Once again you've filled the enormous gap between Pimax and their terrible customer support. I've had issues recently. I currently have an issue I can't seem to get around. In DCS next to the *use Quad Views I have an amber triangle with an ! in it. Until recently everything worked great following your setup guide from a year ago. Given this latest update which applications do I need to uninstall? There seems to be some conflicting software. Using quad views to check if eye tracking is working it appears it isn't. DCS is also running poorly when it used to be perfectly smooth. Your thoughts are appreciated and your work is the only reason Pimax is usable for an average gamer such as myself. Thank you
Thank you sir, for your generous gift! I found the best current setup in DCS to be as follows: Pimax Play: Make Pimax Play OpenXR the default OpenXR runtime. Uncheck "QuadViews" in Pimax Play. Install mbucchia's QuadViews Foveated. In OpenXR Toolkit (if installed) uncheck DCS Install TallyMouse's (handsome devil, I have heard) QuadViews Companion and open it, change something and click Apply. In DCS's VR tab, check use Quadviews and "eye track use the, comrade" Ensure that lens effects and bloom are disabled in DCS. If you are still having issues, you can always revert to PimaxXR as the default OpenXR runtime to see if that fixes it. I haven't been able to get rid of the yellow warning symbol next to QuadViews in DCS since the latest update. Another thing to look at is your OpenXR Layers to ensure that there isn't an odd conflict.. please watch ua-cam.com/video/K5zHRtHrOCc/v-deo.htmlsi=mEiOrVJUtZcR_7S0
@tallymouse THAT FIXED IT! Well sort of. At least it fixed the Foveated rendering. I can see the eye tracking is working fine but now DCS just hangs the moment I hit "fly now". DCS doesn't crash, everything thing just goes black, no matter which mission I choose. UPDATE: If I uncheck "use quadviews" in DCS the missions launch. But the foveated rendering doesn't work. Thought? Thank you very much. You videos are the but l bridge that make the Pimax products useable for the average consumer. Pimax, if you're reading this. Just save yourself a ton of effort and hire this guy full time!
@@stevenwasmer3827 Which nVidia driver are you using? Also - the latest patch for DCS caused me issues - it turned out that it required updated redistributables. I've only recently done a "nuke the site from orbit" reinstall of my OS drive, and hadn't got around to reinstalling MS Visual Studio yet. The latest DCS patch was causing a crash upon startup that wouldn't fix until I updated the latest C/C++ redistributables: aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x64.exe (more info) steamcommunity.com/app/223750/discussions/0/6194225039799348211/ ..also, I ran a repair to find that 8 files were corrupted by the patch!
@@tallymouse I am running Driver 566.36 I tried the DCS repair and installed the redistributables. No luck. Perhaps you're right. I have to start with a ground up reinstallation and reboot of everything. That should be too hard should it? I saw Jurassic Park, I start with the circuit breakers first then try not to get eaten during the boot process. Wish me luck
Thanks for making this. Wasn’t sure where to turn it on. Just flew from Vegas to LA in my Crystal. Superb! Pimax has really improved on the software side.
I just purchased a Crystal Light yesterday, and one of the primary factors that finally pushed me over the edge was native support for OpenXR and Quad Views. Very excited to try my first Pimax headset soon, especially now that my trusty Reverb G2 is about to become a paperweight.
This is exciting times for Pimax users! Was away on my yearly week long hiatus from VR and social media so I’m just now watching the video. But both mbucchia and the handsome mouse are absolute legends!
Pretty exciting news, I hope it will all be transparent how to get things working once it is out of beta. Now, if only we could get Quadviews working in IL-2, but I won't get my hopes up. Thanks for the update 👍
@Boslandschap1 We may need a pressure campaign with IL-2, as the game devs will need to add the varjo extensions (and proper native OpenXR support) to the game for it to work.. would be awesome though!
@@tallymouseHeck, I'd be happy if MSFS 2024 would just support standard dynamic foveated rendering natively. Though it would also be great if Pimax add DFR as a feature in their software, similar to how OpenXR Toolkit does it.
Tally Mouse, you are my only source for all things Pimax Crystal related! I took the plunge with Pimax Play 1.33.01.01 and really like that everything is now integrated in Play. However I do notice now that in DCS the image quality outside the DFR is much worse, especially when on the menu pages. Is there a setting I missed? Thank you and keep the great content coming.
Not all plain sailing, I’m afraid. I find that the mbucchia QVFR software looks better and runs more fluidly. But the showstopper for me was trying get XRNS centred in DCS, i eventually got it working but TBH it required a lot of faff to get there every time I started up my PC. I went back to Pimax XR and unticked the quad views box in Pimax play. XRNS now functions properly. I realise at some point the mbucchia standalone stuff will start to develop issues, but for now it works. Great to see Pimax are incorporating XR and QVFR within Pimax Play and it is, undoubtedly, the way forward. Pimax need a function in Pimax Play similar to the one in the mbucchia XR interface that centres the view on start up and of course the TM QV companion app to fine tune the QV set up. 👍🏻
@sabirayaz7893 I did get it. Had some problems but mostly on my end. Had to switch to a new USB port because it was losing tracking. Took a few drys to figure out to change to another USB port. It's great though. Hopefully you get yours soon.
So, the new version of PimaxPlay can just be downloaded now and I've tried it (in DCS). First: if you change to Pimax OpenXR + Pimax QuadViews, the old QuadViews settings are no longer used (and thus QV Companion no longer works). Easy to tell: just enable debug_eye_gaze in the settings and make sure to either uninstall the old QuadViews OR disable the OpenXR-Layer in the registry (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Khronos\OpenXR\1\AvailableRuntimes). Now, if the eye gaze cannot be seen ingame, but there it's still washed out in your peripheral vision, you know that you're running Pimax-QuadViews. Second, I did some benchmarks, there is one caveat though: the Pimax setting "Grade = Quality" is lower quality then my settings and that means for me, I'm still gonna use the old QuadViews until we can set details like the size of the focus section and the quality in- and outside of that area. (min/avg/max) - this is a CPU bound track unfortunately 2D: 42 / 79 / 109 SteamVR: 31 / 38 / 46 PimaxXR + old QV: 26 / 46 / 60 Pimax OpenXR + QV: 31 / 53 / 61 FINALLY, Pimax includes their own OpenXR runtime plus QuadViews! Good job!!! Pro: it's easy and painless and works Con: it doesn't allow for detailed DFR settings and there is no performance overlay, like with the OXR-Toolkit. But hopefully, that will all come in future versions of PimaxPlay (right? o_O)
If we also get the settings, like enabling FPS ingame in OXRtoolkit, or setting the size and quality of DFR in QuadViews or setting the quality (resolution) of the upscaler, then I'm all for it!
I switched back, because like you said, all the other settings that you get are a god send. Changing the size of the world scale is a must for me because everything seems a bit small.
Tbh I’m more interested in MSFS 2024 properly supporting DFR and Quadviews, the list of software developers embracing these VR enhancements has been woeful, but yes the native OpenXR support was something that had to happen imho so the fact it is happening is a good thing.
So I presume if the Open XR is enabled in Pimax Play that you can then access the menus in game with ctrl-F2. My Crystal Light is in the mail, and I am very happy with how the Pimax software seems to be progressing.
Just to make sure you're not confusing the two, OpenXR is a VR standard, OpenXR Toolkit provides that Ctrl-F2 menu and the extra layers on top of OpenXR. You don't need OpenXR Toolkit to use OpenXR, it's just an add-on with some extra stuff. I'm really hoping that Pimax start to integrate some of that stuff that OpenXR Toolkit provides directly in to Pimax Play, such as Dynamic Foveated Rendering so that we can just do away with OpenXR Toolkit (which is no longer supported by it's developer and will eventually break at some point).
I tried turning off all the external tools and just going with the Pimax Play Dynamic Foveated Rendering (Balanced), ticking Pimax, Eye Tracking in DCS and everything worked fine, except I noticed that I had approximately 20ms of CPU frame time that didn't exist before. I've now gone back to using the external OpenXR ToolKit, Pimax XR Runtime and QVCA and it's back to normal. I read on the forums that Pimax are aware of this issue as someone who plays iRacing at 120Hz brought this to their attention apparently. Although I don't know for sure.
@British_Dragon-4K-Simulations Yes there appears to be a CPU latency issue with the latest Pimax Play. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next release. It reminds me of the ED tango: two steps forward, one step back.
Very imformative video. You look and sound like you know your way around the VR domain. I would like to ask you a question about my new Pimax Light. How come the opening screen in the headset moves constantly even if I hold my head perfectly still, I mean jutters, squirrely, jerks ,twitches, what ever label you want to use. Same when I open MSFS the cockpit keeps shifting around all by itself. One other thing, looking forward out the cockpit I cannot get the view to change, no left or right movement, but always forward and constantly twitching? Any help would be appreciated because Pimax has not been any help. Thanks Skip
Firstly, the Pimax Discord is a very useful resource, as it's filled with people who've probably had many of your issues and solved them: discord.gg/3CMCvFCc Note that when they removed the XR2 chip from the OG Crystal to create the PCL, the processing for the inside-out tracking on the headset had to move to the computer instead. This means that, in VR, Pimax Play is running in the background. If you have HAGS enabled (google Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling) enabled in Windows, then this could be pushing the process that deals with inside-out tracking into the background, and that can cause issues. So play with that by toggling it on and off to see what works best. Also, ensure that your room is well lit, and that you don't have a plethora of giant monitors in front of you. Remember that the inside-out tracking relies on making visual fixes in front of you, so if it's view is mostly comprised of a moving image, it'll create havok within the tracking system... You can always print out some random QR codes (anyone will do) onto white paper and place them either side of your monitor.. this will help the cameras have an unusual pattern to lock onto.
@@tallymouse I have yet had no response from that group. Appreciate your reply. Any thoughts on this problem, I promise no smart ass responses to any and all helpfull replies. Skip
thanks for the video, Handsome and Humble Mice! when the update will be released do we have to unistall anything, or we could just update the pimax play and set the preferences as You have shown?
@Crazy-Bear-Gamer-Channel No.. it can stay. You can still use OpenXR Toolkit anyway, as that permits you a lot of control over the OpenXR layer - I still have PimaxXR installed as a "backup" - this is beta software afterall!
This is great news. When I heard pimax xr was no longer supported I was really worried as OXR is the only way to get decent performance in MSFS and the only way to get the stunning clarity in DCS with QV
Hello, I have the original Pimax Crystal and installed the new Pimax Play v1.34.02.01. Unfortunately I can't switch to Pimax OpenXR as OpenXR runtime. Does this only work with the Crystal Light? Thanks...
I installed the beta version of Pimax Play and then uninstalled PimaxXR Control Center. In FS2020 using TAA, my FPS dropped from 31 to 21 in VR with the Pimax 8KX. I then reinstalled PimaxXR Control Center and started using that again, and without doing anything else, my FPS returned to 31. I'm not sure what's going on here, but the native version of OpenXR in Pimax Play doesn't seem to be ready for primetime!
@@tallymouse I started a new thread on the pimaxplay-beta Discord server to report the issue, but it seems to have been promptly removed! I wonder what I did wrong...
Is there a guide on how to uninstall the previous configuration of all of this to transition to the new built in settings in Pimax Play? I'm having trouble getting this to run properly and I think it's because of the old installation of OpenXR Toolkit Companion, PimaxXR Control Center and QuadViews Companion.
@kellymcguire4970 This basically replaces PimaxXR. However, if you want to continue using QuadViews Companion, then remember to reinstall QuadViews Foveated -.and uncheck DCS in OpenXR Toolkit.
Thanks Handsome I use your methodology with Crystal Light very good. quick question do any of the other variables in Quad views companion have any effect i.e.% foviate region ect on crystal light or are these just for OG Crystal ?
Works just the same for the. Crystal Light. The only difference is that the PCL doesn't have eye-tracking, so foveate region doesn't follow your gaze around..
@@tallymouse thanks im on the LIGHT, so no eye tracking. Im only using the toolkit for the boost setting. I dont change anything else, i use the smooth option on the pymax play option, cant wait for your guide for the light, because i have no idea what to do
I have switched to Quad Views via Pimax Play but the quality is way worse even on Quality then it was with my settings via Quad Views Companion App. Unfortunately the Quad Views Companion App settings don´t seem to effect the settings of Quad Views when I run it via Pimax Play. Other then mentioned in the video. Or am I missing something?
This is positive news. What I really need to know is whether it’s worth upsetting my current stable set up with Pimax XR to take advantage of this. Are there any benefits to an MSFS user of switching until PimaxXR goes wrong?
ok...I'm frustrated. I installed 1.32 beta and turned on OpenXR in the Pimax Play Client. I'm not seeing these settings. Also not seeing 90hz Upscaling option either. I'm running a AMD 6800xt. Is there anything I'm missing?
@outspoken78 The 90Hz Upscale option was in 1.28 - it didn't work for some people, apparently, so they're going to work on it and put it back in a later Pimax Play. The OG Crystal should get 90Hz upscale too by end-of-year. Remember to install Pimax Play (then reboot), OpenXR Toolkit, Quadviews Foveated, then QuadViews Companion, in that order.
@@tallymouse hi is this official confirmed with the OG Crystal? I bought the crystal because of eye tracking and was a bit upset when the crystal light was announced with the upscale function. thanks!
I like the FOV of the Pimax, but I can't tear myself away from my Reverb. I also found that for me, OpenXR does not perform as well as Steam VR on my 3080ti/11700k/64gb system in some sims like BMS and XP12. However, it does do better on others like DCS and iRacing. And here's a comment for the algorithm.
@@DerekSpeareDSD It's interesting how some systems seem to prefer OpenVR and others OpenXR. Evidently, there is a lot of variation between peoples' systems, but I've never truly got to the bottom of why SteamVR works better on one person's system and OpenXR better on another...
At last ! I'm not alone !!! In both MSFS and DCS, I use SteamVR to handle OpenXR and it runs much better than when WMR is handling OpenXR. When I say much better, it's faster, and absolutely stutter free !
@melvilib Unfortunately, XP12 doesn't support OpenXR natively yet, but I think you can use OpenComposite as a work-around. Note that OpenXR function is up to the sim devs to implement.
@@melvilib Oh.. yes.. I have been using OpenComposite to divert away from OpenVR (SteamVR) .. I should look into the OpenXR button in XP12.. I must have missed this 😂 Thanks for the tip!
I know a number of people who have been pushing for this on MSFS'S dev forums - and it wouldn't take a great deal of work either.. so fingers crossed.. however, it would make MSFS VR come alive!
@@tallymouse Does integrated OpenXR offer any benefits (FPS?) other than less complexity for the beginners? And you are not 100% correct regarding Steam: It supports both OpenVR and OpenXR via SteamVR OpenXR runtime.
Once again you've filled the enormous gap between Pimax and their terrible customer support.
I've had issues recently. I currently have an issue I can't seem to get around. In DCS next to the *use Quad Views I have an amber triangle with an ! in it.
Until recently everything worked great following your setup guide from a year ago. Given this latest update which applications do I need to uninstall? There seems to be some conflicting software. Using quad views to check if eye tracking is working it appears it isn't. DCS is also running poorly when it used to be perfectly smooth.
Your thoughts are appreciated and your work is the only reason Pimax is usable for an average gamer such as myself.
Thank you
Thank you sir, for your generous gift!
I found the best current setup in DCS to be as follows:
Pimax Play: Make Pimax Play OpenXR the default OpenXR runtime.
Uncheck "QuadViews" in Pimax Play.
Install mbucchia's QuadViews Foveated.
In OpenXR Toolkit (if installed) uncheck DCS
Install TallyMouse's (handsome devil, I have heard) QuadViews Companion and open it, change something and click Apply.
In DCS's VR tab, check use Quadviews and "eye track use the, comrade"
Ensure that lens effects and bloom are disabled in DCS.
If you are still having issues, you can always revert to PimaxXR as the default OpenXR runtime to see if that fixes it.
I haven't been able to get rid of the yellow warning symbol next to QuadViews in DCS since the latest update.
Another thing to look at is your OpenXR Layers to ensure that there isn't an odd conflict.. please watch ua-cam.com/video/K5zHRtHrOCc/v-deo.htmlsi=mEiOrVJUtZcR_7S0
@tallymouse THAT FIXED IT! Well sort of. At least it fixed the Foveated rendering. I can see the eye tracking is working fine but now DCS just hangs the moment I hit "fly now". DCS doesn't crash, everything thing just goes black, no matter which mission I choose.
UPDATE: If I uncheck "use quadviews" in DCS the missions launch. But the foveated rendering doesn't work. Thought?
Thank you very much. You videos are the but l bridge that make the Pimax products useable for the average consumer. Pimax, if you're reading this. Just save yourself a ton of effort and hire this guy full time!
@@stevenwasmer3827 Which nVidia driver are you using?
Also - the latest patch for DCS caused me issues - it turned out that it required updated redistributables. I've only recently done a "nuke the site from orbit" reinstall of my OS drive, and hadn't got around to reinstalling MS Visual Studio yet. The latest DCS patch was causing a crash upon startup that wouldn't fix until I updated the latest C/C++ redistributables:
aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x64.exe
(more info)
steamcommunity.com/app/223750/discussions/0/6194225039799348211/
..also, I ran a repair to find that 8 files were corrupted by the patch!
@@tallymouse I am running Driver 566.36
I tried the DCS repair and installed the redistributables. No luck. Perhaps you're right. I have to start with a ground up reinstallation and reboot of everything. That should be too hard should it? I saw Jurassic Park, I start with the circuit breakers first then try not to get eaten during the boot process. Wish me luck
@stevenwasmer3827 😂
Thanks for making this. Wasn’t sure where to turn it on. Just flew from Vegas to LA in my Crystal. Superb! Pimax has really improved on the software side.
I just purchased a Crystal Light yesterday, and one of the primary factors that finally pushed me over the edge was native support for OpenXR and Quad Views. Very excited to try my first Pimax headset soon, especially now that my trusty Reverb G2 is about to become a paperweight.
Did you receive it yet? What are your thoughts?
Great update, and respect for your passion for VR and ability to communicate complex matters.
@markdeckard7651 thank you kindly sir!
This is exciting times for Pimax users! Was away on my yearly week long hiatus from VR and social media so I’m just now watching the video. But both mbucchia and the handsome mouse are absolute legends!
Pretty exciting news, I hope it will all be transparent how to get things working once it is out of beta.
Now, if only we could get Quadviews working in IL-2, but I won't get my hopes up.
Thanks for the update 👍
@Boslandschap1 We may need a pressure campaign with IL-2, as the game devs will need to add the varjo extensions (and proper native OpenXR support) to the game for it to work.. would be awesome though!
I use your Quadviews Companion. Great to hear that its functionality is maintained with the PIMAX implementation of Quadviews.
Thank you for another informative and amazing video!
Local dimming slider is a great idea, well done.
Tally Mouse didn't implement it, he's just covering the changes.
Thank you , Bro. I always appreciate your sharing with your strong knowledge for VR
@@Ying-ws3fq Thank you, Ying - keep up the good work!
Great news. Thank you.
Super video mate. Take care
@@VRFlightSimGuy Thank you, kind sir!
Excellent video! I'll try signing up for beta when I get a chance thank you for covering that. I had no idea how to get in
@@Sandboxcode give it a go.. know that they may well.get overwhelmed with applications!
With Pimax adopting quad view rendering officially, let’s hope that it can be the standard that MSFS will eventually add…
@ben433 oh.. i wish.. MSFS with QV would be a dream..
@@tallymouseHeck, I'd be happy if MSFS 2024 would just support standard dynamic foveated rendering natively. Though it would also be great if Pimax add DFR as a feature in their software, similar to how OpenXR Toolkit does it.
Great video! Thank you. I was worried Crystal owners had been forgotten - clearly not!
@@foreignmandirector Thank you, @foreignmandirector, much appreciated!
I suspect it's got more to do with the the upcoming Crystal Super as I think that's going to have DFR. At least we're getting the benefit of that.
Still no wide lenses … I was told 42ppd at purchase, then told I could switch to wide lenses.
Thanks for the info!!👍
Tally Mouse, you are my only source for all things Pimax Crystal related! I took the plunge with Pimax Play 1.33.01.01 and really like that everything is now integrated in Play. However I do notice now that in DCS the image quality outside the DFR is much worse, especially when on the menu pages. Is there a setting I missed? Thank you and keep the great content coming.
@@monkman911 I am currently making an updated setup guide.. hopefully will be uploaded this weekend!
Not all plain sailing, I’m afraid. I find that the mbucchia QVFR software looks better and runs more fluidly. But the showstopper for me was trying get XRNS centred in DCS, i eventually got it working but TBH it required a lot of faff to get there every time I started up my PC. I went back to Pimax XR and unticked the quad views box in Pimax play. XRNS now functions properly. I realise at some point the mbucchia standalone stuff will start to develop issues, but for now it works. Great to see Pimax are incorporating XR and QVFR within Pimax Play and it is, undoubtedly, the way forward. Pimax need a function in Pimax Play similar to the one in the mbucchia XR interface that centres the view on start up and of course the TM QV companion app to fine tune the QV set up. 👍🏻
Great Update, hopefully IL2 will have quadviews support soon
I'm hoping that IL-2 gets OpenXR support without the use of OpenComposite.. that'd be a winner!
I've also ordered a Crystal Light but it will take a few weeks to get here. Looking forward to it.
Did you get it yet? Curious what your thoughts are
@@Schwing27 I have not. Should be here next Tuesday.
@@NimCross Did you get it? I ordered it to Canada and it has been a month, still says "Preparing order". They have terrible customer service btw.
@sabirayaz7893 I did get it. Had some problems but mostly on my end. Had to switch to a new USB port because it was losing tracking. Took a few drys to figure out to change to another USB port. It's great though. Hopefully you get yours soon.
@ Interesting. I wonder why the USB port made a difference? What motherboard do you have? I’m curious.
So, the new version of PimaxPlay can just be downloaded now and I've tried it (in DCS).
First: if you change to Pimax OpenXR + Pimax QuadViews, the old QuadViews settings are no longer used (and thus QV Companion no longer works).
Easy to tell: just enable debug_eye_gaze in the settings and make sure to either uninstall the old QuadViews OR disable the OpenXR-Layer in the registry (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Khronos\OpenXR\1\AvailableRuntimes).
Now, if the eye gaze cannot be seen ingame, but there it's still washed out in your peripheral vision, you know that you're running Pimax-QuadViews.
Second, I did some benchmarks, there is one caveat though: the Pimax setting "Grade = Quality" is lower quality then my settings and that means for me, I'm still gonna use the old QuadViews until we can set details like the size of the focus section and the quality in- and outside of that area.
(min/avg/max) - this is a CPU bound track unfortunately
2D: 42 / 79 / 109
SteamVR: 31 / 38 / 46
PimaxXR + old QV: 26 / 46 / 60
Pimax OpenXR + QV: 31 / 53 / 61
FINALLY, Pimax includes their own OpenXR runtime plus QuadViews! Good job!!!
Pro: it's easy and painless and works
Con: it doesn't allow for detailed DFR settings and there is no performance overlay, like with the OXR-Toolkit. But hopefully, that will all come in future versions of PimaxPlay (right? o_O)
if it does'nt include performance overlay, how were you able to get those fps readings?
@@vracan I ran RTSS Benchmark (in the background, so to say)
If we also get the settings, like enabling FPS ingame in OXRtoolkit, or setting the size and quality of DFR in QuadViews or setting the quality (resolution) of the upscaler, then I'm all for it!
I switched back, because like you said, all the other settings that you get are a god send. Changing the size of the world scale is a must for me because everything seems a bit small.
Tbh I’m more interested in MSFS 2024 properly supporting DFR and Quadviews, the list of software developers embracing these VR enhancements has been woeful, but yes the native OpenXR support was something that had to happen imho so the fact it is happening is a good thing.
@@bigbangerz5856 MSFS2024 with Quadviews would be a game changer!
So I presume if the Open XR is enabled in Pimax Play that you can then access the menus in game with ctrl-F2. My Crystal Light is in the mail, and I am very happy with how the Pimax software seems to be progressing.
@@billbaggins1688 Yes.. it still works with OpenXR Toolkit.
Just to make sure you're not confusing the two, OpenXR is a VR standard, OpenXR Toolkit provides that Ctrl-F2 menu and the extra layers on top of OpenXR. You don't need OpenXR Toolkit to use OpenXR, it's just an add-on with some extra stuff. I'm really hoping that Pimax start to integrate some of that stuff that OpenXR Toolkit provides directly in to Pimax Play, such as Dynamic Foveated Rendering so that we can just do away with OpenXR Toolkit (which is no longer supported by it's developer and will eventually break at some point).
I wish we could also get a mirror for recording
@@wesleyjansen232 Have you tried OpenXR Mirror in OBS Studio?
@@tallymouse i did but without opening steamvr i only get black screen
@wesleyjansen232 What happens if you use PimaxXR as the runtime?
Also.. check out my "Fix OpenXR Layers" vid.. that may be your problem!
I tried turning off all the external tools and just going with the Pimax Play Dynamic Foveated Rendering (Balanced), ticking Pimax, Eye Tracking in DCS and everything worked fine, except I noticed that I had approximately 20ms of CPU frame time that didn't exist before. I've now gone back to using the external OpenXR ToolKit, Pimax XR Runtime and QVCA and it's back to normal.
I read on the forums that Pimax are aware of this issue as someone who plays iRacing at 120Hz brought this to their attention apparently. Although I don't know for sure.
@British_Dragon-4K-Simulations Yes there appears to be a CPU latency issue with the latest Pimax Play. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next release. It reminds me of the ED tango: two steps forward, one step back.
Thank you! :)
London + MSFS + VR OMG.
@@dtrjones It's really very special!
Very imformative video. You look and sound like you know your way around the VR domain. I would like to ask you a question about my new Pimax Light. How come the opening screen in the headset moves constantly even if I hold my head perfectly still, I mean jutters, squirrely, jerks ,twitches, what ever label you want to use. Same when I open MSFS the cockpit keeps shifting around all by itself. One other thing, looking forward out the cockpit I cannot get the view to change, no left or right movement, but always forward and constantly twitching? Any help would be appreciated because Pimax has not been any help. Thanks Skip
Firstly, the Pimax Discord is a very useful resource, as it's filled with people who've probably had many of your issues and solved them:
discord.gg/3CMCvFCc
Note that when they removed the XR2 chip from the OG Crystal to create the PCL, the processing for the inside-out tracking on the headset had to move to the computer instead. This means that, in VR, Pimax Play is running in the background.
If you have HAGS enabled (google Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling) enabled in Windows, then this could be pushing the process that deals with inside-out tracking into the background, and that can cause issues. So play with that by toggling it on and off to see what works best.
Also, ensure that your room is well lit, and that you don't have a plethora of giant monitors in front of you. Remember that the inside-out tracking relies on making visual fixes in front of you, so if it's view is mostly comprised of a moving image, it'll create havok within the tracking system...
You can always print out some random QR codes (anyone will do) onto white paper and place them either side of your monitor.. this will help the cameras have an unusual pattern to lock onto.
@@tallymouse I have yet had no response from that group. Appreciate your reply. Any thoughts on this problem, I promise no smart ass responses to any and all helpfull replies. Skip
thanks for the video, Handsome and Humble Mice! when the update will be released do we have to unistall anything, or we could just update the pimax play and set the preferences as You have shown?
@@Crazy-Bear-Gamer-Channel It may depend on the final version. However, i just installed over the existing version as shown in the video!
@@tallymouse I was referring to OpenXR toolkit and pimaXR runtime..this should be removed before Pimaxplay update?
@Crazy-Bear-Gamer-Channel No.. it can stay. You can still use OpenXR Toolkit anyway, as that permits you a lot of control over the OpenXR layer - I still have PimaxXR installed as a "backup" - this is beta software afterall!
@@tallymouse great thanks!
This is great news. When I heard pimax xr was no longer supported I was really worried as OXR is the only way to get decent performance in MSFS and the only way to get the stunning clarity in DCS with QV
@@tedwaetford I am also relieved. I think it's very positive that Pimax now has their own OpenXR runtime!
Hello, I have the original Pimax Crystal and installed the new Pimax Play v1.34.02.01. Unfortunately I can't switch to Pimax OpenXR as OpenXR runtime. Does this only work with the Crystal Light? Thanks...
@@OldCooltronix it works with the OG Crystal too - try rebooting! Also, check out my video on OpenXR Layers!
@@tallymouse Thanks for your answer. I'll keep testing...
I hope that when this is fully completed theyll be able to add the amalence software too
Almalence was great, in my opinion - though, something must have gone wrong with the negotiations, because things seem to have gone quiet..
I installed the beta version of Pimax Play and then uninstalled PimaxXR Control Center. In FS2020 using TAA, my FPS dropped from 31 to 21 in VR with the Pimax 8KX. I then reinstalled PimaxXR Control Center and started using that again, and without doing anything else, my FPS returned to 31. I'm not sure what's going on here, but the native version of OpenXR in Pimax Play doesn't seem to be ready for primetime!
Yep - just keep those bug reports coming into the Discord server beta channel.. the devs need as much feedback as possible..
@@tallymouse I was going to contact Pimax directly via a their ticket system. I guess the Discord server is a better way to do this?
@@MikeInExile Yes - that way it'll be collated with other issues and make it directly to the dev team.
@@tallymouse I started a new thread on the pimaxplay-beta Discord server to report the issue, but it seems to have been promptly removed! I wonder what I did wrong...
@@MikeInExile Let me find out the correct reporting method and get back to you!
I installed 1.32 and switching quadviews on and off in pimax play does nothing. Still seems to be controlled by OpenXR
@@expataviator7107 reinstall quadviews..
Thanks!
Is there a guide on how to uninstall the previous configuration of all of this to transition to the new built in settings in Pimax Play? I'm having trouble getting this to run properly and I think it's because of the old installation of OpenXR Toolkit Companion, PimaxXR Control Center and QuadViews Companion.
So, do I need to uninstall the other software now for PimaxVR and Quadviews that we had to use before since it's native in Pimax and DCS?
@kellymcguire4970 This basically replaces PimaxXR. However, if you want to continue using QuadViews Companion, then remember to reinstall QuadViews Foveated -.and uncheck DCS in OpenXR Toolkit.
@tallymouse Would I use quadviews companion to change specific settings or can I now change the same settings in DCS?
Thanks Handsome I use your methodology with Crystal Light very good. quick question do any of the other variables in Quad views companion have any effect i.e.% foviate region ect on crystal light or are these just for OG Crystal ?
Works just the same for the. Crystal Light. The only difference is that the PCL doesn't have eye-tracking, so foveate region doesn't follow your gaze around..
so do we still need the toolkit app? i understand from this video we do not need the openxr app but we do still need the toolkit
@josemalbran2815 You don't technically need the Toolkit for DCS, but I keep it installed for MSFS, so I can still use the toolkit's eye-tracking/DFR
@@tallymouse thanks im on the LIGHT, so no eye tracking. Im only using the toolkit for the boost setting. I dont change anything else, i use the smooth option on the pymax play option, cant wait for your guide for the light, because i have no idea what to do
I have switched to Quad Views via Pimax Play but the quality is way worse even on Quality then it was with my settings via Quad Views Companion App. Unfortunately the Quad Views Companion App settings don´t seem to effect the settings of Quad Views when I run it via Pimax Play. Other then mentioned in the video. Or am I missing something?
Reinstall QuadViews Foveated, reboot, and then you'll find the the Companion app works again!
This is positive news. What I really need to know is whether it’s worth upsetting my current stable set up with Pimax XR to take advantage of this. Are there any benefits to an MSFS user of switching until PimaxXR goes wrong?
@johnbarnes7421 I don't see a great benefit of switching right now - however, it's comforting to know that it is being worked on!
Signed up for beta but nothing yet, do they typically send an email?
@markm75 Yes. There's a big festival.at the moment in Shanghai, mixed up with the biggest Typhoon in 75 years!
So how does this affect/improve what I’m doing now with PimaxXR and Quadviews?
@laycamwd238 It means that PimaxXR isn't strictly needed any longer, and that somebody (Pimax) is supporting OpenXR into the future..
ok...I'm frustrated. I installed 1.32 beta and turned on OpenXR in the Pimax Play Client. I'm not seeing these settings. Also not seeing 90hz Upscaling option either. I'm running a AMD 6800xt. Is there anything I'm missing?
@outspoken78 The 90Hz Upscale option was in 1.28 - it didn't work for some people, apparently, so they're going to work on it and put it back in a later Pimax Play. The OG Crystal should get 90Hz upscale too by end-of-year.
Remember to install Pimax Play (then reboot), OpenXR Toolkit, Quadviews Foveated, then QuadViews Companion, in that order.
@@tallymouse hi is this official confirmed with the OG Crystal? I bought the crystal because of eye tracking and was a bit upset when the crystal light was announced with the upscale function. thanks!
Can you still use the in-game OpenXR Toolkit to enable for example Turbo Mode or change the resolution?
@@bubba3133 Yes - OpenXR Toolkit still works!
If you already have Open XR, Pimax XR and Quad Views installed as applications is it better to delete them and run via Pimax Play?
@@Lakedistrictrider i still have them installed as a backup, so I can swap between them - just like swapping between PimaxXR and SteamVR
@@tallymouseCheers
I would assume that this would work withy an OpenXR application or is it specific to flight sims?
@@justaguydoinstuff Any OpenXR application
I like the FOV of the Pimax, but I can't tear myself away from my Reverb. I also found that for me, OpenXR does not perform as well as Steam VR on my 3080ti/11700k/64gb system in some sims like BMS and XP12. However, it does do better on others like DCS and iRacing. And here's a comment for the algorithm.
@@DerekSpeareDSD It's interesting how some systems seem to prefer OpenVR and others OpenXR. Evidently, there is a lot of variation between peoples' systems, but I've never truly got to the bottom of why SteamVR works better on one person's system and OpenXR better on another...
At last ! I'm not alone !!! In both MSFS and DCS, I use SteamVR to handle OpenXR and it runs much better than when WMR is handling OpenXR. When I say much better, it's faster, and absolutely stutter free !
I take it that X-Plane 12 does not support this?
@melvilib Unfortunately, XP12 doesn't support OpenXR natively yet, but I think you can use OpenComposite as a work-around. Note that OpenXR function is up to the sim devs to implement.
@@tallymouse Think I have misunderstood the 'Use OpenXR' tickbox on the VR settings tab. I assume that is using an external runtime then?
@@melvilib Oh.. yes.. I have been using OpenComposite to divert away from OpenVR (SteamVR) .. I should look into the OpenXR button in XP12.. I must have missed this 😂
Thanks for the tip!
I'm still undecided what to use for my Full-scale F16 simulator
wow
@@boblatouche2273 Disbelief or happiness? 😂
@@tallymouse awesome
Any news will Msfs2024 support quad views?
I know a number of people who have been pushing for this on MSFS'S dev forums - and it wouldn't take a great deal of work either.. so fingers crossed.. however, it would make MSFS VR come alive!
Is that you Daniel Craig!?!
@@CubPilot84 😂
I subscribed. However, I feel uncomfortable being called your wingman. I believe, you may be my wingman. I'm good. I'm very good.
@StekuVideo 😂.. ok ice man, cool your heels!
@@tallymouse Does integrated OpenXR offer any benefits (FPS?) other than less complexity for the beginners? And you are not 100% correct regarding Steam: It supports both OpenVR and OpenXR via SteamVR OpenXR runtime.
Great job !
@@zigzagfly1635 Thank you!