Shubunkin vs Comet Goldfish, What's the Difference?
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2020
- Hey Aquamigos! Here is an in depth video on the differences between Shubunkin Goldfish and Comet Goldfish. I also talk about the differences between Comet Goldfish and Common Goldfish. If you have any ideas for future video topics, feel free to let me know in the comments below!
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Goldfish live up to 35 years in its natural habitat, my goldfish is still alive and its still in the same 130 litre aquarium since 2006
Impressive! Thats 14 years old already!
This explains why some of my "Comet Goldfish", I thought, have long flowing tails and my others don't. This is some very valuable information for me and I've been in this hobby for over 35 years!!! Thanks for posting Tobias.
Same here! I was calling all of my common goldfish comets. Little did I know there was a difference. I'm glad you enjoyed the info Michael!
Cos many pet store that sell them call them all either commons or comets.
@@carbrickscity Yeah most Big chain pet stores just basically hire anyone,even people with no experience at all
In summary there's a difference(an extra for the common goldfish):
Common goldfish are the oldest variest of goldfish breeds in history, their native range is from China where they were bred for food including their wild precursor, Prussian carp.
1. Comets have ONLY long fins, hence their name
2. Comets are metallic
3. Comets originated in the United States in 1800s by crossbreed a longtail ryukin and a common goldfish by Hugo Mulert
4. Shubunkins originated in Japan in the later time, at the early 1900s by crossbreed the calico telescope and the comet. There are other kinds of shubunkins of which I'll explain you guys later. One bred by crossing the common and calico telescope as well.
4. They are nacreous, sometimes they can be a Sakura (nacreous/matted goldfish with red and white coloration, although there are some individuals with little black speckles
5. Their offspring is heterogeneous, meaning the genes of their colors are not exactly alike to the parents.
Nacreous x Nacreous =
25% Nacreous
50% Matter
25% Metallic
Goldfish that are metallic from calico offspring are "uncolored" because their colors resemble to the wild Prussian carp.
American/Japanese shubunkin have a body resemblance to comets
London shubunkins have a resemblance to commons. I read that they were bred during WWII in London.
Bristol shubunkins have an unknown genetic history, it's uncertain of what goldfish bred, but I found that it's first look was bred in Great Britain in 1930s.
Finally, their nickname is called poor man's koi because not only they are smaller than the Showa and the Sanke koi, they are very cheap.
金魚ZeZeKingyo could you help answer my question? My fish laid eggs and they are 4 months old. The female are cersa comets and the Male is a london shubunkin (calico). basically I’d like to know if the offsprings will develop colour or will remain mentallic even though the mother is a cersa? Thanks
@@sweetbutterfly5 Sorry for such a long comment! I see that you had a thought if they would be formed as metallic, matte, or nacreous you say.
So, my info is partially outdated other than the history of shubunkins and the heterozygous trait in nacreous. Nacreous and nacreous fish certainly makes 50% Nacreous, 25% Metallic, 25% Matte.
But crossing a Nacreous and Metallic equals to 50% Metallic, 50% Nacreous. This is because the nacreous trait that is responsible for bringing matte traits out is suppressed by metallic traits of the other fish, and that the metallic phenotype population increased, while the nacreous remains at a 50%. It varies on the bloodline but this is a general rule of thumb.
The Goldfish Council has such a large information relating to the goldfish genetics, there's this article where it explains scale types and it will show you the part where the info on nacreous exists.
www.thegoldfishcouncil.org/post/transparency-mutations-in-goldfish
I think the long, flowing tails of the shubunkins is so much prettier to look at than the short bodies of ryukins & orandas etc.
The flowing tails are very nice 🙂
Personally I prefer fantails because their tails look so graceful and ummm.... swishy
@@ratatat1009 Fantails are great too, I have a nice fantail in my pond now
@@ratatat1009 Fantails are great too, I have a nice fantail in my pond now
Long tails looks better but I think short tails are more hardy.
This video has been very helpful in answering my questions. Thank you so much.
You're welcome! Glad it helped! :)
Whew, that's long, I'm so hyped when it comes to learning and teacji goldfish man!
Just found your channel, loving the variety of content.
I'm glad you are enjoying it! Thank you for watching 🙂
This was great and answered all my questions! Thank you!
This video was so helpful keep up the good work
Thank you! 🙂
Ay that was my comment on my personal account. Happy this vid did well for you!
Great set up. I could not imagine having a pond in my backyard. Thanks for the info.
Thank you! and you're welcome. Having a pond is a lot of fun :)
First time watching this channel and I was hooked. Thanks
Thank you Andrew! I'm glad you enjoy my videos! 🙂
Omg, I have searched from over a month, scrolling through boring feeds, looking for a proper definition of shubunkin's and goldfish, FINALLY you've solved my dilemma, thank you!!!!
Just rewatched to recap, your shubunkin has to be an American/Japanese shubunkin. And is that a butterfly koi in there as well?
this is so cool to know! back almost 2 years ago i purchased 4 itty bitty comet goldfish for $1USD each at a chain pet store. i noticed one was starting to lose the black on his fins and that Google search led me down a goldfish rabbit hole that landed me here. turns out i have 3 common goldfish and one of them is a sarasa comet 🤷🏼♀️ who would’ve guessed haha. they’re now about 3-3.5 inches long and in a 75 gallon tank. i have a 250 gallon tank with their names on it when they get a bit bigger. thanks for teaching me something new!
Awesome! I'm glad you were able to learn something new about your goldfish! 🙂
Nice video! I loved the music!
Thank you! 🙂
Thank you. It was an excellent explanation.
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I love Comet Goldfish so much! They're so beautiful & have so much personality. I can't believe they're used as feeder fish in pet stores, good thing people like you have enough sense to keep them as pets! 💖
That's the people that Don't care for any pets
I'm now in the fish keeping hobby because my kids won some comets at the fair. I've learned SOOOO much about caring for fish!
I never thought I would love fish, but now I do.
Comet goldfish are great and such fun fish to have!
My arowana eats goldfish as food
@@germanyball6827 I get that if you're gonna keep reptiles or predatory fish as pets, they need to eat live food. I just don't get why they sell baby Goldfish to fill that need, they have the lifespan and personality of a cat. Why not Minnows or Tetras that only live 2 years?
Informative VDO. Love it.
Thanks mate ,I’ve just had barely info about shubunkins before I found this video
Glad I could help! 🙂
Thank you buddy.Yes Shubunkin is no poor man's Goldfish.I have 1 is a calico male the other is a female with distinct dark orange colour and some dark pigments.Its unique in its own way 👍
Sounds like you have some nice fish!
Thanks for the informative video. Are there shubunkin fantails?
I have a 15 year old common goldfish that is about 10 inches long. It lives in a 20 gallon aquarium, but I take good care of it so it’s not dirty. They live as long as you take care of them.
That's great to hear man 🙌
People live a long life in prison too
PLEASE upgrade your poor fish to a minimum 50gal tank or even better dig a pond! Imagine being in prison and you might get a slight idea what your fishes life is like...
What do you feed them?
Godsh I’m still why do I love your vids so much 🥺x
Thank you 🙂
this is an amazing video
Thank you! :)
What glue did you use in that black sheet😊
Love the music overlays Tobias, very soothing though the first one kinda reminded me of the music from the movie Sinister. 😳
Thank you! 🙂I've never seen Sinister. I'll have to remember to watch it one day
Tobias Holenstein oh it’s creepy 😬
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Idk if you looked into this but there's this thing you can buy that makes a small nosie that keeps birds and other animals away from ponds and yards
Nice, I haven't heard about that before. I'll have to look into that
I have a common gold fish that's 7yrs old and one that's 4yrs old currently looking to get a shubunkin and ryukin also a few loaches to mix it up in my 75gal aquarium. If anyone has any advice please let me know
Where did you buy the pool from?
I just found out now that my goldie is a shubunkin, thanks for the info. You are so funny and i like you
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Awesome! and thank you! 🙌
Like 19! How are you Tobias? Love the editing my friend! Shouted you out on the last live about an hour in! The pond and the goldfish are looking awesome! Love the information too! Awesome! I don't like how that sounds either! Another great video! Keep up the great work! Hope you and the family are doing good and staying safe! Take care and God bless! Animal Papa and Junior! 🐾👍🐠🙏
Thanks so much James! I'm good, how are you? I'm sorry I keep missing your live streams, I'll go back and watch it and thank you for the shoutout! :) My family and I are still doing well thank you! I hope you guys are doing well too 🙂
Your very welcome Tobias! Glad to hear you and the family are doing good! We are doing good too my friend! No worries, hope to see you at the next one so everybody can see who you are! I tell them about you but I sure they would like to see for themselves! Take care and God bless! Animal Papa and Junior! 🐾
What is the reason for goldfish pecking on another goldfish's slime coat. Its not attacking or biting and the other goldfish seems to stay quite still while the other seems to he kissing its side?
Thanks for this vid.
You're welcome man!
Lol thanks for this. I have a new fondness of comets and shubies. I still love my ranchu and fancies but these comets and shubies are a lot easier to care for
Love the Bristol! Unfortunately doubt we get them in NZ, but I learnt lots
Thanks for info.
No problem :)
Thank you very much.
You are welcome! 🙌
I wanted to have some Koi in my newly built pond, then I find out that it is illegal to keep Koi in my state.... So that brought me to your vid which was very helpful. I will be searching for Shubunkin to fill my new pond. Thanks heaps for the content.
Sorry to hear that! I didn't know it was illegal to have koi in some states. You will love the shubunkins though. Thanks for watching! Best of luck with your pond!
@Luke MASSEY I googled it and apparently it is illegal to have koi in Maine
I love butterfly koi they woud have been my preferred fish however I only have a 300 gallon pond. It's way too small for koi. I have 6 shubunkin and they seem happy there. Also they are not as destructive as koi so my pond plants are thriving. I am happy to hear blue is most desirable. I have a very blue one.
Awesome! Shubunkins are such beautiful fish. Nice to hear that you have a very blue one!
You’re hilarious I loved watching this it was very informative with some humor !
I have a suggestion for research of a video... My favorite fancy goldfish is the Froghead/toadhead yet there’s little to no info out there on it.
It’s a hybrid mix between an eggfish and a bubble eye. And one breeder I asked questions to said when he bred them, out of 1000 eggs he only got 8 pure Froghead. 😓
I bought one right before Christmas last year and it died only 3 days of getting him I was so upset! I told the breeder and no good answers to why he died because I’ve been keeping fancy goldfish for a long time now. I am not a newbie so I’m trying to find another Froghead.
Anyways, long comment but wanted to share that and ask if you could do a video on frogheads 🐸🐡
Thank you haha I'm glad you liked it 😄I've never even heard of Froghead/toadhead goldfish before haha so yeah I agree that would be a good video idea! Maybe I will do one in the near future. I know a lot of the fancy varieties can be prone to health issues, it probably wan't your fault that it died. Thank you for watching! 🙂
Hi love your video, hope maybe you can help me out !
I live in England ,have a 1200 litre pond .
Planted with marginals,deep water and oxygenators.
Have mixture of shurbunkins common and comet goldfish .
My common goldfish keep dying , the water quality is spot on , filters pump cleaned in pond water,
Plenty food no marks etc on fish ,no gulping for air etc .
Any ideas?????
Hi! Sorry to hear that! Are you doing anything before they pass away or does it seem random? Also, I know you said your water quality is spot on but can you give me the exact parameters, thanks!
Hey Tobias, I love your pond and fish, but there is so much algae! Love your videos😁
Thank you! Yeah there is a lot of algae, I'm hoping it'll take care of itself, if not I'll have to remove some. My fish seem to like hiding in it though
Algae is great for the fish to eat and hide in, and for microbeasts to live in..which gives the fish live natural food....stop sanitizing nature! 🙄
thank you for info
You're welcome! 🙂
Good deal bro you correct from my research I've come up with the same but like you said not all of hss the room for a 1000 gallon pond an I have two of these fish an a few long tail commet very beautiful fish in a pond
Awesome A.J. sounds like you have a nice pond going!
Warning this video contains alot of information You need to watch the whole thing,i learned alot and hopefully I will remember it
I'm glad you liked the information! :)
Thanks
i once had a goldfish with the calico coloring once, i thought it was a pretty awesome design. some of the designs went away over the years and it became a plain regular gold. i was wondering if the fish was just colored by people, the color was worn off by the water parameters, of if it had gone out on its own due to whichever. i wanted the colors to stay permanently.
it could have been that it maybe was a hybrid, maybe a common / shubunkin hybrid or something. In my experience, a lot of common goldfish will be born with different colors or patterns and as they get older they will turn a solid color
@@TobiasHolenstein oh,ok. Could possibly be. Thank you for the reply.
What about those orange once? Are they subhukin?
Some states in Australia like WA, VIC and NSW can keep Koi fish. But QLD, NT, TAS and SA is illegal to keep koi fish. So we have to purchase the closest fish to koi, which is the comets. Just to keep as a fish around the house or ponds. They're all beautiful to watch and relax to nature
Wow! I didn't know it was illegal to keep koi fish in some places. Yeah goldfish are a great alternative to koi for your ponds :)
I have a whole outdoor 900 gallon pond devoted to feeder goldfish from pet stores and ones people have no room for. The feeder goldfish are some of the prettiest fish. They can become a foot and larger. I'm adding in one Shubunkin, who someone asked me to adopt.
He has really long fins and tails and I can't quite find a similar type of fish to him from my online searches. I just don't want him to get harassed.
That's awesome! Congrats on your new shubunkin!
I have a solid salmon colored "Shubunkin" that I was concerned was a common I overpaid for. After looking at the types, he is shaped more like the London Shubunkin, so maybe it's good.
Nice video man! Have you ever seen the long tail comments that have the extremely long tails?
Thank you! I have! I love those ones 😄
Thank you man I get a good knowledge about gold fish after watching this video 😍♥️I am from sri Lanka 🇱🇰 I don't forget subscribe you Chanel 😍 again thank
shubunkin vs mixed color koi carp..
i am confused which fish do i have
One way you can tell is if you fish has barbels (the little whisker things around it's mouth) If it does, it is a koi, if it does not have them, it is a goldfish
This guy is a comedian 😂 what a character!
Thanks Anthony! haha
What are the ones that have more than one tail called?
Those ones are Fancy Goldfish or Fantail Goldfish
Are london shubunkins more hardy then japenese shubunkins, because i heard common are more hardy then comets
I can't say for certain, but in my experience with goldfish, the more hardy ones are the ones that are most similar to the "wild" goldfish. So I would imagine that the Japanese shubunkin would be more hardy than the London/bristol shubunkin because the London shubunkins appear to have a rounder body (kind of like a fancy goldfish)
Could I keep a shubunkin in a big tank with a black moore ??
In my opinion, I think it would be fine. A lot of people say not to keep fancy goldfish with long bodied goldfish because there will be unfair competition over food, because the long bodied goldfish will get the food quicker than the fancy goldfish. However, I have an oranda goldfish in my pond and it doesn't seem to have trouble getting food. Just make sure the black moor is getting food
new sub just find u make it easy i'm kind of just start fish keeper thing and that mean i got third types of goldfish now all sht
Thank you for subscribing! 🙂 Happy fish keeping!
I have 3 shubunkins 2 fantails 1 red cap in 15 gallon, they all fit perfectly right now in my tank but i will upgrade soon
It's the usual with science, the answer is rarely simple and you are forced to dig a long time for the answer. Thank you for helping. Apparently here in Hawaii comets can eat cane toad tadpoles, or at least a certain number, without dying.. The cane toads are a major pest here so this is very important.
Very true! and wow I have never heard of the cane toad before, but I just google searched them and apparently they are the worlds largest toad!
@@TobiasHolenstein Mostly the problem is that they are so prolific. They eggs in strings of 1500 per toad and overwhelm everything else in the pond. They have destroyed some of the native fauna in Australia becuase they look like prey but kill the predator.
I have a white shubunkin with white dots on his heads, fins, tails, and other parts, what is that type called, i wish i could send you their pic, their name is quapy
I'm not sure if it has a different name. It may just be that your shubunkin has more white in its pattern
@@TobiasHolenstein when he/she yawns its so cute with that tiny mout
Best food for goldfish and carps, for good color and growth??
Now that my fish are quite a bit bigger I've been feeding them koi pellets, the Blue Ridge Plainum Pro ones. My goldfish and koi seem to really like them
2 yrs two late but could you do a video on sexing shabunkins- I really want a breeding pair, iv three shubunkin with one dragon koi .. two very dominant but I know this doesn't always mean their male. Lol maybe u can help..
Do comet and common goldfish when they young look the same?
Kind of, I think their tails may be a bit longer even when they are young, but I think the fins and tails of comet goldfish are more distinct as they get older
I still love my 30 cent goldfish (basically carp) 😂
They are awesome! I only paid 20 cents for some of mine 😄
How long do Shubunkin live
I have comet and common goldfish which are just around 15 years old in a pond.. and they are still going strong..
Have a few calico comets. Wonder what color they will turn if they lose the calico lol
Yeah! Are they still pretty small?
Tobias , will Shubunkin goldfish survive outdoors in a 9’x11’ that’s 3 feet deep over winter in zone 7? Great video! ❤️
Hi Elizabeth, thank you! I don't have personal experience with keeping fish in these temperatures, but from what I understand, goldfish can survive below freezing temps as long as the water quality is still good and they receive plenty of oxygen and of course the pond shouldn't completely freeze. I believe in zone 7 goldfish will most likely go into hibernation and during the months leading up to winter they should be well fed. If the goldfish themselves freeze, they will not survive. If a layer of ice forms you will probably need a pond heater or de-icer to keep an opening in the ice to allow gas exchange. Hope that helps!
Tobias Holenstein , thanks so much!
I won a comet goldfish at a fair six years ago. I put him in a thirty gallon tank with a filter for seventy gallons and does fine. I think ten years is not out of the question if you clean the tank well. It's been over five years so they can thrive in a tank longer for sure.
Yeah it sounds like you have a good setup for yours so it will probably do well
Hi
Will my 2 shubumkins out swim my 2 goldfish for food in their pond
Great video very informative
Hi Lorraine, I would only worry about that if your goldfish are fancy goldfish. If not I think they should be fine
To this say I will never forget my kindergarten teacher asking me "What's a shubunkin?" After I told her I had one.
I have two Bristol shununkin I thought they were fantail, thank you
Nice! Bristols are so cool!
One thing you missed in koi vs shubunkin: koi are designed to be viewed from the top, shubunkins from the side, making koi better for ponds and shubunkins for large aquariums.
That's such bullshit lol..
This crap funny and Interesting
Thank you! Haha
Can you breed a comet goldfish with a shubunkin goldfish ?
Pls make video on gender identify of shuarkin gold fish
How do I know if my shibunkins and koi are spawning?
If you see them chasing each other around the pond, that is usually a sign that they are spawning
@@TobiasHolenstein thank you !! They had a funny smell to their pond so I changed out half the water yesterday. They seem happy, I’ve had them for a few years and am good at keeping things clean for them. Is a funny smell another sign they’re spawning?
Can you please do a video about the birds and the bees?
Haha great idea!
I know that they’re the same species... that the difference is just color and fin length. However time and time again have shown that I think shubunkins are slightly more vulnerable than commons and comets in terms of immune system. Idk when theres an outbreak its always the shubunkins that go first
Btw I LOVE YOUR FISH! Those fat commons and shubunkins are adorable 😍
Some people can confuse between sarasa comet (single tailed type) and red cap oranda (double tailed type)
That's true!
In here, we just literally call either Comet Goldfish or Shubunkin as Shubunkin or "Shobon" since they are similar in appearances but different in colors.
Anyway, you're well informed about this, so thank you very much.
Interesting! Thank you for the info 🙂
and you're welcome! I'm glad you liked the video!
Makes me mad one see them in a tiny tank. Sure if start them in minimum tank then get them in a bigger one or a pond later on. Some people don't realize they can live for just as long as a dog 😆. Wonder if just turn my pool into a pond.
I have heard of some people turning their pools into ponds haha
I have 3 shubunkin and 2 fancy in 15 gal but dont worry i will upgrade soon
I just rescued a goldfish from a pond outside my work. We put chlorine the pond so it wasn't safe. I bought a 50 gallon tank for my fish. I named him Bobby! Now I know that Bobby is a common goldfish and despite the name common, Bobby is a beautiful fish!
How Manny,i can put in a 75 gls?
I would say you could probably do like 5 pretty comfortably
@@TobiasHolenstein i just got 8 babies!! You think that's to much?
@@kusuko..scla..213 When they are small it's totally fine, but I guess you'll just have to see when they are bigger in a few years
I didn't know I had a sarasa I just knew it had an orange forhead
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Please make video on if we can keep comet and common goldfish with fancy goldfish if yes then please describe all other fancy goldfish suitable with comet and common goldfish. Thank you
Verry informative! Thanks for that.
Btw you might want to check my upcomming video on wensday. It might help you with the pool pond in te future. Take care bro! Love the vids...
Thank you bro! I'll definitely check out your video on Wednesday :)
white mind is white now turn pink
@@laurenmcgrady8546 I'm sory I don't get what you mean. White what and then pink what. Is that a saying? I'm Dutch so ...
O an nice pond bro
Thanks so much dude!
You're very funny lol
Thank you hehe 😅
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My shubunkin passed away a few days ago and now my comet is lonely 😔
So sorry to hear that 🙏
I'm pretty sure that big one with a long flowing tail is a koi. it's easy to identify because of the barbels and a noticeable more downward angled mouth which goldfish do not have. Unles ofcourse if its a cross of a koi and a shibunkin goldfish(which people actually does and is possible).
Yeah the biggest one in my pond, which has the orange black and white coloring, is a butterfly koi. The smaller medium sized one with the calico coloring is a shubunkin
I had a shubunkin goldfish when I was a kid. I won her from the fair, I thought she wasn't going to get that big but man she grew fast. Lol she was beautiful and I named her angel. She lived for 6 years (she died when her water was changed half hazardly) and I cried like a baby when she did die. It took years for me to get another fish after that. I then got a beta I named hydro who was stolen.. like who steals a beta fish?? He was stunning too so I guess thats why..
We miss out Shubi!!! It's what we named our shubunkin goldfish! He grew from 2 inches to about 6 inches in our pond, he died I guess from the Pleco we had or some illness? We have no reason why, he was just gone! We miss him so much, but not sure if we want to try and get another one........................
Sorry about your shubunkin! I've never personally experienced this, but I have seen other people online say that plecos have been known to suck onto goldfish to try to suck their slime coat. Not sure if that's what happened to yours, but that's what it reminded me of
@@TobiasHolenstein thanks, possibly, one of the other comet Goldfish that lives peacefully with the Pleco current was bird injured (we moved the pond and everyone is safe from them now), and I do see a few marks on her but nothing devastating like Pleco eating away at her coat, and I try and give Pleco lots to eat too, it will always be a mystery but possible, again great video!
I love the shabunkin ❤️
Me too!
I’ve just cycled my pond and got 3 shabunkin and 3 comets I can’t wait till they grow. The are both about 2-3 inches at the minute
@@vikkitee4686 Awesome! Yeah in a few years they will be pretty big!
My comet goldfish is currently 11 years old about 12inches and in aquarium
Wow that's really good. What size of aquarium do you have?
@@TobiasHolenstein 90 gallon plus it has plants and two filters
@@futuredog1084 Ah ok, that's a good size tank 👍
@@TobiasHolenstein I have other fish in there but there smaller and some temprate fish ( in-between cold water and tropical) I have two other goldfish in there also a black moor who's 7 years old and about 7-8 inches and a stunted rescue koi/goldfish who is only 6 inches but apparently 15-20 years old
The koi in the chain stores are always culls. Very low quality but that being said, i found a beautiful one there. But i usually see koi with kinks at those stores :(
Yeah I imagine they sell the really nice ones for a lot elsewhere
@@TobiasHolenstein yeah the breeders get first picks for the EXPENSIVE perfect marked ones. Resellers are next in lines for pricey pets and then culls are sold to chain stores
@@high_fructose_corn_syrup Ah ok I see. Makes sense I guess
Immediately after asking the question my best guess so far is the American Japanese ones
You are right 😄