Ed Davey admits regret at not meeting Alan Bates sooner | LBC
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- In light of the ongoing controversy and recent broadcasts shedding light on the Post Office scandal, James O'Brien hears from former postal minister and Liberal Democrats Leader, Sir Ed Davey, who apologies for his role in the scandal.
Davey admits his regret at not meeting Alan Bates earlier and concedes he failed to uncover lies from the Post Office, specifically regarding the Horizon Computer System and remote access capabilities.
This apology comes after Bates described his compensation offer from the government as "cruel" and "offensive" - stressing that it's only "around a sixth" of what he requested.
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Davey said sorry only because he thought he would lose his job.
Agreed davies is a weasal remember he got paid to represent the po 2 grand a day
What a c... sir ed davies is
Jo swinson who voted for austerity and tuition fees part of the establishment
Bit dissapointed james never highlighted how he was paid 2000 grand a day ats part of law frim supporting the intetests of the post office management
. You are right there.
I'm almost embarrassed to watch this dribble
It's the most pathetic diatribe
Drivvle.
What an absolute fraud. Why has he not resigned?!
Hes a politician
He's not a minister and has not been for 9 years and not responsible for this for over a decade. What is supposed to resign for.
Ed Davey is finished now!
All those ministers who ignored the Post Office Scandal should not get pensions for ignoring this!
Totally feigned. I “probably” is so far from sincere, as water is from yoghurt.
Stop saying the Post office lied, name the people who lied!
Yes, we need to know the persons that told him, & lied to him.
Paula Vennels is one of them.
Ed davies is a creep for all to see an egregious msn
The whole of the post office lied, covering up from the start on the role out. The inquiry really raises lot of key points , but most conveniently forgotten !!
@@wolfman9132his brother????
Apologies not accepted. Politicians think that an apology absolves them from the damage they've caused. No way. Davey has to GO!!!
He has called for 30 or more people to resign. Now he's in the spotlight he doesn't resign himself. He's a rat!
It's very rare they ever apologise anyway.
I'm fast coming to the conclusion more dynamic resolutions will be needed.
Those poor people had their lives torn to shreds through no fault of their own. An apology should come naturally. It shouldn't be forced.
Not saying you're wrong, but he was lied to by the Post Office just as much as the Subpostmasters were.
@@AndyNicholsonI agree with your original post before you edited it. Everyone involved should be called out about this, not just Ed Davey.
Seppuku on the table ?
@thomas the whole thing stinks...and where has Sir Ed been hiding?
@@AndyNicholson So why apologise now ? do you think hed be apologising if the drama on ITV hasn’t been shown recently so rhetorically question. His apology is too little too late and completely disingenuous.
"I'm sorry I was lied to" - the words 'non-apology' have never been more appropriate.
Quite. Classic politicians ' non-apology
An apology from Ed Davey at this stage is far too late. However, he wasn't the only minister to do nothing to help the postmasters and mistresses, this scandal involves ministers, civil servants, various post office hierarchy over many years, and Fujitsu. I sincerely hope that at some stage justice will be done, and prosecutions will hold those responsible to account.
The way this country works, those in power, the rich and if you know the right people always get away with it. There will be no real justice for the Sub Post masters/mistresses in fact I am convinced that the Government are drawing the compensation claims out in order to hope these people died from stress, so they do t have to pay them.
To Late Davey Boy, Please stop embarrassing yourself, do us all a favour, STEP DOWN.
There is a guy who could not care less for anyone else but himself.
I think we call them politicians don't we.
Weak, feeble politician James you should have asked him what he actually did for his money as Post Office Minister
If only this man had read Private Eye....12 years ago.
If members of public knew about the problems with Horizon/PO - as I and many others did - then the Minister in charge should have known as well, and perhaps swallowed his pride and had a serious chat with Ian Hislop about it.
For a professional liar to complain about being duped by another liar is such a feeble excuse. I hope he loses his seat to the former Postmaster standing against him.
"professional liar...being duped..." excellent!!
and the rest of them
12 years ago he had stopped being minister for PO.
Panorama did a documentary in 2015. David Cameron stood up in Parliament that year and pledge to deal with the issue. This has been out there for years. I must point out one thing though. Although Blair cleared the £1Billion cheque for the new software, the scandal only really begun to break in 2009. This was only being picked up by Private Eye and Computer Weekly in the last couple of years of the Labour stint in power. This has been known about throughout the WHOLE of the 14 years of Tory government and nothing has been done.
The Post Office are still in the position of having paid many people "compensation" that amounts to a fraction of the money they stole from the sub-postmasters under false pretences and with the aid of blackmail and threats with menaces. These are CRIMES and all involved should absolutely be serving jail sentences. There should also be MASSIVE financial penalties. But we know there will never be justice. The system, whether under Tory or Labour control, will drag this out until even more victims have died while waiting. At the moment they are still exonerrating individuals one at a time. NO! They should stop all individual actions and declare ALL prosecutions carried out with the aid of people like Ed Davey are null and void immediately. They can sort out the technical nuts and bolts later. But, I doubt there will ever be true accountability. There never is for the rule makers and big organisations.
So let me get this straight; A sub postmaster, and one that represents a large group of people writes to you to say that the Post Office are wrongfully prosecuting people. And that a computer system is to blame, and you rely on the word of the Post Office that they are providing all the facts truthfully. It's like saying a burglar broke into my house, reporting it to the police and they say "case closed, burglar says he didn't do it.".
The bully turned teacher. He was part of it and he now gives the impression he is at the forefront fighting for justice. What an absolute hypocrite!
Well said. He just can’t see (or doesn’t want to see) how we spectators can so easily read him. He should read Erving Goffman’s masterpiece The Presentation of Self in Every Day Life.
There's no such thing as an honorable politician. Not for a long time.
Well there's one or two for sure, you'd have to agree with that.
@@regs_j I can only think of 4...
@@hardergamer I'm curious who are they?
"I’m sorry I did not see through the Post Office’s lies" - What an absolute weasel.
Crocodile tears. How low can these people go
Much lower.
You'll see.
Already are tbf...A human rights lawyer agreeing with cutting water and electricity off.
No doubt they will go lower. Much lower.
anything to save their job.
@@RedBrigades If the Covid enquiry's anything to go by, they're adding extra modules at twice the speed they're clearing them. At the current rate of progress, it'll be 2033 before the hearings are finished, and by then, they'll probably be overrun by SARS 3.
exactly
A non entity of a politician trying to wriggle out of responsibility
You're stuck in that hole Ed and no amount of digging is going to get you out.
Yes but he calls for people to resign for a lot less..
But he didn’t say sorry earlier did he, but probably has been forced into it now. O’Brien was very easy on him. Has Davey cried yet, then tries to spin it around you couldn’t make it up.
@charles Maybe lbc and job are feeling guilty about their paucity of coverage of this scandal!
@@Andrew-ti8hijames did bring up years ago
has he apologised to alan bates for the vast reduction of compensation that was offered and rejected yesterday!hahahah
He may be an incompetent, snivelling politician, buts he hardly to blame for what was offered yesterday
Ed is only sorry that this story became so public and resulted in such outrage that he now thinks he could suffer electorally
Davey regrets being caught out. He doesn't regret what he did. He's disgusting. I hope his constituents do the right thing at the next election and ditch him.
he is part of the cover up
Why didn't James question ed Davey on his involvement with the lawyers who were acting on behalf of the post office for prosecutions against the sub postmasters and mistresses?
It astonishes me more every day that politicians don’t seem to understand that the British people are exhausted with political spin. Just tell the truth!
They’re in their own little bubble! Nothing outside of it is of any interest.
Sir Ed Davey, it was thousands of sub post masters. Not everyone was convicted, but still lost everything. The fact is you didnt ask the right questions of the Post Office. You didnt do your homework. Who signed the original contract with Fujitsu? Personally, every politician I have heard who was involved in this scandal, is just annoyed they got caught out. That is what they are really sorry about, nothing else.
Proving that an MP will do the right thing only when backed into a corner with no other way out...
He can't win then can he?
He couldnt possibly care less.
He didn't say the names of people who lied, he said the post office lied then he named Smith and Vennells as being in charge.
J o B never asked him specifically if they lied to him
He is too late, for his apologies.
He is only doing it, because he has finally worked out that he has been damaged PERSONALLY.
Bye bye Ed.
He knows his time as club leader is over
Too little, too late. Remove him
What a pathetic example of our current political class!
It’s really, really, really, really, really bizarre how he can’t seem to say the word “sorry” in that interview.
He probably thought it was told that saying sorry was an admission of something he doesn’t want to admit any responsibility for 👀
The guy doesn’t have a sincere bone in his body. He's a complete opportunist, promoted way above his capabilities. And as for the knighthood, what can you say without swearing?
He only regrets not saying sorry in the recent interview because of the almost universal condemnation he got for not doing so 😂 Repulsive man will cost his party dear in the upcoming election.
Ed Davey proving that some politicians CAN see which way the wind is blowing.
Isn’t it interesting that the right wing media focus ONLY on Ed Davey - who was proceeded and followed by tory ministers as post office minister. I wonder why?
Ed Davey was part of a coalition who put the Tories in power and he was rewarded with a knighthood. Stop with the tribal nonsense.
Well it suits them to cover up for Tory crimes plus as we all know the Tory way is to blame someone else. I call them the Teflon Tories nothing is ever their fault there is always someone else to blame. Consequently nothing ever sticks as the right wing press will absolve them of any wrongdoing.
@clivet3252 it isn't tribal nonsense. It's very valid that he is the only one being singled out, while there were people in charge after him. He's being used as a scapegoat for the ineptitude of the Tories. If there had been no Tory/Lib Dem coalition, you can be sure that the Tories would still be doubling down and denying everything to this day.
@@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo Ed put the Tories in power and is deflecting onto them, failing to mention an inquiry was set up in 2020
@@alwhyte6533 tell me what the others are doing now? They're not leading major political parties in an election year. Boris Johnson set up an inquiry in 2020 even though he was supposedly the worst Tory of all the Tories because he had a cake.
He’s finished
IP (intellectual property) was valued more than the livelihood of the people. Pretty sad state.
It's absolutely disgusting.
That’s capitalism for you
What a soft ball interview.
Sorry is too late.
We need more than apologies. Criminal acts have took place...Davey knew back then but what did he do? NOTHING.
He’s a self serving politician that has waited to see if this would “all blow over” and now it hasn’t he’s attempting to save his own reputation. He’s disgusting, for his attempt to excuse and justify his role in this and the transparency of his pathetic attempts to salvage his image in this interview is gross and wholly unbelievable.
Spot on.
You always know when a politician is lying because their lips move !!
Too little, way too late. Hope he looses hi seat!
Sorry doesn't cut it ,should be locked up .
' i didnt know noffin.' Classic defence.
To be fair he WAS lied to by the PO and by Fujitsu. Blair in rewarding the contract to Fujitsu was also lied to. To try to lay the blame with one MP considering the actions taken by the PO and Fujitsu over so many years I'm sure suits those 2 companies very well. Oh and the Tory Government who oversaw and rewarded PO heads when it was clear they had lied and were covering up the lies that ruined so many lives. Cameron in particular who as far as I'm concerned should resign over this.
He still did nothing about correcting the situation even after Ian Hislop exposed it in the Private Eye.
Yep @@ljt3084
@@ljt3084 And the tories have done nothing about it between 2012 and 2023. There were 18 Tory ministers involved. Why is it that only an LD is being targeted. And, since you like Private Eye, Ian Hislop has said exactly this and there is a vid on UT of him laying into a Tory minister on the Robert Preston show.
He couldn’t care less
I think he was referring to David Cameron@@kieran2842
'I felt it .....' unbelievable
Distraction, deflection, deception!
"The laws around whistle blowers are pathetic"...
Will Julian be released soon?
I cannot get around to the length of time this have all taken to fully surface. Nearly twenty years or there abouts. That's a life sentence in an industrial scale. It's either a cover up of corruptions and lies or just sheer incompetence from the government and the judicial system. Such failure is sickening.
Just goes to show the power of TV dramas.
Can someone point me at the apologies from the current and past Tory ministers involved. I think I must have missed them. How's put their hands up so far.
@jk And Sir Keir has been suspiciously quiet. Blood on many hands here!
They are far too busy with their PR team oh and they are arrogant beyond belief.
@@Andrew-ti8hi CPS? Did those prosecutions go through the CPS?? I thought they had their own weird court system for these. The grey man rarely says anything about anything.
Some went through the CPS in England and Scotland@@JK-zx3go
I think labour was involved as well
Davey needs to do what he wanted johnson to do, every week davey called for johnson to resign, NOW IT'S THE TIME FOR HIM TO RESIGN.
Of course he's apologising now, it's going to be an election year.
More damage limitation, than a heartfelt apology. It certainly didn't come across with any sincerity.
He really is a wet fish.
Just another slimy performance from Mr Davey, one we've all come to expect. He's a slug in a suit.
No one will be held to account!
Yes, it’s desperation and he needs to step down as leader of the Lib Dem’s. Two further points I’ll make are, 1. James went really easy on him, I get it James dislikes the Conservatives more and knows tactical voting will be huge at the next election and 2. Ed Davey would not be on LBC and other news channels if he was receiving positive reviews from his constituents and others in marginal seats across the country, so a bit of a white lie at the end of the interview and is that what you want from your politicians…
Of course he went easy on him. They're part of the same centrist gang. He even gave him the opportunity to suggest the Tory media are making him a scapegoat. The reason the spotlight is on him is because he is the only one who is the leader of a political party. And he is a massive hypocrite. Why didn't he ask him if he hates the Tories so much why did he put them in power and accept a knighthood as a reward?
Davey was the first minister to meet with Bates but he is being dragged through the press like this is all his fault. Ridiculous. Scapegoat comes to mind.
I contacted Jo Swinson at the start of 2013 (I think that’s the timing) when she was post office minister. My friend in Glasgow had suffered, lost his job, his reputation, lost money etc. I got a standard email back from a minion but nothing further. Clearly she wasn’t interested
Sorry but he has had ample time, and was asked more than once in interviews to say sorry, and he didn't. Too late.
People involved should all be arrested and jailed.
Must be worried about possible looming jail time
Thats why he wont give a direct apology, he opens himself up to legal challenges.
No-one will be doing jail time.
A key question is, if money went missing and there was external access to the accounting system, where’s the money now?
ED DAVEY SEEMS TO BE DESPERATE TO SAVE HIS POLITICAL CAREER. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE SEEMS TO BE CONCERNED FOR HIS LASTING LEGACY AS A HUMAN BEING. UNFORTUNATELY, THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL NEVER FORGET THE POST OFFICE SCANDAL. WHO'S NEXT - HMRC?
Agreed 👍 very well spot on message.
I agree spot on
Actually he makes my flesh crawl....
He has come out of hiding to give a PPB!!
I’ve seen James O’Brien go in harder on callers he disagrees with than he did here. If I had Ed Davey sat in front of me stumbling through answers I would be grilling him so hard. James was far too easy and let him get away with far too much. All he talks about is how “He” was lied to. Almost like he is the victim?!
Ed Davies has had a very long time to say sorry, and name who in the post lied to him !
This all too late in the day to apologise after the ITV when he eas asked over 10 times to say dorry, and he still did not !
Idk how they even went through with all this like every single post office is on the scam? They must of known they weren’t though.. but decided “we don’t care that your innocent” -“we’re here to destroy you”
Looks like a worm riggling on a line ! Mr bates is a legend 👏
Master Bates.
The incredibly sad thing about this whole situation is that nobody responsible for this will face any accountability whatsoever.
This vile, hollow atonement from Davey should be stricken from the record.
I do not understand why Ed Davy is getting this flack when he was the first to meet Alan Bates and there were 18 other Tory Ministers over the period who did nothing and ignored Alan Bates. He's not a minister and has not been for 9 years and not responsible for this for over a decade.
Prison for Fujitsu and Post Office officials who are criminals and they must be prosecuted as the Post Office is still using illegal methods making payouts to Postmasters but only if they agree to stay silent which is outrageous!!!!!!
Sir Ed Davy's silence, as much as his possible culpability in the Post Office Horizon scandal, is a stain on his record, not just as a politician but as a human being.
I think this apology has come too late. It cannot achieve what a much earlier apology might have done. Lives and livelihoods were lost. Set against this, his loss of reputation - which remains - is as nothing.
It's not an apology. He's blaming the Tories and fails to mention they set up an inquiry in 2020.
Disingenuous comes to mind?
Ed Davey depicts why so many think MPs from any side, all have their snouts in the Tory crowded financial troughs in Westminster.
'I'm apologizing because the party executive has said I'm a liability and will almost certainly lose the LD's the small number of votes they were going to get'. It's an embarrassment.
Why didn't you say earlier but choose to now!?....self interest 🤔...🖕🐍
He finally blew it when he refused apologise during that interview weeks ago. I have no problem with the Lib Dems but saying sorry now just proves he should resign.
Surprised James O Brien doesn't blame the victims. Doesn't he think these people are 'gammons'?
It makes me wonder just how much our government covers up.
He was lied to on an industrial scale, his words. He just needs to give us the list.
Ed Davey must resign from his seat, and be stripped of his knighthood.
No accountability & no responsibility whatsoever. ‘I apologise for being lied to’ is NOT an apology to the thousands of lives you ruined when you were supposed to be doing your job as Post Office Minister. Resign immediately Mr Davey, I never want to see your face again.
there was a Criminal neglect of this persons resposibilities, he should be investigated and if appropriate stripped of Honours and jailed...
2011 - it was reported in 2011, Ed Davey should have apologised then and stepped up 13 years ago!!!!
Why are our politicians so bad at their job?
oh, that's all right then...I keep asking but no one knows the answer: why, if the computer "glitches" were random, were there not as many false profits attributed to subpost offices as losses? Strange isn't it?
Like where did the PO think all that extra profit came from after sales made didn't account for it?
Why do public servants think by apologising believe that relieves them of any accountability.
Ed Davey statement: too late, the horse has bolted 😡he should face prosecution
Bit late for an apology over his incompetence - he chose not to listen to Bates or investigate and, when he found out later, Davey still did nothing.
Wiggling at its very best ! A perfect case study.
Oh that’s okay then. Such a brave man lol.
He should tell us the names of those whom he says lied to him so they can be prosecuted. To many at the top pointing a finger at someone else!
He will be at the enquiry soon. Get your popcorn ready.
greasy to the end. it's part of their core characteristics.
Not me gov! Not my fault. I was only the Post Office Minister at the time.
Ed Davey, you are a disgrace! You were given the chance to apologise ages ago! You are not fooling the public one bit! Resign and do the right thing. How many times have you called for resignations!