'A Complete Travesty!' Sir Ed Davey Grilled At Horizon Post Office Inquiry
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- Credit: Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry
Lib Dem leader & former postal affairs Minister Sir Ed Davey has faced questioning at the Post Office inquiry over his role in the Horizon IT scandal.
After being cross examined by Jason Beer KC, Tim Moloney KC, representing convicted sub-postmasters grills the politician.
Mr Moloney presents Davey with a letter written by him appearing to misrepresent the case of a convicted sub-postmaster Mrs Henderson. Ed Davey agrees with the sentiment and apologises.
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Ed's defence appears to be that he was utterly useless.
ad infinitum.
Well at least he’s telling the truth for once’. He’s useless.
Should be known as the "Sturgeon defence"; I didn't know I don't remember it wasn't me"
he is; have you not seen him during the election run-up recently
Not true. His excuse was that letters are written for him by trusted officials who were had researched the facts, but had been lied to. Ed Davey did name Paula Vennels and Smith, but told the enquiry the lies were ' Corporate'.
Ed Davey did meet Alan Bates eventually, but Mr.Bere for some reason let Ed off the hook.
I dont think you listened to the entire session
He is the master of asking people to resign when they have made a mistake. I hope you do the honourable thing that you expect of others.
Needs to resign
People like him, NEVER resign !!!
@@kennethwalsh8804 so true
grow up, he won't take his snout out the trough!!
Mixed feelings here. But, when a change of Ts and Cs pop up appears, do you read it?
He needs to be in jail. People are dead.
Jail the lot of them.
Give back your knighthood. I wish this was before the election.
This is why it wasn't before the election
All this was known before the election
cant agree enough
I knew not to vote for this fake fop
Your absolutely right it reflects the total STUPIDITY of the honours system
Sir Edward, Your apology means nothing. You are one of the reasons Mrs. Henderson went to jail.
You should be doing whatever you can to see that Mrs. Henderson and the other sub postmasters are fully compensated as soon as possible.
They should also be separately compensated by Fujitsu.
You Sir, should also be stripped of your knighthood.
Mrs Henderson had already been investigated and forced to resign from the Post Office in February 2010, three months before Ed Davey became part of David Cameron's coalition government. She was certainly wrongly convicted, but didn't go to jail; she was instead given a Community Service sentence and ordered to pay back the allegedly "stolen" money.
I’ll second that
This Guy (Ed Davey) just got re-elected, I consider that the British Electorate for what they vote for dont deserve to Vote
You should know this, Government asks for a report to be made on any issue (the Labour Government has just made known it will commission a report on Housing in the UK) in the UK, then Government may implement a part of any report, when things go wrong Government blames the report. This has been happening for decades in the UK Government
He is complicit and guilty and needs to be charged
The one and important reason I would never vote for this man.
Lib dems are a corporate party.they do nothing for the poor and the vulnerable.they only get elected in middle class and well healed areas.the middle clas constituents that vote for them are only looking after their own interests.thats why they voted for austerity if your on 100000 grand a year working for the nhs or locol govt you can handle austerity.davies and swinson are typical forelock tuggers.look how many went to the house of lords
Shame on the people who voted for davey the man is a disgrace
He`s as Dodgy as Assholes !
I wanted to vote Liberal, but could not, because of Davey
It wissnae me it was my staff, I never wrote the letter, I never read the letter, I did no due diligence, I just signed it. The epitome of a modern politician. Ed Davey ISAC.
Applies to modern so called managers too
@@biggeordie245 Ever worked in central govt? Ministerial office? Seen the volume of ministerial inquiries/correspondence? Ever had to work on replies to any of this?
There is just about NO minister, since the beginning of time to this day, who could be expected to know/understand every conceivable aspect of their brief from day one in the job. Unlike the many predecessors on the role of PO minister, Davey had the gumption to see that a meeting with Mr Bates was required.
@@anthonydunn5853 a minister of integrity would take responsibility for what is done in his name, not just point the finger and whinge. “I didn’t write it, I didn’t read it, I didn’t do due diligence. I can’t be held responsible for things I didn’t do” strangely he always had time to glad hand, entertain donors and act the clown. This issue had been going on for many years before Davey, a few honourable MPs kept it live, the Private Eye kept it in print. Davey was not interested. If Ministers don’t keep on top of their brief why on earth do we need them? Just let the Civil Servants do as they please.
What we see here is normal incompetence by politicians.
If you sign a letter you are taking the responsibility for it....... but not in politic just for common people..... WHY?
He took thousands to represent the Post Office AGAINST the Submasters.
Almost a quarter of a million. £££££
Yes he did and Wavey Davey is another liar and corrupt
It was Davey who hired very expensive lawyers to prosecute sub postmasters. And refuses to apologise for that when interviewed. and yet he is still leader of the Lib-Dims who obtained more seats than Reform with less votes than them. Davey & Starmer are both supporters of PR but now they are in power expect another flip flop from Davey & Starmer
Just been listening, yep LISTENING! To Jo Swindon. Yeesh! That woman really does love the sound d of her voice! As do most politicians! I suppose Sir Paddle board bungee jumper thought better of it! Hmmm. 'And nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all! The needle returns to start of the song and we all go on as before!' Lalalalalala....🤷😤🙏⚖️🙏
@@philiphoddell5549 NO he did not. And stop libelling him or you could end up in very expensive and deep water.
That's right Ed...blame a scapegoat. What a disgrace !!
I’m sure,you like me wouldn’t expect anything else from this man
Resign!
The sheer audacity of this man!
He is culpable in the dreadful treatment of these poor people.
Reprehensible individual
A total snake.
Resign from what, exactly? He's not a minister now; he's not even in the governing party, so what should he resign from?
Davey was PO Minister for 15 months 2010-2011. This issue kicked off with the first Horizon prosecutions in 2001. What about some NINE years of faulty prosecutions before this came anywhere near Davey?
Davey's I did not think was a bad guy like other party leaders but this does change things in my view the fact of the matter he is lying for a start and as the rest of the PO management say 'can't remember never seen that letter wich they signed or it's someone else fault !!!
Tells you all you need to know about Ed Davey
Davey is as bad as the rest of them
Worse.
He feels sorry and humbled because he has been found out , lames everyone but himself
He was probably to busy abseiling and being a total clown to raise his head out of the trough to see the miscarriage of justice right before his eyes....he's personifies everything that is wrong with our governing and corporate class.
When your snout is in the trough you couldn't give s toss about anyone except yourself!!! Annoyingly his snout is still in the trough!
His position as an MP is no longer tenable. He needs to resign. His credibility is in tatters.
@@jamesgibbons313 Actually, I think your credibility is in tatters.
Please explain why you are making this point solely and uniquely against Davey and none of the other 20 or so people who were PO Ministers before/after and quite a few of whom are still in Parliament?
Just why the single focus on Davey? You must have a reason.
He was the minister who was in charge of the post office, and he testified under oath that ministers do not make comments on individual constituent court cases. He then sends a letter doing just that. His credibility is in tatters, and if you can't see that, go and have a chat with the sub postmasters that suffered under the incompetence of many government ministers.
@@jamesgibbons313 You are choosing wilfully & deliberately to ignore the wholesale evidence of deception & dishonesty on the part of PO senior management and on the part of Fujitsu (UK) Ltd. Why is this?
You are also choosing solely, specifically & uniquely to heap your opprobrium on Davey rather than those actually guilty of masterminding the wrong doing. Perhaps you’d care to be more open & honest about what is behind this.
The government was the sole shareholder, and Sir Ed Davey was the minister in charge during his tenure. If he wasn't aware and was deceived, that is still his responsibility, he's in charge, as far as the Government is concerned when he was minister in charge the buck stops with him. I agree he was not the only minister who oversaw " the biggest miscarriage of justice in British legal history" but he is accountable as they all are. Anthony stop trying to defend the indefensible, this is a national scandal. There are hardly anyone involved in this scandal coming out of this with their reputations unscathed, but I'm commenting on Ed Daveys performance, that's how you tube works. It was lovely to hear from you again but this is my last reply to you appear to have very fixed views on this matter. Bye bye.
Jo Hamilton should get some sort of reward for sitting through all this and staring everyone down!
and this character thinks he is fit to serve us....he should resign immediately.....
He is blaming his staff for his failures
@@myview5840 Ever worked in a ministerial office?
But you see fit to pass judgement.
You haven’t got a clue.
The problem is, a lot of people voted Lib Dem. If all this news was highlighted by the media it would let people know what they were voting for.
@@malcolmfisher2672
Bizarre remark. This issue surfaced last year - and well before the recent GE24 so your comment has zero validity or credibility. And then there is the other incontrovertible fact that there were some 20+ Post Office ministers, the majority of who were from either Labour or the Tories.
Do tell us just what this says about them?
He won't resign enjoying the gravy train too much.
Davey is a snake
Ed davey could have made a difference in the post office case. He is a waste of time and money and should be jailed
Don't be so fucking ridiculous. He was one of many ministers (Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative) and was the first one to actually do something.
@@robertmurby163 Which pretty much sums up the moronic lynch mob stupidity of your own comment.
Have you ever worked in a ministerial private office? Central govt? Ever seen the volume of correspondence?
If a minister is expected to handle such issues on the first day in office, then they have to expect & rely upon being told the truth by their advisers. It’s blindingly obvious to all but the most wilfully stupid (that’s YOU by the way) that this did not happen with respect to Horizon and the Post Office.
Before flaunting your brute ignorance any further, try reading Nick Wallis’ “The Great Post Office Scandal”. A warning: it’s a big book with big words. You might struggle.
Talk about not being focused on your essential job as post office minister, that position gave you ultimate power to find out what the hell was going on at that time, that was your primary job! But no, to busy navel gazing and enjoying the trappings of government without acctually governing with diligence! A complete failure of a man and l don't believe him that he knew nothing of the mistreatment of large numbers of postmasters going on accross the country, asleep at the wheel is an understatement. 🤬🤮🤮💩
@@paultweedley2026 You clearly do not understand the relationship between Government and the Post Office. The Post Office is wholly owned by the Government: it is a public corporation in the Dept of Business and Trade. As such, the Government provides investment and subsidies as required. But it is an arms length company: the Government sets the parameters under which it functions and reviews its performance, but it does NOT take any active role in its internal operation. This is why Ed Davey was advised by civil servants that it would be inappropriate to meet Alan Bates as he could not interfere in an internal Post Office matter. He later did decide to meet Alan Bates and was the first Post office minister to do so.
There were 6 Labour ministers before him who either were totally unaware of the Horizon issue (which had been going on since 1999) or ignored it. The basic problem for all these ministers (and those 3 Lib Dems and 8 Conservatives who came later) was the culture of denial by Fujitsu and the Post Office Executives that the Horizon system was faulty. I suspect some civil servants were also trying to hide the issue to protect the reputation and value of the Post Office.
@@robertmurby163
The first Horizon related prosecutions began around 2000-01. Davey was PO Minister in 2010-11 for some 15 months.
How many people were PO Minister before/after him? Can you explain why you are calling for him alone to be jailed? For what offence? And what about those at the Post Office who lied repeatedly to Davey and his Civil Servants? And those at Fujitsu (UK) who also lied?
Have you actually bothered to listen to & understand what Bates had to say about Davey? Presumably not bcos it’s too much like hard work and doesn’t fit with your lynch mob mindset.
You must have reasons for your entirely partial, frankly unhinged views. What are they?
He’s a joke like his party
He is doing a lot of apologising with one or two “Can’t remembers”. How much was this man paid while this malpractice on a biblical scale was going on. How he sleeps at night is beyond me. Obviously, I’ll not get a knighthood any time soon.
He's already been knighted for not rocking the boat.................
His apologies sound so false, jail time
Why doesn't someone write a letter stating "I'm a tosser" and he can sign that. After all, he trusts those giving him letters to sign that what they've written is true......
And no one goes to jail for perjury
Another one suffering post office amnesia.
This should have been done before the election the result would have been a whole different outcome.
How anyone could vote for him is a mystery. Honestly.
Davey must take full responsibility for his dereliction of duty by not not looking after the interests of the postmasters, by not investigating the soaring prosecutions of innocent postmasters, by his inertia, by his refusal to meet with Alan Bates. All I see is a minister who failed to investigate the IT software programmes that was seriously defective and generally distanced himself from what was actually going on - but instead accepted lock, stock and barrel what the senior management of the Post Office was telling him. Yet he was being paid a very generous salary. Shocking.
The state of our nation, summarised in this inquiry. Time to storm the Bastille in UK!
There isn’t a Bastille in Britain. 🙄☺️
And replace it with what?
I worked in business my whole life and if I had any notion at all of a fellow employee being incompetent I would always double check their work. After all the letters, the news articles, the tv shows the Cabinet Ministers still just accepted what the PO was telling them without even asking a single Post Master or the MP's who brought their cases to Parliment a single question. That is incompetence at the highest level. Ever single person who worked for Ed Davey and Ed Davey himself should be ashamed of themselves for the crap job that they did by just maintaining the status quo, nothing wrong here just move along. Sickening.
What a slimey character Ed Daley is, this is the leader of the hapless Liberal Democrats, so would anyone want this distasteful character represent them in Parliament.
It beggars belief, the amount of , I can't remember, I don't recall, statements he makes. His apology is not sincere, it's only now that he's been bought to question , that he says sorry. I don't know how he, And the others questioned can sleep at night, knowing full well the devastation they have caused
Why is he a party leader and MP?
Because his constituency voted for him
Because his constituents are not very bright
@@spms3018 Because he was voted for.
It’s clear that you’re not very bright or you’d have made some effort to understand just what goes on in a ministerial office. But adopting a lynch mob mindset is just so much easier isn’t it when it required no thought, just splenetic anger and rage.
@@rmw7536 But you are?!
because he's bent and lies- just like the rest of them.
the truth what a shyster.
"They are lying and we know they are lying, they know that we know they are lying and they are still lying"
His Knighthood should be removed from him, he is clearly incompitent??
People ARE responsible for their ACTIONS, including Ministers?
They are the useful idiots who are honoured to reward blind loyalty. Public servants 🤦♂️
I apologize for that..! Oh, that's ok then..Knob..😮
He tries to distance himself from the letter completely, fails spectacularly.
Listen to the tone in his voice.
The cherry on top, the tried and tested ' I don't recall ' routine.
Any reason why Ed Davey didn’t attend the enquiry BEFORE the recent General election?
He was always due to give evidence on the 18th July, from before the election date was announced. Some may say it was a stroke of luck for him!
He would have if Sunak called the election on Oct, but he is not responsible for the election date. Also he lost his seat in 2015. After which some ministers awarded honours to post office officials, we still don't know who this was.
Someone put a letter in front of him so he can sign to agree to give his pension to the postmasters. I’m sure he wouldn’t do due diligence and sign it
Why on earth was Ed Davey knighted ?
Is just par for the course for party leaders. Even John Major was knighted and later made a Lord. He was so bad he makes Sunak seem like JFK.
It's amazing how they try to diminish their roles now. Happy to take the big money, and hang these poor people out to dry. They should get the jail terms handed out to the innocent.
The man is a total disgrace to hold any form of office. His apologies is total contemptuous.
Unfortunately he is my MP.
Look at all the people who voted for LibDem in the recent elections the party should be insisting he stands down as the Leader.
Indeed, i have been thinking the same thing ever since his name was part of this scandal.
Why wasn't he questioned sooner? Why after the election? This should have been out before
@@gufdrrh
The inquiry list of witnesses was compiled before Sunak called the snap GE..
This Guy (Ed Davey) just got re-elected, I consider that the British Electorate for what they vote for dont deserve to Vote
@@johnwainwright6205 fair enough but it's just so annoying.
A misscarage of justice you were a part of ed....shameful
Shameful. Take full responsibility Davey and resign.
Ed you are caught out, you fool, stand down. Read before you sign!!!!!
Read? you overestimate his abilities 😉
Not laughing and joking now is he?
He should of resigned, and in fact, still should.
Mr Maloney KC is brilliant. No wonder he won 'Crime and Extradition Silk of the Year' in 2023.
Too busy bungee jumping for the cameras.
"you are signing them on the basis that people are telling you the truth'. How a career politician can say that with a straight face is appalling. He should be stripped of his knighthood.
This shows what level of "sophistication" our system of government and law makers have achieved. Signing letters written by someone else. "Expert Witnesses" whose expertise is in cribbing information from others without any deep understanding of how what they represent actually works. Jobsworths with huge pay-packets hanging in to positions way above their true worth. Followed by an enquiry spending millions £'s more pontificating when an in depth technical course on computer operation would serve a far better purpose for the future. It was disgusting; is disgusting; and is set to remain disgusting.
This Guy (Ed Davey) just got re-elected, I consider that the British Electorate for what they vote for dont deserve to Vote
You should know this, Government asks for a report to be made on any issue (the Labour Government has just made known it will commission a report on Housing in the UK) in the UK, then Government may implement a part of any report, when things go wrong Government blames the report. This has been happening for decades in the UK Government
The civil servants are going to get away with this Scot Free.
The depths of this scandal shows no bottoming out. To say it is appalling is such an understatement. I think the future of the Post Office should be under serious consideration. I think it should be made redundant.
What is the POINT of signing a letter, if you don't endorse the contents? What did he think signing a letter meant? Did he think it was just a decoration? That he was being paid literally for writing his name?
And I'm very sick of people saying "it looks that way" instead of "yes" - it's just another way of trying to distance themselves from responsibility.
Hw fortunate for him this is being served after the election
when you are the government minister in charge of the Post Office you don’t just accept assurances that everything is rosey in the garden. He was completely useless a waste of space , why are people like this still representing the public today . He’s the actual leader of his party , disgusting.
This man is a Sir and an MP. What an absolute disgrace.Give up your Knighthood and resign as an MP
Anyone who thinks something like this is a one-off should take a look at some of the testimony in the Australian Robodebt Royal Commission.
Having worked in the Commonwealth public service I can tell you that the behavior of senior public servants in the UK and Australia is identical.
Take a big problem to them and you will more often than not hear "if you can't do the job I'll find someone who can", which is a thinly veiled sacking threat.
It's not the system that's at fault, it's the type of people selected for senior positions who don't know how to change a bad system. They would rather make people work around the problems than change them.
Why didn't he appear before the enquiry before the election?
incompetent. and incompetent ministers get away with it. shame! shame! shame!!!
He has aspirations of running the country, he couldn't run a kindergarten, why is he not facing criminal charges instead of having his hand smacked
Davey comes across as an odious and wholly dishonest weasel.
He's a disgrace
Shakes head. He's my MP and was my MP at the time. And he's just been re-elected. Clearly the people of Kingston also are not too bothered by a minister who perpetuated the slur on Mrs Henderson.
Jail the lier !
How shocking that people would lie to politicians, who are so noted for their devotion to truth.
The smell around him over this is just one reason I'd never vote for him or his political party
Good job in this country we have got a judicial system backed by Government to protect the interests of the common man.
😂😂😂😂
Innoculating devaluing his apology.
Slippery than a politician.
Jo Hamilton what a trouper looking all these slippery obsfuscators in the eye.
But they continue to lie!
The apology is meaningless unless he he doing everything in his power to correct his mistake. What is he doing to push for compensation and police action?
"thats the only way government can work " we just sign anything thats put in front of us ? what a complete fool
Sunak Starmer, Davey all have one thing in common!
I wonder if his Involvement in the prosecutions of the sub postmasters had any influence in his knighthood. If it did or it didn't, he should be stripped of it. And then criminally investigated.
Once again we have a cowardly politician trying to cover his tracks. In this case Davey not only claims, 'not me gov!' He tries to spread blame and then goes full on blaming civil servants and Post Office bosses. Someone should tell him that he as an elected official was the person with the real power. But he couldn't be bothered at the time because it involved cases of individuals with no influence and little pull with those in power. It is nothing short of criminal negligence. He is as bad if not worse than the Post Office bosses who he is trying to blame. Davey should be facing jail time to match that endured by the innocent PO workers.
Did the officials ask?
Take back knighthood!
Yet another highly paid person involved in this who can't remember or didn't know. This needs to be in the criminal justice system not an inquiry.
Cable is a nasty bigot and tried to help cover up the uselessness of Horizon.
He is a Lib Dem enough said
Who Voted for This Guy . Sir , Sir ......Why ??????
Cameron's creepy coalition...But it just about sums up the corrupt 'honours' system in our benighted island does it not.
What a Liberal liar!! How can he sign something he didn’t understand what he was signing - disgraceful
Davey should have his knighthood rescinded, he clearly is incompetent, unquestioning and corrupt. He made money out of this scandal.
To think that this bloke is the leader of a political party
It’s easy to say sorry when it is neither your family, your reputation or your life that has been affected. It is easy just to pass the buck and say I only signed it I didn’t write it but by signing it you accepted responsibility for what was in it. Well Mr Davy it is your reputation and I hope it is your life that will be affected. If you had anything about you, you would return your title, do you think you deserve to be known as Sir because I for one don’t. It doesn’t give us much faith in our MPs if you are one of them and openly admit you do not check what you are signing.
6:57 .. when you are signing letters you are going on the basis that people are telling you the truth. Rubbish …. When you sign a letter you are putting the authority of your role behind that letter, so you duty bound to verify the contents.
Especially when there are prior suspicions 'in the wild'.
How much did he get paid by POL?
He has just been re- elected to parliament , good luck to any of his constituent’s that need any help , and an inquiring mind to ask question’s on their behalf , makes you want to weep if this is the standard of LD MPs . Let alone a party leader .
The look on his face says, 'I've just got caught with my pants down.'
He might get away with this if he does a bungee jump without a bungee 😂😂😂😂
He didn't look very comfortable did he!
Total bloody corruption
Total disgrace
complicit in a conspiracy.
So that's alright then, I was only following orders
and how much did he get paid for 'following orders'. Why was he knighted?
Well l have been watching this and Sir Edward.
It doesn't matter what people say... today he is trying to slide away with responsibility by a minister.
He goes around doing promotional stunts.
Smiling and chatting to people...look at me syndrome.
Clearly all a put on
Yet he did absolutely nothing to look into the problem.
And for sure he knew...
Now, he simply says sorry for that.....tail between his legs... soulful statements coming out of his mouth..
The big OOOPS..
But it not my fault.
I had to deal with more legislation...for the coming future.
Will people believe him in the morning...or future..
Wasted space...
He should have his knighthood removed...
His memory, when it was in his favour, was super clear, for example, when he wanted to meet Sir Alan Bates after his second letter and apparently went against his advisors (which he did as channel 4 was getting involved). However, when it wasn’t in his favour, his memory was shockingly bad e.g. don’t remember seeing that letter, etc, etc. How everyone voted for him, I have no idea.
All of them who have sat there have done exactly the same thing
And people voted for this guy and his party? Hells bells!
Signing spurious letters does not seem to have taken its toll on your career "Sir Edward"! I wonder how many others you have sold down the river over the years to get to where you are today?
Ed Davey is clearly implicated in the PO scandal, why was he has stated working on PO business strategy wouldn't that be down to the PO board to work out, I wager he couldn't name any of his constituents that he has personally represented unlike Pritti Patel who took on her constituents complaints