Mounting Pistols to War Belts
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There are a lot of options when mounting a pistol to a war belt or battle belt. As always, each person should consider what their context is and what they are trying to accomplish. Some competitors want a small drop for an easier draw stroke, but not so low that it changes the index point of the gun during movement. Many folks on tactical teams want to drop the holster lower for the same reason a competitive shooter would, but also they are trying to clear their body armor. Plate carriers can impede drawstrokes and lead to snagging when the operator is leaning (very obnoxious). A really low drop could be a good idea for some if they are sitting in a vehicle. A no-drop configuration is great when the shooter wants to ensure the pistol is always indexed in the same location (as opposed to moving with the leg) for a fast and consistent draw. This also can eliminate some chaffing problems on the leg.
“Experiencing pain when we don’t have to. It’s not tough, it’s stupid.” There you have it my friends. You heard it from the man himself. Would definitely buy a t-shirt of that.
hah came here to comment that but you were clearly first :
Which means David Goggins is a guitard
"Ok gimme my gun back *starts to panic a little*"
Yeah that was really weird and neurotic.
That was so weird 😅
Dont touch my toys !! LMAO
LOL. Ex-military...that never changes.
spicecrop Neurotic, maybe, but no one likes others equipment on them. I will always feel weird using someone else gear.
I was glad to see John added the #goodgame after the booty slap. That one phrase is the difference between team building and sexual harassment.
Dead.
Oh man. To early in the am to see this comment. Haha
Only if you were born in the early 80’s or before. I can remember watching the moment in time where even on a baseball/football field it started getting labeled creepy. Which I’m not complaining cause I can remember in youth sports and making a good play and grown men getting hype cause you just scored and lighting your ass up like he was your Father and you got in trouble at school😂😂 come off the field excited ready to celebrate with your team and now you can’t even sit comfortably on the bench
I’ll have to remember that next time I’m in the frozen food section of the grocery store. That last woman was right pissed off!
John was a really nice guy by calling the "and" guy a nerd and then moving on. John is a good guy
He handled that like a pro..
Yeah he was annoyed but told this dude to shut it. He was very professional and the dude needed to be validated.
Dudes feelings clearly were hurt
@andyrey8536 Chill guys, he was goofing off. XD
i have really long arms so i wear an ankle holster 😁
Knuckle Draggers do the best work.
Let me guess, you're a politician, lawyer or Apple/Microsoft CEO? :-}
Lemme guess, you have re-enforced knuckles on your gloves.
negative cc50 active duty, did 4yrs at group.
I have an ankle holster as well except it’s for something else that hangs really low haha jp
The QLS also does a good job of getting the pistol a little further out from your leg as opposed to directly screwing the holster to the mid/low ride UBL, which also helps with clearing thicker belts and other cool guy stuff.
Jon Dufresne had the setup that set off the light bulb for me. The spot where the gun actually clears the holster on the draw is even with the belt, and it's not sticking way out from his side. I've found that to be the sweet spot with kydex holsters for an unencumbered draw where you don't have to lean to the side to get the gun out. That attachment is the Safariland 6072UBL, which is intended to make the lower mounting holes of Safariland duty holsters ride high. However, because he mounted his QLS on the "concealment" configuration holes of the holster that are higher up towards the opening , it's riding in a perfect spot. It would be even better with zip ties or the RDR adapter that makes the belt slot 1.75" instead of 2.25". I think he wins for smartest holster setup out of all 4 guys. I'm subscribing now to the Kinetic Consulting UA-cam channel because he seems to have well thought out ideas.
"experiencing pain when you don't have to: its not tough, it's just stupid"
Said none of my NCO's ever.
Yup. That's the ARMY'S logic. Thank god, i got out 😆
@@meh6953
I’m still in :(
I was told that Sam was having his Glock surgically implanted into his right arm so that he wouldn’t have to draw. He is leading the new clandestine Cyborg Ops Team that no one other than the Warrior Poets have been given access to. A grenade launcher is being implanted into his left arm and his eyes are incorporating the new NVD w/ Red Dot integrated day/night technology. Op Codename : Winter SamIAam
😂
I love the comment about “running for a judge position”!
I tell my children this every time they go anywhere now, "don't do anything that might disqualify you from a supreme court nomination 20 years from now".
🤣🤣🤣
just ask anyone with a super low holster to do a dead sprint 100yds and back.
What's that do?
@William Stephens Agreed!
@@spencerwells1328 bruise the ever living shit out of your knee and side while it flaps and slams against ya lol
@@james_saturn1998 I Wouldn't Know We Wear An Insulated Compression Suit And Keep Our Equipment Secured My Holster While On The Thigh Is Strapped Securely To Keep Movement To A Minimum.
@@spencerryan4359 noice, im a broke ass civilian so my gears all over the place in terms of quality lol
Such hard won knowledge. Well done John. At the risk of sounding cliche, you're a "been there done that" kind of guy.
@4:52 On the back of my holster I glued a piece of foam at the point where it rubs and it has helped significantly. It sounds stupid, but it works.
If it sounds stupid but works, it's not stupid
@@Jack-leg80 if it work, it work
On Safariland UBL holsters, they make a psd for it. Pushes the holster away from the body and feels great after a 12 hour patrol shift.
You may want a drop-leg, or low-ride holster if you've got a belly. Source: I have a belly.
Or you could lose the belly.
@@MrEpeeFencer Thanks, Captain Obvious! I never thought of that, or even tried! Wow, really helpful info here guys. Hey, any insight into curing cancer?
I was building a shed for my “tool” but decided to get rid of the shed instead.
@claytongibson2474 I assumed at first you were just an older guy with the un-losable beer belly but skinny limbs. Your reply made it abundantly clear though, you're just into deflecting your own responsibility.
Brother i,m new to your channel live up northern canada 71 years old just want to say you and your buddies have a superb channel gun laws here are very strict and stringent but info i want you have and i and my few friends appreciate everything you do so thankyou very much for shareing your knowledge god bless and keep you and yours
It’s “High Ride” “Mid Ride” and “Low Ride”. It’s not a drop unless you’re running drop leg. If you’re using body armor, just get the bracket with the gap and you can still use High ride.
Funny to see three Toyota's in the background, when reliability is priority for their weapons, I can see auto's also take those priorities.
johns looking more buff last couple videos. skinny librarian looks is fading.
Anyone who’s worked with or has been infantry knows we’re mostly skinny as fuck lol.
PT!
Yeah, you can tell that he has grabbed his ass before
Safariland sells a UBL Pad that fits behind the holster to prevent your holster or belt loops from rubbing against your leg. It sells for $25.00. The pad is available for both mid and low ride mounts.
I don’t think it would work if you have the QLS system mount would it ?
I'm so glad you uploaded this. I just started looking for a battle belt set up yesterday, and this really helps me figure out what I like and don't like. Keep up the good work.
How did everything work out? I'm starting to get into more run and gun /tactical training and I've only ever concealed carry. It's a bit overwhelming when you're new to all the gear that's needed to do so. Belts, mag pouches, holsters, etc.
4:47 good form battle, you didn’t say the good game but hash tagging it in in post works 😂😂😂
When I see a video about holster placement I remember a clip where an SF in A'stan suddenly reached for his pistol in the kidney position--but he was wearing a drop holster...
I've got a warning for you: do NOT carry a pistol on your side with armor if there is any risk at all of falling into deep water. It will ABSOLUTELY prevent you from escaping your body armor in time to prevent drowning. Normally the procedure if that happens is you reach up and release the shoulder straps, allowing the armor to fall away. If you have a pistol on your side, it will catch the armor and prevent it from sliding down your legs, and drag you down with it. In those situations, opt for pistol on the carrier, even if it's less convenient.
Just give C&G holster a shout if they don't have the holster and attachment you need they will make it for you,best service going
In my opinion Kore makes the Best Battle Belt period. Okay, so to give some background I have been law enforcement for the last 8 years and have been shooting competition for the last 13. Throughout competition I have run probably 4 or 5 belts. While working as a sheriffs deputy I have used 7 total belt systems. I have run a leather safariland, a pleather bianchi, a nylon bianchi, a G-code operator, a ronin senshi, a 5.11 garrison, and finally this. Right away I was impressed with the system of adjustment while wearing the belt, this has been HUGE while working patrol and being in and out of cars as well as a firearms instructor where at times I will run a lot more equipment on my belt (this typically made my belt feel much tighter due to the spacing created between the belts) being able to adjust that in seconds has been freaking amazing! This is by far my favorite duty belt I have ever worn. It wins in comfort, adjustability, firmness, modularity… literally everything I can think of. My big question was if it would run Tek-Lok attachments due to its thickness and it runs them perfectly. It also fits esstac kiwi gap pouches perfectly and works with high speed gear mole pouches. This thing should be triple the price for what you are getting. I will be purchasing more of these for my training partners and likely outfitting our SWAT team with them as well. Seriously, don’t hesitate if you are looking into this belt system, it is fantastic!
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Putting all of the Safariland components together can be a bit confusing.
ass slap for the #metoo movement! love it John, lol.
Adam M I think the rule is anytime you slap someone on the butt you are required to shout “go team”! Otherwise it looks like your just trying to cop a feel. John’s execution was off on this today. 😆
Well hell he could be a Democrap, then its a no issue!
Lol that was hilarious
#goodgame
Gringo Amigo who hurt you jeez
I used to run a drop leg in Afghanistan but ditched it mainly because its hard to transition to secondary while moving. Now I run fixed on hip.
Thanks so much for the post, This is the next major item of kit I have to focus on replacing and employing. I just did Fighting Pistol and Fighting Rifle with James and Tac Response while they were here in OR, and I did the classes with a BHI Serpa on a drop and offset system they make. The holster was broken, not as in dematerialized, but broken functionally. I felt myself having to fight a bundle of my war belt material just to get my hand to fully and properly grip my Glock. Any ounce of hesitation in a gun fight will get you killed, be it mental or in the case of my Serpa physical. So Safari land here I come!
I have the Safariland low ride with a strap and I to noticed the lower part digging into my thigh so I cut a piece of 1/4 inch thick foam about a 2 inch square and used a washer under the screw and now my thigh doesn’t hurt anymore. But my other problem is the Safariland low ride, the points at the top sure do dig into me at my waist line when I got sit and so I’m still on the hunt for the prefect fit and comfortability of a mid to low ride. I’m a medically retired USAF Vet from CSAR that’s had bilateral hip replacement twice. So comfort is an absolute MUST for Me!
John, which specific Kydex holster from Tier1 you use here? Or all of them can be mounted to Safariland mount?
I have been looking for the answer to that question also.
The link is not specific
On my boat in the Navy we had drop legs and belt holsters any time we did a security drill I would fight for a belt holsters because all of the drop legs were WAY too low. You're trying to run around the boat and you have a gun hanging off your knee banging into everything.
4:55 Unnecessary discomfort is the bane of long-term use. Think of a rock in a boot on a 20km ruck march. Not smart.
or your laces are too tight.
This looks like the most protected BBQ you'll ever be at
So... after this video, I ordered a Tier 1 holster for my HK p30L. Love it. Ordered 4 more for my other guns. I guess the video served me well. Thank you
I'm struggling to find that exact holster that John has. And it's not on the Tier 1 website.
I think it’s the optio
I died for several minutes! When John said, how's my beard? How's my eyebrows! Hilarious at 5am! Lol
I've been looking for a good drop leg for a long time but the ones I find have always hung way too low on me being a shorter guy, then I found Safariland and their drop legs the mid drop fits me perfectly and there's no more issue with it swinging around on my belt and the straps rotating around my leg. The paddle with the leg strap was my choice. So glad I found this video
I run the S&S Precision GRT with my Safariland 6354DO, with a leg strap. It’s comfortable and having the ability to change the drop of the holster from the push of a button is awesome.
Another great vid! #goodgame
I switched from a Sig Legion 226 SAO to a Glock 19 Roland Special type setup for 1 reason...... the Safariland 6354DO. It is hands down the absolute best holster ever made for regular carry and tactical. I use it with UBL mid ride and one leg strap and it’s simply the best with or without armor. It’s also the most secure. It is simply perfection 😂. Not kidding.
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This is exactly the video I needed! Thanks John. Looking for my first owb holster for some tactical training and all I've ever done is conceal carry so this is all new to me. I'm seeing that esstac, blue alpha, and safari seem to be the majority go to for a belt set up. I have a p226 legion with a romeo 1 pro optic and soon to be surefire x300u. Seems a bit overwhelming with the vast variety of options for everything. 😖🤯
infinite options. i've quit trying to choose about 7 nights in a row.
Hey John you actually have the DFA (Drop Flex Adapter), the gent from Greenline Tactical has the UBL (Universal Belt Loop).
I replied the same then I saw your post.
WP is the only one who had a quick access knife. Love the Colonel.
Digging these video's with all you guys. They're awesome!
Love my QLS mounting system. I don't know how guys drive with the low drop setup, but it is faster. I'm linking the mid-drop setup sp far.
I personally run the mid ride with a QLS for that extra armor clearance and a thigh strap to stop the holster from flexing outwards when I draw. Adds an extra way to keep it from bouncing when I’m in a sprint as well.
I've been trying to find the right one but safariland is retarded in their naming
Anyone know the specific knife he has in this video
Drop leg also allows an easier pull from the prone position.
rifle red dot on pistol. Snake Plisken style!
Wow, I found this short and sweet, VERY IMFORMATIVE AND EXPLAINED IN A WAY ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND, GREAT VIDEO, GREAT INFO, I JUST SUBSCRIBED, THX FELLAS
The way mr. Lovell has his is bar far my favorite. I do airsoft so I'm stuck trying to find a bunch of different things that I hope works together but with my plate carrier I prefer his drop location. Having two traps is too much and no strap is too loose for me
Air soft with a plate carrier? Cringe.if it makes you happy .
@@ryanpm4460 yeah I mean why not? I use a chest rig if it's hot out, but the plate carrier gives me better protection against bbs against my chest. Either cardboard plates or foam works best
Which Tier 1 holster is John using? Centurion?
Great explanation of ride level, clearance/draw considerations and thanks for covering the qls versatility. No frills just facts thanks 💪👊
Always love the videos and different perspectives. Let's see some shooting. 😀
What Teir1 holster is that?
The thigh high argument not being okay , never understood it. I wore one when in the military and at the range as a civilian. It never shifted around. Cheap nylon holster and it was good to go. The weight argument may be valid, but not a factor for 90% of users. It is okay to pimp products for income, especially if you have vetted them. But shaming people into buying and using expensive gear is not cool. That change-out attachment is cool, but not needed for most people. For a basic holster setup, you can easily spend $200 not counting the belt! Don't shame people who should not be spending too much on gear. Give them options not ridicule. I go ghetto when I can buy more expensive gear. I have been using holosun for years now. People mocked those not so long ago.
"Experiencing pain unnecessarily is not tough it's stupid"
TRUTH!!!
Good seeing you running the TLR-7 i bought mine after your video and running a Safriland 7ts als put a piece of condensed foam in bottom of holster to eliminate play i run the g19
John for congress!!! Love ya bud!
I appreciate the model reference on your drop leg attachment. There’s so many safariland attachments and wasn’t sure what I needed. I got it down now. Thanks
Really good advice derived from practical experience. Well done folks, Ty.
Thanks John, et al.
Leaning in? WTF? The reason the mount digs into your leg is because the design Safariland uses, tips inward on the bottom of the Mid and Low drop mounts. I used a heat gun and bent the mount out on the bottom so that it wasn't digging into my leg.
Smart
I cut it off with a chainsaw and wrapped the rough end with the skin of Sam’s enemies. Rubbed a full cup of liberal tears into it to soften the edges
I'm trying to go G Code RTI whenever I can. The final straw was trying to buy a Safariland 6392RDS holster and it only comes with a belt or drop mount. They will not sell you the holster as a stand alone item. Why in the ever loving fuck do they build and tout a modular system if you can't buy the exact components that you need? Why do I have to buy yet another belt mount when I already have two? I like the quality of their stuff but it's stupidity like this that makes me switch to a competitor if there is another option.
John Pitcher when you bent the mount were you able to get it straight vertical or did you have to bend it so much the handle cants inward toward your hip? Were you able to try it with armor to see if the draw becomes obstructed? I thought about modifying the angle on my Safariland but it already sits so tight to my hip it hits armor. Probably end up buying a different model soon.
Hi @@sinfulyminded
Full disclosure, I work full time as a tactical Instructor. I also think it's important to include that I am 5'10, 170 lbs. Physically fit. I find that a lot of people recommend, or complain about the fit of things when they are part of the problem themselves. If you know what I mean.
I mostly use a battle belt with a drop down mount. When needed, I also wear a duty belt with a medium drop. I have modified both of the mounts with the heat gun. I wear armour with both setups and have no issues. The key is, I also use a QLS with my holsters. That provides a little more clearance outward.
Hope that helps.
ALS/SLS, Tundras and 4Runners. Subbed.
Great info John!
Love my Tier1Concealed holster. Quality is superb.
Last guy was the only one who new his stuff same same same place all the time.
*So much Toyota!! Love it!*
Great tips gentlemen ! Thank you all
I'm in the market for a new quality holster/belt set up. I wasn't sure what to get, but thanks to you guys I've narrowed my options down to G-Code or Safariland on a mid drop. Now if I don't get rid of this gut, I'll be needing to order a man girdle.
Just reminds me when I was a kid trading Pokémon cards and telling everyone what Pokémon cards do and how they work
Always loving these videos man! Would love to see an in depth look into these yota setups!!
First time viewer. Glad you guys are wearing med kits/TK's. Its a mark of professionals in this field of youtube videos - and we all know the quacks out there!
God bless you man!
Can we just pause for a second, and all agree what total Chad move it is to mount an Aimpoint to a Glock? That's some serious BDE right there, good flex.
One issue I've experienced with the Safariland QLS is that it sticks my gun just far enough away from my body that if I start running it really slaps around, and I have to hold my gun/holster to secure it. Any work-arounds to prevent that?
I use Safariland's hi-ride belt loop so I'm not sure if going with a lower drop would solve the problem.
I use a mid-drop Safariland UBL to mount my Safariland holster to my Condor Slim 'war belt'. The mid-drop UBL mount allows my Hovater to ride just below my 782 set up.
That guy may as well run a LPVO on his pistol, that optic is huge! All jokes aside, love the videos John! Keep it up!
I have to say I’ve never ever seen a micro rifle red dot mounted on a pistol
@@RockyMountainWest13 hahah for real!
Thanks John 😬
we need so much more of this type of educational video
Thanks for making this video, helped me out a lot!
I'm trying to match my m&p 40 pistol and tlr 3 light in a kydex holster with mid ride position. Will the safariland attachments connect with any old kydex holster? If I pick up a owb kydex do I just unscrew the belt clips and replace with the safariland attachments? TYIA
Sam over here with a t1 on his pistol😂😂 no, as funny as that looks I’d love to try it. And know how he mounted it.
Freedom's Life look into rear sight mount adapters. There’s a bunch of them designed for however you would want to mount it.
It’s a Raven Concealment BALOR Mount
So at work we run Safariland holster with just the retention strap over the top of the pistol. All the newer ones have the ALS button on it even if it comes with the level 3 strap cover. Is there a way to remove the ALS button so i dont have to change how i use it? I dont want to get used to it and then go do my qualifications and be looking for something that doesnt exist.
John,
Did you put washers on the bottom bolt of your UBL? I’m trying to find a way to cant the gun back outward so it’s not aiming at my foot when holstered. Thanks. Please respond.
Thank you for the video John
...... very well presented gentlemen , and it was fun to watch ....
I want an in depth review of Sam’s pistol because that sight looks like a lot of fun
Great talk.
Hey there John, what type of clip are you using for your gloves? Thanks..
John, what pistol are you running in this video? Glock 19? What mag extenders and magwell do you use?
Awesome Stuff
Great video as always, J-Lo
Would love to see your take on the diff quick attach systems from safariland, gcode and blackhawk
I setup my holster so I can kneel down with a rifle and not have the pistol jamming into my gut. But not too low. Safaris help.
Thanks for video.
I've always been curious how you run a battle belt with a ruck on. How do you adjust where things sit so you can carry a heavy load in your bag and still have the battle belt available? I find the waist belt on my ruck tends to sit more or less where a battle belt would, thus not allowing me to access anything on it, or crushing everything on the belt into my body on tabs.
Mister DON is look like the sniper actor TOM BERENGER
My setup was always to get the grip of my pistol right at wrist height, just above my palm. This let me have a natural grip on the pistol and my hand came up.
Is there anyway to secure the QLS in addition to just letting it slide in? Also, if I don’t need the detach system but I like how it pushes it out farther from my vest, is there a spacer I can use?