I stopped shorts, now things are moving in the right direction. Not only do shorts attract the wrong viewer, YT only pushes them for a short period too before dropping them in favour of new ones. If you want to do shorts then do a short channel otherwise stick to long form.
The attention span thing is so true. Just finished making 10 more shorts but you are right I'll stick to horizontal content after posting the other shorts
If you use the short as an introduction to your long form videos, then that could actually draw views to watch the long-term videos. I truly believe its each content creator average on the view of each individual video that matters. You need the subscriber to be eligible to make money. You need the views based on your average per view to get to the 4000 watch hours. If use both wisely, then using both forms could actually help versa hurt your channels. It's the concept of not putting all your eggs in one basket.
This is very valuable information for me. I have had my channel for just about four weeks. I’ve made a few shorts and a few longform videos, but I I’m definitely going to take your advice and just concentrate on the longer videos. I’m still kind of finding my way with where I’m going with my niche and this will help keep me focused. I have been practicing things and making rookie mistakes. I actually posted a couple videos before I learned the difference between shorts and regular videos. I was holding the camera vertically and automatically shorts were made. I learned. Thank you so much for this.
As I watched your video it made me think of what I've been doing and it makes sense. I paused the video and went to see what I uploaded and definitely seen a change and drop in my views on my long format compared to the shorts. So ill definately be giving this a try to see if it works to get the momentum to build back again for my long format videos. Thanks for the useful info you'll share on your channel it helps alot.
@@livevideoschool yes for sure thanks for the precise to the point no BS content .My first video I seen of yours was by the pool and that to was jam packed with such useful info keep up the good work and thanks again.
@@livevideoschool Hey quick Update : My long format videos are starting to gain traction again, it’s just now learning what content to create so the viewers get some good value from it. My channel is an Art based channel focusing on Skeleton and Skull art.
HOOKS Thanks for the information. I was going to start uploading shorts daily on top of my 3 long form videos a week but your making me second guess this strategy. Now I am thinking about saving all my shorts for tik tok lol Although I want to try shorts out and see if it helps my channel for a month or so. Then I will go back to only long form again and weekly live streams. I'll let you know how much damage is done to my channel in a month! lol for real thank you for your videos, I am a new sub!
This might not be a problem with shorts. It could be a misunderstanding of video settings when publishing. I'm testing this right now, so I can't say for certain. The setting in question is "Publish to subscriptions feed and notify subscribers". A lot of what you said is correct, but unchecking this setting could potentially solve the issue of shorts hurting your channel.
The only reason I would say to uncheck this box is if it's a video that your subs would not be interested in. Other than that there's no benefit that I know if.
Dave Ramsey's content creator describes how he uses shorts: only highlights of the top performing content in a ratio that doesn't reduce your watchtime or CTR etc. He says that if your shorts doesn't accurately represent what your channel main content is precisely about, you will lose views.... so it's a type of built in spam filter you can hit. He says you have to link to a long content video from a short, otherwise you lose the user.
This is very informative. I do get more views on my shorts than my long videos. I'm going to start posting just the long videos and working on the titles. Hooks
I have always said my shorts watchers are not my people, and you have totally made my point. The comments I get on shorts are negative and sometimes mean, something that just doesn't happen on my long form videos. I am taking your advice and stopping shorts for three months and see if it helps my stall. Thank you for sharing!
I heard that shorts will mess up your analytics approximately nine months ago and honestly, I am not one to do shorts. I don’t care for them, but this is good. You’re sharing this.
Some of my experiences. I started a channel a few years ago, took almost 2 years to reach 1000, then made the mistake of posting shorts. My views and subs grew like crazy so I got excited. Posted more and more. But they were slightly off topic from my long form content. My channel basically got taken over by shorts. I had to move the long form content off onto a new channel. Also, the viewers are...how do I say this...interesting. I get the worst comments from shorts viewers. They must think that my sorts channel is an AI bot, because they are rude and abusive. I stopped even reading the comments on that channel. Definitely keep your long form and short form content on separate channels.
Shorts are all I’m allowed to post because my phone isn’t on a service plan. I use WiFi because I’m houseless and can only post shorts right now. It’s a good way to get the hang of recording in my humble opinion
I took a month off shorts and only posted long form. Now I’m back on daily shorts and the only thing that changed was lower average shorts views. I’m already monetized so I figured why not use all the features. Getting back into live soon too. And like you said, the title is everything for all content either way
@ maybe, but that doesn’t really explain lower shorts views unless I’m doing SEO topics and not just aiming to hit the shorts feed with good hooks and meta data to reach ideal viewers
TY, I just started my channel maybe about a month ago or so, I was thinking of short but I won’t. I was wandering how many times a week should I post? I do once a week. Ty in advance ❤️
I had been posting shorts 7 days in a row and have noticed more subscribers, every short 1-2 subscribers and views are getting higher. I don´t know if that will hurt my channel. Anyway, it is not yet monetised.
I have no idea. My channel is very new and so any views are welcome however I posted a couple shorts that hit over 500 views which for me is a lot and then last night I uploaded a short and it’s only gotten 1 view. So confusing.
Thanks for this information. I didn’t know 😮. Also, to answer your question if I’m watching shorts I rarely go to their videos to watch-and I never go back to their channel so it makes sense. If I am watching a video on a channel and mildly interested more times than not I will watch a future video then possibly subscribe so that makes total sense.
I personally never go from short to long, but I’ve found that my viewers do. I track it by making a certain long form video related in all of my shorts.
It's all very confusing.I read recently, shorts are the way forward to grow your channel. I would actually love to get feedback on my channel.People don't tent to leave e a comment 🤔
I have not and never will make a short. YT bumped it up to 3 mins and all mine that are under 3 mins are aspect ratio of 1920x1080 which won’t qualify as a short. I have never sub watching a short and won’t because no time and effort is really needed to make a 1 minute short.
I have a new channel. My shorts are a mix of great and ok in views. I'm not seeing an influx of views to my long form comment as a result of the shorts. Wondering if this video is explaining that reason.😢
So I actually have a question, do you think that it would be beneficial for you to steal make short form content, however, not posting it on UA-cam but other platforms such as Instagram and Facebook to still get traction on other platforms?
you could, but I would rather take that same energy, and create more long form Content you could, but I would rather take that same energy, and create more long form content for my channel
Supporting brother. Watched til the end. Just getting into the content creation world. I have a ways to go but Im making an extra $1000 per month so far!
I'm not really sure if it would ever hurt your channel. But our rule is generally if a video that was recently uploaded is doing over 100 views per hour. We will hold off on posting another video for at least 24 hours. This will give the video enough time to do it's thing.
@ That’s what I’m learning through trail and error..When I have video going good I’ll just hold off but if I upload while it’s still going then I notice it will stunt the growth of the previous video .
What if I don't care about monetization? I don't want to earn a living through ads for other companies. I just want the right customers to find my website and benefit from my consulting service. What you say later about the attention span of those who prefer shorts seems to be true, though, so to attract those with the ability to focus and learn a lot, longer form videos sound ideal for me.
My biggest problem with my new channel appears to be that people are not seeing my video with the main keyword searches like 'heal cavities naturally'. My video is only being presented in the less likely search phrases like 'heal cavities photographs' and 'heal cavities naturally photographs'. I'm wondering if it's because I used the word 'photographs' in my title. I suppose I could remove the word 'photographs' from the title to see if that helps.
I suspect that I'm not ranking well for short phrases like 'heal cavities naturally' because many other channels are already ranking well in that category.
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I'm sorry to say this but this is is BS. If you want Subscribers and grow, post SHORTS SHORTS and SHORTS, alongside with long video. (and its fun and easy too) But they so called "youtube gurus" (Vidiq, Nate, Tubebuddy etc) do not tell you this, because then they will be out of business, they even tell you not to post shorts 😂 How often have you seen-heard them promote Shorts to get subscribers? And NO, it will NOT destroy your channel.
I stopped shorts, now things are moving in the right direction. Not only do shorts attract the wrong viewer, YT only pushes them for a short period too before dropping them in favour of new ones. If you want to do shorts then do a short channel otherwise stick to long form.
Thank you so much! I actually didn’t think about this ! I’ve heard that shorts is where it’s at as far as growth! I appreciate you !
Glad it was helpful!
The attention span thing is so true. Just finished making 10 more shorts but you are right I'll stick to horizontal content after posting the other shorts
If you use the short as an introduction to your long form videos, then that could actually draw views to watch the long-term videos. I truly believe its each content creator average on the view of each individual video that matters. You need the subscriber to be eligible to make money. You need the views based on your average per view to get to the 4000 watch hours. If use both wisely, then using both forms could actually help versa hurt your channels. It's the concept of not putting all your eggs in one basket.
That is exactly what am doing on my channel and it seems to be working pretty well
Potentially, but from what we have experienced and others that I have spoke to most people watching shorts do not continue over to your longer videos.
My experience is that long form gets more views when I link as the related video to a short.
This is very valuable information for me. I have had my channel for just about four weeks. I’ve made a few shorts and a few longform videos, but I I’m definitely going to take your advice and just concentrate on the longer videos. I’m still kind of finding my way with where I’m going with my niche and this will help keep me focused. I have been practicing things and making rookie mistakes. I actually posted a couple videos before I learned the difference between shorts and regular videos. I was holding the camera vertically and automatically shorts were made. I learned. Thank you so much for this.
Glad it was helpful :-)
As I watched your video it made me think of what I've been doing and it makes sense. I paused the video and went to see what I uploaded and definitely seen a change and drop in my views on my long format compared to the shorts. So ill definately be giving this a try to see if it works to get the momentum to build back again for my long format videos. Thanks for the useful info you'll share on your channel it helps alot.
wow, thanks so much for sharing that and looking into your own analytics. Keep us posted.
@@livevideoschool yes for sure thanks for the precise to the point no BS content .My first video I seen of yours was by the pool and that to was jam packed with such useful info keep up the good work and thanks again.
@@livevideoschool Hey quick Update : My long format videos are starting to gain traction again, it’s just now learning what content to create so the viewers get some good value from it. My channel is an Art based channel focusing on Skeleton and Skull art.
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Thanks for the information. I was going to start uploading shorts daily on top of my 3 long form videos a week but your making me second guess this strategy. Now I am thinking about saving all my shorts for tik tok lol Although I want to try shorts out and see if it helps my channel for a month or so. Then I will go back to only long form again and weekly live streams. I'll let you know how much damage is done to my channel in a month! lol for real thank you for your videos, I am a new sub!
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This might not be a problem with shorts. It could be a misunderstanding of video settings when publishing. I'm testing this right now, so I can't say for certain. The setting in question is "Publish to subscriptions feed and notify subscribers". A lot of what you said is correct, but unchecking this setting could potentially solve the issue of shorts hurting your channel.
The only reason I would say to uncheck this box is if it's a video that your subs would not be interested in. Other than that there's no benefit that I know if.
Focus on Titles, got it haha. Great stuff.
Dave Ramsey's content creator describes how he uses shorts: only highlights of the top performing content in a ratio that doesn't reduce your watchtime or CTR etc. He says that if your shorts doesn't accurately represent what your channel main content is precisely about, you will lose views.... so it's a type of built in spam filter you can hit. He says you have to link to a long content video from a short, otherwise you lose the user.
He's also a MASSIVE channel that has maxed out their reach.
This is very informative. I do get more views on my shorts than my long videos. I'm going to start posting just the long videos and working on the titles. Hooks
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I have always said my shorts watchers are not my people, and you have totally made my point. The comments I get on shorts are negative and sometimes mean, something that just doesn't happen on my long form videos. I am taking your advice and stopping shorts for three months and see if it helps my stall. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I heard that shorts will mess up your analytics approximately nine months ago and honestly, I am not one to do shorts. I don’t care for them, but this is good. You’re sharing this.
yes, that's another drawback is you will get what a lot call dirty analytics
alright... this is my new favorite channel for this type of helpful content..
Thanks so much :-)
Shorts hurt my channel badly, I’m not tempted to post shorts at all anymore
My shorts views have suddenly gone right down whilst my longer videos views have suddenly gone right up!
Has this happened to anyone else?!
Some of my experiences. I started a channel a few years ago, took almost 2 years to reach 1000, then made the mistake of posting shorts. My views and subs grew like crazy so I got excited. Posted more and more. But they were slightly off topic from my long form content. My channel basically got taken over by shorts. I had to move the long form content off onto a new channel. Also, the viewers are...how do I say this...interesting. I get the worst comments from shorts viewers. They must think that my sorts channel is an AI bot, because they are rude and abusive. I stopped even reading the comments on that channel. Definitely keep your long form and short form content on separate channels.
I make a lot of shorts😢okay now I convinced myself to stop making shorts video. Thanks for the reminder ❤...
I believe shorts and longs are two different algorithms, but you need to take advantage of both imo.
I never knew about this,thanks for this information
Shorts are all I’m allowed to post because my phone isn’t on a service plan. I use WiFi because I’m houseless and can only post shorts right now. It’s a good way to get the hang of recording in my humble opinion
I took a month off shorts and only posted long form. Now I’m back on daily shorts and the only thing that changed was lower average shorts views. I’m already monetized so I figured why not use all the features. Getting back into live soon too. And like you said, the title is everything for all content either way
Make better thumbnails and you might get more views.
@ maybe, but that doesn’t really explain lower shorts views unless I’m doing SEO topics and not just aiming to hit the shorts feed with good hooks and meta data to reach ideal viewers
@@GabeJohansson SEO is one thing, better thumbnails is another thing. They both work together.
Thanks for sharing :-)
Thanks very much for your content 🙏
TY, I just started my channel maybe about a month ago or so, I was thinking of short but I won’t. I was wandering how many times a week should I post? I do once a week. Ty in advance ❤️
Keep us posted!
What if someone deletes their all short videos?
Would the channel get healed as it was before?
I don't think so
@@livevideoschool Okay, thanks for answering!
Great I just bought a short app haha. I can use if for reels.
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Almost never go from someone's short to their long form.
I had been posting shorts 7 days in a row and have noticed more subscribers, every short 1-2 subscribers and views are getting higher. I don´t know if that will hurt my channel. Anyway, it is not yet monetised.
I have no idea. My channel is very new and so any views are welcome however I posted a couple shorts that hit over 500 views which for me is a lot and then last night I uploaded a short and it’s only gotten 1 view. So confusing.
Thanks for this information. I didn’t know 😮. Also, to answer your question if I’m watching shorts I rarely go to their videos to watch-and I never go back to their channel so it makes sense. If I am watching a video on a channel and mildly interested more times than not I will watch a future video then possibly subscribe so that makes total sense.
I often go from shorts to long form, usually when it’s a podcast or documentary.
I could see that, but for most I would say then never go to the longer video.
@ curious how one can tell for sure. I looked in Studio and I don’t have any such analytics in the Engagement section.
I personally never go from short to long, but I’ve found that my viewers do. I track it by making a certain long form video related in all of my shorts.
Hello, I am struggling should I delete my shorts?
Struggling here also
Don't delete you can unlist it's better.
I would not delete them, just leave or unlist
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It's all very confusing.I read recently, shorts are the way forward to grow your channel. I would actually love to get feedback on my channel.People don't tent to leave e a comment 🤔
We have not found them useful to our channels
I have not and never will make a short. YT bumped it up to 3 mins and all mine that are under 3 mins are aspect ratio of 1920x1080 which won’t qualify as a short.
I have never sub watching a short and won’t because no time and effort is really needed to make a 1 minute short.
I wish I knew this sooner 😊
I have a new channel.
My shorts are a mix of great and ok in views.
I'm not seeing an influx of views to my long form comment as a result of the shorts. Wondering if this video is explaining that reason.😢
So I actually have a question, do you think that it would be beneficial for you to steal make short form content, however, not posting it on UA-cam but other platforms such as Instagram and Facebook to still get traction on other platforms?
you could, but I would rather take that same energy, and create more long form Content you could, but I would rather take that same energy, and create more long form content for my channel
@@livevideoschool thank you
You won’t get traction on other platforms, at least it absolutely doesn’t work for me.
@ hmmmmm that’s interesting!
so if you reach the 10M short views that will only monetize you for shorts and not your entire channel?
yup
It monetizes your entire channel.
@@carscoffeeandmischief really?
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@StoriesbyDAF 100% that’s how I got Fully Monetized, with shorts.
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Supporting brother. Watched til the end. Just getting into the content creation world. I have a ways to go but Im making an extra $1000 per month so far!
awesome thanks so much for watching. We truly appreciate it.
I personally watch both shorts and long form about the same I’d guess, hooks
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I also noticed more views on my longer content once I stopped posting shorts 😆 nice to know
Yeah me too
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Hey can uploading too many videos also hurt your viewership?
I'm not really sure if it would ever hurt your channel. But our rule is generally if a video that was recently uploaded is doing over 100 views per hour. We will hold off on posting another video for at least 24 hours. This will give the video enough time to do it's thing.
@ That’s what I’m learning through trail and error..When I have video going good I’ll just hold off but if I upload while it’s still going then I notice it will stunt the growth of the previous video .
UA-cam shorts are only for subscribers growth.
Agree shorts bring subs in mass but you can’t put up dance trends when you’re a finance channel.
What if I don't care about monetization? I don't want to earn a living through ads for other companies. I just want the right customers to find my website and benefit from my consulting service. What you say later about the attention span of those who prefer shorts seems to be true, though, so to attract those with the ability to focus and learn a lot, longer form videos sound ideal for me.
My biggest problem with my new channel appears to be that people are not seeing my video with the main keyword searches like 'heal cavities naturally'. My video is only being presented in the less likely search phrases like 'heal cavities photographs' and 'heal cavities naturally photographs'. I'm wondering if it's because I used the word 'photographs' in my title. I suppose I could remove the word 'photographs' from the title to see if that helps.
I suspect that I'm not ranking well for short phrases like 'heal cavities naturally' because many other channels are already ranking well in that category.
Sure, if you don't want to earn money from your UA-cam channel, then do whatever you feel is going to make you happy and get your message shared
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I agree with this, shorts destroyed my views
Thanks for sharing :-)
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I'm sorry to say this but this is is BS. If you want Subscribers and grow, post SHORTS SHORTS and SHORTS, alongside with long video. (and its fun and easy too)
But they so called "youtube gurus" (Vidiq, Nate, Tubebuddy etc) do not tell you this, because then they will be out of business, they even tell you not to post shorts 😂
How often have you seen-heard them promote Shorts to get subscribers?
And NO, it will NOT destroy your channel.
Thanks for your opinion, but we can agree to disagree :-)
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