I read the title correctly, but still expected him to at least allude to the other thing a bit because of how he phrased it. I guess I just have a dirty mind lmao
Yes i wonder if he's aware of that or at least he (or John Finnemore) subconsciously injected the image from the movie into their writing. I think it is one of the most memorable scenes from that movie. Or maybe great minds think alike (albeit 40 years later)?
Eating together implies trust. That's a cruious sentiment and interestingly the word in Georgian language for friend is "megobari" or someone you share your bowl ("gobi") with. I guess ancient Georgians agreed with David.
@@kourii Yeah, since writing that thatcommnt I've learned more languages and more about linguistics in general and found many more examples. The French copain, for example.
I've read that we are hardwired to enjoy eating in the company of people we are comfortable with. As in, we get more pleasure from the combined act that just hanging with them or just eating alone. I'm guessing it serves as some inherent bonding mechanism, strengthening the trust that each animal knows the other won't bite their hand to steal the food for their own.
I had never thought of it before, but... we don't usually share the act of sticking things in our _other_ orifices nearly so casually, or in groups. A restaurant is a place where you select from a menu something appealing to you, that they will then bring to you (usually heated) to stick into one of your orifices. Put that way, it certainly _does_ seem a little odd that we've all accepted this so completely.
well chat and a shit was something common in the ancient world everyone sitting together on a row of toilets and having a morning chat along with a shit :3
well, if you didn't feel self conscious about eating in public, i'm sure you do now! that "chat and a shit" bit was really funny, though! i love these soapbox vids!
@@marvalice3455 Yeah, but at a quick glance it looks like a very word with a very different meaning. The kind of thing that would not only be awkward, but also get you into a lot of trouble if you did it in public.
Well the reason that I don't really eat easily in public, because I think I'm somewhat scared to get to know people. Because whenever I've seem to have done that, I may end up disappointing them or leaving them in the future. To be mortal is a good feeling, but a somewhat frightening one at that. To know that each of our moments are precious, and that the people around us really are all we can get to make the most of it. It's a scary concept to grasp at times, but at the same time, simple as all hell.
There's this episode of Enterprise (i.e., Enterprise NX-01, commanded by captain Archer) about an alien species that considers eating to be private and shameful, like mating. It caused some diplomatic uproar when they were invited for a tour of the mess hall.
Our ancestors did publicly defecate. The Romans' public latrines were open spaces where people could chew the fat (as well as pass it). And a butler writing about etiquette in the 19th century lamented the behavior of guests at fancy parties where "a crocodile of dinner jackets" would wind its way down to the garden, where all the men would presumably relieve themselves together while carrying on.
@jeanpaulsinatra Finnish conscripts still do, at least when they're out in the woods in areas that have rudimental outhouses. We called it rivinelonen, translating roughly to 4-in-a-row.
We had an antecedent at a bar i worked in that took down the cubicle wall of the lady's loo, we named it the towbicul and it was the most popular thing the club
@TheDSil I think the etiquette in a vomitorium was just to move out of the way, 'cause all vomitoriums were were archways under the bleachers. A lot of stadiums and opera houses/ theatres today have them.
My main worry when it comes to eating out with others is people will realise how much i love food and how much i'll eat. I love food, but because i have a fast metabolism i generally stay relatively skinny. This means that i don't really look greedy. The only thing is, that if i do eat out i generally end up eating more than people would expect from my weight, and i'd rather not look greedy. I mean, if my brother sitting next to me whilst i'm out with my family has finished eating but still has food left over, i'll happily scavenge of them and finish of their food because they've known of my love of food from childhood. But should i be with my friends, i'd want to scavenge of them, but i don't know the accepted etiquettes in that circle which might be different to the etiquettes i had with my family.
@LukeGeoDude It's really a hangup of my own, I had been raised by a single Mother until she married when I was 13, and my new step family ate as if they were at a trough like hogs...I just couldn't stand it, and ate in the living room most of the time. They are wonderful, my Stepfather is one of those "Salt of the Earth" guys that would do anything for you, even if you'd never met, just cant watch him eat :) Mixing chat with eating is my biggest gripe. The mouth multitasks in a revolting way xD
Wait, so every day *in public* you... put things... into your body entrance? And them some bones within that body entrance break it down, fluids come and soak it up, and then through a long flesh tube, you bring it to the rest of your body, where it's dissolved in acid?
Sorry to contradict one of your theories David, but there are extremely good evolutionary reasons for defecation to be a private activity away from the crowd. Quite simply it's a very good way of passing on diseases, and many social animals go to some effort to defecate away from others of their type. In contrast, social animals often eat (or graze) in company for mutual protection, because they hunt together and due to genetic ties.
I read a book recently called The Hail Mary, same author as the Martian. There is an alien species in the book for whom eating is a very private affair because of the way their anatomy forces them to eat
Actually I rarely eat in public because I'm almost never hungry and would rather spend my time & money on other activities, which is what I usually occupy myself with while outing. And when I do refuse to purchase a serving of food when with another person it's usually because I want to talk to/at them about something, which I find difficult to do with a cheekful of sushi.
@ryanhogansonemanband That was the movie I was thinking of... Thanks ryanhogansonemanband. I haven't actually watched it but thought it was an excellent concept. How long will it be before TV runs out of ways of making cookery shows seemingly interesting and seeks an alternative?
'air, or electricity, or sarcasm' my screen is wet because I spit when I laughed. I admit my thoughts turned to lavatories before he mentioned them. I think my chosen super-power (to which I have perhaps given more though than the average person) would be to go to the toilet through my hand, but instead of the usual products produce pens, thus solving my two most common problems, needing to go to the toilet when this is not possible and not having a pen when I or someone else need one.
Well no, frankly. I am apposed to eating in public as a result of my old man constantly ridiculing me when I ate loudly or rudely by mistake. Im just afraid people will call me a pig again for surviving.
I, for one, didn't like the communal "Chat & a Shit" we had in the Army using the communal outhouse that had no privacy walls between the holes in the plywood benches.
I'm th ekinda guy who doesnt eat in public, and I could agree to what he said. I do put myself on a podium sometimes, but it's only a consequence of my past of not being good enough for/in anything. Mind, thta's not an excuse to carry on unhealthy and irrational behaviour. I am working on my problems. That's why I apprechiate someone pointing them out to me. Interesting.
Except it is very likely that people won't show how they truly eat because 'table manners'. Not saying that those aren't important but honestly, main reason that I dislike having anyone around when I eat at home is because I don't want them commenting on how I eat. If I'm eating at home I'm ravenous and my goal is to energise myself with food! There's a general difference in how I eat at home to how I eat in public with someone else.
i liked this. although it's kind of funnier when he gets angry, if he runns out of ideas he tends to get angry about nothing, which is worse. very intresting :)
The reversed status, private eating/public defecation, was shown in a Luis Bunuel movie some 30 years ago. I think it was "The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie".
i only eat with people i either have never met and wil lnever meet again or with people i know and trust completely, i dont like to eat around people i dont know much but will see and converse with fairly often, however this rule does no apply to things like popcorn at a cinema or party food.
@HairyBassist And even with that, we're a lot more willing to watch someone else do it than to watch them in the toilet. I mean, most of us have held a friend's hair back when they were puking, or sat rubbing their back to help them feel better. But we're not likely to be found holding someone's hand while they're engaged in a particularly tricky shit.
There was a time, in fact, when people would sit together and defecate and chat. Roman public loos , as well as some during the early and late medieval periods were clearly communal. Sex was handled within family bounds and children learned very early not to be embarrassed by their parents', erhm, evening activities.
So what's the logic behind catering staff not being allowed to eat in front of customers? Plus, I think Romans did used to have a dump as a social occasion.
People also don't tend to shit or f*ck in front of others either. It is on these basis I maintain that public breast feeding is indeed still inappropriate to thrust upon strangers.
Omg I'm in pain laughing so much at this ... I do often think how animal eating is. Usually when someone devours something hungrily and revoltingly in front of me in a train
@MsKimchichi - You think eating is as perfunctory as brushing your teeth. Now you don't really believe that for a moment do you? Eating is one of the greatest pleasure life has to offer and if it isn't then what is?
Isn't it just a matter of things you eat smelling good and things you shit smelling bad? Anyone would agree that it's much more delightful to converse surrounded by a good smell as opposed to a stench.
@a1024s PRECISELY! Someone gets it. This makes me happy. I never liked dining out with people, because most people talk with their mouthful, chew with their mouth open (with loud-as-possible smacking), and have the general manners of a 4-5 yr old that has no idea how to behave in such situations. I also have said something similar to your closing part. "If you just have to sit across from me and eat with me, then why not come shit with me? I mean as long as were sharing biological functions...
Wait a minute. How many times have you seen David eat? How many times have you seen him being sarcastic? Coincidence? I don't think so.
He's just not a public masticator. He does that in the privacy of his own bedroom.
I saw him eat a fruit corner once.
Seen him eat fondu
All that delicious-looking sushi was making me hungry, but then he fixed it.
I read the title correctly, but still expected him to at least allude to the other thing a bit because of how he phrased it. I guess I just have a dirty mind lmao
"Pull down our trousers, and gobble up a banana."
He knew what he was doing there.
Curoiusly, starting from 02:30, the upside-down world which he describes can be found in Luis Bunuel's marvelous film "Phantom of Liberty."
Yes i wonder if he's aware of that or at least he (or John Finnemore) subconsciously injected the image from the movie into their writing. I think it is one of the most memorable scenes from that movie. Or maybe great minds think alike (albeit 40 years later)?
well in classical times shitting was a social activity
Also having sex in company was a social activity and it still is for many of us, fortunately.
It still is a social activity in India.
It is wonderful how you have selected the word 'mastication' for this type of video in a marvellous and witty attempt at humour.
Eating together implies trust. That's a cruious sentiment and interestingly the word in Georgian language for friend is "megobari" or someone you share your bowl ("gobi") with. I guess ancient Georgians agreed with David.
Not uncommon in languages. _Companion_ and related words contain the Latin word for 'bread', and _mate_ is related to _meat._
@@kourii Yeah, since writing that thatcommnt I've learned more languages and more about linguistics in general and found many more examples. The French copain, for example.
I never realised I was a supermodel or in supercilious denial. I love you David Mitchell.
I am now surviving on sarcasm.
I am now able to survive for a week purely on sarcasm and ill-intention
If you are looking for a society where eating in front of others is taboo but sex isn't...the Trobriand Islands are the place for you.
Thanks! Fascinating, my kind of people
+The Butler Did It BRB, got to pack for the Trobriand islands
My God. This guy just said what I've thought for years about the art of eating in groups. Fascinating.
there is allso a lot of intimacy in feeding someone, being fed by someone, or feeding eachother.
How have I only just found these?!
You think you’re late, I’m late 3 years behind you
@@lunavenj5189it’s never too late, it seems.
He's like a grumpy 21st century Montaigne.
I just started reading Essais at uni after discovering this! Glad I’m not the only one who thought that!
Once again David nails something that I have often wondered myself.
"Selecting food.... inserting it into your face..." hahaaaha..... It's the way he says things... xD
I've read that we are hardwired to enjoy eating in the company of people we are comfortable with. As in, we get more pleasure from the combined act that just hanging with them or just eating alone. I'm guessing it serves as some inherent bonding mechanism, strengthening the trust that each animal knows the other won't bite their hand to steal the food for their own.
Sex and defecation are private? Good to know!
Pornhub disagrees
However, it seems that not everyone has received their copy of the memo yet...
From a Carl Sagan book (I forget which one). "Some cultures have sex in public, and eat in private..."
oh my god, i nearly died at "chat and a shit"
Damn. And we were so close.
I had never thought of it before, but... we don't usually share the act of sticking things in our _other_ orifices nearly so casually, or in groups. A restaurant is a place where you select from a menu something appealing to you, that they will then bring to you (usually heated) to stick into one of your orifices. Put that way, it certainly _does_ seem a little odd that we've all accepted this so completely.
This was both funny and actually kind of touching
he has such a way with words.
well chat and a shit was something common in the ancient world everyone sitting together on a row of toilets and having a morning chat along with a shit :3
GoDLiKeKakashi Yeah I love those ancient toilets
"Inserting it into your face"
Could be sex or food reallt
well, if you didn't feel self conscious about eating in public, i'm sure you do now! that "chat and a shit" bit was really funny, though! i love these soapbox vids!
enough with the Tampon adverts - I DO NOT WANT ANY TAMPONS!!!!
i really love David Mitchell :)
Eating and drinking improve social cohesion, because you are more relax both during and after doing either of those. It's that simple.
I read the title wrong...
We all did...
I came looking for pubic mastication
Likely on purpose
@@caitthenerd7470 what, you never heard the technical name for chewing?
Jk if I weren't a nurse I wouldn't know it either
@@marvalice3455 Yeah, but at a quick glance it looks like a very word with a very different meaning. The kind of thing that would not only be awkward, but also get you into a lot of trouble if you did it in public.
Good point well made. Also, even if ZenPunk had been wrong, the awesome moniker would merit a freebie.
Let's see David doing it with Victoria in a public place
I think this episode was a ruse. David Mitchell has long ago learned to sustain himself on sarcasm alone.
@@neuvocastezero1838 He rarely descends to sarcasm.
"I wouldn't have minded, but he showed up to the next dinner afterwards. That's what really stung"
Well the reason that I don't really eat easily in public, because I think I'm somewhat scared to get to know people. Because whenever I've seem to have done that, I may end up disappointing them or leaving them in the future.
To be mortal is a good feeling, but a somewhat frightening one at that. To know that each of our moments are precious, and that the people around us really are all we can get to make the most of it. It's a scary concept to grasp at times, but at the same time, simple as all hell.
There's this episode of Enterprise (i.e., Enterprise NX-01, commanded by captain Archer) about an alien species that considers eating to be private and shameful, like mating. It caused some diplomatic uproar when they were invited for a tour of the mess hall.
This one is clearly by far, the best of the lot.
This bit was taken from a French surrealist comedy called "The Phantom Liberty".
Definitely one of the funniest of these Soap Boxes!
Our ancestors did publicly defecate. The Romans' public latrines were open spaces where people could chew the fat (as well as pass it). And a butler writing about etiquette in the 19th century lamented the behavior of guests at fancy parties where "a crocodile of dinner jackets" would wind its way down to the garden, where all the men would presumably relieve themselves together while carrying on.
ancilodon
So, what happened? Why did it changed?
Oscar Samaniego I blame the Victorians. LOL
Oscar Samaniego
For the men, fewer gardens.
@jeanpaulsinatra Finnish conscripts still do, at least when they're out in the woods in areas that have rudimental outhouses. We called it rivinelonen, translating roughly to 4-in-a-row.
We had an antecedent at a bar i worked in that took down the cubicle wall of the lady's loo, we named it the towbicul and it was the most popular thing the club
@TheDSil
I think the etiquette in a vomitorium was just to move out of the way, 'cause all vomitoriums were were archways under the bleachers. A lot of stadiums and opera houses/ theatres today have them.
You have a way with words that remind me of Douglas Adams
Some children like to hide behind a box of cereal when eating breakfast.
I used to do this, but only because it was fun to surround myself with a fort if cereal boxes
My main worry when it comes to eating out with others is people will realise how much i love food and how much i'll eat. I love food, but because i have a fast metabolism i generally stay relatively skinny. This means that i don't really look greedy. The only thing is, that if i do eat out i generally end up eating more than people would expect from my weight, and i'd rather not look greedy. I mean, if my brother sitting next to me whilst i'm out with my family has finished eating but still has food left over, i'll happily scavenge of them and finish of their food because they've known of my love of food from childhood. But should i be with my friends, i'd want to scavenge of them, but i don't know the accepted etiquettes in that circle which might be different to the etiquettes i had with my family.
Now I'm going to feel awkward when I eat my lunch at work.
I wholeheartedly agree
@LukeGeoDude It's really a hangup of my own, I had been raised by a single Mother until she married when I was 13, and my new step family ate as if they were at a trough like hogs...I just couldn't stand it, and ate in the living room most of the time. They are wonderful, my Stepfather is one of those "Salt of the Earth" guys that would do anything for you, even if you'd never met, just cant watch him eat :)
Mixing chat with eating is my biggest gripe. The mouth multitasks in a revolting way xD
I love the way when he breaks anything down it sounds... well, shit.
I read the Title wrong and this was less exciting than expected
Whilst watching this, I'm having lunch in an open-plan office.
It's given me a little food for thought (no pun intended, honest).
Wait, so every day *in public* you... put things... into your body entrance? And them some bones within that body entrance break it down, fluids come and soak it up, and then through a long flesh tube, you bring it to the rest of your body, where it's dissolved in acid?
Sorry to contradict one of your theories David, but there are extremely good evolutionary reasons for defecation to be a private activity away from the crowd. Quite simply it's a very good way of passing on diseases, and many social animals go to some effort to defecate away from others of their type. In contrast, social animals often eat (or graze) in company for mutual protection, because they hunt together and due to genetic ties.
Wow. Really insightful. Keep doing these!
The Japanese on the sliding doors at the beginning is read as sekken hako, which means soap box. Noce touch!
@JRGWing Brilliant, reminds me of Mitchell's rant about passion.
I read a book recently called The Hail Mary, same author as the Martian. There is an alien species in the book for whom eating is a very private affair because of the way their anatomy forces them to eat
i've has exactly that thought!
Actually I rarely eat in public because I'm almost never hungry and would rather spend my time & money on other activities, which is what I usually occupy myself with while outing. And when I do refuse to purchase a serving of food when with another person it's usually because I want to talk to/at them about something, which I find difficult to do with a cheekful of sushi.
@ryanhogansonemanband That was the movie I was thinking of... Thanks ryanhogansonemanband. I haven't actually watched it but thought it was an excellent concept. How long will it be before TV runs out of ways of making cookery shows seemingly interesting and seeks an alternative?
@mazzyboodeboo Isn't that a film called "the Human Centipede: First Sequence"? xP
'air, or electricity, or sarcasm' my screen is wet because I spit when I laughed.
I admit my thoughts turned to lavatories before he mentioned them.
I think my chosen super-power (to which I have perhaps given more though than the average person) would be to go to the toilet through my hand, but instead of the usual products produce pens, thus solving my two most common problems, needing to go to the toilet when this is not possible and not having a pen when I or someone else need one.
for a chat and a shit. I love it.
Well no, frankly. I am apposed to eating in public as a result of my old man constantly ridiculing me when I ate loudly or rudely by mistake. Im just afraid people will call me a pig again for surviving.
I'm pretty sure David Mitchell is familiar with the works of Luis Bunuel.
It would be awesome to live on sarcasm as sustenance.
@Doomsdave96
So what you're saying is that another person, who can read into eating publicly as much as David Mitchell, is David Mitchell. O.K...
I, for one, didn't like the communal "Chat & a Shit" we had in the Army using the communal outhouse that had no privacy walls between the holes in the plywood benches.
So what does it mean if I like to eat in perfect darkness?
I'm th ekinda guy who doesnt eat in public, and I could agree to what he said.
I do put myself on a podium sometimes, but it's only a consequence of my past of not being good enough for/in anything. Mind, thta's not an excuse to carry on unhealthy and irrational behaviour. I am working on my problems. That's why I apprechiate someone pointing them out to me.
Interesting.
WHO MAKES THESE BACKGROUNDS I WANT TO KNOW
@izthishuman - Thank you! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who misreads the title every thing this video pops up at the side of my screen. :)
Kayleigh
Except it is very likely that people won't show how they truly eat because 'table manners'. Not saying that those aren't important but honestly, main reason that I dislike having anyone around when I eat at home is because I don't want them commenting on how I eat. If I'm eating at home I'm ravenous and my goal is to energise myself with food!
There's a general difference in how I eat at home to how I eat in public with someone else.
@blahk04 it was enterprise if i recall correctly
i liked this. although it's kind of funnier when he gets angry, if he runns out of ideas he tends to get angry about nothing, which is worse. very intresting :)
I think if anything after hearing this one could become quite self concious about eating, to which I myself feel presently.
Former anorexic with issues against public eating here - you got me.
Is David sitting on a giant chunk of sushi?
yup
@@xerospacious4024 Or maybe... just maybe... he's eating it.
Genius.
This is from Luis Buñuel: The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (1972).
The reversed status, private eating/public defecation, was shown in a Luis Bunuel movie some 30 years ago. I think it was "The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie".
i only eat with people i either have never met and wil lnever meet again or with people i know and trust completely, i dont like to eat around people i dont know much but will see and converse with fairly often, however this rule does no apply to things like popcorn at a cinema or party food.
"We're DOOMED!!"
You are less vulnerable when eating than you are when defecating or mating. It is easier to stop when being interrupted.
Or is that just me?
@JRGWing The strongest survived on Bulldog before the introduction of the essential oils.
@HairyBassist And even with that, we're a lot more willing to watch someone else do it than to watch them in the toilet. I mean, most of us have held a friend's hair back when they were puking, or sat rubbing their back to help them feel better. But we're not likely to be found holding someone's hand while they're engaged in a particularly tricky shit.
by contrast, I abhor eating alone. If none of my coworkers are around to eat lunch with, I don't eat at all.
There was a time, in fact, when people would sit together and defecate and chat. Roman public loos , as well as some during the early and late medieval periods were clearly communal. Sex was handled within family bounds and children learned very early not to be embarrassed by their parents', erhm, evening activities.
So what's the logic behind catering staff not being allowed to eat in front of customers?
Plus, I think Romans did used to have a dump as a social occasion.
"slip away quietly to the ingestatory, pull down our trousers and gobble up a banana"
finally....... i'm not alone !!!!!!!
this is really depressing. i hope i don't develop an eating disorder now. thanks, david mitchell.
People also don't tend to shit or f*ck in front of others either. It is on these basis I maintain that public breast feeding is indeed still inappropriate to thrust upon strangers.
Omg I'm in pain laughing so much at this ... I do often think how animal eating is. Usually when someone devours something hungrily and revoltingly in front of me in a train
@MsKimchichi - You think eating is as perfunctory as brushing your teeth. Now you don't really believe that for a moment do you? Eating is one of the greatest pleasure life has to offer and if it isn't then what is?
"pull down your trousers and eat a bannana." LOL
This is a segment from a Luis Bunuel film where eating and defecation are reversed.
Isnt Bulldog for men a complete paradox when related to David Mitchell?
Isn't it just a matter of things you eat smelling good and things you shit smelling bad? Anyone would agree that it's much more delightful to converse surrounded by a good smell as opposed to a stench.
"For a chat and a shit" lol
@a1024s PRECISELY! Someone gets it. This makes me happy. I never liked dining out with people, because most people talk with their mouthful, chew with their mouth open (with loud-as-possible smacking), and have the general manners of a 4-5 yr old that has no idea how to behave in such situations. I also have said something similar to your closing part. "If you just have to sit across from me and eat with me, then why not come shit with me? I mean as long as were sharing biological functions...