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As a newcomer to the Eurorack field, your videos are not only very helpful but also extremely inspiring. Your calm manner of immediately getting something musical out of the modules is unparalleled. Thank you very much!
Hi. Maths was one of the first modules I bought but I’ve never felt I explored it enough. Some great ideas in the video. It’s inspired me to experiment more with it so thank you very much.
Surprisingly, given its reputation, 'Maths' is actually quite a simple module - its 'just' a pair of slew limiters plus a mixer. The complexity comes from the enormous variety of ways that it can be used. Plus those slew limiters are really responsive with a huge range of slew time available, lots of CV control options and they can get really 'plucky' and have the most musical shape, much more than most envelopes. Held off from getting one for years until quite recently, no regrets in finally getting one.
Absolutely, simple building-blocks consolidated into _deep_ capability & complexity is pretty much the main idea behind the "patch programming" ethos. And when considering the Serge roots behind MATHS (and other Make Noise units), it's made clear why they have such a wide range of uses instead of being any one specific 'type' of module!
Love this! Maths has just made its way back into our performance case. It takes up a lot of real estate space but it is just so easy to use! Thanks for the additional inspiration 👍🏻
I don’t have maths but I do have Befaco Rampage which seems to be similar in many ways. These patch ideas have given me some new things to try. Thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks! great video as always. I particularly like the slew limiter demo and look forward to trying that out. Chs 1+2 are great to have just as attenuverters. eg I use Ch3 to control the wet/dry mix of Arbhar's reverb Maths envelopes are the best in my system, so snappy. Hadn't considered the similarities to an LPG but I get that. Triggering the envelope faster, eg 16ths or 8ths so it's behaving more like a synced LFO is great too - so many crazy LFO shapes and grooves can be produced. I think I need another Maths, lol.
Excellent ideas for Maths. Its versatility is what makes it complex. Experimenting with a bit of logic can sound mental. Top sounds - especially the 'sidechain' segment.👏
MATHS reminds me of the tools a painter uses to mix their paints and apply the paint to the canvas. Its simple tools - 2 functions, 2 mix buses, plus 2 offset or +/- attenuate channels make it ideal to make/mix any voltage and scale it and apply it anywhere. It’s easy to use and fun to play. I lurve it.
Sidechain jam at 15:00 ❤ Also so-called nonmusical part sounded beautiful to me. Sometimes grotesque is a kind of beauty I guess. Hard to explain but I could listen to that all day but I can’t go to the supermarket without noise cancelling headphones due to the blaring tyranny of ancient dadrock and radioactive popsicle muzak that not even an elevator could love. I’d rather hear a chorus of glucose powered toddler tantrums and “cleanup on isle three” but everyone’s a DJ these days.
Another way to sidechain with Maths is to route a copy of the kick envelope into a free channel of Maths, invert it and let it control the VCA of the sound to be sidechained.
Easily a Rise-fall envelope and VCA, and that’s only the one channel. Who wants to buy a whole dedicated attenuverter module? LFOs and interesting side-chaining VCA? Make noise Maths does it ALL - and like he says - never owned an envelope!! This UnPerson has intimate familiarity with this module - I hadn’t thought of the half of his uses. If you can’t make your music sound well mastered or ‘finished’ by using a Make Noise Maths - you’ll be seriously hurting yourself if you dare go buy that expensive compressor/limiter that you think will finally do for you what you’ve been hoping for.
Ah, Maths! It took me at least 4 years of modular experience to fully understand how useful, nay indispensable this module is. I finally settled on a similar module by a different maker. I have 2 notes on Maths: 1. When they redesigned to module to its current V2, they should have made it 2 HP smaller. That would have been possible without sacrificing usability. The original Maths was designed more than 10 years ago when HP weren't much of a consideration and everyone was rocking huge modules. I think an 18 HP Maths would have put it into even more people's racks. 2. The V1 Maths with the lightning bolts and the old-school knobs looked way, way cooler. I looked for about a year on the used market, never ever during that time did one come up for sale. Not too many V1s seem to exist.
He mentions right before playing that he's using the Keystep to play chords from that K.O.-2 hiding to the left. But as an aside, Plaits has a couple modes with 3-note polyphony. Beads can also emulate "polyphony" in Oscillator Mode, albeit indirectly by creatively using some of its features (and it's more akin to overlapping individual notes).
When I first started building my setup, a friend recommended against Maths for the space reasons, instead suggesting the 4MS Dual EnvVCA. That seems to work well enough, but never particularly fun or inspiring. Now that I have a larger case on the way, I may take some of the extra room to explore Maths.
Does anyone has experience with the ADDAC506? Is it even in the same category as Maths? I’m having a hard time deciding which is best for those 20hp (considering I mostly play drone and experimental dark ambient)
Definitely try it that way round. It will change how the filter responds to the dynamics of the input, particularly if you get the filter close to self-resonance, getting close to pinging the filter with short pulses of sound. It's now the normal way I patch these.
I was also curious about that, and especially why is there no enveloppe sent to the VCA, but only to the filter here. (if i am not mistaken) . Anyway will try this because it sounds very good. Edit : I tried it and it’s just awesome sounding ! Indeed very LPG-esque !
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That noise section was actually really musical to my ears. Great video again!
As a newcomer to the Eurorack field, your videos are not only very helpful but also extremely inspiring. Your calm manner of immediately getting something musical out of the modules is unparalleled. Thank you very much!
Thanks for the very kind words! I’m glad to hear my videos are helpful to newcomers to eurorack!
Hi. Maths was one of the first modules I bought but I’ve never felt I explored it enough. Some great ideas in the video. It’s inspired me to experiment more with it so thank you very much.
"sampleable"... pleasing... satisfying... and amazing came to my mind. this video made me check out of work early to go home and play on my system.
one of the best modular videos I have watched - hands down! cheers
Surprisingly, given its reputation, 'Maths' is actually quite a simple module - its 'just' a pair of slew limiters plus a mixer. The complexity comes from the enormous variety of ways that it can be used. Plus those slew limiters are really responsive with a huge range of slew time available, lots of CV control options and they can get really 'plucky' and have the most musical shape, much more than most envelopes. Held off from getting one for years until quite recently, no regrets in finally getting one.
Absolutely, simple building-blocks consolidated into _deep_ capability & complexity is pretty much the main idea behind the "patch programming" ethos.
And when considering the Serge roots behind MATHS (and other Make Noise units), it's made clear why they have such a wide range of uses instead of being any one specific 'type' of module!
Love this! Maths has just made its way back into our performance case. It takes up a lot of real estate space but it is just so easy to use! Thanks for the additional inspiration 👍🏻
I don’t have maths but I do have Befaco Rampage which seems to be similar in many ways. These patch ideas have given me some new things to try. Thanks 🙏🏻
great sounds esp near the end!
your patches sound so good, I really hope you release more albums!
Noise compilation was honestly the best part :)
Very glad to hear it!! :D
I agree actually. I had to circle back to see if that was Plaits, but low and behold its maths as the sound source😮. Super inspiring, its incredible.
you can use the output 2 and 3 to patch in the rise&fall input modulation to offset them to go faster
These vids are so perfectly informative and inspiring. Great sounds and grooves as usual! Thanks!
Thanks! great video as always.
I particularly like the slew limiter demo and look forward to trying that out.
Chs 1+2 are great to have just as attenuverters.
eg I use Ch3 to control the wet/dry mix of Arbhar's reverb
Maths envelopes are the best in my system, so snappy.
Hadn't considered the similarities to an LPG but I get that.
Triggering the envelope faster, eg 16ths or 8ths so it's behaving more like a synced LFO is great too - so many crazy LFO shapes and grooves can be produced.
I think I need another Maths, lol.
Thanks!
Thank you! Really appreciate it ☺️
Another excellent demo! Easy to forget about how important utility modules are. I need to focus more on Maths in future! 😎
Excellent ideas for Maths. Its versatility is what makes it complex. Experimenting with a bit of logic can sound mental. Top sounds - especially the 'sidechain' segment.👏
Just lovely.
This is a really good vid.
MATHS reminds me of the tools a painter uses to mix their paints and apply the paint to the canvas. Its simple tools - 2 functions, 2 mix buses, plus 2 offset or +/- attenuate channels make it ideal to make/mix any voltage and scale it and apply it anywhere. It’s easy to use and fun to play. I lurve it.
That’s a great analogy. I often think of it as a tool belt. Full of simple tools that are useful for so many applications.
What a fantastic video. Thank you!!
Great video again. I don’t have Math, but now I know more about the possibilities.
Excellent!, especially the psychedelic noisy part 😀
Sounds superb! 🤖
Sidechain jam at 15:00 ❤
Also so-called nonmusical part sounded beautiful to me. Sometimes grotesque is a kind of beauty I guess. Hard to explain but I could listen to that all day but I can’t go to the supermarket without noise cancelling headphones due to the blaring tyranny of ancient dadrock and radioactive popsicle muzak that not even an elevator could love. I’d rather hear a chorus of glucose powered toddler tantrums and “cleanup on isle three” but everyone’s a DJ these days.
Yes! I was just going to ask about this on your patreon.
Another way to sidechain with Maths is to route a copy of the kick envelope into a free channel of Maths, invert it and let it control the VCA of the sound to be sidechained.
nice!
Easily a Rise-fall envelope and VCA, and that’s only the one channel. Who wants to buy a whole dedicated attenuverter module? LFOs and interesting side-chaining VCA? Make noise Maths does it ALL - and like he says - never owned an envelope!! This UnPerson has intimate familiarity with this module - I hadn’t thought of the half of his uses. If you can’t make your music sound well mastered or ‘finished’ by using a Make Noise Maths - you’ll be seriously hurting yourself if you dare go buy that expensive compressor/limiter that you think will finally do for you what you’ve been hoping for.
Great video!
Very good montage (13'02😊) and trips !
Bravo!!❤
That last noise patch section is pretty much most of what I do with Eurorack 😂
Hahah! I need to do more of that!
Idk how I've made it this long without Maths lol🤦♂️ I've been putting off getting it for SO MANY years🙃
man get a second hand Instruo Ceis. its a lovely ADSR. very fun module. goes with maths very well. thanks for another great vid x
Ah, Maths! It took me at least 4 years of modular experience to fully understand how useful, nay indispensable this module is. I finally settled on a similar module by a different maker. I have 2 notes on Maths:
1. When they redesigned to module to its current V2, they should have made it 2 HP smaller. That would have been possible without sacrificing usability. The original Maths was designed more than 10 years ago when HP weren't much of a consideration and everyone was rocking huge modules. I think an 18 HP Maths would have put it into even more people's racks.
2. The V1 Maths with the lightning bolts and the old-school knobs looked way, way cooler. I looked for about a year on the used market, never ever during that time did one come up for sale. Not too many V1s seem to exist.
12:51 how are you making the chords with the keystep? Is that plugged into a different osc?
He mentions right before playing that he's using the Keystep to play chords from that K.O.-2 hiding to the left.
But as an aside, Plaits has a couple modes with 3-note polyphony. Beads can also emulate "polyphony" in Oscillator Mode, albeit indirectly by creatively using some of its features (and it's more akin to overlapping individual notes).
@@goonfish Yes plaits is the closest I’ve got!
When I first started building my setup, a friend recommended against Maths for the space reasons, instead suggesting the 4MS Dual EnvVCA. That seems to work well enough, but never particularly fun or inspiring. Now that I have a larger case on the way, I may take some of the extra room to explore Maths.
Yes - sometimes efficiency is st the cost of fun!
Does anyone has experience with the ADDAC506? Is it even in the same category as Maths? I’m having a hard time deciding which is best for those 20hp (considering I mostly play drone and experimental dark ambient)
VCA into VCF rather than the other way around?
Definitely try it that way round. It will change how the filter responds to the dynamics of the input, particularly if you get the filter close to self-resonance, getting close to pinging the filter with short pulses of sound. It's now the normal way I patch these.
I was also curious about that, and especially why is there no enveloppe sent to the VCA, but only to the filter here. (if i am not mistaken) . Anyway will try this because it sounds very good.
Edit : I tried it and it’s just awesome sounding ! Indeed very LPG-esque !
Do nice