment on the same identical infinite timeline where you wish to arrive. This is what we see in Prisoner of Azkaban, when everything seems to be rewinding extremely quickly around Harry and Hermione; they are traveling along every slightly shifted timeline, to the one where they are where they were a few hours earlier. In HP, you cannot change time, that's why Harry Potter and the Cursed Child *CANNOT* be canon, whether J.K. Rowling wishes it to or not. THAT BEING EXPLAINED, BACK TO MCGONNAGAL. McGonnagal COULD have been born in 1935, but she only time traveled when she found out she was destined to (destiny is a main theme of Harry Potter, Voldemort being destined to lose. Destiny is basically this second dimension of time, since every timeline is identical). That means she probably went back in time to around 1910 in around 1955. She would've taught Transfiguration for about 25 years until Dumbledore would take her spot in 1927, and she would travel back to around 1955. She would teach Transfiguration at Hogwarts there until 1998, when she would be promoted to Headmistress. That would make her around 90 by the time of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, even though she was born in 1935 and HP1 happens in 1991-1992.
*Which theory was your favorite? Mine is easily the last one. Also do you have any theories of your own? If you don't mind, it would be great for everyone to Tweet this at J.K. Rowling. Also you can copy n' paste THE WHOLE THING (I wouldn't mind credit, so here's my name: Luca-Sebastien Barret) and go like spam this everywhere! Thank you.*
now it makes sense now. Prof D sent McG back in time to help defeat G
@@1rjona Read my reply.
@@althealligator1467 I read your reply, If everyone accepts she was not born in 1930s then the theory she stop teaching for about 30 years is plausible but unbelievable. I believe if she has as long a teaching career as Professor D, Hagrid and Tom Riddle would have remembered her. Also 30 yrs is a long time. Almost as long as her current teaching career. Where has she been during that time ?
JK really need to have a very good explanation for this in the next Fantastic Beast Movie
it could be this, but i feel like it's again, adding more stuff to canon that might end up contradicting canon.
like, it would be easier to just say, oops, messed up on that one, than to go this way, because messing up her birth year/years of teaching for the purposes of a fun cameo is only a small mistake, but having her go back in time about 40 years could lead to a lot of mistakes and plot holes.
loved the video, but, idk. unless they actually did plan an explanation, and it's important to the plot, then i wish it'd stay as a throwaway mistake than something they try to fix and make worse.
You have to consider that McGonagall only says that she has been teaching for 39 years. These years might exclude the time she worked as an assistant, which is the position she was offered from Dumbledore. If she held that position for a while, then it is still possible that she was alive and working at Hogwarts during the plot of Crimes of Grindelwald.
True!!!
So basically they shoehorned her in the film against all logic. And now we have a mucked up canon just for a couple minutes of pointless fan service
A couple of seconds of pointless fan service, and, well, if you just take all of the movies as an AU fanfiction, it works better. Just imagine them as adventure movies without any continuity, and it's fine.
Hear hear. This whole movie is just nonsensical garbage!
YUP.
@@RichardLeslieWhereat No, it doesn't work. You can't just say it's an AU and stop all discussion.
@@RichardLeslieWhereat Ignoring any logic and just drooling at the screen is one idiots do. Basically my whole family. But I love em
Could you sort characters into Ilvermorny houses please? I think it would be a great video!
Do we even know enough about those houses? Even after you get sorted in Pottermore you get like 2 lines of explanation.
@@gingram2 Good enough lol
I’m a horned serpent. Apparently.
gingram2 We don't know too much, but we know enough to sort characters.
I’m like #60
OMG I was drinking when I heard Bobgonagall, I laughed so hard! That was the best thing I heard all day!
6:29 Excuse me, I had to straighten the truth out, Bob has known about magic since the first day he laid his eyes on the natural spendor of a simple tree. He is there with the greatest wizards of all time, transfiguring the ordinary into extasis. He has mastered the greatest magic there is. It's Love, Harry, Love.
I love how time turners are taboo in the Potter fandom
But at the same time Azkaban is the most popular book lol
Matthew Cahill That’s because it worked in PoA.
@@nettle8605 yeah. I feel like JKR had one time to use it and one time only and she nailed it. There's no way this Carlin Bros theory is right
@@matthewcahill8283 okay I like McGonagall and remember she had time Turner could it be that Dumbledore gave it to her so she can go back in the past and help him just a thought, and that could be why when she sent the owl for the job she got it so quickly they met before in the past she helped him so now he helped her. Makes perfect sense to me, just something to think about
True, Azkaban is one of my top two favorite books, but my least favorite aspect of this universe is the Time Turner. It was used well in Azkaban though, probably because it was in the possession of a very responsible character since it is a plot breaking device.
Seamus made a video and made the point against the time turners. They changed the birth date on pottermore.
They took it off actually
@@gatorfan556 does that mean Seamus made a mistake and deliberately implied that he knew for sure it was on Pottermore. I watched that video and I actually thought I saw the Pottermore page itself on his video.
@@doreencloutier1066 The date itself was on Pottermore. I know because I looked up her entire past on it for a fanfiction I was writing at it clearly said her year on there also, but it has been removed.
Check web archive, they never had the year on her birthday. Stop lying.
@@rousod Lying? If I am lying there are tons of others lying then. I will admit to not being completely sure because I just noticed it in passing. But again there was a whole video on it by Seamus Gormon the youtuber. You need to calm down and quit calling other people liars
That would also explain why McGonagall looks like she’s 70+ when we meet her in Philosopher‘s Stone even though she’s only supposed to be 53.... (no offense to Maggie Smith ofc, she’s the perfect Minerva and I love her) - I always thought that was kinda weird
The movies got all the ages wrong, Snape should have have been 31 in the first movie.
@@marshallnisbet1214 Please if anything Alan Rickman lost age between his role as Prince John and his role as Snape.
Rickman was the perfect snape.
I am pretty sure all that was in Philosopher's Stone was that she was "tall, stern-looking, with dark hair tied up in a bun"
When I see her on the movie i was really confused because I have this memory from somewhere where i kind of calculated some stuff (I forgot now srry) that her's and voldy's age are close-ish to each other.
I've always believed that she and Voldemort were close in age, but it was because I was able to calculate Voldemort's age and JK Rowling said in an interview in 2000 that Dumbledore was 150 and McGonagall was a "sprightly seventy." This would have been around 1995, Harry's time, so she would have been born in 1925.
Voldemort was born in 1926, if he was 16 when he framed Hagrid. All the sources state he was born in 1926, so this is probably correct.
www.hp-lexicon.org/source/interviews/sch2/
@@rebeccaschwartz5477 someone said above that Minerva was 1 year older than Tom, she was in her 2nd year when he entered Howarts.
@@rebeccaschwartz5477 But why does it say on the wiki that Dumbledore was 115 when he died?
Have you thought of the simple answer? The 39 years that McGonagall taught at Hogwarts was NOT consecutive
Well her presence in the movie is, in fact, very logic, if we read everything JKR wrote. I explained it in a video that has English subtitles!
The question that brought that number to light was 'how long have you been teaching at Hogwarts?' not 'how many years have you taught at Hogwarts?'
It's almost an inconsequential difference, but the first seems to imply that it was a consecutive time.
Of course that COULD be wrong, but Rowling seems to pay pretty close attention to how things are phrased.
Aaron Jones J.K. “I never stated Hermione was white”
Also J.K.: “Hermiones white face”
@@RandomPersonProbably Not only that, but when she comes back from vacation in France, her face is described as "very brown". WHY would Harry feel the need to make that comment if her face was ALWAYS brown?
Big misstep for JKR, she could have made a huge statement about race and media. What she should have said was "Hermione is a white character, but in this adaptation will be played by the best actress for the role, who happens to be black, so shut up." This would have been helped by the fact that Noma Dumezweni is an amazing actress, and even got a Tony nomination for Cursed Child.
Instead, she went on a pedantic diatribe about "never having specified Hermione's race" which is totally contradicted by the books. The way this reads to me is "It would be wrong for a black actress to play a white character, so luckily for everybody I never said Hermione was white."
Tl;dr JKR tried so hard to be woke, that she ended up reinforcing the segregation of the entertainment industry.
1995-39=1956 and it was said she was literally born Oct 4 1935. I'm upset with that mistake. Its already bad enough cursed child is lazy writing. Hopefully it's time travel.
Nice theory. But in ‘Prisoner of Askaban’ Hermione explains the risks and rules of time travel:
-you must not be seen by anyone
-> working with the children and entering Dumbledore’s classroom in presence of Ministry officials would clearly be a violation.
Besides, I’m pretty sure that Hogwarts keeps a record of all the staff that has been working there. And I am pretty sure that it has to be reported to the Ministry, who’s going to be teaching at Hogwarts.
Thus... as good as a theory it could be... there’d be critical aspects.
On the other hand... she gave a time turner -maybe her own- to Hermione and instructed her. So... she could have very well used it in the past herself... 🤔
ALSO, also, actually actually, the time turner being HERS, and therefore tested and proven to work reliably past 5 hours in respobsible hands (thereby making it WAY safer than all the other time turners) would explain how Hermione using a time turner for school got signed off. It DIDN'T get signed off by the Ministry, McGonagall just loaned her a time turner, explaining the rules so the Ministry wouldn't find out, or if they did, at least Hermione wouldn't get in trouble. I mean, in the movies Hermione shows Harry a book about time-turning laws, but in the books, I think she just takes McGonagall's word for it.
And I mean, I wouldn't put it past McGonagall, knowing how much of a stickler for the rules Hermione is, reinforcing her secret with a slight exaggeration of the dire nature of the rules surrounding time-turning by telling her they're LAWS, and breaking them even by 30 seconds or a slight glance will result in instantaneous horrible, space-time-shredding DEATH.
Just sayin'. That's what I'd do. It makes more sense than the usually pragmatic Minerva McGonagall just *trusting* a student, even one as trustworthy as Hermione, with a magical artifact with those kinds of consequences if anything goes even the slightest bit wrong.
These are "Ministry" rules not rules of time travel. Difference being that it is the Ministry seeking to control the time travel.
Remember that this is before the ministry was looking for death eaters and before Tom Riddle L.V.
But she was attending other classes , so she must has been seen by the professors and the other clasmates
I have a better explanation - Rowling wanted an Easter Egg more than consistency or accuracy.
Thats not how she works buddy
Marc Shanahan Exactly.
@@rousod considering she ignored time Turner function from the 3rd book to make the backstory interesting on Pottermore I'd say she does work that way
She very clearly works that way. She has consistently worked that way. She just retcons authorial intent into everything. Yupp. Cuz I say so, I'm JK, magic woohoo. Stop being a blind fan. She isn't nearly a perfect person
@@darthreaper6311 She never did that. Be more specific if you insist though
"Every time someone offers McGonagall something nice, she's like SEE YA."
Favorite mode of transportation: hippogriff!
Side note, does anyone else find the lack of wizard robes weird in the Harry Potter/Fantastic Beast movies? JK Rowling brings up wizards inability to dress muggle in nearly all the books yet everyone in these past two movies are such snazzy dressers.
Megan Buhler The American wizards/witches would be more adept at hiding, since they are so strict about not getting noticed by muggles. Other then that, I don’t know.
Lol I want to know when did Dumbledore give up those smart grey three piece suits in favour of brilliantly coloured robes
I’m not a fan of continuity errors - with things like McGonagall I can’t take tweets from JKR about “keeping the secret of Nagini being a woman for twenty years” seriously...
I love the new movies, but I feel like they aren’t that well planned out to fit with what’s already canon
Also: I can’t hear the word timeturner one more time after what the Cursed Child was all about
Victoria T But the books always describe her as being unusually intelligent for a snake, and Voldemort talks to her as though she can understand him.
@@johnjekyllson28 And with Rowlings explanation of Nagini's name origin, Naga, being depicted as a half snake-half human I find it totally plausible that her intent was always for Nagini to have been a maledictus. What reason would she have for lying about something like that?
Can it really be considered canon though if the only way the birthday had been from fans assuming things based off one sentence in a book talking about how many years she taught? Who's to say she taught all those years consecutively? Teachers take breaks, even in HP, look at Slughorn.
Dumbledore hired McGonagall as an assistant. She worked at the school, it wasn't said when she started teaching. She had taught for 39 years when asked by Umbridge. Also Dumbledore himself said he had wondered about Nagini and her intelligence.
I wasn’t doubting that Nagini was always supposed to be more than a normal snake and I’m well aware of the name origin, but still, just the way she wrote that one tweet irked me
I stopped taking everything as canon (in my head and personal opinion) when she started to just state things for diversity points and declared the Cursed Child canon (except for the friendship between Albus and Scorpius as well as Draco’s characterisation, that I liked), but again, that’s just my opinion and take on things
I would love you guys to tackle this plot hole from the movie; in the movie, Ariana has already died meaning Albus and Grindlwald have already duelled (the duel that killed Ariana). At this point, Albus and Grindlewald could not have concocted the blood pact (because when you are in a blood pact, you cannot battle the other person). Why did Albus then share a blood pact with someone who could have killed his sister?
Or maybe they, for some reason after Ariana’s death, decided that it was a good idea to form a blood pact as to never let such things happen ever again.
i read a theory which stated that they made the blood pact before the fight and the blood pact made the spell rebounced then hit ariana.. or it is some consequences from breaking the oath they made .. my guess is albus attacked grindelwald first which mean he broke the rule and ariana bore the consequences of his act
The spells bounced off them when they tried to duel and hit Ariana instead. That's my opinion
@@nettle8605 They say that the duel of Ariana's death was the last time Dumbledore saw Grindelwald before their big duel.
KERRY PETERSON COULD you have got the cause and effect turned around. Maybe Arianna died because Albus broke the blood pact. Maybe her death was a consequence of breaking the blood pact. Either way its obvious that he and Grindlewald had the blood pact Before the fight. The fight broke out between Grindlewald and Aberforth. So either Albus had to sit there and just twiddle his hands and watch Grindlewald use the Cruciatis curse on his brother and sister or he had to fight him. In HBP when he drank the poison and was reliving the experience it kind of hints to the former but we dont know for sure. Either way i don't see any plot hole.
"JK Rowling wrote the screenplay herself, I don't believe she made this huge mistake"
JK Rowling: "I never said Hermione was white, she could be black"
Also JK: "her white face"
She said that in defense of the casting of a black woman in Cursed Child. Meaning that u can interpret the character however u want, it doesnt actually matter. That is not to be interpreted as her saying Hermione was black all along.
@@MerkhVision No, it's just her contradicting herself for the umpteenth time in recent history.
ZimonZieClown everything is a contradiction if you misunderstand it lol stop
Leo Velli please by all means tell us how he misunderstood “I never said she was white”
@@RandomPersonProbably The books never specifically say she is white though. Ofc you can deduce that she is from reading the descriptions of her (100% certainty she was meant to be white). But never once in the books does it explicitly say Hermione is a "white person".
For all her faults, JKR was saying that in defense of the actress against racists who were hating on the her. I don't see why a black actress in a country like America with a lot of black people couldn't play a "white-coded" character when her race isn't even relevant to the plot. What if you wanted to play Hermione and you were asian for example? Should you be excluded because of that?
Movie James Potter: Maybe I’ll be chaser
Book James Potter: I’m already chaser
THE SHADE!! That cursed child throw was freakin hilarious!
First time commenter here because I finally feel like I have something to contribute. I love the theory but I think there may be a much simpler explanation. The calculation of her year of birth is based on the 39 years which McGonagall stated she had spent teaching at Hogwarts. However, we have no way of knowing that this was 39 consecutive years. If we take away this assumption, then McGonagall could have been born much earlier than our calculations. Keep making great videos!!
“I don’t believe JK Rowling did this by mistake as she wrote the screenplay”
HHhAHaHa funny joke J...
Aurelius Dumbledore. Aurelius kind of like Marcus Aurelius Emporer of Rome? The same Marcus Aurelius who was adopted just like this Aurelius? The Marcus Aurelius whose death ended the pax romana? Who was also known as Marcus Catilius Severus Annius Verus? Severus kind of like Severus Snape? Who kind of looks like an older version of Aurelius? Coincidence?
Not entirely bu i dont think Credence is related to Snape because Snapes parentages is pretty important in the books.
Reaching
is it? Cause names haven't proven to be important in the past, professor Quirrel for example.
Mathijs Pinxt what do we know about Snape's parents other than then his father was a muɡɡle and his mother was a pure blood?
And Snape was born in 1960 makinɡ Aurilius around 60 years older then him, more then enouɡh to make him a possible ɡrandfather, uncle, or ɡranduncle.
@@casimiriii5941 Could be but I think it is unlikely that Snape makes an appearance in Fantastic Beasts. The reason I think it is unlikely Snape has anything to do with it is not because it couldnt work storywise but because Snape is currently not important to the story abou Newt.
I hate that this is the only explanation that seems to be there (without just rewriting canon).. great video though
Pottermore did have a year and it was 1935. And god please NO TIME TURNERS!
I didn't have actually... People only repeat what they hear but they don't check facts
@@polta1414 what?
@@thecraftybookworm1596 Use Web.archive.org and check it yourself. Pottermore never listed a birth year for Minerva. That story was made up by somebody and is currently used to make Rowling look bad.
It isnt new, like someone made it up after this movie in order to make her look mad. Its all over the place. Oct. 4,1935. But I'm sure she has a plan for it. She created a world that quite a few people, including SCB, like to theorize and analyze. We know way too many details for a series that was originally made for children. Anyone who is a true fan isnt out there writing shmere campaign articles. Also Jon just did the math.
As stated multiple times in this comment section, "the math" could very easily be wrong if McGonagall ever took a break from teaching. A specific year for her birth was not established in canon, fans just made assumptions that seemed to make sense and became well known, that is all.
J: *opens umbrella indoors*
Me: *internally screaming* BAD LUCK!!