What every artist does but you need to stop NOW
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- These are the WORST art practices that keep artists broke! Are you making these mistakes? These are the most unprofessional art commission practices you've seen all over the internet, but today you'll learn why you shouldn't follow them or else your art business will fail.
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00:00 WORST art practices that keep you broke!
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Thanks Sean!
Best sites or apps to show your art on ??? Places you'd get the most attention???
Ooof, thanks for addressing emergency commissions. I see these all the time and I often feel repelled by it. It makes you pity the artist, whether or not you commission them, and it just never makes for a pleasent experience.
Yeah I truthfully always feel bad, but like I said, they’re also used for scams and flash sales. Ever noticed that? It devalues the immediacy of the commission and makes all artists seem insincere when they actually do have an emergency
@@TheArtMentor yeah I agree, it could be an easy way to prey on the emotionally supportive. Maybe just don't broadcast your personal situation to potential clients 😅
"If you are continuously in a state of emergency you have a much bigger problem"
As we say in my country : "if everything is an emergency, then nothing is."
Well said! It’s sad when artists use this tactic for any reason, isn’t it?
Im gonna be Sean's hype (wo)man again and say to any artists watching this: Listen to his advice. Some of the things you might think wont work, like not using commission sheets or not being cheap, but I can promise from personal experience it works. I joined his mentorship, followed his advice, and in 6 months I went from struggling to get $80 commissions, to getting a steady stream of $500+ commissions.
Now to stop the free advertising. I hate these emergency commissions, Im certain there are people who just use it as part of their marketing strategy. If they sound desperate and give some kind of story for sympathy, more people would buy from them. There are people I see always charging emergency comms, I go through their post history and it's a year of every single commission ad is an emergency.
y'all reading this? 😁 Saijiri here is an awesome example as well for how you can succeed using better, albeit unconventional, methods. Most artists are too afraid to try what everyone else doesn't do, but how's that working out for everyone else? Right?
I'm not a level yet where "if you have to ask you can't afford it" but my experience so far has been I have better results when I share something and give a price up front. If it sells at that price really quickly the next work at that size/complexity is more expensive. I've doubled my price per square inch in the last six months.
That’s awesome how much growth you have, yet you realize you’ll have to be confident enough to stop showing them, right? I get the common fear of not showing, but have you considered that the higher paying clients respect you too much to assume you have set prices?
@@TheArtMentor You're completely correct about commissions. I would not start a conversation about a commission with "here's my price per size" because that number is a starting point for me to keep things more or less consistent, not a menu for clients. So I wouldn't lead with the price in all situations. But for completed work I get more "is this still available?" messages when I share it with a price. Even then that price is a starting point for a conversation. (Like, "do you want it framed or wired or nothing?") I'm just saying. That's my experience so far. When I get to the point of approaching the kind of gallery that does not put tags with dollar signs on the wall next to the painting that'll be different.
Thanks a lot you are help me a lot Sean 🙏
Happy to hear this helped! Which of these tips did you find most valuable for you?
@@TheArtMentor the one about don’t have commissions sheet, gosh since I stop doing and advertising my prices I grow a lot and make more money than ever 🥰 Honestly if you dont make videos I probably never could charge more than 20$ for a commission xdxdxd
@@TheArtMentor also will be cool if u make a video about landing pages and newsletter for artists ? What you think about that?
that's awesome to hear! Keep it up my friend!!
I personally don't have either of those, but maybe when I do I'll make one?
Thank you, your comments are very USEFUL, from the beginning of this year my cilents continue to decline, sometimes a month without one, I think I'm not far away from standing on a rooftop in the cold of the night with a full of passion in my empty pockets
I'm glad you enjoyed! Which of these tips do you want to start implementing now?
really?@@TheArtMentor
Well you said that these tips were useful and your clients are declining, right? So what do you want to do to help your current situation? That’s a pretty dire circumstance
When it comes to making art I'm in a limbo state I'm taking steps to improve on the mental side of things. I started working out this week. I usually just drink water or tea though I have to kick my soda habit. I guess you can say I have no direction of what I want to do but I'm trying to fix that.
So what are you doing to address that? FYI thinking through your concerns just entrenched you in them rather than helping you through them 😅
@@TheArtMentor I'm just trying to take better care of myself that was what I was saying. Doing exercise and being consistent with it I want to do the same with my art. You've seen my pony art for a bit and I'm trying to branch from it. It's my comfort zone and I'm trying to escape it. I have been storyboarding for a project drawing people and not ponies so that's a start and I learned a bit going through it.
I have discounted when I didnt get commissions. Didnt really work.1/10 people would commission me and never reach back.
That’s bc they’re hooked on the pricing rather than the artwork,right? 😅
@@TheArtMentor correct!
I'm guilty for doing emergency commission post
lol so many are, aren't they? How often do you see the same people doing it all the time?
People ask for the prices when I do not post them tho 😅 I also seen post price list needed.
I am neurodivergent and this marketing side is really making it difficult for me 😕
So have you tried my conversation method I link to in this video desc? People ask me too, I just apply that and it works
@@eliclaes7533 I'm neurodivergent too!! Although I'm still considering some of the tips this channel gives, I'd say marketing in general becomes pretty easy once you know what to say, how to do it and things like that!!! Because of that, I'm building a whole notion page just for my sales scripts (gosh sales scripts work wonderful for us neurodivergent folks), my information and all that jazz!!! Although I do gotta admit marketing is still a bit difficult for me too LOL but it's not impossible!!
I always hated doing commission sheets because I never felt sticking a fixed price on certain aspects of my drawings was helpful. I always preferred to define it after talking to a client about what the project will be and what is their budget. Yet I always felt pressure into doing those because "it's what everyone else does", to the point that even platforms specific for artists have a spce for your prices.
I feel vindicated haha
Great advices, thanks! Will you make a video about where to get clients? And what about other platforms, like Upwork?
I can’t get any clients either but would strongly advice against upwork / freelancer and sites like that wasted so much time there . cheap artist , cheap clients
Sure! Check my links in the description where I have loads of videos on that topic 👍
is this a personal attack or something?
I did most of them... and I can tell why I am still struggling
thankfully I decided to be Animation only type
Haha not at all! In fact, I’ve done them all myself and that’s why I used to not get clients either 😅 what kinds of animations do you make for clients?
@@TheArtMentor I offer the clients anime style animation but... some might ask for weird fetishes
are you solid on your genre as well though?
Uhh, so I now know which platforms are bad, but which one are good?
So did you see my pinned comment with my playlist for this?
Great video! I’m wondering where you get the vast majority of your clients from if social media doesn’t seem to work
Thanks! Which advice did you find most helpful?
Btw for my recommendations, did you see my pinned comment here or my links in the description?
hello there! loved the video! but when you were mentioning bad platforms such an instagram I thought you were going to recommend good platforms to grow your following/social media presence ...so where should we invest our time and energy?
Thanks and I’m glad you enjoyed this! What did you find most helpful in this video?
Btw for my recommendations, did you see my pinned comment here or my links in the description? I make a lot of in depth content on that topic 👍
@@TheArtMentorparticularly helpful the part where you talked about pricing and not advertising art (Wich is a lux) in a mass production format... I came here from the AI video Wich I found very reassuring, as I'm very nervous about that 😂 aaand that last part about artistree was super helpful, I was thinking about going there and I will not ...
I'll check those recommendations you mentioned, thanks!
Glad to hear! Keep it up, I believe in you!
Loved your videos! I have a problem though, when you mentioned about no response being a response. what if the client paid me and haven't responded to me for a long time? I messaged them through email and multiple platforms already. And it's a huge sum too..
Hey thanks I’m glad you’re enjoying my content 😁 when was the last time you heard from your client and what was the job they paid you for?
Most likely that they're just busy. IMO nothing to worry about since you've been paid
I hope so, but that could also turn around on you if they never communicate. Any update?
Ok, have put my artist rate at $3, because the details I put on my artwork should take 10-45 minutes and I take 1 hour to correct some random detail.
I mean the artwork looks like it took an hour instead of 10.
That’s way too cheap. What are you trying to sell at that rate?
@TheArtMentor at the time simple looking portraits with bad poses, I did raise the price to $40 per fullbody when I added backgrounds posing and clean details.
Facebook groups... the hell hole full of accusers. I asked a simple question. And they told me im looking for attention and guilt tripping.
They’re about the same as FB marketplace 😅 lots of “how much? Or “is this available?” lol notice that too?
@@TheArtMentor I didn't use the marketplace. As no one saw my posts there. I put the art and the price... crickets.
common story!
Frankly I stopped listening after the first advice, as it is totally incomplete ridiculous and wrong in my experience…
As people will not contact someone to find out pricing more often than not, and it has nothing to do with their price range, it has to do with the fact that people don't like contacting other people....Especially about prices.
Put the damn price on your work. Every professional artist I know does this. And I'm talking about artists that sell for anywhere between $500-$15,000 per piece. And in Fine Art, not just illustration.
Unless you're talking about commissions where things can get fiddly.
Why so angry about it when you haven’t tried it? I’m speaking from experiences of myself and many others here, as well as higher paying clients. Have you considered that your fear of people not reaching out could be holding you back from earning more?
Na you gotta watch past videos, this guy know his game, serious artist on social media don't flex prices all the time but hey u can try
Guilty of "emergency" commissions. I'll end up being all "I'm re-opening because I just blew my credit card on taking the dog to the vet" when really that's nobodies problem, but mine. The only thing I DO NOT do is slash prices (might as well wait tables then right?).
I decided to incorporate "minimum charge" instead of offering small piece's for smaller prices weeks ago. I also changed my mind on having minimum $80 for a 5x7" to $200 minimum for 8x10" or smaller today when it comes to commissions after watching this, plus getting rid of the size/price chart (it showed starting prices on each size) just to try it out. Doing my original art may be "quick", but commissions take a lot longer for me than what people see me do on Twitch (client communication, and also slowed down a bit due to being extra careful with client pieces).
Oh yeah those are so common aren’t they? And I’m proud of you for increasing pricing!! Way to go!! How’s that going for you so far?
@@TheArtMentor I actually haven't announced it yet due to an upcoming social media hiatus coming this January (and will be back April) and will be closed off to online-based clients. But, I will be going back out IRL and try to gain clients face-to-face (Done it before. :) ). I'll let you know if it's hit or miss.
good luck and I'm rooting for you!