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How I Expose CLOG2 | Canon C70
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0:00 Intro
0:49 Exposing Problems
1:11 What I found
1:52 Overviewing Footage
9:01 Final Thoughts
10:27 Outro
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Thomas - great video. This is something that more of f us need to be talking about. Exposing log is not a straightforward process and it’s not consistent across camera brands and now even models. Nice work. Do more of these videos. People need this content.
Appreciate it! Yeah it was tricky coming from blackmagic but I’m really happy with my results! Loads more coming, thanks!
Great video Thomas. I think when most people say to overexpose clog 2, it’s because the clog2 from the c200 and c300 Mark ii were really noisy in the shadows. The c70 is way cleaner in the shadows so it doesn’t mind being exposed slightly darker. Great video bro!
Huh hood to know! Yeah it works well for the R5 too I think, still figuring it out! Thanks dude!
Yes! It's great to have a camera where I'm confident that I don't have to overexpose the image, this sensor is the reason the C70 is better than all the Sonys etc. It's beautiful and easy to work with.
Try adjusting the exposure on resolve before the lut and not after. You'll have similar images when you do that 👍
I really appreciate the non-fussy workflow the C70 provides. Shoot for a balanced exposure and the DGO sensor keeps shadows detail without very little noise. Would love to see a FF version of it.
it's a lovely camera! a FF c70 with the body of the c200 / fx6 would be so rad
Maaaaaan, I've only got through 45 seconds of this, but I'm hype.
My C70 footage still underwhelms often.. bout to grab a drink and settle in for this bc your shit looks sick
Haha stoked, yeah I think if you’ve got solid glass and nail exposure, it can look really clean. I def prefer the look over anything I’ve gotten on my pocket 6k
I know I’m late to the party but this video is amazing. I started working with a canon workflow and clog2 isn’t as straightforward as people assume. This is really helpful. Great job man!
Appreciate it! Yeah as long as you shoot at base ISO, which is 800 for CLOG2, and expose well you’ll get a gorgeous image every time! Glad it helped out
I’m realizing that I have to relearn how to shoot. Which was frustrating, but it was more a lack of knowledge on my side than a fault in the camera. It’s a great opportunity to grow as a filmmaker. Thanks for this man!
dude yeah! always growing, I felt that heavy too when shooting on this camera, which is sick because I really want to be intentional with my compositions, exposures and really just intentional through the whole process.
Nice video but I am missing a bit of the conclusion. What values are you looking for now ok false color and wave form? Keep the black over 20IRE? Where do you put skin tones? Green on the FC? Or one stop over green?
That's what I'm curious about also
It all depends haha, you wouldn’t expose skin tones at the same level for an interview vs sunset with dramatic light. I feel with this camera you just expose to what looks right, basically there’s no need to over expose anymore with it. Same with the new Sony sensors and slog3
@@thomas.kovacik you should have some standards. It makes things easier
Picked it up 2 weeks ago and noticed the same thing - nice to know I’m not the only one who was workin on this sitch- appreciate you man keep it coming
Rad! How are you liking it? Yeah it was odd haha, loving the image now!
@@thomas.kovacik lovin it man - took a second to get used to - but it’s all good now and can’t get enough of that clog2 - it’s just so clean
@@camodam7987 love to hear it! yeah it truly is incredible.. I'm starting to cool down from the Komodo / RED hype, and I'm really valuing internal ND, clog2 and simplicity. Canon really delivered on their cinema line, hope to afford my own c70 or c300mk3 soon
@@thomas.kovacik I was hyped on the Komodo too man so hard to let it go but for me at least the C70 just made more sense and I don’t regret it! 95 percent of the time lol def grab one if you get the chance - that c300 looks unreal to though you can’t go wrong these days
@@camodam7987 I feel that! Dude yeah I’m starting to think clearly with gear and these canon cine cameras just make sense. All around they just work well and give you what you need, wheras with red you need to add to it to make it work for your production. I’m ready to jump ship from my P6K and get a canon cinema camera
Awesome breakdown, man. I just shot an outdoor interview with my c70 at golden hour and exposed to the right. In post, I just couldn’t get it to look “right”. Gonna try experimenting with exposure as well.
Thank you! Yeah right? Exposure wise, nothing is clipping but when you bring it in, and bring the highlights down, skin tones look off. I really like exposing to the left especially for a roll / interviews, skin tones look a bit better to me. Happy shooting!
Finally someone explained to me... Thank you. I also was overexposing clog2, but with C70 it just did not work...
yeah! I had the same issues for a long time, I'll be making an updated version of this video pretty soon. Will def add some numeric values to my technique hah
@@thomas.kovacik great! Do you have any solution when shooting outside at bright daylight? I can’t see s***t 😂
Haha I just try to shield the screen with my head / hat or body hah
I haven’t had too many issues with the screen though!
Very helpful video with great examples.
thank you!
Great vid man! Super helpful for exposing my new C70! Thank YOU!!
I've had this issue with the C300 mkiii and it has been really annoying because I followed the same procedures that you have. Its made me want to just shoot everything Red raw because it seems to be that I expose correctly but I want to change the detail the way that I want. But I guess when I shoot Clog 2 next time I will figure this out.
Yeah man. I find the real extra dynamic range in this camera in Clog2 is in the shadows. It can go a couple stops deeper while clean than most other cameras. No need to push high lites at all with this sensor
Awesome - why are there not more videos on this????? Keep up the great work
Thanks! Not sure! It’s a really important topic, gotta nail exposure to get a good image
7:21 -I know you have the FX3 now but...I just wanna say, the image at 7:21 is one reason why I even looked / researched the C70, but I'll even go one step further and say...this looks better than the FX3.. Just my opinion. Good work either way !
Nice man - been loving your work with the C70, the colours look so good! I'm kind of tempted to grab one for video work, though I am in the sony ecosystem for my photography. A bit unsure as to whether the FX6 or the C70 is the right way to go, but man those colours from the C70 look good!
thank you! dude yeah that FX6 would be proper if you're invested in sony glass, it looks rad!
Dude I think if the LUT you are applying is meant to be a conversion LUT then you are grading back to front. Your primary adjustments should be before the LUT in log space. ???
yup! I think I just graded in one node for the sake of simplicity for this
I definitely have the LUT at the end of my node tree when I grade now!
Awesome man, I love your content, you’re def gonna blow up.
Question, are you running the studio version of resolve or the free one?
Do you think it’s worth upgrading, because I’m tempted.
Ima keep looking out for your videos dude, love it
thank you! I'm running studio, I'm actually editing a video right now talking about why I switched over to resolve! long story short, yes it's well worth it. cheers!
Love it Thomas! you have a very aesthetic eye. Still not sure if I go with the c70 or FX6 :/
thank you! I think the first question is: do you want to invest in RF glass or sony glass? both cameras are solid entry / mid range options! If i was invested in sony, I would forsure be getting the FX6. I'm planning on investing in RF / PL, so the C70 is def on the list
@@thomas.kovacik Do you not need to do any additional grading for most of your work? I tried shooting clog 2 for the first time today and even the rec 709 luts from canon didn't do a great job of turning the log footage into "real life" colors. I'm kind of bummed bc I thought this camera would have quick turnarounds....am I missing something? Admittedly I'm not used to grading in log
@@wcsdiaries check out my video on how I color grade, it’s really quick and simple! Yeah the canon luts aren’t good, that’s why I made my own haha
CLOG2 is pretty easy to work with, as long as you expose properly you’ll nail it
Thanks for this, super helpful.
glad it was helpful!
This is my favorite color of video I’ve seen. I have the R6 and feel I should be able to get similar color. It’s insane. I’m stoked to try to get this style nailed. Wow how do you do it lol for the R6
Thank you! Yeah the canon r5 / r6 are capable of gorgeous images! I def would expose them “naturally” i feel with these new cameras ETTR isn’t the way anymore, they like to be exposed pretty close to perfect- also clog2 naturally is smoother than clog3, though clog3 does look really nice! I would go and shoot the same scene at different exposures, bring it into post and see how they handle! I did this with my fx3 and it helped a ton
thanks for the video...cau u upload the reference files to a dropbox where we can download?....many thanks
Thanks alot!
Course!
You're gonna want to make those adjustments before the LUT there bud.
That’s what I do
@@thomas.kovacik Ah in the video you were doing them after. Carry on!
Dont even have a canon camera but still had to watch 🤣
haha appreciate it!
hey have you messed with the color matrix on the color profiles? ive seen some people do that with the other canon cinema cams mostly to get rid of the strong magenta color cast and get it closer to the alexa colors
I haven’t messed with it much! Yeah I’m sure it’ll get really close
Great Video
thanks!
Do you use the built in preview LUT in the C70? If yes, do you find that if you like the image on the monitor, you will like it at the computer after converting it from clog2?
I do to get a general idea, but it’s always very different when I add my own lut in post. I toggle the built in lut just to make sure things look somewhat good though
Awesome post! Are you using any external monitors to preview luts? I'm taking delivery on a c70 soon and will be testing a lot this weekend. I plan to rock it handheld before strapping the c70 to my Ronin 2 for 90% of it's life lol.
Thank you! No I primarily use it as is, I’ve kinda learned what to expect using the built in 709 lut and using my own lut in post, not the most ideal but it works haha
@@thomas.kovacik There is nothing wrong with that. I do the same thing with my ursa’s film picture profile. I look forward getting this unit in house.
C-log 2 James Miller?
In cam mackeys tests the camera does a really great job at recovering shadows. So exposing for the highlights is the way to go if you’re playing to it’s strengths. Did you use any camera stabilization on these shots, or does it perform better without?
Yeah I’ve found for myself I really enjoy the opposite, but that’s the fun part! I don’t use any in camera stabilization, only lens and sometimes in post inside of davinci
@@thomas.kovaciknice, and exposing for highlights is what you did in this video no? retaining highlight detail=darker shadows and overall image
@@RayceMortensen yup you’re right I misread your comment! Yeah I’m exposing to the left, essentially saving the highlights yeah!
Do you recommend the same for Clog3? I have a R5
generally yeah
the exposure tools on the r5 were always clunky to me- I'd expose using the gamma display assist and try to not clip / crush things
What are you doing nowadays? Are you exposing with waveform? Zebra? False color?!
Doing the same thing as the video
@@thomas.kovacik is using auto white balance a good or bad idea? I just run and gun so much
Depends, I haven’t had any issues with AWB yet. But in controlled settings having a white balance card + setting it manually is often standard
@@thomas.kovacik cool. Do u mess with inputting luts on external monitors ? Or nah
I don’t use a monitor on the c70 so no, but I have for my p6k