I like to think the Loki show is the path to inner peace. If you let go of all words, time, and space, you can achieve enlightenment. Mind you, you won’t have anything else left, so you might as well call the nothingness you will feel enlightenment.
I don't get why Sylvie is the one to say 'Feels different without Loki'. She spent every waking moment wishing Loki would fq off. She only changed her mind and decide to join Loki when she watched her favourite music store get floomped.
Summary: - everyone in the show is so stupid it took them 2 seasons (+several centuries) to realise what infinity means - Kang know everything that would happened after he died and the hole second season was just filer - Sylvi's brain is so revenge rooted she'll kill Kang even if it kill all of reality - Loki decided to Loki ALL OVER ALL THE TIMELINES creating a tree . . . that somehow fixes everything
Sticking with the idea that Loki stayed evil, he could still be a heroic protagonist by motivating him with destroying preditermination. Imagine the wrath he'd feel if he was told that all his own schemes were completely out of his control. But whatever. A show for a better timeline.
Sylvie is the most selfish character I've seen in fiction, with the most undeserved ending ever. She refused to budge on killing Kang because she couldn't have her "freedom" while he's alive, and in the end someone else had to make a sacrifice because of it. And then she just gets what she wants in the end.
The writers read about Norse Loki ending up being tied to a tree, then watched Game of Thrones where there was a demi-god man grown into a tree, and mashed them together.
Norse Loki was never tied to a tree, though? He was at some point bound to rocks with the guts of Nari, his son, and a snake set to drip venom onto his face.
@@KaNoMikoProductions It's in the comics. It's the Isle of Silence where he was imprisoned SUPER early on. It looks exactly like this tree thing. The reason the Avengers first formed was part of Loki's plot to break him out.
I have stumbled upon several UA-cam shorts about Loki turning into the tree. The people commenting on them seemed genuinely moved by Loki becoming the tree, and wrote grand sweeping paragraphs about how amazing it was, and how well it concluded his character. Mainly because he had a throne, and he talked about thrones sometimes in the movies. This confused me then, and now that I have a little more context, it REALLY confuses me.
If this was a villainous Loki, I could see why that would be the case. It’d be like a dark inversion of the Loki we were first introduced to in Thor who went down a path of self reflection ending with his sacrifice in Infinity War, but now he’s gone the other way and become a malevolent autocrat with far more power than he ever could have dreamt of when he was merely the prince of Asgard. But this show has gone to great pains to show that the character we’ve been following is a good guy who just wants to help his friends and save people, not conquer or dominate. So how is becoming a time god a fitting ending for this character? If anything, he should be more selfless than the “main” Loki who died to Thanos. As they said, it’s just pure nonsense and by thinking about it, you put in more effort than the writers did. 😂
Its people trying to sound smart because we don't know the implications, we have no idea of the emotional weight, we don't even know how this came about. Forspoken made more sense than this and that game was nonsense.
from the start He always wanted a throne, the irony is, that he truly was Burdened with Glorious Purposes, he sacrificed the one thing he was truly afraid of (being alone, as when he spoke with Silvie in ep5) he is now the loom, he is the one given the universes a chance to fight of the Kang Invasion of the multiverses.
20:20 Kang and Loki really pulling out the "You fool I'm four parallel universes ahead of you!". Like that's a joke people use to make fun how dumb anime can get. These writers though thought it was the coolest shit ever.
I genuinely cannot believe that “Infinite timelines are infinite” is supposed to be the dark, shocking twist that shows all our heroes’ efforts are in vain. Seriously, I mean… SERIOUSLY?! You have only JUST figured out that the multiverse not only allows but *necessitates* infinite possibilities and universes once the artificial limits have been removed? That wasn’t something you were already taking into account - as if we also wouldn’t accept an “infinity loop” or something being added into the loom would account for this, there are absolutely no limits or consistency to this at all so there’s no reason you can’t just do that. I have just been staring into space for several minutes at the stupidity of this revelation. There’s no way they wrote this and thought this was appropriate for a season ending twist after the travesty they put us through. Once again, I didn’t spend a penny on this and I still feel like I want my money back.
Since they introduced the Temporal Loom, I couldn't help but wonder, "How do you load the infinite strands of the multiverse into it for it to begin working?" and now I can say for certain, they never even thought about it.
Thank you. They say that the loom can't handle infinite timelines when that was literally its only purpose for INFINITY before that moment. Like it literally HAS to handle infinite timelines. That's all it does.
Bet they also didn’t think about how it would take infinite power to handle the infinite strands. With what this shows, Loki should have never been able to be defeated.
@@denkerbosu3551The verbage is meaningless. The original loom took in infinite alternate realities, regardless of what it did with them. That is its entire purpose. It is loaded with infinity. Period.
14:44 so Loki spent centuries learning physics and at no point did the concept of infinity ever pop up? And at no point did he realize the only way to contain infinity is a larger infinity?
I know I'm betting against the odds here, but the end MIGHT be closer than anybody thinks. It could be that the showrunners are already contemplating slowing the whole saga down to a stop (or, more probably a trickle) IF profits don't rise back to a desired minimum. They'll never publicly admit it's over, of course. They'll start by quietly cancelling various productions, and slowly let the released films catch up to what's left of the announced slate, hoping nobody notices the end creeping up on them before it happens. From there, just to keep Marvel Studios open for a while, it'll be down to one, MAYBE two films every three years. Mostly isolated projects, very little in the way of continuity. And if even those fail to generate interest, the studio folds. To paraphrase The (Not)Mandarin, "You'll never see the end coming."
So, Sylvie basically forced Loki to give up his life and take on the eternal burden of controlling everyone and everything in the multiverse because she was too stubborn to not kill someone and couldn't possibly be talked out of doing that, even when she was told multiple times that doing so would mean that everyone and everything that ever lived and ever would live would be erased from existence? Why do people like Sylvie at the end of the series? How could you like that person?
My respect for Efap increases with each MCU show or movie. There's no way I can ever get through these on my way. Its pure horror and pain. Dying seems more interesting than this.
@@rogerrubio9540 Rags is the Miss Minutes of EFAP. Every time he speaks, you wish he would stop, or that he hadn't spoken at all. That sounds mean, almost, but not completely true. He's been funny on occasion. I don't remember specifics on when, how, or the context. But I do remember my shock and surprise when I had to begrudgingly say, alright that was funny, I'll give him that one. But again, too few and far between. Rags only added value to the show when Wolf was a regular, and that was only because Wolf would say the things I was thinking, and rip into Rags when he went off on tangents, or said something especially stupid. Which was often. If there was an option to watch an edited version of EFAP that cut all of Rags, I'd always, and happily choose that one.
37:27 "It's weird that Loki's not here" Uh, show, did you forget? Sylvie *IS* Loki, a female variant of him! Which makes it extremely dumb that he never just floomped backwards into HER to stop the stabbing directly.
@@humanbeans4498 I'm a little confused by timelines, variants and multiverses. If variants are from different timelines, couldn't Loki time floomp to the alternate timeline from where it branched off from his timeline through however many splinters, ultimately floomping into his variant self? If variants are from different universes in the multiverse, it's probably not as simple but I'm not sure if it's entirely impossible since the variants can interact with one another in the same universe, meaning that the universes are connected in some way.
@humanbeans4498 Then the question is if Loki can time whatever into alternate versions of himself and not just previous versions of him that we have seen. Although even if he can't, that doesn't negate the list of possibilities in how he could've stopped her from stabbing him.
As someone who didn’t watch the show but was just casually scrolling through Insta/YT when the show came out, THIS was the image everyone loved to post. Loki shrouded in green with his Avengers-esque crown with a triumphant and victorious look on his face. This was the episode everyone universally seemed to agree made Loki better than ever before and put his character to heights never before reached in the MCU. I can’t wait to see exactly why that interpretation was so catastrophically wrong when I realise what’s actually going on here… if indeed I actually do understand. 😂
@@lordofthepizzapie9319don’t worry, Hardy from last week’s comment section will come by to tell you “it was explained twice”. He won’t tell you what those explanations were though.
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 why? Because they can't use Kang anymore so they need something to justify the multiverse nonsense they both can't move on with yet can't move on without yeah, i know it's a meta reason, but there is no reason contained within the show. The resolution is literally the creation of the deus ex machina.
You don’t understand, Metal; if _Sylvie_ had been given Loki’s time-floomping powers, instead, she’d have figured everything out faster, more efficiently, and also been able to baleet Kang while also preserving all the timelines, because she’s just _so darn good at everything._
It would be way better if Loki couldn't stop Sylvie without being forced to kill her, and that's why he kept resetting. Loki should logically have no way of losing a fight he can replay infinite times. Man literally has save states.
It's a fixed point in time. Silvie is meant to win, the only way to stop her is to kill her which Loki contemplates and even goes back in time once he's able to control the time slippage to talk to her and let her know that it's the only way to save the sacred timeline, and she tells him to do it if he can live with the fact that he'd be erasing free will and would condemn them all in the process, Loki decides to instead sacrifice himself by using his life force and magic to hold the timelines in place and freeing his friends but at the cost of never being able to be a part of their lives since he's essentially the god of time now. I thought the show made this quite obvious?
@FriendlyDarkwraith yea. that is what it was. that was very obvious. he didn't want to kill her because of his weird selfcest love for her. or at the least his whole plan is to save her and he realises that the only way to save all of his friends is to kill one of them, which is a contradiction. they really could've toyed with that more. its a really interesting story. maybe if it wasn't part of the MCU, it was just a one-off original story, and the entire film/show was about a character with spaghetti time abilities (spaghettilities, if you will) groundhog daying his life to try and stop the worst say of his life, ending in the sacrifice of himself. maybe have an arc of selfish to selfless, coward to hero, something like that. loki didn't make it as beautiful as it could've been. mostly because sylvie fucking sucks and I want her to die but oh well
@@DJ-dj2xl It's not a fixed point in time because Loki changes things slightly every time he goes back so the time coordinate of Silvie's victory shifts back and forwards. Loki is simply too weak. If it was a fixed point in time then how would Loki be able to kill Silvie? Wouldn't such an action change this fixed point in time?
I didn’t think that getting the context for why people are praising the season finale of this show would confuse me even more as to why people like it, but here we are
Thinking on it, I know they couldn't get Thor in this, but it's weird that Loki never even thought to say goodbye to his brother. Keep in mind, this Loki would want to apologise to him or something. This Loki is portrayed as being deeply regretful for what he did, and he would want some closure with Thor because he didn't get it.
No no you forgot about him watching his version in the mainline movies and sapping all that character growth for himself and becoming the loki we knew before
@@malthael966 I didn't forget. I meant that he would have seen all of the things that 'he' did and have seen the pain that he caused others, notably Thor. This Loki is clearly regretful for what he did in Avengers, so, it would make sense for him, once he's free to do what he wants, to visit Thor and be like "Hey, uh, the other me died and I'm a variant of his and... look, it doesn't matter. I just wanted to say that I'm sorry and you don't need to feel guilty for how things worked out between us. I was a total brat." It's weird that he's willing to go to such great lengths for OB, but won't even say hello to his brother. You can't give him a new characterisation that would make him into the kind of character that would want closure with his brother and then just not do that. Even just a mention of "I wish that I could see my brother. I wonder what he's doing right now," would be better than just not acknowledging it. It's also weird that one of the only times they mention Thor is when Loki is like "Yeah, my brother's cool. Not Baldur, though, most people don't even know he exists, and he never got to say goodbye to Odin. That would have been an awkward conversation if me or Thor ever talked to that loser," and the biggest mention he gets is from that kid Loki who is apparently the best of all of the Loki variants because he killed Thor. That was kind of lame. Like, great, Kid Loki, you probably killed your brother when he was a weak little kid like you, that surely makes you the best Loki.
You know when you have a really weird dream, and when you wake up you remember some random detail but have no idea of what you dreamed about? This is what this feels like to me
I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching OB and Loki send Victor alone to put the super futuristic space suit on. Like this dude is from the 19th century yet they trust him to know how to put on what is essentially an astronaut suit. Most people in modern times probably couldnt put an astronaut suit on without some kind of instructions
Remember when the entire purpose of Season 1 was to set up Loki's struggle against Kang attempting to create an evil TVA to rule the mulviverse, and the plot of the next season was to fix a big machine that never existed before? Did they literally just throw out the plot of the second season for no reason?
"What's the value of people around you if you can just reset anytime you want?" That's a great question Rags. I know he's quite critical of anime(rightly so, most of it is abject garbage), but boy oh boy is there a great show called Re:Zero that deals partly with that question and many others!
Honestly came to my mind aswell, it does the Groundhog Day trope very well, especially focussing on the fact that he is resetting his relationships aswell as the state of things. MC even gets killed directly and indirectly by people that could be benevolent towards him. It is heartbreaking to watch and keeps in line with what could have been done with Loki in this season, giving characters like Renslayer (what a name btw) and Timely some real purpose, as Loki could bring them to his side, but also be foiled by her. Her plotline and that of the psycho Clock AI went nowhere as it stands.
This is like, the one time that phrase is actually accurate. Because nothing is explained, nor is it coherent to understand intuitively. He was only able to fix things now because [citation needed].
Isn't it --convenient-- easy to write that good Loki didn't adjust anything in the timeline with his new control and left everything to the designs of Kang the insane psychopath?
Why would he change anything when the whole point was to give them free will and allow the timelines to branch? If he got involved he'd become just another Kang shaping the timelines to his will.
@@DJ-dj2xl But he did make changes, allowing his coworkers to pursue their passions (somehow without changing other things) when he could have done things like stopping Thanos and saving Tony or saving his beloved father's life.
@@KayronTheFifth That's just a technicality though. Loki had to get involved once, in order to change Kang's system and create his own which is based on free will which allows his co-workers to live their lives, but once that change is made he can no longer get involved from that moment onwards otherwise he'd be going back on his original decision. And yes it means that he won't be helping against villains, some timelines will suffer because the villains will win while in others the heroes win and save those timelines, but that's the price of Loki's new structure. It would be like asking a Priest why God doesn't get involved when bad things happen to good people. If there is a season 3 or if he appears in further movies they might explore these moral and philosophical questions further, a good script writer certainly would.
He could have literally sidestepped the whole "can't defeat Sylvie to save He Who Remains" issue by going back to the point just before he got pruned and thus set up the whole path that led them both to end up at the End Of Time in the first place
@@snickersbaja7706 You mean by traveling to the start of the day and taking her weapon so she can't use it in the fight or time jumping her to later in the day? Heck, pause her in time until you figure out what to do with Kang, do it, then unpause her...
@@nodot17 It is the main focus of the game. Well it is the very core of the game but it is hidden. Just because you can playthrough the game and completely miss it, does not mean it is not the essential core of the grander narrative thr game is going for.
The Loom doesn't work with infinite branching? So how did it **EVER** work in the first place? This is the least amount of infinity it could be combining. How was it ever built before?
The only way they could possibly explain it, is if it was “ever-expanding” but the _rate_ at which it does is different. Adding one sand grain to a pile every day forever would be “infinity”, but it’s also way different than doing it every minute. That’s the only way it could make sense because “infinity” is present in both scenarios, so it has to be a different variable. They could still do this with the (albeit stupid) way the story is currently written. Loki’s decision at the end of season 1 gives everyone free will, which multiplies the amount of timeline branches. They then try to fix it over the course of season 2, and at the end Loki sacrifices himself so everyone can have free will like he wanted. Instead, the characters (and likely writers, lol) don’t know why the loom can’t handle infinite timelines when it did already, or even quantify how “infinity” is somehow now _more_ “infinity” than before. Then Loki is able to avoid being melted because [citation needed] or able to handle managing all these timelines, especially when like Thor he can die. He just lives longer than most creatures. Which means the problem will come up again once he dies.
In one of the endings to the Steins;Gate visual novel the MC is in a time loop for so long he starts thinking stuff like it might be ok to let his friend die just so something new and interesting would happen. That was great.
@@denkerbosu3551 - Haven't gotten around to Re:zero, but from what I gathered from osmosis, but didn't that anime have 'checkpoints' and wasn't an entire season of a single day or so?
Dude, loki has relit🔥 the fire of ambition in mankind's heart! He finna bout to roll up to sans undertale and say "Im the TSM of all time" and turned him to dust. Then he tell the onceler, "you kil tree? I'm always tree" and Then he become legend, god of storytelling! Marvel is still suffering from its ketamine addiction! I check on them in rehab every week!
I have no idea what tree Loki does. The options were ditch the loom, multiversal war, or keep the loom, no free will. So somehow Loki must be doing the good parts of both. He's keeping free will, but he's stopping the war. My only guess is he's seeing all timelines forever and if one becomes a danger to other timelines, Loki snips it or tweaks it or does something to stop the threat. So long as a timeline doesn't make itself a threat to OTHER timelines, Loki let's them be. So if Thanos gets the stones and snaps half the universe, Loki leaves it to the Avengers, but if Thanos gets the stones to fire his laser at another timeline, Loki destroys the timeline. That's my biggest brain guess, cause they don't actually explain shit. The problem with that is. THERE'S ALREADY A CHARACTER IN MARVEL THAT DOES THIS! He's called the Living Tribunal, he oversees every timeline, he's the One Above All's right hand in the multiverse, and he's incredibly powerful. If he judges a timeline is too far gone, he can annihilate it to protect the rest of the multiverse. Generally he doesn't do anything and it's the people living in the universes who need to handle their own shit. He's the impetuous for people doing it themselves. Either do all you can to beat the bad guy, or god's judge will just destroy everything. Why is LOKI doing that? Does this mean Yggdrasil doesn't exist? Like Loki is the world tree now? Well that fucks up some more cosmology! They've never even glanced at the comics.
Fuuuuuuck they could have used this to get rid of Kang from the MCU. With the bullshit in the first episode about Loki disappearing from all time lines unless he was retrieved, they easily could have made up some equal level of bullshit to delete all the Kangs. Or for an evil Chad Loki finish, intercut a growing, evil smirk with different versions of Kang disappearing (they have enough footage of him to poorly CGI that), maybe even replacing him with extra Lokis. If they wanted anything meaningful for Sylvie, Loki could have proofed her to Asgard, to find a family that might care for her. What even was this? I'm usually happy to watch so I get to look at Hiddleston, but I tapped out after 1 episode.
@@virtualrealityfitness283 yee but this Kang ain't it. And they have to get rid of the actor (though I can't remember if that decision was made before this season aired)
Listening to you guys try to reason out what the tree means 😂 I can guarantee you're putting more thought into it for those few minutes than the writers did
Man I don't even know what the loom fucking does. It can't be the thing that keeps the branches together, because that's what pruning is for, and it can't be the thing that splits them apart because that's not what they want to be happening (and it's a loom, so obviously it's not splitting, but joining). Also, why can't the loom handle infinity? Did it not just do that for EVER? Nothing in this series makes any fucking sense.
The visuals of Loki, the God of Stories, becoming the one who guards/nurtures the various timelines in a giant tree-shaped web is pretty brilliant. The name Loki likely originates from the Germanic 'luk-' which has to do with knots or loops. A cobweb/spider web is also known as a 'lokkanät' or 'lokkenet' (Loki's web) in some Scandinavian languages. I mean, it makes sense, and then the Yggdrassil imagery on top. Sure, why not. Branches and whatnot. But... I just wish the two seasons leading up to it were better, and that this Loki had actually earned his glorious purpose. This is 2012 Avengers Loki who just invaded New York, killed a bunch of people, and then escaped to another timeline with the tesseract. This isn't the Loki who redeemed himself and became a hero - that guy got his neck snapped by Thanos in Infinity War. This Loki was a villain a couple of weeks (and a century?) ago. He hasn't earned shit.
This was the most baffling episode of TV I’ve ever watched. How did loki make time Yggdrasil? How did loki know he could do that? Why is loki so pathetic he is literally unable to beat sylvie even with power of foresight on his side after enough encounters? Why did the timelines die when the loom broke when timelines existed before the loom was created? How is it possible for all timelines to die, and the tva still exist even if it’s “outside of space and time” considering it requires people from the timelines to form the tva? The list can go on far longer, but it’s clear I’ve put more thought into this than Disney did so fuck it.
8:55 It was an incredibly interesting montage. When Stargate SG-1 Did it in the episode "Window of Opportunity" in which two characters were stuck in a time loop and were the only ones who remembered the events from the previous loops.
Apparently, Sylvia is the single most important character in the universe. Because Loki is willing to sacrifice himself, than kill her to stop reality from existing.
The funny thing about Mobius' speech to Loki is how Loki already fucking knew that lesson because he was the one who decided to hoodwink goddamn Thanos at the last minute to save Thor in Infinity War when he could have just saved himself!
To Loki, or not to Loki? That is the question- Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of Kangrageous fortune, Or to (literally) take arms against a sea of timelines, And, by opposing, end them? To die, to sleep- No more-and by a sleep to say we end The heartache and the thousand natural shocks That watching the MCU is heir to-’tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished! To die, to sleep. To sleep, perchance to dream-ay, there’s the rub, For in that sleep of death wet dreams may come When we MCustans have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause. There’s the respect That makes calamity of so long a continuity. For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, Th’ TVA's’s wrongs, Ravona Renslayer’s contumely, The pangs of Miss Minutes love, good writing’s delay, The insolence of Disney, and the spurns That patient chat of th’ unworthy takes, When Whedon himself might his justice make With a pirated Final Draft Pro? Who would MCU fans bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after the MCU's death, The undiscovered country from whose bourn No traveler returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought, And Secret Wars of great pitch and moment With this regard their currents turn awry, And lose the name of action. -Soft you now chat, Here come the unfair Marvels! -Nymphs, in thy orisons Be all my sins remembered. - Lokilet, Act 3, Scene 1
Legit question.... what does this entire narrative have to do with Loki? What about this nonsense makes it so that Loki has to be the center of it? None of it deals with his magic power, heritage, inter galactic inter pantheon conflict. It's literally just Loki cause he was popular.
Brand recognition, Tom Hiddleston was fine continuing with the MCU (unlike some actors with Endgame), and they needed Disney+ content. How any of that works is tossed onto staff who don’t know or care what they do, and unfortunately, neither does the audience as simply, existing is enough for a lot of them. Or was anyway.
I know we accept that Loki is a god becasue he's Odin's adopted son. But like can he live as long as a god? He is a frost giant, not the actual same god spieces as Thor.
Didn't the frost giants noted that Odin have grown old in the first thor or am i tripping ? Mayve the giants have even better longevity than asgard gods *shrug*. Probably still not immortal so it doesn't matter.
@@slaapt True , but Odin had no interaction with the giants for a long ass time and they still recognized he grew old, potentially implying they had known him differently. As i said i'm just making ass theories, it's useless anyway. if the giants were immortal, it would have been mentioned so loki will still die one day wheter he have the same or lower/ greater longevity as asgard gods,wich was the original point.
"What if they dedicated a whole episode to him doing this over and over again?" So... Heaven Sent? At least in that wonderful episode there was an actual reason why the Doctor's personality didn't change over the millions of years...
Groundhog Day stories are a really great trope to not only explore your protagonist, but also put him through hardship, setbacks, and loss, to push them to their limits. It is also a trope that does not need a lot in terms of setup, location, or even characters. This should have been the focus from the get-go for Loki, setting up the idea in the first episode, paying it off in the second, and then repeating it throughout the season to reach this point. Instead it felt like they kept the looping part hidden until the 5th episode, while teasing different time traveling tropes (see Loki pruning himself). This really felt like a mess of ideas, with some of them actually neat, that just does not make even a lick of sense.
That beginning is disgusting. They’re making fun of the fact there’s no stakes becuz Loki can time travel at will. BUT THATS A BAD THING!! I hate this show
Season 1 fucked everything up. Season 2 pretty much put everything back to the way it was before season 1, including restoring people's free will because Loki is now keeping the timelines going instead of them being pruned by the loom. As a whole, it's complete nonsense. But at least season 2 tried to undo the damage that season 1 did and more or less succeeded (?)
In what way is Loki needed to keep the timelines going...? He's the *new* loom. If the goal is for the timelines to be free, then he isn't sitting there wrangling them. They are already free. That's the entire concept of a multiverse. That is how time existed immemorial before Kang. Multiversal free timelines is the DEFAULT.
If Loki is the centered of literally everything, can he not view into infinite timelines to amuse himself? Also, why can he not move from there? He just needs to be a center point. Wherever he moves, can it not? And can people visit him? Is the radiation still a problem? Will the shits not protect them from radiation?
OMG THE SCREEN CHANGED AGGAAIINNN!!!!! god that timeline screen truly encompasses this whole series ever since the S1 E1 it has never been consistent with what the visual is of the timelines and its branches, just such a simple concept make a screen that shows time and stays the same but no they even could do that xD
I made a post on plotholes reddit after season 1 aired about some issues I noticed and one of the defenses was that everything will make sense in season 2.
This show is like fireworks. It looks pretty, destroys absolutely everything, and is forgotten immediately.
Would that make Disney Merry and Pippin or Gandalf?
'Destroys everything'...after Madame Web called a warehouse filled with fireworks 'an explosive factory', I now believe that.
That's such a good analogy, nice!
Wow what a perfect analogy
I like to think the Loki show is the path to inner peace. If you let go of all words, time, and space, you can achieve enlightenment.
Mind you, you won’t have anything else left, so you might as well call the nothingness you will feel enlightenment.
I don't get why Sylvie is the one to say 'Feels different without Loki'. She spent every waking moment wishing Loki would fq off. She only changed her mind and decide to join Loki when she watched her favourite music store get floomped.
Floomps and loops
…and she IS Loki too. 🤷🏻♂️
@@misterjohn2
yea never understood that. why does she have a different name?
Loki was her name when she was a slave to the patriarchy, sylvie is her free name. 🤣
@@irishbob26 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“So what happens in that Loki show?”
“Oh, Loki doesn’t want to kill his girl self so he breaks a loom and becomes a tree maybe.”
So Fire Punch?
Christ, at least Thanos only wanted to kill half of one universe. Sylvie wanted to destroy all of infinity.
More like she doesn’t care if she does.
@@nathanjora7627 More like she doesn't know what infinity is.
Summary:
- everyone in the show is so stupid it took them 2 seasons (+several centuries) to realise what infinity means
- Kang know everything that would happened after he died and the hole second season was just filer
- Sylvi's brain is so revenge rooted she'll kill Kang even if it kill all of reality
- Loki decided to Loki ALL OVER ALL THE TIMELINES creating a tree
. . . that somehow fixes everything
They just forgot what infinity is, and then forgot at the end of the show again lmao.
@@italianspiderman5012loki-tree must be infinitely scalable.
Sticking with the idea that Loki stayed evil, he could still be a heroic protagonist by motivating him with destroying preditermination. Imagine the wrath he'd feel if he was told that all his own schemes were completely out of his control.
But whatever. A show for a better timeline.
I infinitely would prefer this.
This Sylvie thing might be the shitties timeloop I've ever seen.
How fucking far we've fallen since "Dormamu, I've come to bargain!"
Sylvie: "Who are you to say we can't die trying?!"
TELL THAT TO THE MULTIVERSES SNAPPED NECK!!
Sylvie is the most selfish character I've seen in fiction, with the most undeserved ending ever.
She refused to budge on killing Kang because she couldn't have her "freedom" while he's alive, and in the end someone else had to make a sacrifice because of it.
And then she just gets what she wants in the end.
She's actually worse than Reva and that's fucking impressive.
They really keep one-upping themselves...
A woman being selfish and entitled? Color me shocked.
The writers read about Norse Loki ending up being tied to a tree, then watched Game of Thrones where there was a demi-god man grown into a tree, and mashed them together.
Brave of you to assume they can read
@@lore_shards *watched a UA-cam essay
@@Shockguey *watched a UA-cam Short essay
You think they have the attention span to watch a ten minute essay?
Norse Loki was never tied to a tree, though?
He was at some point bound to rocks with the guts of Nari, his son, and a snake set to drip venom onto his face.
@@KaNoMikoProductions It's in the comics. It's the Isle of Silence where he was imprisoned SUPER early on. It looks exactly like this tree thing. The reason the Avengers first formed was part of Loki's plot to break him out.
I have stumbled upon several UA-cam shorts about Loki turning into the tree. The people commenting on them seemed genuinely moved by Loki becoming the tree, and wrote grand sweeping paragraphs about how amazing it was, and how well it concluded his character. Mainly because he had a throne, and he talked about thrones sometimes in the movies. This confused me then, and now that I have a little more context, it REALLY confuses me.
Same, I saw all those posts and just assumed I was missing some context that explained it. But now I'm more confused.
I always figured Loki's arc would be either self sacrifice for Asgard or benevolent rule over Jotunheim.
We sure forgot about the other realms huh?
If this was a villainous Loki, I could see why that would be the case. It’d be like a dark inversion of the Loki we were first introduced to in Thor who went down a path of self reflection ending with his sacrifice in Infinity War, but now he’s gone the other way and become a malevolent autocrat with far more power than he ever could have dreamt of when he was merely the prince of Asgard.
But this show has gone to great pains to show that the character we’ve been following is a good guy who just wants to help his friends and save people, not conquer or dominate. So how is becoming a time god a fitting ending for this character? If anything, he should be more selfless than the “main” Loki who died to Thanos.
As they said, it’s just pure nonsense and by thinking about it, you put in more effort than the writers did. 😂
Its people trying to sound smart because we don't know the implications, we have no idea of the emotional weight, we don't even know how this came about.
Forspoken made more sense than this and that game was nonsense.
from the start He always wanted a throne, the irony is, that he truly was Burdened with Glorious Purposes, he sacrificed the one thing he was truly afraid of (being alone, as when he spoke with Silvie in ep5) he is now the loom, he is the one given the universes a chance to fight of the Kang Invasion of the multiverses.
20:20 Kang and Loki really pulling out the "You fool I'm four parallel universes ahead of you!".
Like that's a joke people use to make fun how dumb anime can get. These writers though thought it was the coolest shit ever.
Reminds me of Aizen's "It's all a part of my plan" meme or all of Mayuri's fights in Bleach anime.
@@camillecunningham7348 also the ridiculous heist episode of Rick and Morty
@@camillecunningham7348 tbf. Mayuri's plans were mostly good.
Aizen's a meme, yeah, but his plans were mostly believable.
So Female Loki convinces Loki to give up his own life. Cool.
Just like marriage, where fun goes to die.
Hmph. Women
@@FriendlyDarkwraith like to believe at least some women love their husbands more than the entire half the fucking planet.
More like he decides to die after being tired of talking to her.
Lol
So basically, Loki becomes the Lorax and becomes forgotten...
Sounds about right
I genuinely cannot believe that “Infinite timelines are infinite” is supposed to be the dark, shocking twist that shows all our heroes’ efforts are in vain.
Seriously, I mean… SERIOUSLY?! You have only JUST figured out that the multiverse not only allows but *necessitates* infinite possibilities and universes once the artificial limits have been removed? That wasn’t something you were already taking into account - as if we also wouldn’t accept an “infinity loop” or something being added into the loom would account for this, there are absolutely no limits or consistency to this at all so there’s no reason you can’t just do that.
I have just been staring into space for several minutes at the stupidity of this revelation. There’s no way they wrote this and thought this was appropriate for a season ending twist after the travesty they put us through. Once again, I didn’t spend a penny on this and I still feel like I want my money back.
Since they introduced the Temporal Loom, I couldn't help but wonder, "How do you load the infinite strands of the multiverse into it for it to begin working?" and now I can say for certain, they never even thought about it.
Thank you. They say that the loom can't handle infinite timelines when that was literally its only purpose for INFINITY before that moment. Like it literally HAS to handle infinite timelines. That's all it does.
Bet they also didn’t think about how it would take infinite power to handle the infinite strands. With what this shows, Loki should have never been able to be defeated.
@@asxulxetesteronsxez538Well not necessarily,you can have infinite power and still be weaker,kinda like a menger spongee
@@Necromancer4267 "handle" as in, it cut all the others off, leaving only the sacred one.
@@denkerbosu3551The verbage is meaningless. The original loom took in infinite alternate realities, regardless of what it did with them. That is its entire purpose. It is loaded with infinity. Period.
"I promise you this will make sense" deserves to forever go down as a meme with this show and the MCU as a whole. Never let that line be forgotten.
I also really like the line "Is there anything we could've done differently."
People acting like the mcu made sense before.
@@tomgu2285 It did. It honestly did make sense at one point. The moment we got Time Travel shenanigans of Infinity War, we started down the path.
Looks like Loki can’t even piss, standin’ up.
Wdym standing up?
Bro can't even unzip his pants
When you've been kicked in the dick as many times as Loki, you wouldn't be able to piss standing either
Poor man :[
@@lordsemen489it's a reference
@@lordsemen489 smh it’s a BvS reference you nitwit
His wife walked on him
14:44 so Loki spent centuries learning physics and at no point did the concept of infinity ever pop up? And at no point did he realize the only way to contain infinity is a larger infinity?
Very good point.
"I attack with infinite damage" "Jokes on you, my defense is infinity +1"
After all that, makes you wonder what Season Tree will be about.
The writers confirmed there wont be a season 3, thank fuck
I need to see the writer’s brain just to see how smooth it is.
Is that what's going on when you see one of those people with a skull that's perfectly flat in the back?
For all the deadly sins the DCEU has, at least it’s already ended.
MCU, however, has no end in sight and it keeps going on without a direction.
MCU is not even in its final shyty form, future hold much more cringe. As the spider foretold off course
Yeah dceu is dead goodness. Can mcu d13 too
I know I'm betting against the odds here, but the end MIGHT be closer than anybody thinks. It could be that the showrunners are already contemplating slowing the whole saga down to a stop (or, more probably a trickle) IF profits don't rise back to a desired minimum.
They'll never publicly admit it's over, of course. They'll start by quietly cancelling various productions, and slowly let the released films catch up to what's left of the announced slate, hoping nobody notices the end creeping up on them before it happens.
From there, just to keep Marvel Studios open for a while, it'll be down to one, MAYBE two films every three years. Mostly isolated projects, very little in the way of continuity. And if even those fail to generate interest, the studio folds.
To paraphrase The (Not)Mandarin, "You'll never see the end coming."
At least the DCEU has free will.
@@JekPorkbricks anti life equation?
So, Sylvie basically forced Loki to give up his life and take on the eternal burden of controlling everyone and everything in the multiverse because she was too stubborn to not kill someone and couldn't possibly be talked out of doing that, even when she was told multiple times that doing so would mean that everyone and everything that ever lived and ever would live would be erased from existence?
Why do people like Sylvie at the end of the series? How could you like that person?
My respect for Efap increases with each MCU show or movie. There's no way I can ever get through these on my way. Its pure horror and pain. Dying seems more interesting than this.
The show, yes. With Rags, no.
wait what's wrong with Rags
Seriously. This is the only way I can tolerate these shows.
@@rogerrubio9540 he's an acquired taste, that you can get tired of at times, but normally can return to after some time.
@@rogerrubio9540 Rags is the Miss Minutes of EFAP. Every time he speaks, you wish he would stop, or that he hadn't spoken at all. That sounds mean, almost, but not completely true. He's been funny on occasion. I don't remember specifics on when, how, or the context. But I do remember my shock and surprise when I had to begrudgingly say, alright that was funny, I'll give him that one. But again, too few and far between.
Rags only added value to the show when Wolf was a regular, and that was only because Wolf would say the things I was thinking, and rip into Rags when he went off on tangents, or said something especially stupid. Which was often.
If there was an option to watch an edited version of EFAP that cut all of Rags, I'd always, and happily choose that one.
37:27 "It's weird that Loki's not here"
Uh, show, did you forget? Sylvie *IS* Loki, a female variant of him! Which makes it extremely dumb that he never just floomped backwards into HER to stop the stabbing directly.
God this show is dumb
... but sylvie isn't this loki, how the fuck would you rewind time to you being someone else?
@@humanbeans4498 I'm a little confused by timelines, variants and multiverses. If variants are from different timelines, couldn't Loki time floomp to the alternate timeline from where it branched off from his timeline through however many splinters, ultimately floomping into his variant self? If variants are from different universes in the multiverse, it's probably not as simple but I'm not sure if it's entirely impossible since the variants can interact with one another in the same universe, meaning that the universes are connected in some way.
@humanbeans4498 Then the question is if Loki can time whatever into alternate versions of himself and not just previous versions of him that we have seen. Although even if he can't, that doesn't negate the list of possibilities in how he could've stopped her from stabbing him.
After "Marvel's What if", now we have "Marvel's Whatever".
As someone who didn’t watch the show but was just casually scrolling through Insta/YT when the show came out, THIS was the image everyone loved to post. Loki shrouded in green with his Avengers-esque crown with a triumphant and victorious look on his face. This was the episode everyone universally seemed to agree made Loki better than ever before and put his character to heights never before reached in the MCU.
I can’t wait to see exactly why that interpretation was so catastrophically wrong when I realise what’s actually going on here… if indeed I actually do understand. 😂
When it comes to what happened in this episode I'm lost in a way that isn't even possible to explain or rectify.
Why? Just why?
@@lordofthepizzapie9319don’t worry, Hardy from last week’s comment section will come by to tell you “it was explained twice”.
He won’t tell you what those explanations were though.
Loki becomes a tree that holds time together.
The thing is, the idea sounds cool but everything leading up to it is so nonsensical that it makes such a sacrifice completely meaningless
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 why?
Because they can't use Kang anymore so they need something to justify the multiverse nonsense they both can't move on with yet can't move on without
yeah, i know it's a meta reason, but there is no reason contained within the show. The resolution is literally the creation of the deus ex machina.
I can’t stand Kang’s speech patterns holy shit
Hiddleson is married to the villain of The Marvels so he probably has watched it.
If I was part of the Marvels I don't think I'd ask my spouse to watch it. That shit's embarassing
"Hi honey, how was your day at work?"
"Ugh, terrible, nothing made sense and the writers were drunk. How was yours?"
"You just described it."
Oof.
You don’t understand, Metal; if _Sylvie_ had been given Loki’s time-floomping powers, instead, she’d have figured everything out faster, more efficiently, and also been able to baleet Kang while also preserving all the timelines, because she’s just _so darn good at everything._
Infinite tries and Loki can still never defeat his female self. I hate shows written by supremacists. They're extremely predictable.
It would be way better if Loki couldn't stop Sylvie without being forced to kill her, and that's why he kept resetting. Loki should logically have no way of losing a fight he can replay infinite times. Man literally has save states.
It's a fixed point in time. Silvie is meant to win, the only way to stop her is to kill her which Loki contemplates and even goes back in time once he's able to control the time slippage to talk to her and let her know that it's the only way to save the sacred timeline, and she tells him to do it if he can live with the fact that he'd be erasing free will and would condemn them all in the process, Loki decides to instead sacrifice himself by using his life force and magic to hold the timelines in place and freeing his friends but at the cost of never being able to be a part of their lives since he's essentially the god of time now. I thought the show made this quite obvious?
@@DJ-dj2xl What verbal diarrhea nonsense are you spewing out?
@FriendlyDarkwraith
yea. that is what it was. that was very obvious. he didn't want to kill her because of his weird selfcest love for her. or at the least his whole plan is to save her and he realises that the only way to save all of his friends is to kill one of them, which is a contradiction.
they really could've toyed with that more. its a really interesting story. maybe if it wasn't part of the MCU, it was just a one-off original story, and the entire film/show was about a character with spaghetti time abilities (spaghettilities, if you will) groundhog daying his life to try and stop the worst say of his life, ending in the sacrifice of himself. maybe have an arc of selfish to selfless, coward to hero, something like that.
loki didn't make it as beautiful as it could've been. mostly because sylvie fucking sucks and I want her to die but oh well
@@DJ-dj2xl It's not a fixed point in time because Loki changes things slightly every time he goes back so the time coordinate of Silvie's victory shifts back and forwards. Loki is simply too weak.
If it was a fixed point in time then how would Loki be able to kill Silvie? Wouldn't such an action change this fixed point in time?
he turned himself into a tree, morty
I didn’t think that getting the context for why people are praising the season finale of this show would confuse me even more as to why people like it, but here we are
You haven't watched the show.
they are Loki fangirls, of course anything that he will do would make them "emotional"
@@TheHardys01 you haven't thought about the show.
@@TheHardys01 you haven’t even looked at the show.
I love y'all too.
Y'all should go re-watch the react War streams.
It seems you have forgotten something...
Loki really pulled an asdf and said "Tree powers, activate!"
Glorious Loki is the only glorious purpose that brings glorious joy to my life
Thinking on it, I know they couldn't get Thor in this, but it's weird that Loki never even thought to say goodbye to his brother.
Keep in mind, this Loki would want to apologise to him or something. This Loki is portrayed as being deeply regretful for what he did, and he would want some closure with Thor because he didn't get it.
He never even said goodbye to his mother, whose death he felt extreme regret and sorrow over unwittingly causing
No no you forgot about him watching his version in the mainline movies and sapping all that character growth for himself and becoming the loki we knew before
@@malthael966 I didn't forget. I meant that he would have seen all of the things that 'he' did and have seen the pain that he caused others, notably Thor. This Loki is clearly regretful for what he did in Avengers, so, it would make sense for him, once he's free to do what he wants, to visit Thor and be like "Hey, uh, the other me died and I'm a variant of his and... look, it doesn't matter. I just wanted to say that I'm sorry and you don't need to feel guilty for how things worked out between us. I was a total brat."
It's weird that he's willing to go to such great lengths for OB, but won't even say hello to his brother. You can't give him a new characterisation that would make him into the kind of character that would want closure with his brother and then just not do that. Even just a mention of "I wish that I could see my brother. I wonder what he's doing right now," would be better than just not acknowledging it.
It's also weird that one of the only times they mention Thor is when Loki is like "Yeah, my brother's cool. Not Baldur, though, most people don't even know he exists, and he never got to say goodbye to Odin. That would have been an awkward conversation if me or Thor ever talked to that loser," and the biggest mention he gets is from that kid Loki who is apparently the best of all of the Loki variants because he killed Thor. That was kind of lame. Like, great, Kid Loki, you probably killed your brother when he was a weak little kid like you, that surely makes you the best Loki.
Loki did not keep his promise. He promised this would all make sense.
He Loki'd all over the multiverse. Peak Fire Bro!
So now we know that Rags's can wreck Loki because he wears Grandma shoes. There is hope!
This is actually what Seinfeld marketed itself as: a show about nothing.
You know when you have a really weird dream, and when you wake up you remember some random detail but have no idea of what you dreamed about? This is what this feels like to me
The first thought I had was "what if he went back before Sylvie killed Kang?"
but apparently Loki didn't thought about this after centuries
I was thinking the exact same thing when I was watching OB and Loki send Victor alone to put the super futuristic space suit on. Like this dude is from the 19th century yet they trust him to know how to put on what is essentially an astronaut suit. Most people in modern times probably couldnt put an astronaut suit on without some kind of instructions
Remember when the entire purpose of Season 1 was to set up Loki's struggle against Kang attempting to create an evil TVA to rule the mulviverse, and the plot of the next season was to fix a big machine that never existed before? Did they literally just throw out the plot of the second season for no reason?
The "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?" is exactly my reaction watching this season.
In this episode Loki literally loki'd all over the place...
All over the time(s), actually 😅
"What's the value of people around you if you can just reset anytime you want?" That's a great question Rags. I know he's quite critical of anime(rightly so, most of it is abject garbage), but boy oh boy is there a great show called Re:Zero that deals partly with that question and many others!
Re:zero is amazing. As far as time travel shows go, it is one of the best. The character writing and arcs are chefs kiss.
Honestly came to my mind aswell, it does the Groundhog Day trope very well, especially focussing on the fact that he is resetting his relationships aswell as the state of things. MC even gets killed directly and indirectly by people that could be benevolent towards him. It is heartbreaking to watch and keeps in line with what could have been done with Loki in this season, giving characters like Renslayer (what a name btw) and Timely some real purpose, as Loki could bring them to his side, but also be foiled by her. Her plotline and that of the psycho Clock AI went nowhere as it stands.
My favorite part was when Loki said "It's Lokiing time" and then Loki-ed all over the loom
This is like, the one time that phrase is actually accurate. Because nothing is explained, nor is it coherent to understand intuitively. He was only able to fix things now because [citation needed].
Its amazing how this show over explains everything and at the same time doesnt explain enough
Isn't it --convenient-- easy to write that good Loki didn't adjust anything in the timeline with his new control and left everything to the designs of Kang the insane psychopath?
Why would he change anything when the whole point was to give them free will and allow the timelines to branch? If he got involved he'd become just another Kang shaping the timelines to his will.
@@DJ-dj2xl But he did make changes, allowing his coworkers to pursue their passions (somehow without changing other things) when he could have done things like stopping Thanos and saving Tony or saving his beloved father's life.
@@KayronTheFifth That's just a technicality though. Loki had to get involved once, in order to change Kang's system and create his own which is based on free will which allows his co-workers to live their lives, but once that change is made he can no longer get involved from that moment onwards otherwise he'd be going back on his original decision. And yes it means that he won't be helping against villains, some timelines will suffer because the villains will win while in others the heroes win and save those timelines, but that's the price of Loki's new structure. It would be like asking a Priest why God doesn't get involved when bad things happen to good people. If there is a season 3 or if he appears in further movies they might explore these moral and philosophical questions further, a good script writer certainly would.
He could have literally sidestepped the whole "can't defeat Sylvie to save He Who Remains" issue by going back to the point just before he got pruned and thus set up the whole path that led them both to end up at the End Of Time in the first place
@@snickersbaja7706 You mean by traveling to the start of the day and taking her weapon so she can't use it in the fight or time jumping her to later in the day? Heck, pause her in time until you figure out what to do with Kang, do it, then unpause her...
So, both seasons of the Loki show were a waste of time.
Undertale does what this shitheap couldn't.
Never played or looked into Undertale. What's the similarity?
The story deals with a players ability to save the game and then reload as if nothing happened.
@@slaapt I mean the game references it wouldn't say its a main focus of the game
@@Shockguey to explain it is to ruin the entire experience of playing Undertale for the first time.
@@nodot17 It is the main focus of the game. Well it is the very core of the game but it is hidden. Just because you can playthrough the game and completely miss it, does not mean it is not the essential core of the grander narrative thr game is going for.
Sitting in a time tree is now the only joy in Loki's life
The Loom doesn't work with infinite branching? So how did it **EVER** work in the first place? This is the least amount of infinity it could be combining. How was it ever built before?
The only way they could possibly explain it, is if it was “ever-expanding” but the _rate_ at which it does is different. Adding one sand grain to a pile every day forever would be “infinity”, but it’s also way different than doing it every minute. That’s the only way it could make sense because “infinity” is present in both scenarios, so it has to be a different variable.
They could still do this with the (albeit stupid) way the story is currently written. Loki’s decision at the end of season 1 gives everyone free will, which multiplies the amount of timeline branches. They then try to fix it over the course of season 2, and at the end Loki sacrifices himself so everyone can have free will like he wanted. Instead, the characters (and likely writers, lol) don’t know why the loom can’t handle infinite timelines when it did already, or even quantify how “infinity” is somehow now _more_ “infinity” than before. Then Loki is able to avoid being melted because [citation needed] or able to handle managing all these timelines, especially when like Thor he can die. He just lives longer than most creatures. Which means the problem will come up again once he dies.
In one of the endings to the Steins;Gate visual novel the MC is in a time loop for so long he starts thinking stuff like it might be ok to let his friend die just so something new and interesting would happen. That was great.
Efap crew : “they could have dedicated an entire season to the loop”
OG weaboos and Haruhi fans : “No, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oh no, the endless 8!
That was a thing that happened, yes.
Re Zero fans be like: YES YES YEEEEES
Disney has no balls to do something like that
@@denkerbosu3551 - Haven't gotten around to Re:zero, but from what I gathered from osmosis, but didn't that anime have 'checkpoints' and wasn't an entire season of a single day or so?
Dude, loki has relit🔥 the fire of ambition in mankind's heart! He finna bout to roll up to sans undertale and say "Im the TSM of all time" and turned him to dust. Then he tell the onceler, "you kil tree? I'm always tree" and Then he become legend, god of storytelling! Marvel is still suffering from its ketamine addiction! I check on them in rehab every week!
I want you to know that I can't stop laughing at this comment, especially the ending. Peak fire bro!
Loki is the only guy that will spend centuries to learn what "infinite" means. Braindead writing.
A lot of shows have filler episodes. _Loki_ might be the first to have a filler season.
I dunno. That one Tennant season where he was off doing Shakespeare was a filler season of Doctor Who.
DBZ had filler seasons...
Rvb has a few filler-esque seasons
Two filler seasons.
The MCU is turning into Naruto
Its great to me that efap has an audience where they they can review a show months after it aired and people are still watching there coverage
I have no idea what tree Loki does. The options were ditch the loom, multiversal war, or keep the loom, no free will.
So somehow Loki must be doing the good parts of both. He's keeping free will, but he's stopping the war. My only guess is he's seeing all timelines forever and if one becomes a danger to other timelines, Loki snips it or tweaks it or does something to stop the threat. So long as a timeline doesn't make itself a threat to OTHER timelines, Loki let's them be. So if Thanos gets the stones and snaps half the universe, Loki leaves it to the Avengers, but if Thanos gets the stones to fire his laser at another timeline, Loki destroys the timeline.
That's my biggest brain guess, cause they don't actually explain shit. The problem with that is.
THERE'S ALREADY A CHARACTER IN MARVEL THAT DOES THIS!
He's called the Living Tribunal, he oversees every timeline, he's the One Above All's right hand in the multiverse, and he's incredibly powerful. If he judges a timeline is too far gone, he can annihilate it to protect the rest of the multiverse. Generally he doesn't do anything and it's the people living in the universes who need to handle their own shit. He's the impetuous for people doing it themselves. Either do all you can to beat the bad guy, or god's judge will just destroy everything.
Why is LOKI doing that? Does this mean Yggdrasil doesn't exist? Like Loki is the world tree now? Well that fucks up some more cosmology! They've never even glanced at the comics.
This deserves up to the top.
Fuuuuuuck they could have used this to get rid of Kang from the MCU. With the bullshit in the first episode about Loki disappearing from all time lines unless he was retrieved, they easily could have made up some equal level of bullshit to delete all the Kangs. Or for an evil Chad Loki finish, intercut a growing, evil smirk with different versions of Kang disappearing (they have enough footage of him to poorly CGI that), maybe even replacing him with extra Lokis.
If they wanted anything meaningful for Sylvie, Loki could have proofed her to Asgard, to find a family that might care for her.
What even was this? I'm usually happy to watch so I get to look at Hiddleston, but I tapped out after 1 episode.
Some people actually like Kang from the comics!
@@virtualrealityfitness283 okay...?
@@virtualrealityfitness283 yee but this Kang ain't it. And they have to get rid of the actor (though I can't remember if that decision was made before this season aired)
Listening to you guys try to reason out what the tree means 😂
I can guarantee you're putting more thought into it for those few minutes than the writers did
This is pretty much Crisis on Infinite Earths, but more expensive and more confusing.
Brooks probably has a similar understanding of this episode as the rest of the cast despite not watching it.
Man I don't even know what the loom fucking does. It can't be the thing that keeps the branches together, because that's what pruning is for, and it can't be the thing that splits them apart because that's not what they want to be happening (and it's a loom, so obviously it's not splitting, but joining). Also, why can't the loom handle infinity? Did it not just do that for EVER?
Nothing in this series makes any fucking sense.
The visuals of Loki, the God of Stories, becoming the one who guards/nurtures the various timelines in a giant tree-shaped web is pretty brilliant. The name Loki likely originates from the Germanic 'luk-' which has to do with knots or loops. A cobweb/spider web is also known as a 'lokkanät' or 'lokkenet' (Loki's web) in some Scandinavian languages. I mean, it makes sense, and then the Yggdrassil imagery on top. Sure, why not. Branches and whatnot. But...
I just wish the two seasons leading up to it were better, and that this Loki had actually earned his glorious purpose. This is 2012 Avengers Loki who just invaded New York, killed a bunch of people, and then escaped to another timeline with the tesseract. This isn't the Loki who redeemed himself and became a hero - that guy got his neck snapped by Thanos in Infinity War. This Loki was a villain a couple of weeks (and a century?) ago. He hasn't earned shit.
It's a cool, thematically poignant payoff with absolutely zero fucking buildup whatsoever.
I hate how much there's *something* here of worth, but its like, scattered amongst shit and grime
Sylvie: "Who are you to decide we cant die trying..."
Me: Hold up who is this "we"!? also Who ARE YOU to decide that, for everyone in existence?
This was the most baffling episode of TV I’ve ever watched. How did loki make time Yggdrasil? How did loki know he could do that? Why is loki so pathetic he is literally unable to beat sylvie even with power of foresight on his side after enough encounters? Why did the timelines die when the loom broke when timelines existed before the loom was created? How is it possible for all timelines to die, and the tva still exist even if it’s “outside of space and time” considering it requires people from the timelines to form the tva? The list can go on far longer, but it’s clear I’ve put more thought into this than Disney did so fuck it.
Did you like pay attention at all??? Or did the whole show flew over your fucking low attention brain???
Remember that time Doctor Strange did this with Dormammu, and it wasn't cringe and terrible?
No.
I've been told Time Travel = Bad
It has grand music and slow zoom/pan shots… so obviously that means it’s done better because it’s displayed as being dramatic.
8:55 It was an incredibly interesting montage. When Stargate SG-1 Did it in the episode "Window of Opportunity" in which two characters were stuck in a time loop and were the only ones who remembered the events from the previous loops.
29:47 - “These are the middle”
Ahhhh, this is why no one likes this shit, according to Wisecrack!
At least it gives some people employment.
R.I.P. Brooks : (
He died but luckily he got better
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Well, no one is ever really gone--
It makes me so happy not to have him yelling repeats of what everyone else is already saying every few seconds
@@HerohammerStudios Isn't that Metal?
@@AppleInk at least Mootal is funny
Apparently, Sylvia is the single most important character in the universe. Because Loki is willing to sacrifice himself, than kill her to stop reality from existing.
The funny thing about Mobius' speech to Loki is how Loki already fucking knew that lesson because he was the one who decided to hoodwink goddamn Thanos at the last minute to save Thor in Infinity War when he could have just saved himself!
The god of mischief is now the centre of the universe: it sounds creepy, from a biblical point of view...
I don't understand why Loki needs to stay inside the tree.
He should grow a tree and leaf. 🍃🍃🍃
That ending clip with the "Watchubringme?!" had me in tears of laughter. Hahahaha.
Kudos to the editor! :D
"I must kill Kang because it will stop him from killing others even though killing him will end everything and everyone"...
-Sylvie
This show feels like someone watched Madoka Magika and didn't understand it
To Loki, or not to Loki? That is the question-
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of Kangrageous fortune,
Or to (literally) take arms against a sea of timelines,
And, by opposing, end them? To die, to sleep-
No more-and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache and the thousand natural shocks
That watching the MCU is heir to-’tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished! To die, to sleep.
To sleep, perchance to dream-ay, there’s the rub,
For in that sleep of death wet dreams may come
When we MCustans have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There’s the respect
That makes calamity of so long a continuity.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th’ TVA's’s wrongs, Ravona Renslayer’s contumely,
The pangs of Miss Minutes love, good writing’s delay,
The insolence of Disney, and the spurns
That patient chat of th’ unworthy takes,
When Whedon himself might his justice make
With a pirated Final Draft Pro? Who would MCU fans bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after the MCU's death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
And Secret Wars of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. -Soft you now chat,
Here come the unfair Marvels! -Nymphs, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.
- Lokilet, Act 3, Scene 1
"Loki is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"
-Bilbo Baggins
"I'll sacrifice infinite timelines for you baby, because we talked for like... 3 days? Out of my thousand years of being alive..."
And so it was, Loki ascended and became the god of stories.
"I am become AO3, writer of fanfiction"
"I am become Wattpad"
42:45 - I so wish the show ended with the reveal that he was still evil Loki all along.
If he did an evil smirk at the end? 10/10 show.
stargate did the "I need to learn everything you know about astrophysics, so I can explain this to your old self" in a time travel episode as well.
I lost it so hard when they all had the grand epiphany about what infinity means. Literally the dumbest writing in a “smart” tv show
Legit question.... what does this entire narrative have to do with Loki?
What about this nonsense makes it so that Loki has to be the center of it? None of it deals with his magic power, heritage, inter galactic inter pantheon conflict. It's literally just Loki cause he was popular.
Well since his life on the Sacred Timeline sucks so much, he'd have a lot of motivation to change it.
Brand recognition, Tom Hiddleston was fine continuing with the MCU (unlike some actors with Endgame), and they needed Disney+ content. How any of that works is tossed onto staff who don’t know or care what they do, and unfortunately, neither does the audience as simply, existing is enough for a lot of them. Or was anyway.
Finally. Give me my glorious purpose!
Give me my porous glurpis!
I know we accept that Loki is a god becasue he's Odin's adopted son. But like can he live as long as a god? He is a frost giant, not the actual same god spieces as Thor.
Didn't the frost giants noted that Odin have grown old in the first thor or am i tripping ? Mayve the giants have even better longevity than asgard gods *shrug*. Probably still not immortal so it doesn't matter.
If I aconowledge my grandfather has grown old, that doesn't mean I've been there since he was young.
why are you asking questions the writers don't even realize exist? They can't even answer the ones they created in the first place....
@@slaapt True , but Odin had no interaction with the giants for a long ass time and they still recognized he grew old, potentially implying they had known him differently. As i said i'm just making ass theories, it's useless anyway. if the giants were immortal, it would have been mentioned so loki will still die one day wheter he have the same or lower/ greater longevity as asgard gods,wich was the original point.
@@petriew2018 Asking questions that the writer didn't even cared or considered is the whole point of this chanel ^^
"What if they dedicated a whole episode to him doing this over and over again?"
So... Heaven Sent? At least in that wonderful episode there was an actual reason why the Doctor's personality didn't change over the millions of years...
Groundhog Day stories are a really great trope to not only explore your protagonist, but also put him through hardship, setbacks, and loss, to push them to their limits. It is also a trope that does not need a lot in terms of setup, location, or even characters. This should have been the focus from the get-go for Loki, setting up the idea in the first episode, paying it off in the second, and then repeating it throughout the season to reach this point. Instead it felt like they kept the looping part hidden until the 5th episode, while teasing different time traveling tropes (see Loki pruning himself). This really felt like a mess of ideas, with some of them actually neat, that just does not make even a lick of sense.
So, what video UA-cam puts in my recommendations after I watched this episode of EFAP? Of course the video titled "Loki Season 2 is a TRIUMPH."
Finally, To be honest I was only waiting to see their thought about episode 6 the most.
Somehow Mauler’s “Dark Loki” theory from a few episodes ago was less stupid, lol.
That beginning is disgusting. They’re making fun of the fact there’s no stakes becuz Loki can time travel at will. BUT THATS A BAD THING!!
I hate this show
15:36 "This is peak man, this is fire, they're cooking, the multiverse is cooking"
Season 1 fucked everything up. Season 2 pretty much put everything back to the way it was before season 1, including restoring people's free will because Loki is now keeping the timelines going instead of them being pruned by the loom.
As a whole, it's complete nonsense. But at least season 2 tried to undo the damage that season 1 did and more or less succeeded (?)
In what way is Loki needed to keep the timelines going...? He's the *new* loom. If the goal is for the timelines to be free, then he isn't sitting there wrangling them. They are already free. That's the entire concept of a multiverse. That is how time existed immemorial before Kang. Multiversal free timelines is the DEFAULT.
If Loki is the centered of literally everything, can he not view into infinite timelines to amuse himself? Also, why can he not move from there? He just needs to be a center point. Wherever he moves, can it not? And can people visit him? Is the radiation still a problem? Will the shits not protect them from radiation?
OMG THE SCREEN CHANGED AGGAAIINNN!!!!! god that timeline screen truly encompasses this whole series ever since the S1 E1 it has never been consistent with what the visual is of the timelines and its branches, just such a simple concept make a screen that shows time and stays the same but no they even could do that xD
I made a post on plotholes reddit after season 1 aired about some issues I noticed and one of the defenses was that everything will make sense in season 2.
Amazing recap of what happened in this episode Fringy