Not Maths rack: www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/v... Hopefully this will help others get the functionality of Maths without actually having a Maths. If you're into that kind of thing.
Struggling to listen purely on account of this chap's inability to pronounce 'Maths' properly; whatever the opposite of ASMR is, that's what your attempt at an utterly simple words induces in me.
The greatest contender(s) for a Maths would in my humble opinion be a combination of the Cosmotronic Delta-V (rev. 2) and the Xaoc Devices Samara mark II, which combined is the same amount of HP (2x 10 HP) but with more (but also slightly different) functions, albeit at a higher cost (about €460 compared Maths’ €270): Delta-V: 2x slew limiters / AD (cycling) envelopes w lin-log-exp control over rise and fall / EOC outputs / VCAs with sum output (!!) Samara II: Basically a 4-channel mixer with 2 inputs per channel (one normal and one inverted), 2x +/- offset for channel 1 and 3 for attenuversion, individual outs as well as submixes, and then the grand finale of having 5 different modes for the two function outputs A & B, which features min/max logic, sample and hold, clamping, scanning (can be used as a VC switch too) Combine these two and you have in my opinion an insane amount of options in the same amount of space and which covers more ground. However, there as mentioned in the video... the immediacy and design from make noise is just brilliant. Everyone needs a Maths. If u have a small setup tho, those two modules can cover hell of a lot of ground in 20 HP!
I should have seen this video earlier, because I was on the hunt for content like it. Thank you for breaking it all down. Fortunately, my own research led me to several of these alternatives, and I ended up with a Random Source / Serge Dual Universal Slope Generator and I can attest that it is phenomenal. I even have considered buying a second one or the CGS Quad Slope, which - at 32HP, assuming you can dedicate a block of space for it - is pretty efficient if you look at it as 4 x 8HP of Serge slope generators. For me, I avoid Maths because I strongly dislike the design; even replacing the hideous Make Noise panels with Grayscale ones like you have done, the layout seems counterproductive (though I admit that is just prejudice as I've never laid hands on one). The layout of the DUSG clicks with me, as does that of the Rampage (which I've played with virtually in VCV Rack) and the Double Andore (being a fan of Industrial Music Electronics).
Yes, I've been looking at that too - not because I'm for or against Maths, just curious to use something else. BTW, a lot of people seem to recommend MI's Stages. I messed around with it in VCV Rack, and indeed it has a lot of possibilities, which on the face of it sort of cover Maths.
Doing this all in Serge, whether through CGS, Random Source, or whatever: combine slopes with a "processor" for attenuverting and mixing, and "peak & trough" for min/max.
Fellow UA-camr Voxmachina recently released an open-source function/slew generator he calls Sigma, which is a pretty nice design; it's an all through-hole build, and you can send his gerber files straight to a PCB fabricator. I've built a couple of them (partly to have both channels and partly because the fabs won't make fewer than 5), and those plus a homebrew dual attenuverter/mixer cover most of what Maths does.
my imaginary rig would have a TON of mixers... 2 moog CP3s, a CP3+ (4ch) with multiples, a tiptop miso & a summing mixer, a blinds, an intellijel joystick and an 8 channel VC8 plus other VCAs with a pair of contour 1s and a rampage too. the ONLY thing missing would be whatever those logic things are. otherwise, it looks like I have more maths and better maths. (plus a pair of tokyo gates, an LxD & a pair or apertures for LPG sloping & 4x CEMvelopes) you can never have too many VCAs or mixers, right? as to envelope following, I'm blown away by the sputnik modular "graphic EQ" where each band can be an envelope generator.
Schlappi -boundry is in many ways better brother. The bounding ball input, creates me logic and interact with the circuit. It’s 3way cycling input and can be interrupted by triggers or gates. It’s an improvement upon the serge style function generator.
I plan on getting a tattoo of the Maths module (2012 red lightning bolts) on my lower abdomen before the end of the year. It was my gateway into Eurorack and I love it, but my ADHD prevents me from grasping it’s functions.
I love Maths but I hate the layout. I sort of feel that way about most of Make Noise's stuff. Incredible modules but my dumb brain doesn't work with them.
Along with DUSG, another Maths ancestor is the Buchla 281 quad function generator. It's been available as a DIY project since before Maths existed, IIRC it might have been Toppobrillo's first offering. For Eurorack people often build single or double instead of quad.
Struggling to listen purely on account of this chap's inability to pronounce 'Maths' properly; whatever the opposite of ASMR is, that's what your attempt at an utterly simple words induces in me.
Myaths
I think it's hilarious.🤣
an utterly simple words
@@fantombouquet Yep, the irony of my mistake isn't lost, but I made it and I'm leaving it here for justified ridicule.
MAFFS
Rampage plus the a*b+c module is almost exactly maths
The greatest contender(s) for a Maths would in my humble opinion be a combination of the Cosmotronic Delta-V (rev. 2) and the Xaoc Devices Samara mark II, which combined is the same amount of HP (2x 10 HP) but with more (but also slightly different) functions, albeit at a higher cost (about €460 compared Maths’ €270):
Delta-V:
2x slew limiters / AD (cycling) envelopes w lin-log-exp control over rise and fall / EOC outputs / VCAs with sum output (!!)
Samara II:
Basically a 4-channel mixer with 2 inputs per channel (one normal and one inverted), 2x +/- offset for channel 1 and 3 for attenuversion, individual outs as well as submixes, and then the grand finale of having 5 different modes for the two function outputs A & B, which features min/max logic, sample and hold, clamping, scanning (can be used as a VC switch too)
Combine these two and you have in my opinion an insane amount of options in the same amount of space and which covers more ground.
However, there as mentioned in the video... the immediacy and design from make noise is just brilliant. Everyone needs a Maths. If u have a small setup tho, those two modules can cover hell of a lot of ground in 20 HP!
Food for thought. I’m thinking about the Delta V, mostly for the smaller form factor. Not sure how much I’d miss the attenuvertors though.
Maths, it's what's for dinner.
I should have seen this video earlier, because I was on the hunt for content like it. Thank you for breaking it all down. Fortunately, my own research led me to several of these alternatives, and I ended up with a Random Source / Serge Dual Universal Slope Generator and I can attest that it is phenomenal. I even have considered buying a second one or the CGS Quad Slope, which - at 32HP, assuming you can dedicate a block of space for it - is pretty efficient if you look at it as 4 x 8HP of Serge slope generators.
For me, I avoid Maths because I strongly dislike the design; even replacing the hideous Make Noise panels with Grayscale ones like you have done, the layout seems counterproductive (though I admit that is just prejudice as I've never laid hands on one). The layout of the DUSG clicks with me, as does that of the Rampage (which I've played with virtually in VCV Rack) and the Double Andore (being a fan of Industrial Music Electronics).
Serge all day
Great rundown.
Cosmotronic Delta-V . It has also two VCA's build in.
Frap Tools Fallistri! :) Definitely a Maths competitor (usurper?)
Too bad it's never in stock. I have my eyes on the Fallistri
Yes, I've been looking at that too - not because I'm for or against Maths, just curious to use something else.
BTW, a lot of people seem to recommend MI's Stages. I messed around with it in VCV Rack, and indeed it has a lot of possibilities, which on the face of it sort of cover Maths.
Apart from Samara (expensive, large) which has been already suggested what other small modules would be candidates for companion? kinks, MIA 3X maybe?
I highly reccomend the ADDAC 506 VC Stochastic Function Generator
It looks like there's a new contender now, too. Intellijel Quadrax with its expander Qx.
Joranalogue Contour 1 as an alternative to WMD SSF Mini Slew
it's my favorite
Doing this all in Serge, whether through CGS, Random Source, or whatever: combine slopes with a "processor" for attenuverting and mixing, and "peak & trough" for min/max.
cv trinity is a real contender to maths....great module cv trinity that is!!!
3x MIA is a _6_ channel mixer :)
Fellow UA-camr Voxmachina recently released an open-source function/slew generator he calls Sigma, which is a pretty nice design; it's an all through-hole build, and you can send his gerber files straight to a PCB fabricator. I've built a couple of them (partly to have both channels and partly because the fabs won't make fewer than 5), and those plus a homebrew dual attenuverter/mixer cover most of what Maths does.
The most obvious one you didn’t have on the list I would think would be the 4MS PEG, I guess that just a instead of Maths thing. Great video!
Ah yes, good call!
Thinking the same thing. Just added a PEG as an alternative to Maths in my system.
Great video
I am talking about Comsotronic Delta-V but my post keeps getting truncated!!!
it feels like that second part, where these modules are actually being patched to recreate Maths, is missing...;)
Some guy told me a Rampage + 3xMIA is like maths on crack
I have a Rampage and Intellijel quad VCA, they work extremely well together.
my imaginary rig would have a TON of mixers... 2 moog CP3s, a CP3+ (4ch) with multiples, a tiptop miso & a summing mixer, a blinds, an intellijel joystick and an 8 channel VC8 plus other VCAs with a pair of contour 1s and a rampage too. the ONLY thing missing would be whatever those logic things are. otherwise, it looks like I have more maths and better maths. (plus a pair of tokyo gates, an LxD & a pair or apertures for LPG sloping & 4x CEMvelopes) you can never have too many VCAs or mixers, right? as to envelope following, I'm blown away by the sputnik modular "graphic EQ" where each band can be an envelope generator.
Amazing but this needs a 2021 update! @hermbot
Schlappi -boundry is in many ways better brother. The bounding ball input, creates me logic and interact with the circuit. It’s 3way cycling input and can be interrupted by triggers or gates. It’s an improvement upon the serge style function generator.
Mobenthey Swoop as well!
Are the attenuverters the only thing which makes it different from the Befaco Rampage?
The attenuverters and mixer section are the biggest differences, including the ability to generate voltage offsets.
I plan on getting a tattoo of the Maths module (2012 red lightning bolts) on my lower abdomen before the end of the year. It was my gateway into Eurorack and I love it, but my ADHD prevents me from grasping it’s functions.
Welllllllll did you get it?? If so, that's pretty awesome 🤘
Another reason you might not want it is if you don't like the goofy and confusing interface...
I love Maths but I hate the layout. I sort of feel that way about most of Make Noise's stuff. Incredible modules but my dumb brain doesn't work with them.
My post was truncated.
I see that
Maths pisses me off tbh, like two function generators and some logic should not cost $300 and take up that much space
Along with DUSG, another Maths ancestor is the Buchla 281 quad function generator. It's been available as a DIY project since before Maths existed, IIRC it might have been Toppobrillo's first offering. For Eurorack people often build single or double instead of quad.
In fairness I came after 2019
Falistri aswel