I say that Ace Combat 7 has three flying styles at minimum. The most basic loopers, no fancy tricks just looping with high g turns. Duelists who use post-stall maneuvers and are monsters in 1v1, and finally lancers, me, best in team matches flying in an out of combat and striking slow-moving flyers who bled too much energy.
Don't give away all the secrets 😂 I can swap between three flying styles but recently I've been focusing 100% on perfecting 1v1 dog fights. Sometimes I mix all 3 together to keep the opponent guessing, especially when it comes to flying very low to the ground or using the rock formations in Yinshi Valley.
A favorite trick of mine for that map in the night is essentially a cut back drop turn, I fly with a tail to the altitude ceiling( can't fly higher, the game mechanic reverses direction) and use the mechanic to essentially reverse my direction almost instantly with all my speed to get a surprise attack. Best with few fighters in the air.
For anyone who doesn’t know post stall maneuvers. The way to engage them is below 450 in speed and lt rt ect depending on console and pull back on the moving stick
Somtimes I fire missiles not because I think I'll get a hit / kill, it's meant to keep the opponent busy / under pressure! Also depending on the parts used to enhance missiles they stay in flight and track longer, potentially surprising your target when they least expect it.
One of the things I like to do with a Rafale build I have is I’ll fire my normal missiles which have no parts on them to fake out my opponent and force them to dodge and then go in for a kill with the high capacity missiles I built so I can kill almost anything but a super plane with hp mods with 2 hits, it also will often one tap people in 4th gen aircraft that ignored the importance of hp. This has honestly made me want to get ace combat 7 for my pc so I can play it again, I 100%ed the game on my Xbox but I haven’t turned my Xbox on in over 6 months since I got my pc
Who else thinks we have enough aircraft / aircraft DLC in AC7? I personally think there is more than enough variety of planes to fly now and it's about time for some new multiplayer maps / stages at the very least. An online co-op mission mode with various objectives would be cool as well, 8 players vs AI targets. I suspect we won't get anything of the sort now for AC7, will have to wait for AC8...
yeah man i feel you, also your great at psm we will have to 1v1 soon! that su35i idk if it’s a su35 but it shreds you got try the top gun maverick f18 or f15s mtd it’s great
@@frostyxxx I really want to keep supporting AC7 it's one of my favourite games I grew up playing and I want them to do well financially so they can keep making Ace Combat games but I refuse to spend any more money on just aircraft updates! If they charge for new MP maps I'll even buy those, most of the planes I have I don't even fly and I have so many MP credits and nothing to spend them on lol it's silly. I wish they would seriously listen to feedback from the fans. I'm not that good at PSM I'm still learning lol add me if you would like to 1v1 what's your PSN?
I felt really intimidated when I started playing but I got to be pretty good at it with practice after a while. I’m definitely no where near the best but I’m good enough to put up a fight and enjoy it. You should give it a shot if you haven’t yet! 🙂
I JUST found out you can hold the targeting button to focus the camera on your target. This whole time I've been manually looking and doing everything the hard way.
Tips for anyone in multiplayer, Unless you're absolutely confident no one will third party and it's just a 1v1 between you and someone else, don't Post stall maneuver, I've tried, and I've gotten some really amazing kills by doing it, only to get shot down immediately after because I just bled all my speed
Holy shit you are online too. Even your normal turns are super fast. I only play campaign cause I git dominated online when I first got the game. And I was put off that there wasn't a huge assault mode like in assault horison where you have to sink the Carrier
love the tactic you're using on this fight! Launching missiles when you have the chance to put him under pressure and make them lose composure. Niceeeeeee!
@@republicofustio4381 Cool, Nesstark88 I do mainly special weapons disabled and 2500 limit matches. Looks like you're more skilled than me when it comes to post stalling, I'll just do my best. I'm in the UK so in terms of time zones it may be tricky to setup a time that works for both of us.
At 1:10. That was sick. I have pulled it off a few times and damn it feels good and, you know that guy is coming for you now. But he is the mouse facing a lion. He can run that's it. I hunt for players that know how to dog fight every match. Or taking the ones that try to get the ace cleaning his tail for him then pushing him to my limit playing every game mental and physical. Totally have hade burn marks on my thumbs from fighting some guys. LoneWolfpack806 is me. Anayone who wants to see if I'm lying. Bring it I'm on alot but ending up as scrap will get old after the 5th time. I just want good competition and a Yonex in-between serious and non serious matches. If it helps I'm a dude and a sweaty try hard haha
Youre jammming each others weapon engagement zones. Thats why most of your missles are not hitting. Now I can see why the flanker is good at 1 circle fighting.
No wonder why i used to get massacred online lol these guys are both really good Also, how does it look this good on PS5? I forget, was there a ps4 pro patch? Or did they update the AA? i remember it looking way worse tbh
I personally don't enjoy this kind of fight if i was the one in it, im more of a "2 circle fight" kind of pilot, but watching a 1v1 battle with PSM happening here and there is entertaining
It was one of the Erusean drones disguised as an ally fighter who blew up the president and the blame was put on Trigger. The Belkens who were secretly pulling the strings of this whole war were probably afraid of Trigger and wanted him out of the fight but it ended up having the opposite effect since he just rejoined a special force of osean air military all over again because of pretty much being a prodigy who could take victory from the jaws of defeat in every conflict he fought.
controllers is under 500km/h hold accelerate + decelerate and pull left stick down at the same time for pc under 500km/h hold 2 and 3, then release 2 and start holding W
Man I would never be able to use PSM in combat, I've tried it several times in free flight but even in campaign I am just getting headache from how confusing it is when turning the stick and camera doesn't match
You just gotta memorize how long you need to do it to end up facing the direction you want to. Can be dangerous too if you keep doing them, they can read you.
The mig 29 can't do post stall maneuvers. Many of the Suhkois can do them in a limited fashion, with the Su33, 35, and 57 I believe being able to do complete post stall maneuvers.
Hey i know im late to comment but i hope you don't mind sharing the build that u used, its perfectly fine if you dont want to share, just my build with the su-35 isnt great and im not really getting any kills i dont know what parts i should and shouldn't use for this plane
Here is what was used in the video... Light Blisk Level 2, Variable Cycle Engine Level 2, ECU Software Update Level 2 (I don't use this any more), New Flap Actuators Level 3, Multiple Enemy Detection Device [MSL] Level 2, Thrust-Adjusting Steering Device [MSL] Level 2, Auto-Strafing Machine Gun Device and High-Speed Data Link Antenna. I'm not sure what to use anymore my self I'm constantly adding and removing parts to see what works best...
When will fans of DCS realize, fans of Ace Combat are not looking for realism / the ultimate simulation of flight! Ace Combat is sci-fi / fiction, it's about creativity and imagination and asking, "what if this or that existed?" There is no need to constantly compare DCS vs Ace Combat, they are two different kinds of software, each aiming to accomplish its own specific goals and cater to very specific people, but I'm sure there are some Ace Combat fans who like DCS!
This is my old setup... Light Blisk Level 2, Variable Cycle Engine Level 2, ECU Software Update Level 2 (I don't use this any more), New Flap Actuators Level 3, Multiple Enemy Detection Device [MSL] Level 2, Thrust-Adjusting Steering Device [MSL] Level 2, Auto-Strafing Machine Gun Device and High-Speed Data Link Antenna.
@@KartikoKurnianto You're welcome. Originally it made it easier for me to execute the post stall maneuver but after a while I realized I don't need it and also I actually prefer to stall / low air speed warning a bit the ECU prevents that from happening sooner but I found I can use that dip to my advantage. It's kind of like training wheels lol
its a bit sad how arcadish is the game,yeah i know it was never mean to be a sim but,after u play something with a minim of sim u realize u cannot go back
No idea, just wanted to share the match and it blew up! It's often the videos you don't put much thought or time into that do well and the videos you want to do well, put lots of time and effort into, hardly get any views. That's UA-cam for ya 😓
the movement of the flaps for the animation is lack luster, i dont feel like im legit turning the plane, this is the only thing thats holding me back from buying the game
Looks fun but I can't stand the fact that it's in 3rd person making it way easier to see all around you and with that constant camera on enemy It's way more fun with cockpit view for me
Mano só manobra em stoll agora entendi porque sempre eu morro nesse jogo saquei agora tudo está esclarecido vou comprar o controle de caça pra fazer essas manobras fica mais fácil hihihi
It’s not a true simulator. It has a arcade type feel with all the qui😅high action dogfights but it is still a very good game to be play, especially if you put controls to expert I believe it’s called, because it gives you the more realistic type of flying controls.
1:08 that was so badass dude
If you enjoyed that then you'll enjoy this one as well from the 5 secound mark... ua-cam.com/video/TxHBg9PhqkQ/v-deo.html
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming just saw it and loved it
Holy shit That Was Tooooo Cooool
"I want to understand the enemy"
He’s the main character
I say that Ace Combat 7 has three flying styles at minimum. The most basic loopers, no fancy tricks just looping with high g turns. Duelists who use post-stall maneuvers and are monsters in 1v1, and finally lancers, me, best in team matches flying in an out of combat and striking slow-moving flyers who bled too much energy.
Don't give away all the secrets 😂 I can swap between three flying styles but recently I've been focusing 100% on perfecting 1v1 dog fights. Sometimes I mix all 3 together to keep the opponent guessing, especially when it comes to flying very low to the ground or using the rock formations in Yinshi Valley.
A favorite trick of mine for that map in the night is essentially a cut back drop turn, I fly with a tail to the altitude ceiling( can't fly higher, the game mechanic reverses direction) and use the mechanic to essentially reverse my direction almost instantly with all my speed to get a surprise attack. Best with few fighters in the air.
I can’t ever find team matches(also don’t have friends on AC7)
@@WolfBlade706 we on da same boat
@@shlap_cam23
Add me Zero1Catfish
Meanwhile from outside perspective they just looks like some leaves that flapping around and just falling from the tree together.
😅😂 That's one way of looking at it for sure lol
For anyone who doesn’t know post stall maneuvers. The way to engage them is below 450 in speed and lt rt ect depending on console and pull back on the moving stick
To add to this it doesn't matter High G turn style and you have to hold LT + RT for a second before moving the stick back.
@@gingermuffin4292 how do you control it? let go of stick when you face them?
@@bjornironsides6474 push it back down i think stops the maneuver
It also depends on the plane your using so u cant post stall maneuver an a10 bomber for example
@@thehighnote9579 only plane who have thrust vector technology
Somtimes I fire missiles not because I think I'll get a hit / kill, it's meant to keep the opponent busy / under pressure!
Also depending on the parts used to enhance missiles they stay in flight and track longer, potentially surprising your target when they least expect it.
can you upgrade parts in ac7? if so, how?
One of the things I like to do with a Rafale build I have is I’ll fire my normal missiles which have no parts on them to fake out my opponent and force them to dodge and then go in for a kill with the high capacity missiles I built so I can kill almost anything but a super plane with hp mods with 2 hits, it also will often one tap people in 4th gen aircraft that ignored the importance of hp. This has honestly made me want to get ace combat 7 for my pc so I can play it again, I 100%ed the game on my Xbox but I haven’t turned my Xbox on in over 6 months since I got my pc
@Rowdy Ace the discount on AC7 is crazy good, like 85%
@@Kevin-fj5oe on what?
@@rowdyace5719 steam
The other pilot was very good too, he managed to pull some great moves throughout the match !
Yeah he was! good fun
You fly it in such a manner that it may never be air worthy again bro
I came her after watching TopGun Maverick. The movie is damn good and I m going back playing Ace Combat 7 🦅🦅🦅
Who else thinks we have enough aircraft / aircraft DLC in AC7? I personally think there is more than enough variety of planes to fly now and it's about time for some new multiplayer maps / stages at the very least. An online co-op mission mode with various objectives would be cool as well, 8 players vs AI targets. I suspect we won't get anything of the sort now for AC7, will have to wait for AC8...
yeah man i feel you, also your great at psm we will have to 1v1 soon! that su35i idk if it’s a su35 but it shreds you got try the top gun maverick f18 or f15s mtd it’s great
@@frostyxxx I really want to keep supporting AC7 it's one of my favourite games I grew up playing and I want them to do well financially so they can keep making Ace Combat games but I refuse to spend any more money on just aircraft updates! If they charge for new MP maps I'll even buy those, most of the planes I have I don't even fly and I have so many MP credits and nothing to spend them on lol it's silly. I wish they would seriously listen to feedback from the fans. I'm not that good at PSM I'm still learning lol add me if you would like to 1v1 what's your PSN?
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming i’m not on PSN😭 i’m xbox
@@frostyxxx That's unfortunate, hopefully AC8 will have cross-play
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming yeah and you have 90 subs now :)
As much as I love Ace Combat 7, I would go insane trying to not suck at its Multiplayer.
I felt really intimidated when I started playing but I got to be pretty good at it with practice after a while. I’m definitely no where near the best but I’m good enough to put up a fight and enjoy it. You should give it a shot if you haven’t yet! 🙂
I'm the exact same, I've loved every Ace combat and now it has multiplayer I'm scared to click on it cos il get domed haha
@@mikemcwhirter3261that happened to me when i played multi for the first time. It was embarrassing. Not a live chat I wanted to be on.
I JUST found out you can hold the targeting button to focus the camera on your target. This whole time I've been manually looking and doing everything the hard way.
😅 New level unlocked 🏆
Tips for anyone in multiplayer, Unless you're absolutely confident no one will third party and it's just a 1v1 between you and someone else, don't Post stall maneuver, I've tried, and I've gotten some really amazing kills by doing it, only to get shot down immediately after because I just bled all my speed
I have never done this in combat. I only just got the knack for it now on free flight. Even then it is hit and miss
Holy shit you are online too. Even your normal turns are super fast. I only play campaign cause I git dominated online when I first got the game. And I was put off that there wasn't a huge assault mode like in assault horison where you have to sink the Carrier
love the tactic you're using on this fight! Launching missiles when you have the chance to put him under pressure and make them lose composure. Niceeeeeee!
You should fight me! I love fighting para a lot, he's getting better everytime! He's a good learner.
Sure, I'm always looking for skilled players to learn from and improve my own skills even further!!! What's your PSN?
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming slapmycupcake and im online right now with a buddy of mine, we're on Division 2.
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming what's your PSN?
@@republicofustio4381 Cool, Nesstark88 I do mainly special weapons disabled and 2500 limit matches. Looks like you're more skilled than me when it comes to post stalling, I'll just do my best. I'm in the UK so in terms of time zones it may be tricky to setup a time that works for both of us.
Can i join to you'r team ? I want to learn more and im so alnoe i have no friends to play with
At 1:10. That was sick. I have pulled it off a few times and damn it feels good and, you know that guy is coming for you now. But he is the mouse facing a lion. He can run that's it. I hunt for players that know how to dog fight every match. Or taking the ones that try to get the ace cleaning his tail for him then pushing him to my limit playing every game mental and physical. Totally have hade burn marks on my thumbs from fighting some guys. LoneWolfpack806 is me. Anayone who wants to see if I'm lying. Bring it I'm on alot but ending up as scrap will get old after the 5th time. I just want good competition and a Yonex in-between serious and non serious matches. If it helps I'm a dude and a sweaty try hard haha
What the heck kinda missiles was that guy using? I saw those things loop a full 180 and come back at you!
Just got AC7 but I'm waiting until I have a better computer to play, hoping one day I can fly like you 😀
Youre jammming each others weapon engagement zones. Thats why most of your missles are not hitting. Now I can see why the flanker is good at 1 circle fighting.
Only here because I'm at work and can't play low key, solid flying
No wonder why i used to get massacred online lol these guys are both really good
Also, how does it look this good on PS5? I forget, was there a ps4 pro patch? Or did they update the AA? i remember it looking way worse tbh
Run out of missiles and pass out within the first 3 seconds of the fog fight
You guys did a lot of turning.
wholesome conversation
I personally don't enjoy this kind of fight if i was the one in it, im more of a "2 circle fight" kind of pilot, but watching a 1v1 battle with PSM happening here and there is entertaining
Now you need the battlefield bad company 2 theme on the post stall maneuver.
I audibly reacted to that genius Post-stall…. That was a treat to watch
Hey can you tell me what airframe your using I know it’s a Russian design it’s not the mig29 is it looks a little different like one of the Su series
Su-35S
Damn boy you taught me sumn
Ah. The game colloquially known as "Missile Chicken".
This is what happens when 2 players with 10000 hour in ace difficulty fight
Ace combat 7 was so amazing still don't know who blew up the president. Was it trigger ?
It was one of the Erusean drones disguised as an ally fighter who blew up the president and the blame was put on Trigger. The Belkens who were secretly pulling the strings of this whole war were probably afraid of Trigger and wanted him out of the fight but it ended up having the opposite effect since he just rejoined a special force of osean air military all over again because of pretty much being a prodigy who could take victory from the jaws of defeat in every conflict he fought.
Wich is the best aircraft for a dog fight in the game?
The DLC ones I guess
without paying real money, probably the F22, SU-57 or X-02S
cant use the gun like in ace combat assault horizon. that game was so cool.
Hate the dogfight mode tho
Just curious, how are you keeping the camera locked onto your target?
Hold down the button which is used to switch targets, on PlayStation this is the triangle button.
Jeeze did you waste enough missiles?
I never played this game but it looks like the dogfight would’ve been 2 seconds long if you guys both aimed your guns lol
Bringing LASM (Long Range Air To Surface Missile) in aerial dogfight? Gotta be kidding me
How do you make those manouvers ?
i dont know 😯😧
If on PS4/5 drop speed to below 450kph and hold both throttle and brake at the same time while manuvering.
Not sure for the controls on PC, but for consoles:
1. Lower speed to
controllers is
under 500km/h
hold accelerate + decelerate and pull left stick down at the same time
for pc
under 500km/h
hold 2 and 3, then release 2 and start holding W
Apologies
Late to the party / necroposting / gravedigging
Which Sukhoi(?) combat aircraft did you pilot here? Amazing maneuvers!
SU-35S 👍
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming
Thank you!
Man I would never be able to use PSM in combat, I've tried it several times in free flight but even in campaign I am just getting headache from how confusing it is when turning the stick and camera doesn't match
You just gotta memorize how long you need to do it to end up facing the direction you want to. Can be dangerous too if you keep doing them, they can read you.
Jesus amado.... olha essa porra de dogfight véi... loucura!!!
In my opinion the mig29 is the most complete plane in this game
Do you have a bind that just locks the camera onto your target? I can't deal with having to hold a button while trying to do everything else
I wish! 😅 unfortunately not, as far as I'm aware.
not about speed, it’s about who can fly at low speed
It's sad when standard package Ace Combat 7 from steam doesn't even come with a jet that capable to do manuever. Need to purchase add-on. Sucks
That you are doing a g turn that it looks like the mr x is doing
I can’t do this… I always stall no matter how hard I pull the Gs…
And what speed is he on? I need to know how to do that in the mig 29... i know how to do it but I dont know the speed...
Below 450 km/h or 240 knots
The mig 29 can't do post stall maneuvers. Many of the Suhkois can do them in a limited fashion, with the Su33, 35, and 57 I believe being able to do complete post stall maneuvers.
Sad to see that AC7 multiplayer is just plain circlejerking with basically nothing else to do
yooooo bro got that makarov skin
It be nice to know what aircraft you guys flying
SU-37 and SU-35S
Idk why I feel your plane and plane’s paint almost exact the same one in ace combat assault horizon (specially akula aka markov)
Somebody put free bird in this right now
Yo how come ur missiles turn around? How?
Hey i know im late to comment but i hope you don't mind sharing the build that u used, its perfectly fine if you dont want to share, just my build with the su-35 isnt great and im not really getting any kills i dont know what parts i should and shouldn't use for this plane
Here is what was used in the video... Light Blisk Level 2, Variable Cycle Engine Level 2, ECU Software Update Level 2 (I don't use this any more), New Flap Actuators Level 3, Multiple Enemy Detection Device [MSL] Level 2, Thrust-Adjusting Steering Device [MSL] Level 2, Auto-Strafing Machine Gun Device and High-Speed Data Link Antenna. I'm not sure what to use anymore my self I'm constantly adding and removing parts to see what works best...
Do you okay on PlayStation? If so I’d love to fight you
"Yo buddy, still alive?" Search for Nesstark88 on PSN
lol when gripen gaijin
What parts do you use ?
These guys crumble in DCS
When will fans of DCS realize, fans of Ace Combat are not looking for realism / the ultimate simulation of flight! Ace Combat is sci-fi / fiction, it's about creativity and imagination and asking, "what if this or that existed?" There is no need to constantly compare DCS vs Ace Combat, they are two different kinds of software, each aiming to accomplish its own specific goals and cater to very specific people, but I'm sure there are some Ace Combat fans who like DCS!
How do you do those kind of maneuvers? I can’t figure it out and can you use them with almost any aircraft or no?
ua-cam.com/video/zbebkgZjx7A/v-deo.html
Only specific aircraft can post stall maneuver.
Examples being the F-22 and Su 57.
Some others can but I can't remember them off the top of my head.
Is the online or offline dogfight
if this real the pilot not gonna die by missile, g force gonna take you ffirst
They shouldn't have removed dogfight mode.
They did WHAT!!!!
And turn the game to cod ? Hell no
Is that an su 35
How did you do that I've tried to do that but it did not work as well
What plane where you using
Is this a multiplayer mode video?
Yes
This is multiplayer mode?
Parts used?
This is my old setup... Light Blisk Level 2, Variable Cycle Engine Level 2, ECU Software Update Level 2 (I don't use this any more), New Flap Actuators Level 3, Multiple Enemy Detection Device [MSL] Level 2, Thrust-Adjusting Steering Device [MSL] Level 2, Auto-Strafing Machine Gun Device and High-Speed Data Link Antenna.
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming thx man. If I may know, Why you no longer use the ecu software update?
@@KartikoKurnianto You're welcome. Originally it made it easier for me to execute the post stall maneuver but after a while I realized I don't need it and also I actually prefer to stall / low air speed warning a bit the ECU prevents that from happening sooner but I found I can use that dip to my advantage. It's kind of like training wheels lol
@@UnfinishedBusinessInGaming I see... Then what do you pick to replace the ecu software update?
@@KartikoKurnianto I use that slot for enhancing weapons and or durability now, I experiment allot.
its a bit sad how arcadish is the game,yeah i know it was never mean to be a sim but,after u play something with a minim of sim u realize u cannot go back
1:08 Damn Mihaly
How do you get so many views?
No idea, just wanted to share the match and it blew up! It's often the videos you don't put much thought or time into that do well and the videos you want to do well, put lots of time and effort into, hardly get any views. That's UA-cam for ya 😓
the movement of the flaps for the animation is lack luster, i dont feel like im legit turning the plane, this is the only thing thats holding me back from buying the game
I think i cant play multiplayer with my skill 😂
How do you even post stall Maneuver
whats the difference between post stall and kobra?
post stall maneuver is basically all sorts of high aoa maneuvers like kulbits and stuff
cobra is a type of high aoa maneuver
MISSILE! MISSILE! MISSILE! MISSILE!
Least skilled Osean aces :
Look like 1 vs 1 online game play there
Looks fun but I can't stand the fact that it's in 3rd person making it way easier to see all around you and with that constant camera on enemy
It's way more fun with cockpit view for me
Anyone the name of the badass music?
Blue Skies (Infinity Remix)
Mano só manobra em stoll agora entendi porque sempre eu morro nesse jogo saquei agora tudo está esclarecido vou comprar o controle de caça pra fazer essas manobras fica mais fácil hihihi
I prefer the f22a in psm dog fights but the su has so much turn strength mid psm its extremely over powered
Especially the su 30sm if flown right
If this was a reality it would at least 10 G force 😅 effect
wings would goes of irl lol
@@octavegalibert2160 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Whats the ost name?
Blue Skies
SU - 37 ?
the chase camera in this game is horrible wtf
Impressive
Modden dogfights be like
All I see are the same OP jets used no diversity
It's multiplayer bud so those op jets are probably the current meta build.
12 g for 10 minutes
Marverick
Macross
😯😯1 vs 1....
J'ai l'impression que tu fait du sur place...ta détruit tt la beauté du jeux, en un moment s'était lassent
This os stupid honestly, played and finished this game... No comparison to IL2 era... This is garbage, no effects no energy management
5
Looks arcade like
That's because it is. It's not a flight simulator.
It’s not a true simulator. It has a arcade type feel with all the qui😅high action dogfights but it is still a very good game to be play, especially if you put controls to expert I believe it’s called, because it gives you the more realistic type of flying controls.
Use mig 29