Who would have thought at the beginning of the year that Birds of Prey would flop and Bad Boys for Life and Sonic the Hedgehog would be the most successful movies this year(so far)
@Galva Tron how does hating on a movie makes you a "Fan"???? do you realize all the cast is married/dating men. they were fighting criminals in Gotham they're aren't supposed to be good men dummy.
@@noork5782 All of the cops were bad too. The ones that weren't cops or criminals were also bad. Yes it is Gotham but that doesn't mean every male character should be a misogynistic moronic strawman. The women of the cast marrying/dating men has nothing to do with anything.
@@noork5782 - Hot take, maybe no one really cares about Black Canary and Huntress. Maybe Warner Brothers isn't as talented as Marvel/Disney in _making_ people care à la Guardians of the Galaxy. Maybe, just maybe, we should've gotten the movie everyone wanted, but was canned for an actress' ego. Maybe, Gotham City Sirens wouldn't have flopped this hard. ... or maybe it would have. If Suicide Squad is anything to go by, these people have no clue how to make a team of villains enjoyable without nerfing them. I mean, non-lethal rounds? Seriously? No, no, I'm genuinely terrified. No on mess with Harley, guys. She'll shoot confetti at you.
@@noork5782 Hating the movie that came after the terrible movie Suicide Squad that shat on the fans doesn't really make the fans not a fan. I get that this movie is better but so was Lolita which isn't saying much.
Strange that Grace didn't mention the fact that the studio remade Sonic influenced more people to see the film. I think that was a huge factor in the movie's success and very interesting as to how a studio listening to fans can be greatly rewarded. That deserves more discussion if not it's own video.
Yeah, definitely. Fans rallied around Sonic as soon as the studio announced that they were improving his look. The movie has had incredible word-of-mouth advertising for that reason alone.
I agree. When the Sonic movie completely redid the look of Sonic in response to Fan feedback, it showed tremendous respect for their customers and earned a lot of interest and loyalty.
Ironically, sonic was originally supposed to come out on me and my girlfriend's 3rd anniversary, but then it got pushed back, even more ironically, to valentine's day, so we still got to see it together as a couple 👍👌💖 shes a huge sonic super fan so it all worked out!!
True. People can see based on who is in it and what type of film genre it is whether it's for them or not. Like I don't go see films that are period pieces set in Europe because I'm of African descent. Those films aren't for my demographic and it would be weird if the marketing and promotion pander to black people.
Blaming the R-rating is a cop-out, people would have seen a R Rated BOP film. The problem was the off putting aesthetics, the terrible marketing, and the fact that it really wasn't a BOP film.
People turning out has become a politicized movement of sorts... to send a message to Hollywood, if you listen to fans, we will reward you with a ticket purchase... even if we think the movie may be shit...which a lot of people thought before going in and being pleasantly surprised
Hugo Selce that could’ve been implied. That also felt incredibly out of place given the rest of the movies tone and violence level. Going all Ramsey Snow on a defenseless whimpering young girl is exactly the kind of thing that gets flagged as exploitation in “bro movies”.
The amount of excuses made for Birds or Prey is exactly why no one will learn their lesson. Birds of Prey was dead on arrival because it insulted the fans and the material. The Birds deserve better and stop blaming the fact that Birds was a female led film for why it's underperforming. The excuse is tired and simply not true.
@@reallygreat2930 t It's one thing to have a message, it's another thing entirely to preach on your potential audience. Diana aka as Wonder Woman, actually came from a culture predicated on the superiority of females, and still didn't come off as antagonistic towards men as the first trailer of BOP did.
@@christopherlabianca9505 to be far that was in between the highest grossing movie of all time and john wick so im not surprised it didn't fly as high as it could have
I dreamed I was in an alternative Universe where Sonic got great reviews and a great opening at the Box Office while Birds of Prey flopped...oh wait...
I just checked the tomato score and on average between the Audience and Critic reviews; Sonic is doing way better. Also consider birds of prey has been out LONGER and is barely above Sonic.
Jim Carrey's performance just signifies how much he still has it in that genre of comedy. I would love to see in Ace Ventura sequel. Even better the mask sequel that we never got. Now would be a perfect time for a mask sequel
Dude, I would LOVE to see an Ace Ventura 3! The first two are just hilarious! Better yet, here's a thought: Have Jim Carrey, Will Ferrell, and Adam Sandler as the three leads in a comedy film directed by Lord & Miller! BAM!
@@jesusvalle2685 I'll love to make that bet with you. Trending means nothing. It'll make around 8 million next week in the US. It dropped big time international. BOP will be lucky to be at 180 million worldwide at the end of next week.
Separating Harley from Joker this soon in this in the franchise just wasn’t a good move. Harley just isn’t strong enough to carry a whole film. They should have paired her with Deadshot because the two had a really strong connection in the prior film.
Exactly my thinking. I think they jumped the gun, and believed she was more popular than she actually is. I never cared for her character except when she was with the Joker, because I was either amused by her antics or sympathetic with her. On her own, her character makes little sense to me, as she seems more like a villain of the week type of character. I think they should have done at least 2 more Batman movies with her and the Joker, fleshing her character out along the way before giving her a movie. Plus they should have put her with a proper team.
I was too soon to separate harley from joker, nobody knows who the birds of prey are, and harley was never part of the birds of prey she was part of the gotham city sirens among with poison ivy
Mark Pyro not even the joker, just the sirens themselves are popular. Margot made the mistake of making it all about her. Harley, Ivy and Catwoman are all so different so there would’ve been a character for everyone to enjoy
@@therandomhorse66 sure, unless they market them the exact same way they did with BoP. Lets be honest, Ivy and Catwoman are entirely based on the dreaded "male gaze." Thats at least half their appeal.
I think Mad Love would have been a great movie for Valentine's day. I know people hate Leto's joker, but it would've been great to see them together for at least a movie and then have them break up at the end or in the next movie.
@@jacobrickayzen2744 I have, it was definitely a different experience. We rarely have subtitled non English movies at my locals. It was a definite change.
Sonic decided to be a family friendly movie. Birds of Prey was made into a vehicle to bash on men. That's the difference. The R rating did not help BOP, but the main thing is still the man-bashing image.
Deadpool was originally just meant to be a deathstroke spoof and look where he is! Characters evolve and become more overtime, and harley has certainly risen to a lead role.
I don't think moving birds up to Valentine's day would of made much of a difference if audiences had an appetite fot it, it would of had a better hold for the second weekend.
Andrew187 it was a well made family film going up against an R rated movie with no word of mouth. That’s the reality. I don’t see that as humiliating, but hey if you do, awesome
I honestly saw specifically because I wanted to support their decision to redo the animation. I'm sure it was hard work and I wanted them to feel rewarded for doing so. He looked perfect in the film. I also wanted to make sure none of my money went to Birds of Prey :P Vote with your wallet.
It feels like the people at Marvel and Sonic want to make films that do their best to honor the characters. Birds Of Prey was fun IMO, but felt like it was what the filmmakers wanted to make over actually translating the character.
Yeah I think Marvel has done better sticking with the comics and having only minor changes. DC to me, seems like they are trying new things with the characters each time and need to stick more to the tried and true story-lines in the comics.
I'm still very salty that they wasted the birds of prey for a poorly made Harley Quinn movie. Especially Cassandra Cain, or whoever the hell that character was supposed to be.
I'm so happy for SONIC, it deserves all the success because it was genuinely fun. As for 'Birds of Prey' I don't care, they smh thought it would be the next 'Joker' box-office-wise.
@@patax144 - With a competent script writer, it could have amazing too. Either being plot focused and juggling two antagonists, both the Joker and Batman. Or being character focused and diving deeply into the its three stars instead a mess of five (well, one and four halves).
@@GoodGuyNickPT Well, she wanted more Harley Quinn, and it was obvious from Suicide Squad that a lot of people did, but they didn't do a good job at balancing more Harley with added characters. That's not even the beginning for why it's doing so poorly though.
I haven’t watched your videos in a few years. UA-cam stoped putting you in my recommendation. You were awesome back then and somehow you have gotten soooooooo much better. I’m forcing UA-cam to start recommending you again by binging your recent videos!! You are awesome.
Agree. I want to see that movie, but there's this uncanny valley effect in the trailers that for whatever reason I can't get over. We'll see next weekend how everyone feels about watching that movie.
What a shame about Gotham City Sirens. I can't imagine the WB will be willing to support such a project, Variety also alluded to this noting AT&T is losing patience with WBs misfires after a number of less than successful efforts in 2019. The Harley Quinn tv show isn't getting enough (or any!!) attention, it is excellent.
I've seen that trailer for what feels like a millions times. I always assume people who watch these videos go to the theatre frequently. It looks very low budget, so they don't have money to burn on media buying; but the trailer has been attached to almost every movie I've seen since the year started.
I don't know if I'd lump in Oceans 8. Yes, female led movie, but I thought it was pretty good, made $300M on a $70M budget, so close to 4.5X budget (Original made a little over 5X). Some of the other ones barely got to 2X.
@Galva Tron Based on the rough criteria that 3X budget is break even, it made $90M in profit. You have an odd definition of "flop". The others were flops, which for me means lost money or struggled to break even. Not calling it Oscar worthy or anything.
It wasn't a flop, but it underperformed compared to the others Ocean films. If a movie doesn't at least match the previous one performance Hollywood is unsure about sequels, because it's shows a downward trend and the possible next movie could flop hard (it not the same situation but look at the Alice on Wonderland from Disney, first one made a billion, people were curious, it sucked, the sequel lost hundreds of millions).
If they added in the joker and harley terrorizing Gotham and then they break up which gives Harley the realization that she needs the Joker for his protection. It would have been a toxic relationship to see.
Birds of prey was clearly fell like a TV series instead. The way production execution with very little to unknown so call "Diverse" Actors was really a let down. So does with the story, and as grace point out lack of strong male character/supporting character. I believe that's all the factors for that.
PlatinumDiva hey! I'm really on the fence about seeing The Photograph.... I'd like to support Lakeith but... I dunno about the plot.... The trailer always leaves me feeling like, "That's a romance movie we've seen before." I just wonder if this story has anything fresh to it?
Most people will like it if they actually watch it. All I could think while I was watching Fantasy Island on V-day was that all these people should be watching Birds of Prey instead.
Lack of strong male characters is minor in the reason those movies fail, the main reason is the anti male marketing and elements that these movies cant seem to get away from.
*Birds of Prey will need a huge miracle to make $300 mil worldwide. I don't see it happening. There's already a Black Canary show on the CW. Literally two of them on that show.*
Great in-depth analysis of the parfect storm that landed the Bird & propelled the hedgehog. This was above and beyond other movie reviewers went, Thanks Grace 👏 🤘
given his antics and later attitude, i dare say he screwed himself more than a little bit, too, not to mention so many fans hated his interpretation. but, having him be in *this* movie and him hit her, like we saw in on-set stills from SS's production, that would have worked really well given the rating. i mean, you make a movie R rated *for* that kind of content.
This is not at all the sort of content that I would usually consume but you are a consummate professional with great industry knowledge and I respect greatness and competence in any arena; even those I mostly despise.
I already knew it was going to flop, I just felt it in my bones. I heard from my various nephews and nieces that they loved Sonic and their parents loved it too
I wish DC would focus more on what the fans want, like Superman and green lantern. Instead we have Harley Quinn at the center of it all. Im grateful we have her but it's going to be almost 3 films we see her and yet DC can't give a damn about what the fans want. Let the box office numbers be a lesson for them.
Imo the biggest mistake they made with BoP was focusing on Harley Quinn. Batgirl/Oracle is a more well known character with wider appeal and is the leader of the group in the comics. If they had got a big name to play Batgirl and put HQ into more of a supporting role, possibly with a subplot between them regarding Joker paralyzing Batgirl in the past and HQs relationship with him at the time, then I think the movie would have done a lot better.
It’s not Sunday without my Movie Math video. Thanks Grace! Another great breakdown of the industry. I just wish the actual industry leads would listen to you more carefully!
Who would have thought at the beginning of the year that Birds of Prey would flop and Bad Boys for Life and Sonic the Hedgehog would be the most successful movies this year(so far)
everyone who saw the hate BOP was getting before the first trailer even came out
@Galva Tron how does hating on a movie makes you a "Fan"???? do you realize all the cast is married/dating men. they were fighting criminals in Gotham they're aren't supposed to be good men dummy.
@@noork5782 All of the cops were bad too. The ones that weren't cops or criminals were also bad.
Yes it is Gotham but that doesn't mean every male character should be a misogynistic moronic strawman.
The women of the cast marrying/dating men has nothing to do with anything.
@@noork5782 - Hot take, maybe no one really cares about Black Canary and Huntress. Maybe Warner Brothers isn't as talented as Marvel/Disney in _making_ people care à la Guardians of the Galaxy. Maybe, just maybe, we should've gotten the movie everyone wanted, but was canned for an actress' ego. Maybe, Gotham City Sirens wouldn't have flopped this hard.
... or maybe it would have. If Suicide Squad is anything to go by, these people have no clue how to make a team of villains enjoyable without nerfing them. I mean, non-lethal rounds? Seriously? No, no, I'm genuinely terrified. No on mess with Harley, guys. She'll shoot confetti at you.
@@noork5782 Hating the movie that came after the terrible movie Suicide Squad that shat on the fans doesn't really make the fans not a fan. I get that this movie is better but so was Lolita which isn't saying much.
Strange that Grace didn't mention the fact that the studio remade Sonic influenced more people to see the film. I think that was a huge factor in the movie's success and very interesting as to how a studio listening to fans can be greatly rewarded. That deserves more discussion if not it's own video.
Yeah, definitely. Fans rallied around Sonic as soon as the studio announced that they were improving his look. The movie has had incredible word-of-mouth advertising for that reason alone.
She mentioned it in her review tho!
I agree. When the Sonic movie completely redid the look of Sonic in response to Fan feedback, it showed tremendous respect for their customers and earned a lot of interest and loyalty.
She kind of does.
She alludes to WB not listening to fans, while the producers of Sonic did
Ironically, sonic was originally supposed to come out on me and my girlfriend's 3rd anniversary, but then it got pushed back, even more ironically, to valentine's day, so we still got to see it together as a couple 👍👌💖 shes a huge sonic super fan so it all worked out!!
It was meant to be!!!
Cool lol
Thats dope
Aww good for you!!
@@BeyondTheTrailer it really was! 😁👍
Maybe the studios should start to learn that the "If you are a _______, then this movie is not for you " style of marketing simply doesn't work.
True. People can see based on who is in it and what type of film genre it is whether it's for them or not. Like I don't go see films that are period pieces set in Europe because I'm of African descent. Those films aren't for my demographic and it would be weird if the marketing and promotion pander to black people.
Deadpool: Here's to you, Mr. Hedgehog.
Harry Hart: Agreed, cheers.
Sonic the Hedgehog: This sounds like a start of a franchise.
I love the Kingsman movies, I'm excited for the prequel
My applauses to it
Super Smash Bros!
When Sonic was looking at his picture of the mushroom planet I was dead set that it was gonna be Mario mushroom kingdom
Chief Smakaho
Just the Mushroom 🍄 planet. MARIO is NBCUniversal.
Hedgehog Preys On Bird. 😂
Blaming the R-rating is a cop-out, people would have seen a R Rated BOP film. The problem was the off putting aesthetics, the terrible marketing, and the fact that it really wasn't a BOP film.
As far as i understood there are many Young Harley fand that couldn't watch the movie
@@rimosabysswalker3206 Harley shouldn't have underage fans anyway. She is overly sexualized, crazy, evil and and a very very bad example.
Plus the awful story didn't help. If the story and character development was any good word of mouth would have propped it up in ticket sales...
@@rimosabysswalker3206 lol do you really believe that? 🤦
@@hectorfrausto9705 nice watch
Cant believe that birds of prey was renamed into, Harley quinn:Birds of prey
technically it’s only got that name in cinemas to ease ticket sales, it hasn’t actually been re-titled
A flop is still a flop, it doesn't matter if the name has been changed
@kishenkoolskills90 They thought it would be the next 'Joker' lol
The smith and carney family didn’t even help. Just wait, I bet they’ll rename it again to “JOKER’s Ex: Harley Quinn “
DESPERATION !!!
Who thought that sonic the hedgehog would perform better than detective pickatchu?
Me it's awesome Sonic is becoming a popular franchise again and in Movie Universe?! It's good for the character
Not that surprising, both are iconic characters
BOP hold outs helped Sonic BO
I did
People turning out has become a politicized movement of sorts... to send a message to Hollywood, if you listen to fans, we will reward you with a ticket purchase... even if we think the movie may be shit...which a lot of people thought before going in and being pleasantly surprised
Valentines is not only about love but also friendship which was the message in Sonic, friendships.
Rated R for “really should’ve made this pg-13”
Agreed
The F bombs felt forced, and the violence wasnt that bad...absolute no reason for the R rating
I cant believe it was an R rating, like wth!!
I mean they couldn’t do the skinning of the faces though
Hugo Selce that could’ve been implied. That also felt incredibly out of place given the rest of the movies tone and violence level. Going all Ramsey Snow on a defenseless whimpering young girl is exactly the kind of thing that gets flagged as exploitation in “bro movies”.
The amount of excuses made for Birds or Prey is exactly why no one will learn their lesson. Birds of Prey was dead on arrival because it insulted the fans and the material. The Birds deserve better and stop blaming the fact that Birds was a female led film for why it's underperforming. The excuse is tired and simply not true.
“Bond had to move to April which is an odd date for a blockbuster movie.” The Avengers would like to have a word with you.
infinity war and endgame came out in the last weekend of april, basically kicking off the summer movie season
Don't forget the Fast and Furious franchise
"Our movies arent for men"
"Men, why arent you going to our movies?!"
65%+ of audience goers to BoP were men.
"Y u no go see queef movi, mail?"
If they made it for women, then you mean why no ladies show up?
I didn’t hear any from the actors or directors that it’s not for men,did they really say that?or just the haters?
@@reallygreat2930 t
It's one thing to have a message, it's another thing entirely to preach on your potential audience.
Diana aka as Wonder Woman, actually came from a culture predicated on the superiority of females, and still didn't come off as antagonistic towards men as the first trailer of BOP did.
I don't know if it needs strong male, just not advertised as "This movie isn't for you."
Agreed
Amen to That! Look at Wonder Woman and Alita Battle Angel.
@@OCON06 😆 Wonder Woman had and has a strong male lead.
@Luis Martinez no it didn't
Yes it did.
Sonic the Hedgehog has earned 68 millions in its opening week
^
Not full week bro, 68 mil$ on its first 4 days, Mon/tue/wed/thu still to go.
That's a lot of gold rings
Sonic the hedgehog ran laps around Harley Quinn and the birds of prey.
That's not saying much both are trash
Detective Pikachi it’s the better movie
@@christopherlabianca9505 to be far that was in between the highest grossing movie of all time and john wick so im not surprised it didn't fly as high as it could have
@@user-pd9oi5hi1d actually no sonic is more entertaining as a movie and the audience scores along with BO is proof of that
I dreamed I was in an alternative Universe where Sonic got great reviews and a great opening at the Box Office while Birds of Prey flopped...oh wait...
Birds of prey has a higher rotten tomato score than sonic...
I just checked the tomato score and on average between the Audience and Critic reviews; Sonic is doing way better. Also consider birds of prey has been out LONGER and is barely above Sonic.
@@apigeon2212 I think he meant fan score, because that's the only ones that matter
Daisy Starr Yes the audience score is better but birds of prey has a better critic score.
@@williamhammer9649 Rotten Tomatoes probably modified the score of the movie.
Jim Carrey's performance just signifies how much he still has it in that genre of comedy. I would love to see in Ace Ventura sequel. Even better the mask sequel that we never got. Now would be a perfect time for a mask sequel
Dude, I would LOVE to see an Ace Ventura 3! The first two are just hilarious!
Better yet, here's a thought: Have Jim Carrey, Will Ferrell, and Adam Sandler as the three leads in a comedy film directed by Lord & Miller! BAM!
@@jairbear619 Sign me up!, That combo, with Lord and Miller, will definitely rise up Will Ferrell and Adam Sandler's reputation
@@Merdicano Agreed!
There are actually two sequels to The Mask, different cast though. And at least one cartoon
Make a The Mask/Les Grossman crossover. This is the time.
instead of getting a hashtag to trend. they should have gone and seen the movie again, but even that wont save it.
Haha Haha so true
well unfortunately its far from a flop but underperformed instead. I think it will hit 200 mill by end of next week especially now that its trending.
@@jesusvalle2685 I'll love to make that bet with you. Trending means nothing. It'll make around 8 million next week in the US. It dropped big time international. BOP will be lucky to be at 180 million worldwide at the end of next week.
Tommy ATL90 those are my personal predictions. If u don’t agree with it then it’s fine. You can think what you want.
@@tommyatl9043 I Agree with your numbers
Separating Harley from Joker this soon in this in the franchise just wasn’t a good move. Harley just isn’t strong enough to carry a whole film. They should have paired her with Deadshot because the two had a really strong connection in the prior film.
Exactly my thinking. I think they jumped the gun, and believed she was more popular than she actually is. I never cared for her character except when she was with the Joker, because I was either amused by her antics or sympathetic with her. On her own, her character makes little sense to me, as she seems more like a villain of the week type of character. I think they should have done at least 2 more Batman movies with her and the Joker, fleshing her character out along the way before giving her a movie. Plus they should have put her with a proper team.
Good point
I was too soon to separate harley from joker, nobody knows who the birds of prey are, and harley was never part of the birds of prey she was part of the gotham city sirens among with poison ivy
A Gotham City Sirens movie for Valentines day would’ve made crazy amounts of money
A Gotham City Sirens movie with the Joker as the main villian would have been very successful.
Mark Pyro not even the joker, just the sirens themselves are popular. Margot made the mistake of making it all about her. Harley, Ivy and Catwoman are all so different so there would’ve been a character for everyone to enjoy
Ah yes, nothing says Valentine's date like fighting the patriarchy, "Diversity" and all around anti-men sentiment.
Galva Tron Men love Ivy and Catwoman, it would be a very different story to how this played out
@@therandomhorse66 sure, unless they market them the exact same way they did with BoP.
Lets be honest, Ivy and Catwoman are entirely based on the dreaded "male gaze." Thats at least half their appeal.
James Marsden gets no love..only sonic and Jim..lol!
P Alexander The Great him and the lady were charming
@@pyrobison2002 agreed. I love Tika Sumpter
The problem with "The King's Man," is that it looks like "1917."
That's a problem?
maybe but given the franchise its apart of its more of a fun popcorn type than a cinematic piece
@@JB-1138
Yes, because people aren't going to watch a movie they think they already saw.
Lol. Why you say? Because it's set in the past and that there are no non white people in it?
"Go out with your friends."
Me: Friends? What is that, does it taste good with mustard?
Yeah, sure, I will get some friends, but you didn't answer my question.
Does it taste good with mustard? I like mustard.
@@NcrXnbi yes.
I think Mad Love would have been a great movie for Valentine's day. I know people hate Leto's joker, but it would've been great to see them together for at least a movie and then have them break up at the end or in the next movie.
God no, anything connected to Suicide Squad needs to be dissolved in bleach and forgotten.
@@bloodcottoncandy like Birds of prey?
@@rimosabysswalker3206 Exactly Birds of Prey.
Just fire everybody and recast every role.
@@nox5555 YEEEESSSSSSS
I love Movie Math, it always makes my Sunday
Parasite actually started showing up around me because of the Oscar.
parasite is overrated as F
@@saphi20 totally agree!!
@@saphi20 whattt, parasite is amazing, let me guess your a american who is salty bcuz joker didnt win
Diego personally loved it. Have u seen it? Just wondering.
@@jacobrickayzen2744 I have, it was definitely a different experience. We rarely have subtitled non English movies at my locals. It was a definite change.
The problem with making Birds of Prey a HQ/Joker relationship film for Valentines was that no one ever wants to see Jared Leto's Joker again.
Sonic decided to be a family friendly movie.
Birds of Prey was made into a vehicle to bash on men.
That's the difference. The R rating did not help BOP, but the main thing is still the man-bashing image.
I like the Holly Qiun character best in a supporting role.
That's the role the character was created for.
Deadpool was originally just meant to be a deathstroke spoof and look where he is! Characters evolve and become more overtime, and harley has certainly risen to a lead role.
The character wasn’t even a good creative character who wasn’t even unique they copied from Pirates Caribbean and Deadpool
The Rock be like "I'll now make 10 more Jumanji sequels" 🤭
I don't think moving birds up to Valentine's day would of made much of a difference if audiences had an appetite fot it, it would of had a better hold for the second weekend.
Good point
There's no need to make excuses for this movie anymore, Grace. BoP is DOA.
Yep. Over as soon as it started, or before that actually.
Well before! Just looking a the source material so irrespected
Let’s have a Valentine’s Day movie about Harley Quinn.... not being with Joker.
Fire whoever came up with that terrific idea.
I watched both Sonic and Birds of Prey and thought they were both pretty good movies.
I have never seen a naked mexican birds of prey is what you called the definition of trash
@@gokuultrainstinct908 it was a pretty good movie.... I don't see why it's getting hate? Maybe cause it has an all female cast? Lol
Cool
BoP was...watchable, but Sonic was actually pretty good. In my opinion.
@Galva Tron I was joking 😂 you're such a clown
If I had a drink for every time I heard "Valentines day," I would be an alcoholic
it was called Birds of Prey cause it’s at the bottom of the box office chain
A BoP movie losing to a Sonic movie is like a Batman movie losing to a Mario movie. There's no way to look at this as anything other than humiliating.
well yes but no
Andrew187 actually it’s not
@@oscarmike1131 Actually, it is.
@@bluerocket5127 Well yes, but yes.
Andrew187 it was a well made family film going up against an R rated movie with no word of mouth. That’s the reality. I don’t see that as humiliating, but hey if you do, awesome
I need a "you're too slow" gif for Birds of Prey.
You cold blooded for that LOL HAHAHHAAA
How about the "Too slow" from Furious 7?
got out ran hard af by a blue hedgehog
*in an extremely handsome package*
I'll be there when flash makes more money in 3 days than sonic will do in its lifetime
@@saketadarsh7606 then you'll never be there lol theres no way in hell the flash will pull that kinda numbers on an opening weekend
Btw sonic movie is also a romance since one of the main points is the relationship between the main human cast.
the no homo bro luv to be exact it dont get that much attention in these romance flicks
I honestly saw specifically because I wanted to support their decision to redo the animation. I'm sure it was hard work and I wanted them to feel rewarded for doing so. He looked perfect in the film.
I also wanted to make sure none of my money went to Birds of Prey :P
Vote with your wallet.
It feels like the people at Marvel and Sonic want to make films that do their best to honor the characters. Birds Of Prey was fun IMO, but felt like it was what the filmmakers wanted to make over actually translating the character.
Yeah I think Marvel has done better sticking with the comics and having only minor changes. DC to me, seems like they are trying new things with the characters each time and need to stick more to the tried and true story-lines in the comics.
Marvel and Sonic dont hate their audiences...like BoP.
I'm still very salty that they wasted the birds of prey for a poorly made Harley Quinn movie. Especially Cassandra Cain, or whoever the hell that character was supposed to be.
I'm so happy for SONIC, it deserves all the success because it was genuinely fun.
As for 'Birds of Prey' I don't care, they smh thought it would be the next 'Joker' box-office-wise.
Chop Suey. Yup Sonic was such a fun movie and BOP movie was just such garbage.
Ik
we need poison ivy, she can be just as popular as harley, and i’m also excited for catwoman, they can make quite the team. ❤️🖤💚
I think BOP should have been a GCS movie since the begining as I think it would have worked so much better that way
@@patax144 - With a competent script writer, it could have amazing too. Either being plot focused and juggling two antagonists, both the Joker and Batman. Or being character focused and diving deeply into the its three stars instead a mess of five (well, one and four halves).
That's exactly why Margot Robbie didn't want her in the movie and did BoP instead. So she could be the center of attention.
@@GoodGuyNickPT Well, she wanted more Harley Quinn, and it was obvious from Suicide Squad that a lot of people did, but they didn't do a good job at balancing more Harley with added characters. That's not even the beginning for why it's doing so poorly though.
How would you feel about Emma Stone as ivy?
Just got on break in the Canada Pavillion in EPCOT and now I’m watching my favorite video of the week! 🌟
SONIC being a hit opens up Sega to get in the movie game. Shinobi must be made!!!!
I demand a persona movie!
Not making a Comix Zone adaptation now just doesnt make sense.
I haven’t watched your videos in a few years. UA-cam stoped putting you in my recommendation. You were awesome back then and somehow you have gotten soooooooo much better. I’m forcing UA-cam to start recommending you again by binging your recent videos!! You are awesome.
Imagine a streets of rage movie
The soundtrack for that game is soooooo goooood. Got all 3 on xbox 360 🤗🤗🤗
Same thing I thought. That opening montage of Sega games got me feelin.
As much as I would love a Legend of Zelda movie, I'm still scared that it'll end up like the Mario Bros movie
I'm just waiting for Street of Rage 4 to come out.
Or Golden Axe 🤷♂️
'Call of the Wild' it seems to me that someone needed to work more on those VFX on those dogs; just saying.
Agree. I want to see that movie, but there's this uncanny valley effect in the trailers that for whatever reason I can't get over. We'll see next weekend how everyone feels about watching that movie.
GOLD RINGS, GRACE! NOT COINS! GOLD RINGS!!!! RIIIIIIINGS!!!!!!!!
Coins is Mario thing 🤦♀️
Grace did say she didn’t play Sonic games and it shows 🤦♂️
I’m so HAPPY to see my boy Sonic doing so well ! 😭😭😭😭😭
What a shame about Gotham City Sirens. I can't imagine the WB will be willing to support such a project, Variety also alluded to this noting AT&T is losing patience with WBs misfires after a number of less than successful efforts in 2019. The Harley Quinn tv show isn't getting enough (or any!!) attention, it is excellent.
It will, once DC frees it from their subpar streaming service.
Sonic is winning🔥🔥🔥
Gotta go fast gotta go fast gotta go faster faster faster SONIC X
The scriptwriters definitely watched that show when they made the movie.
Ronnie leonard 🤣😂😂😂
Grace I believe there were some mistakes on your math site. Birds of prey has made a third of its money back not half
"If you're into Birds of Prey" (throws up in mouth a little) lol
It’s almost as if listening to fans pays off.
The Man shocking, positively shocking
We want a Sonic sequel! To hell with the birds we want the flying two Tails fox and Knuckles!
And metal sonic for the third movie shadow
"Sonic has plenty of space to go full throttle and pick up plenty of gold coins."
Rings, Grace.... they're called rings....
Birds of Prey Stans attacked me and mentioned your name, so I’m here and have subscribed! :3
This movie should've been a prequel to Suicide Squad,
it should've been Harley's origin story...
It should have been a Harley Quinn origin story in the style of JOKER.
Nerv ClaX not everything needs to be in the style of joker...
I was just watching the harley quin show😅
It's so good!!!
Beyond The Trailer indeed
Beyond The Trailer I know 😄 thank god i’m late now i can binge the whole show
Wait Wait Wait Wait. There's going to be a The Boy II? Why is that literally the first time I hear anything about that?
I've seen that trailer for what feels like a millions times. I always assume people who watch these videos go to the theatre frequently. It looks very low budget, so they don't have money to burn on media buying; but the trailer has been attached to almost every movie I've seen since the year started.
Birds of Hedgehogs
Sonic rings on BOP chaos
Local hedgehog homing attacks flocks of birds
Hedgehogs of Prey
Instant Billion
Wow 2020 has been trash for horror movies so far.
I don't know if I'd lump in Oceans 8. Yes, female led movie, but I thought it was pretty good, made $300M on a $70M budget, so close to 4.5X budget (Original made a little over 5X). Some of the other ones barely got to 2X.
@Galva Tron it was a good movie
Exactly. It will well at the box office
@Galva Tron Based on the rough criteria that 3X budget is break even, it made $90M in profit. You have an odd definition of "flop". The others were flops, which for me means lost money or struggled to break even. Not calling it Oscar worthy or anything.
It wasn't a flop, but it underperformed compared to the others Ocean films. If a movie doesn't at least match the previous one performance Hollywood is unsure about sequels, because it's shows a downward trend and the possible next movie could flop hard (it not the same situation but look at the Alice on Wonderland from Disney, first one made a billion, people were curious, it sucked, the sequel lost hundreds of millions).
$70M budget for Ocean's 8 is crazy...I guess Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett are bigger stars than I thought.
I clicked so fast 😂 YAY SONIC!!!! 🦔💨
Hey the movie is called harley quinn: birds of prey now
Higher. Smarter. Faster 😉
After Sonic success I wanna see a good Streetfighter movie
HJL JR Yeah, I still don’t understand how they messed it up. It’s basically just Blood Sport in a video game.
Nooooo Sonic doesn't pick up coins, that's Mario! Sonic picks up golden rings! 😂
I saw Birds of Prey this weekend. It's actually a lot of fun. My wife loved it. And she loved the soundtrack.
@Galva Tron people liked the movie get over your self
A nice impartial view on the box office. Well done.
Just saw Birds of Prey this morning. I loved it, though the R rating was definately a mistake. They didn't need it.
If they added in the joker and harley terrorizing Gotham and then they break up which gives Harley the realization that she needs the Joker for his protection. It would have been a toxic relationship to see.
Grace: "...too bad it's behind a paywall!"
Translation: "this is why torrents were created people!"
UM IT'S GOLD RINGS NOT GOLD COINS!!!!
Birds of prey was clearly fell like a TV series instead. The way production execution with very little to unknown so call "Diverse" Actors was really a let down. So does with the story, and as grace point out lack of strong male character/supporting character. I believe that's all the factors for that.
Aw Grace that's so cute. You know what else would have made people want to see Birds of Prey? If it was worth buying a ticket to see!!!
I had money to spend this weekend. Holy crap, I don't know what happened.
Yay Movie Math!!!! 🤗🤗🤗 saw the Photograph and Sonic enjoyed both 🥳🥳🥳🥳
PlatinumDiva hey! I'm really on the fence about seeing The Photograph.... I'd like to support Lakeith but... I dunno about the plot.... The trailer always leaves me feeling like, "That's a romance movie we've seen before." I just wonder if this story has anything fresh to it?
Cool. I saw Sonic this weekend which I like. I will go see The Photograph next weekend :))
@@rafaelmanzo9497 it's not fresh it's just a good romantic movie I enjoyed it
I saw Birds of Prey yesterday and absolutely loved it.
Same 🤩
Most people will like it if they actually watch it. All I could think while I was watching Fantasy Island on V-day was that all these people should be watching Birds of Prey instead.
@@ruzaroos I saw BoP and regretted it. Felt like I wasted my money. Oh well. >.>
Lack of strong male characters is minor in the reason those movies fail, the main reason is the anti male marketing and elements that these movies cant seem to get away from.
I love that love hedgehog.
*Birds of Prey will need a huge miracle to make $300 mil worldwide. I don't see it happening. There's already a Black Canary show on the CW. Literally two of them on that show.*
The new blade runner was awesome
Yes
@Brainjock Absolutely.
Great in-depth analysis of the parfect storm that landed the Bird & propelled the hedgehog. This was above and beyond other movie reviewers went, Thanks Grace 👏 🤘
Jared Leto: serves you good for screwing me.
given his antics and later attitude, i dare say he screwed himself more than a little bit, too, not to mention so many fans hated his interpretation. but, having him be in *this* movie and him hit her, like we saw in on-set stills from SS's production, that would have worked really well given the rating. i mean, you make a movie R rated *for* that kind of content.
Lets just hope Morbius is good
This is not at all the sort of content that I would usually consume but you are a consummate professional with great industry knowledge and I respect greatness and competence in any arena; even those I mostly despise.
I like the character Harley Quin, but with a movie that largely portrays Men hating Women I can't see that as being a good Valentines day movie.
That's a good point.
I also think this movie proved that Harley works only in small doses.
they're fighting criminals do you expect them to be good people? do you realize the whole cast is married/dating men
@@noork5782 Last time I checked the police weren't criminals. Also what does them dating/marrying men have to do with anything?
I mean Harley done some messed up stuff to those goons while she was with Joker, of course they will want payback.
I already knew it was going to flop, I just felt it in my bones. I heard from my various nephews and nieces that they loved Sonic and their parents loved it too
Grace, I love your outfit tofay. The pink shirt with a purple/magenta lipstick! Good job
the lipstick is a pink shade not purple
I wish DC would focus more on what the fans want, like Superman and green lantern. Instead we have Harley Quinn at the center of it all. Im grateful we have her but it's going to be almost 3 films we see her and yet DC can't give a damn about what the fans want. Let the box office numbers be a lesson for them.
The Photograph was good. Hopefully Grace you can see it and review it on your channel. Force Majeure is a great film, so deep, watch it on Hulu
Imo the biggest mistake they made with BoP was focusing on Harley Quinn. Batgirl/Oracle is a more well known character with wider appeal and is the leader of the group in the comics. If they had got a big name to play Batgirl and put HQ into more of a supporting role, possibly with a subplot between them regarding Joker paralyzing Batgirl in the past and HQs relationship with him at the time, then I think the movie would have done a lot better.
Prepare yourself for Virtua Fighter: The Movie
Woo I’m holding out for Shenmue, but only if they keep the awful dialogue.
Nah Yakuza!
Virtual Fighter: The Movie The Game.
You sleep, streets of rage: the movie
Excellent in-depth report Grace!
It’s not Sunday without my Movie Math video. Thanks Grace! Another great breakdown of the industry. I just wish the actual industry leads would listen to you more carefully!
Sometimes yes, in other times I hope they don't. Grace can sometimes say BS.
New Sega movies? Incoming Bayonetta and Super Monkey Ball movies! Or better yet. Jetset Radio
Bayonetta? Yes, please.
Although it really would need a good script-writer because the game's story is a bit of a cheesy mess from what I remember.
David Marshall it’ll be a careful balance between sexy camp, simple solid writing, and giant angel monster designs. No idea who could play her though