UVa, UNC, Clemson and FSU to the SEC. ND, Miami, GT and Duke to the Big Ten. Plus as you discussed several teams would vote to dissolve because either the XII or SEC will add more as UNC won't leave NC ST without a home and the commonwealth will make sure VT has a home when Virginia leaves.
ESPN told SBJ yesterday they put a huge chunk of cash down up front to launch the ACCNetwork in 2016. They said they need the ACC to stay intact full term ( full 20 years) to get a return. They cannot lose that $$. ESPN and the SEC are huge TV partners. ESPN does not want the SEC to take any teams and made sure that GoR could not be broken or else they’d have never launched the ACCN. It would end up in a huge loss for ESPN if ACC teams left before 2036. If SEC takes teams, that would be a major disservice to ESPN. They won’t. ESPN is a great ESPN partner.
a) ESPN is not a party to the GOR b) ESPN has no control or leverage over the B1G, BIG12, FOX or the individual ACC members in this context c) ESPN cannot bloc an ACC nuke and pillage by other parties, it can only keep the SEC from cooperating
Eric, I heard that, also, but the ACC doesn't get a vote on the GOR. It's inevitable. The ACC is gonna collapse. No quality FB with one exception. A lot of ACC schools don't care about FB. Tiny HS stadiums. The ACC is similar to the Pac12 as far as attitudes about FB go. They are prissy and don't want to get their FB uniforms dirty. The Pac12 is about to disappear and that is the future of the ACC.
Everybody saying the ACC loses anybody has ni clue hat they are talking about. They all see CONFERENCES as the movers and shakers and the Conferecnes have NO POWER. The Deciders... are ESPN and FOX not the conferences.
@@brucemercer7753 "The Deciders... are ESPN and FOX not the conferences." Actually, a former ESPN executive who recently made the rounds said the exact opposite. The reality is likely somewhere in between. The conferences consult the broadcasters as to the effect of a possible move and then decide.
Who is most likely to be #8? Seems like it's one of GT, NCST, Pitt, or Louisville. I hope it happens and the ACC dissolves, then FSU, Clemson and two more can go to the SEC.
The ACC would be smart to use the idea of dissolution to force ESPN to up the anty on the GOR. Every member should vote in favor of dissolving, whether they intend on it or not. ESPN needs the ACC to remain intact. The ACC should squeeze the shit out of ESPN. Make the contract equal to the SEC, going foward,or go pound sand. Then, the ACC could expand and create their own super conference.
ESPN has nothing to do with the GOR an you have no clue what you are talking about. But I do like your style in thinking. But it is NOT necessary. ESPN is already working on what you want, It has been in the works for a few years, These things take time and that time is almost here.
@@brucemercer7753 ESPN has the TV contract rights with the ACC thru 2036. Don't know what planet you live on or what sports you watch but you should do a little research before you make an ass of yourself. .
If there's a chance 8 teams potentially would vote to dissolve, I can see ESPN offering a lot more $$$$ to keep it together and dissuade a few schools to change their mind. Personally, I just don't see where 8 teams from the ACC will find a new home. At best, I see 6 or 7 teams finding a home... at best. But again, the potential of ESPN losing a whole conference I think wakes them the F up and causes them to throw $$$ at the problem.
Notre Dame does have a vote but has zero incentive to vote to break up the ACC - but never trust the Irish - they could vote either way. Four teams to the SEC is a given, but 3 teams to the Big 12 is not going to be attractive to those teams, even if the money is a little better. The brands that they are currently playing in the ACC are better and travel is better. So getting those three other teams will be troublesome. The Big 10 has made it very clear that they are interested in going to 20 by going out west and raiding the Pac 12. There is no reason for the Big 10 to go to 24 and taking 4 ACC schools - the 4 teams added to the SEC by this manuver will be more beneficial to the SEC than the Big 10. The Big 10 could have partnered with the SEC and carved up the ACC. They didn't. Instead all of their energy has been going West. Adding Clemson and Florida State to the SEC greatly benefits the SEC, the Big 10 is happier seeing those schools in the ACC and being a step above the SEC. Right now the Big10 has the SEC with its hands tied being unable to raid the ACC. I think that they like the position they are in. But crazier things have happened. If the ax falls for the ACC it will be extremely quick. But despite all of the rumors, as things stand now, the ACC is staying together because the Big10 wants it to stay together and so does another entity - ESPN.
a) If ND is contacted by 7 ACC teams for the 8th vote, standing pat risks the 7 finding an 8th elsewhere and another P2 landing spot taken. An SEC/B1G that has consolidated all of the other brands and major flagships don't need ND to separate and host a closed playoff. b) I've seen where many commentors have claimed that the B1G has clearly stated an intention to add more PAC12 teams, but I haven't seen it directly from reporting. That intent doesn't seem to reconcile with actual events either. c) The BIG has no interest in flagships and/or schools in one of the fastest growing regions and with deep recruiting? d) The worst-case scenario for the B1G in my view is being effectively locked out of Texas, the Southeast, & Florida. In a generation the SEC would dominate most college sports, especially football and basketball.
FSU and Miami are not going to the B1G. The B1G would excuse AAU membership for ND but they are not going to do that for a anyone else. If the ACC GoR is broken, FSU is SEC bound and Miami has no choice but to go to the XII.
A lot of people get confused with Notre Dame, they aren’t an affiliate member with the ACC, they are a full time non-football member, that is why they have a vote. An affiliate member is like Missouri being in the Big 12 for wrestling, and Notre Dame in the Big Ten for hockey.
If the ACC dissolves and ND takes Stanford into the B10 then I see the next two teams coming from the ACC going to the B10 to make 20. UNC and one of the Virginia schools would be my prediction.
I agree in part. ACC dissolves, Notre Dame in the Big Ten with Stanford, however, I think Cal follows sister school UCLA to the Big Ten. They have the same president (and a former OSU president). It also locks up the No. 9 TV market in the Bay area. That leaves 1 vacancy. Here's my dark horse school: Boston College. It extends our reach in to the No. 6 TV market, adds another Irish rival (and another Catholic school), and gives balance to the East flank schools (Maryland, Rutgers). I just don''t see the Big Ten heading South. Yet.
@@Alan.Endicott Word is USC is pushing back on any further west coast B10 expansion. The growing markets and money are in the Southeast. UNC seems to be the big prize for both B10 and SEC. I could easily see FSU as the second school over the Virginia schools for both market and recruiting.
@@thomaswallace7337 I've heard that rumor, but I think reason prevails. I think theirs is a monetary consideration. USC (and UCLA) feel like since they brought the LA market they don't want to diminish their cut of the revenue with other West coast teams. I think that can be offset by other teams accepting a smaller cut initially as Rutgers did. They can do that and still receive substantially more revenue that presently. The league needs the symmetry 4 West coast teams bring. The question is who are the final 2.
VT going 3-9 even in the worst of rebuilding years is a joke. last year was the worst football i’ve ever seen Tech play and they still went bowling and had an upset over UNC. tech hits the over this year and goes 7-5 or 8-4, 4-0 non conference.
Gbd, i wanna knw ur honest oppinion. im not too thrilled of the possibility of college football only being two conferences consisting of 25-30 teams per conf. i just dont think its good for college football. How do you feel bout that beingvthe future of cfb
Florida State will be better than expected and will take NC State behind the woodshed. Notre Dame’s vote might be some of the help in conference realignment that FSU’s President was speaking about. 🐴🔥🏹
ESPN came out at said it doesn’t support the Power 2. That means the most the SEC would take are 4 schools. Likewise, the B1G is still looking at the PAC schools. Yes it wants Norte Dame. Maybe Florida St and UNC. However, that only amounts to 7. No ACC wants to go to the Big 12. The math doesn’t add up for an ACC break-up.
It does if the 2 conferences work together. B1G gets ND, SEC gets Clemson and FSU for sure. 1 gets Virginia the other gets Virginia Tech, 1 Gets UNC the other gets NC State/Duke. The B1G adds 1 more Miami or Georgia Tech. That's 8 total, but only happens if B1G wants 24. The B1G will still want at least 3 more PAC schools to get to 20 to fill the late window so they have in conference games for all 4 time slots.
@@mikebuck1897 I agree and have used that point in arguments against the 2 splitting theory. With that said if the ultimate goal is indeed to split the 2 working together temporarily to break up the ACC is a possibility. Or even just the 2 wanting 24 each could cause a temporary truce to poach the ACC. I'm of the opinion that if both go to 20 without ACC schools and want 24 they'll likely work together in some way to break up the ACC so they can ultimately get the schools they really want. I also think it will ultimately come down to CFP negotiations and whether it would truly benefit them to expand beyond 20 or not.
@@joshuatayloe8616 the thing is, ESPN has the ACC by the family jewels. It doesn’t want the ACC to break up. ESPN basically owns the SEC now. Due to that, it’s not going to bite the hand that feeds it.
@@mikebuck1897 true, but it could be a quid pro quo situation. The SEC adds 4 now that ESPN wants if ESPN does not interfere with the SEC adding ACC schools. My ultimate prediction is 3 conferences of 24 teams the B1G, SEC, and the combo of the remaining ACC/Big 12/PAC +3 G5 schools. This would allow ESPN to keep the ACC network by just rebranding it to whatever the new conference will be called.
Big Ten going west was the best thing to happen to the ACC. They need to pluck four ACC teams or three plus ND if SEC stops at four. This could be after adding four West Coast teams. I don’t see their schools as having the appetite for adding ten teams within a year let alone the next decade.
@@crabcakesandfootball4619 if the Oregon Ducks and the Washington Huskies have joined the Big Ten Conference, the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes are also joining, but for the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets are gonna joining the American Athletic Conference, whose possible expansion could probably include the Liberty Flames, the New Mexico Lobos, the San Jose State Spartans, the Louisiana Tech Bulldogs, and the Florida Tech Golden Panthers
@@crabcakesandfootball4619 As for the Wake Forest Demon Deacons, they might gonna join the Sun Belt Conference along with the Duke Blue Devils, the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, the Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders, the Jacksonville State Gamecocks, the Sam Houston State Bearkats, the UTEP Miners, and the New Mexico State Aggies
You were right about UofL looking for a new coach but dead wrong on their record. They went 7-5 instead of 4-8. Scott left for Cincinnati before Josh Heird could even consider whether or not to fire him.
None of this is going to happen. The ACC gets a bump to make them feel better. ESPN won’t allow the SEC to expand with ACC teams. B10 will expand West if they add teams. There may be expansion in the 2030s in the ACC. Not before!
ESPN won't need to make the ACC feel better The ACC has already increases their payouts on their own and ESPN is looking at expanding and increasing ACC pay right now
I want 1993 Big Ten - Pac Ten playing in the Rose Bowl, but guess what that ship has sailed. With 2 power conferences the B1G can re-assemble the best parts of the Pac Ten combine it with some ACC teams and bam you have 2 sub-conferences that can play for the conference championship in the Rose Bowl.
I don't think the Notre Dame Fighting Irish could probably involve into the dissolution of the Atlantic Coast Conference and it's Grant of Rights, because there's no way those 7 teams could probably go to the likes of the Big 12 Conference and the Big Ten Conference
I tell you bud if you just winged all this by reading it W O W. . You ought to get a pay raise or at least a look at from a TV station or radio show. Great that WVU is in the Big12. We will expand east eventually.
I hoping for ACC to break the grant of rights. At this point I’m looking forward to seeing three super conferences. The playoff expanding to 12. The only monkey wrench. That could stop this is how much money is espn willing to give ACC if they renegotiate there deal!
The only way for 3 REAL Superconferences is IF the ACC stays together and adds the TOP of the PAC and Big 12. Only then coud enough POWER teams exist in 1 Conference anywhere close to the levels of the SEC and BIG. This is NOT just because over 1/2 of the top expansion candidates are IN the ACC but because they only way to BREAK the GOR of the ACC would be to take 8 teams from it. If you take the top 8 ACC to the BIG and SEC there is not enough leftover to create a 3rd Super Conference. If the SEC and BIG raid the ACC and PAC the Big 12 is going to be decidedly worse than the BIG and SEC. There is no scenario where the Big 12 can take an ACC team until AFTER 8 other ACC teams leave for the BIG and SEC. You are taking about taking the scraps and making a feast. That does not work. But if the ACC were to take the MEAT and Entrees and best Side Dishes from the Big 12 and PAC... that would be a FEAST worthy of a Super Conference.
ND would likely be interested in breaking the 5 ACC games they are required to play, that runs through 2036. The ACC pays ND $7 million a year for those games. Notre Dame may be willing to enter into a contract with the B1G, SEC, B12, or PAC-12 to play a similar of games.
My question is why....the 4 that would go to the big 12 that you pointed out....why would they give up their guaranteed 36is million to go to the big 12 and hope that the number is at least 50 million to offset and make up for the travel....also I'd imagine somebody in the big 12 group being salty and voting no just because they don't want to see the other guys get 100 million
They don’t. No ACC school prefers the Big 12 over the ACC (just like no PAC school prefers the Big 12 over the PAC). However, should either the PAC or ACC lose some schools, then some of those schools could go to the Big 12. A diluted Big 12 is still better than a Group 5 conference.
@@mikebuck1897 In 2026 the ACC Contract is bigger than the Big 12 and it continues to outpace the Big 12 forever. And tht is BEFORE the ACC announced it;s new deals with COMCAST XFINITY and others recently. The ACC is NOT disolving it is EXPANDING and GROWING Your info is OLD and never way accurate
@@mikebuck1897 The 3-5-5 scheduling change is expansion friendly The new deal with COMCAST XFINITY and other is ready made for expansion into additional large TV Markets The uncertainty in the PAC and Big 12 is an expansion friendly climate The ACC said they were going to expand to 20 teams ESPN is holding lots of CASH for College Sports it is no longer spnding o the BIG and FOX has thrown down a gauntlet I would say all signs point towards expansion Seattle, Phoenix, San Francisco/San Jose, Denver, Portland, Salt Lake City all up for grabs Oklahoma City, Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Kansas City all up for grabs All signs point towards Expansion and a renegotiated TV Contract that absorbs the ESPN $ that would have gone to the BIG and PAC
@@brucemercer7753 ESPN will definitely renegotiate its contract with the ACC. I just don’t think it’s going to be the money you’re expecting. The SEC is going to play 9 conferences games soon. That’s going to require ESPN paying a lot more to it. ACC is in better shape than the PAC (which is destined to fold). However, any expansion talk is VERY optimistic. It’s like the Utah people thinking they’re going to get an invite to the B1G. Could happen. Probably won’t though.
10-2 for NC State would be great, at least 9 hopefully, but I don't think Syracuse can beat them, more likely UNC since it's a rivalry game that cares little about how good or bad either is. And there is always the possibility the first game combined with rivalry could mean the ECU game could as easily be a loss as a win.
If the NC State Wolfpack joins the Big 12 Conference, i think the NCAA could probably have 5 Mega Conferences such as the Southeastern Conference, the Big Ten Conference, the Big 12 Conference, the American Athletic Conference, and the Sun Belt Conference
Louisville will be a sleeper. They have arguably the best QB in the ACC in Malik Cunningham. Louisville averaged 31.62 points per game last season. The issue was the defensive side which has added talent like FSU transfer Jarvis Brownlee jr and linebacker Monty Montgomery returns from injury who was out most of the season. The offensive side has added top FCS WR Tyler Hudson and Miami Transfer Dee Wiggins. Also Tennessee transfer RB Tiyon Evans. Louisville has also added several staff members like offensive of coordinator Lance Taylor who comes from ND. This team has a chance to really surprise some people.
with VaTech... if we do the Deptula method off 50/50 games representing .5 then VA tech would go 7-5 so split the difference with your 3-9 and its 5-7 When you gonna cruise down Hwy 178 and come get some wings at my place? Bubba Clemson will take care of ya! I got ya on the dietary thing not gonna kill you with volcano hot 🔥 stuff. 😂 hit me up.
No one in the ACC wants to go to the B12. That is crazy talk. Plus it is not news that ND has a vote with the ACC. They are a member, despite not being involved with the football side. ND isn't going to the B1G, they stay independent. The ACC / ESPN is a strong one that will keep us intact. No one is going anywhere.
a) FOX gets the new BIG12 deal and agrees to pay more per team if it expands with the needed ACC schools? Neither L''VILLE nor PITT have any strong history or rivals with current ACC teams. b) ND may vote to threaten dissolution to negate or lessen its binding scheduling agreement and/or to negate the "must join if" agreement. c) All nuke discussions assume that ESPN hasn't agreed on a new competitive media deal, so focus on the what if it doesn't
@@elliottcrews4997 ESPN has had over a year to renegotiate because efforts were certainly a high priority since the TX/OK news. Moreover, Phillips did not sound confident during media days. My gut is telling me that the longer ESPN delays, the more schools will want a nuke regardless of what ESPN offers. You have been slow to acknowledge reality all along. Additional delays just create anger and increases future flight risks.
@@elliottcrews4997 Again, the longer ESPN delays, the more schools will want a nuke regardless of what ESPN offers. If the BIG12 contract is high enough, that makes a nuke even more certain, so a delay increases ESPN's risk.
Problem is they have a TERRIBLE defense, so they need a gridiron GENERAL like Sam Hartman to KNOW they will score when they need to. Wake Forest will have an offense that accumulates a lot of yardage but bc they lost Sam Hartman they won't have the poise to not panic when their defense gives up 40+ points a game..
@@GoldBlueDude I agree with that, but I just don’t see them dropping all these games that you have them losing. Could be because I like to root for teams that in the new CFB landscape shouldn’t be good.
Clemson to SEC Florida State to the Big Ten North Carolina to the SEC Virginia does not belong in the SEC so I'll put them in the Big 10 Georgia Tech a lot of people are going to jump on my ass for this but they should come back to the the SEC they are a founding member and at the very least they deserve that respect Virginia Tech to the SEC Miami to the SEC
Georgia tech in the Big10 would be huge presence in the number 4.5 market in the country. They aren't a football school but it would be a Rutgers type move.
@@craigkirsch6750 i don't think your wrong but your going have a bunch of power schools that 7 and 5 soon. Like Oklahoma, like Texas like Ole Miss like Auburn and Florida. You can't watch that exclusively.
GBD,I agree with all of your predictions. I think that ND will end up getting one more team to make it 8 teams.Then The Grant of Rights for The ACC will be no more. I believe that the 8th team will surprise people. If this does happen could it be b4 the 2022 College Football Season starts?
Hope it happens. I've been thinking about the expansion and if 20 teams is where we end up. Will come with a few "IF". If Notre Dame joins there is the west wing of Stanford, Oregon and Washington If Notre Dame doesn't join but the ACC GOR is broken. I see Washington, Oregon, UNC and 1 of {UVA, Miami, FSU} I think it ends there. 24 is to many.
The more power teams the conference controls, the closer it gets to being able to name it's price. I think there is a reason it wants a west wing, and an eventual southern wing (GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA and/or VT maybe even Duke), and after that, would there be a lot of surprise if they went after one of those two SEC Texas schools (or both?) and a southwestern group (3 of those four corners, Colorado, Utah, Arizona)? Suddenly the Texas schools are indivisible and the best of friends when it appears A&M decided to leak the Texas/OU conference move in a supposed effort to sabotage it? You might ask yourself (well YOU might not, being a Maryland fan) "Why take all these schools that are, in many cases, mediocre for decades in football and sometimes basketball too?" Because you aren't having more than maybe four or five of these schools rise to the top in any given year (and I say 4-5 in a huge league like this, not in the smaller conferences of today where it is 1-2) and usually it will be the same 4-5 and it is BETTER if it is the same 4-5. You need some losers. Hopefully the losers are decent in roundball (like Maryland, UCLA and Duke) because that's still a product you can put on the BTN. Now.... Maryland fan, wouldn't you like to see, assuming it didn't cost revenue, these old ACC rivals back to play regularly? Especially Duke, UNC and UVA? Hard to be too young to remember 10 years ago.... It's basically the old ACC (and old PAC with those four northern schools) all in the B1G. NC State (market saturation) and Wake (turd) being the only two that didn't make it along with Oregon State and Washington State. What did I even suggest here? 32 schools yet? This is NFL 2.0? Pac-6 + 3 four corners (9) Best of the ACC (except Pitt isn't terrible, just a market duplicate) (7) Texas A&M (1) Notre Dame would basically have to come after this carnage (1) Current Membership of the B1G (14) 32! Now that is a perfect number. These schools don't actually need to play each other every year. There can be a mini playoff in the conference too for added revenue. Break from the NCAA and arrange 2 preseason games per team as well for even more revenue. Keep/arrange yearly rivalry games with SEC schools in overlap states (VT/NC State to SEC maybe?) GT/Clemson/FSU. I think it basically shuts the SEC out of the west in all meaningful ways, it controls most of the premier content. There's only one other premier content conference (SEC) and one near peer (Big-12) left at that point. You'll get to name your price as a conference.
@@craigkirsch6750 I mean, your opinion is that it is too many? You think the conferences will think it's too many? I think it might be "too many" but the economics are likely fine, indeed, I suspect the bigger the better. Corner. The. Market(s). The more of the top product you control, the more people will pay for your product. Yeah, it's unlikely you'll control the SEC but if you have everything else you can demand more money as the NFL does. Also, you can shut out most of the lesser teams (an ever increasing number) and just invite the best of those to a playoff once in a while but don't play them anymore.
@@craigkirsch6750 I wouldn't be surprised if Warren and Sanki called each other. Hey Greg it's Kevin. I'll give you the ACC and I'll get the Pac12. You know Notre Dame is the big prize. If something goes wrong we'll go from their. I can amagine this conversation
@@benjaminhawkes6693 Doesn't matter what the conferences think, it is the networks that fork over the money. If the B1G goes to 24 it will dilute the share per school.
@@tarheel7406 That is true, but money talks. If ESPN ups their revenue, you’re not going to get the 8 votes to disband the conference. You’d get 5 votes, maybe 6. Too many would get left out and forced into the Big 12, and I doubt that’s an attractive option for many in the ACC. The ACC is a great conference, with very little travel.
@@jimedick9496 "If ESPN ups their revenue, you’re not going to get the 8 votes to disband the conference," And? I've said that since Day 1. If ESPN renegotiates a competitive new media deal, the ACC survives as a peer. My current working number is ~85% of the SEC/B1G benchmark. Everyone needs to predict a timeline and then reason from there. Will ESPN pay enough to prevent a nuke? If so, stop there. If not, will 8 votes be obtained, which again does not require 8 teams leaving or ESPN/SEC's cooperation.
@@tarheel7406 You said “ESPN doesn’t completely control the matter” after the original post stated that ESPN executives said the ACC isn’t going nowhere. I responded that they do control it from a financial side because no one is going to vote “no” if they up their financial payout. In fact, they absolutely control the matter! So if you said this already, why make your comment that they don’t control it? I’m not sure why you’re making an argument out of this? You’re contradicting yourself if that was the case. By the way, you don’t have to quote every thing I wrote. I know what I wrote. It makes your responses exhausting. Like the mass majority, just reply with your point, opinion, or reasoning.
Hope springs eternal in this anti-ACCer's heart. If the B10 expands westward, then the only counter option for the SEC for teams is the ACC. The ACC teams that want to keep the ACC together should just accept reality and go quietly into that good night. Hope the B10 doesn't lap the SEC as far as expansion goes. Even if they do, they still have to prove themselves on the FB field. So far that hasn't happened as the B10 hasn't won a FB NC in years. Adding ND would be a huge pickup but ND hasn't won a FB NC in a long long time. It's just a romantic fantasy for the B10. ND is a usedtawas. If they join the B10, their chances of a FB NC fade even further but interest in their pgm would skyrocket and so would their recruiting. ND comes across as a scaredy cat by remaining independent in FB. There isn't another ND like school for the SEC to add so what to do if ND decides to no longer declare its virginity. Well, let the play on the FB field speak for the SEC. It speaks volumes. ND shoud quit being a snob and join the SEC where they would have to prove themselves at least 4 or 5 times a season. Don't scoff. A few years ago Texas was being B10 snobbish and were of the opinion that they were too good for the SEC then $$$ signs started appearing as well as recruiting improving.
@@jkmarshall3553 Not really. I admire Clemson for its FB play the last few years but don't want them in the SEC because that is a recruiting advantage for USC. USC posters on our board used to claim that the reason USC couldn't win was because we are in a small state with two teams. I would point out that SC's population is larger than Bama's. Dabo has put that excuse to bed. FSU had their chance back in the early 90s but chickened out and joined the easy road ACC. This and Miami refusing the SEC was why USC was invited.😍🤩 Luck for USC and so far except for Spurrier's years USC has for the most part been a W for a lot of opposing SEC teams but we're no Vandy. Hope Shane can be Spurrier part two.
It will take more than 8 to get the dissolve Grant of Rights. There is no way Virginia Tech will vote for it, and neither is Miami either. They don't have much interests in the other two conferences.
Maybe a list of who would vote to remain would be the best. No school that isn't mentioned in expansion would vote to dissolve. WF, BC, and Syracuse are the obvious 3 that NEED the ACC. Louisville, NC State, and Duke are 3 more. I think the other 8 all have delusions of bigger things, but of the remaining Pittsburgh and one of the Virginias would probably be the next 2 that would vote to stay. Clemson, UNC, FSU, Miami, 1 of the Virginias, and GaTech all believe 100% they will land in the SEC or B1G.
And why would ND help break the GOR? They're an independant school in football, the ACC is good for their basketball program, and they don't want to go to the Big 10.....
Notre Dame will finish 10-2 this year. Virginia Tech will finish 5-7. North Carolina State will finish 11-1. Pitt will finish 10-2 this year. Pitt will lose to Tennessee and Miami.
@@larrypilgrim12 For the ~100th time, additive changes in a closed P2 world. Why is this so hard to understand? Just because no new BIG12 teams are additive doesn't mean that the un-depleted ACC doesn't have a number of additive schools. The ACC schools also have more synergies in blocs than the PAC12 does.
@@tarheel7406 for the 100th time, there are not 8 teams benefitting from the nuking of the acc. The acc isn't worth sec or b10 money. You saying synergy 100 times doesn't mean crap.
@@larrypilgrim12 Yeah, you just don't get it. Just because UTAH has little value in a closed P2 world, though I think it has a better chance than (e.g) WVU, doesn't mean a number of ACC teams don't. For some context, if UTAH were in the ACC, it would be among the bottom 3 in all sports and academics per the Altimore chart and assuming FSU has continued to improve academically since his data. Utah is a small but growing state, but UTAH as a school only has synergies with BYU, which isn't a school in the discussion. UTAH is not a necessary school for a deep and wide enough consolidation, while the Mid-Atlantic, Southeast & Florida are fast growing regions with already large populations. The need for 8 ACC votes to both free ND from all entanglements and to free high value, absolutely required schools for a separation, provides a tiebreaker advantage to the ACC bubble teams. I also suspect that your understandable UTAH point of view hinders your being able to see things from the B1G and SEC perspective.
I would choose VT over Virginia to the SEC. That battle of Bristol with Tennessee was a fun game to go too.
Yep VT is more SEC while UVa is more B1G
@@vivahernando1, I agree, UVA is not SEC material. I can see Va Tech and WVU in the SEC.
@@philipbaldwin2078 The best football product SEC would be WVU, UofL, FSU, Clemson, VaTech, Miami, NCSU, OKState,
@@vivahernando1, I agree.
I do agree that the Big 12 could take a few teams from the ACC and Pac 12.
UVa, UNC, Clemson and FSU to the SEC. ND, Miami, GT and Duke to the Big Ten. Plus as you discussed several teams would vote to dissolve because either the XII or SEC will add more as UNC won't leave NC ST without a home and the commonwealth will make sure VT has a home when Virginia leaves.
ESPN told SBJ yesterday they put a huge chunk of cash down up front to launch the ACCNetwork in 2016. They said they need the ACC to stay intact full term ( full 20 years) to get a return. They cannot lose that $$. ESPN and the SEC are huge TV partners. ESPN does not want the SEC to take any teams and made sure that GoR could not be broken or else they’d have never launched the ACCN. It would end up in a huge loss for ESPN if ACC teams left before 2036. If SEC takes teams, that would be a major disservice to ESPN. They won’t. ESPN is a great ESPN partner.
Exactly ESPN does not want anything to happen to the ACC. this guy just makes up all his information for clicks
a) ESPN is not a party to the GOR
b) ESPN has no control or leverage over the B1G, BIG12, FOX or the individual ACC members in this context
c) ESPN cannot bloc an ACC nuke and pillage by other parties, it can only keep the SEC from cooperating
Eric, I heard that, also, but the ACC doesn't get a vote on the GOR. It's inevitable. The ACC is gonna collapse. No quality FB with one exception. A lot of ACC schools don't care about FB. Tiny HS stadiums. The ACC is similar to the Pac12 as far as attitudes about FB go. They are prissy and don't want to get their FB uniforms dirty. The Pac12 is about to disappear and that is the future of the ACC.
Everybody saying the ACC loses anybody has ni clue hat they are talking about.
They all see CONFERENCES as the movers and shakers and the Conferecnes have NO POWER. The Deciders... are ESPN and FOX not the conferences.
@@brucemercer7753 "The Deciders... are ESPN and FOX not the conferences."
Actually, a former ESPN executive who recently made the rounds said the exact opposite. The reality is likely somewhere in between. The conferences consult the broadcasters as to the effect of a possible move and then decide.
If ACC breaks up, ORWA isn't going into the B10.
If that happens, Big 12 get their pick of the remaning litter...lots to choose from, Ga Tech, BC Pitt louisville, Syracuse, NC State...
Who is most likely to be #8? Seems like it's one of GT, NCST, Pitt, or Louisville. I hope it happens and the ACC dissolves, then FSU, Clemson and two more can go to the SEC.
No, you want ND to join ACC. FSU in SEC is automatic 4 losses a year.
The ACC would be smart to use the idea of dissolution to force ESPN to up the anty on the GOR. Every member should vote in favor of dissolving, whether they intend on it or not. ESPN needs the ACC to remain intact. The ACC should squeeze the shit out of ESPN. Make the contract equal to the SEC, going foward,or go pound sand. Then, the ACC could expand and create their own super conference.
ESPN has nothing to do with the GOR an you have no clue what you are talking about. But I do like your style in thinking. But it is NOT necessary.
ESPN is already working on what you want, It has been in the works for a few years, These things take time and that time is almost here.
@@brucemercer7753 ESPN has the TV contract rights with the ACC thru 2036. Don't know what planet you live on or what sports you watch but you should do a little research before you make an ass of yourself.
.
Boom - only leverage they have at this point. They have to use it, and they will.
If there's a chance 8 teams potentially would vote to dissolve, I can see ESPN offering a lot more $$$$ to keep it together and dissuade a few schools to change their mind. Personally, I just don't see where 8 teams from the ACC will find a new home. At best, I see 6 or 7 teams finding a home... at best. But again, the potential of ESPN losing a whole conference I think wakes them the F up and causes them to throw $$$ at the problem.
BINGO...
This guy just makes shit up all the time. All these WVU “insiders” do it
@@2299mikey That's a huge 10-4! LOL
That is probably what will happen. Use the threat of breaking it to get more money.
@@jeffreywhitlock4882 the problem is if espn offers more money a new gor has to be signed for that new price and teams won’t sign it
Notre Dame does have a vote but has zero incentive to vote to break up the ACC - but never trust the Irish - they could vote either way. Four teams to the SEC is a given, but 3 teams to the Big 12 is not going to be attractive to those teams, even if the money is a little better. The brands that they are currently playing in the ACC are better and travel is better. So getting those three other teams will be troublesome. The Big 10 has made it very clear that they are interested in going to 20 by going out west and raiding the Pac 12. There is no reason for the Big 10 to go to 24 and taking 4 ACC schools - the 4 teams added to the SEC by this manuver will be more beneficial to the SEC than the Big 10. The Big 10 could have partnered with the SEC and carved up the ACC. They didn't. Instead all of their energy has been going West. Adding Clemson and Florida State to the SEC greatly benefits the SEC, the Big 10 is happier seeing those schools in the ACC and being a step above the SEC. Right now the Big10 has the SEC with its hands tied being unable to raid the ACC. I think that they like the position they are in. But crazier things have happened. If the ax falls for the ACC it will be extremely quick. But despite all of the rumors, as things stand now, the ACC is staying together because the Big10 wants it to stay together and so does another entity - ESPN.
a) If ND is contacted by 7 ACC teams for the 8th vote, standing pat risks the 7 finding an 8th elsewhere and another P2 landing spot taken. An SEC/B1G that has consolidated all of the other brands and major flagships don't need ND to separate and host a closed playoff.
b) I've seen where many commentors have claimed that the B1G has clearly stated an intention to add more PAC12 teams, but I haven't seen it directly from reporting. That intent doesn't seem to reconcile with actual events either.
c) The BIG has no interest in flagships and/or schools in one of the fastest growing regions and with deep recruiting?
d) The worst-case scenario for the B1G in my view is being effectively locked out of Texas, the Southeast, & Florida. In a generation the SEC would dominate most college sports, especially football and basketball.
The difference between the SEC and the B10 is the SEC doesn’t need to expand.
FSU and Miami are not going to the B1G. The B1G would excuse AAU membership for ND but they are not going to do that for a anyone else. If the ACC GoR is broken, FSU is SEC bound and Miami has no choice but to go to the XII.
A lot of people get confused with Notre Dame, they aren’t an affiliate member with the ACC, they are a full time non-football member, that is why they have a vote. An affiliate member is like Missouri being in the Big 12 for wrestling, and Notre Dame in the Big Ten for hockey.
If the ACC dissolves and ND takes Stanford into the B10 then I see the next two teams coming from the ACC going to the B10 to make 20. UNC and one of the Virginia schools would be my prediction.
I agree in part. ACC dissolves, Notre Dame in the Big Ten with Stanford, however, I think Cal follows sister school UCLA to the Big Ten. They have the same president (and a former OSU president). It also locks up the No. 9 TV market in the Bay area. That leaves 1 vacancy. Here's my dark horse school: Boston College. It extends our reach in to the No. 6 TV market, adds another Irish rival (and another Catholic school), and gives balance to the East flank schools (Maryland, Rutgers). I just don''t see the Big Ten heading South. Yet.
@@Alan.Endicott Word is USC is pushing back on any further west coast B10 expansion. The growing markets and money are in the Southeast. UNC seems to be the big prize for both B10 and SEC. I could easily see FSU as the second school over the Virginia schools for both market and recruiting.
@@thomaswallace7337 I've heard that rumor, but I think reason prevails. I think theirs is a monetary consideration. USC (and UCLA) feel like since they brought the LA market they don't want to diminish their cut of the revenue with other West coast teams. I think that can be offset by other teams accepting a smaller cut initially as Rutgers did. They can do that and still receive substantially more revenue that presently. The league needs the symmetry 4 West coast teams bring. The question is who are the final 2.
VT going 3-9 even in the worst of rebuilding years is a joke. last year was the worst football i’ve ever seen Tech play and they still went bowling and had an upset over UNC. tech hits the over this year and goes 7-5 or 8-4, 4-0 non conference.
BIG10 would need a balance school for Gatech. Virginia Tech brings a solid fan base.
If the ACC breaks up ND goes to the big ten with Stanford and Oregon dude
Gbd, i wanna knw ur honest oppinion. im not too thrilled of the possibility of college football only being two conferences consisting of 25-30 teams per conf. i just dont think its good for college football. How do you feel bout that beingvthe future of cfb
Well I'm ok with it AS LONG AS... there's AT LEAST 60 teams total, and they do regional pods within the conference to keep rivalries in tact..
I agree with pods, and keepin rivalries intact. Im just not a huge fan of changes, and that would be a huge change.
Florida State will be better than expected and will take NC State behind the woodshed. Notre Dame’s vote might be some of the help in conference realignment that FSU’s President was speaking about. 🐴🔥🏹
NC State would be the candidate for the SEC & boom there's your 8.
ESPN came out at said it doesn’t support the Power 2. That means the most the SEC would take are 4 schools. Likewise, the B1G is still looking at the PAC schools. Yes it wants Norte Dame. Maybe Florida St and UNC. However, that only amounts to 7. No ACC wants to go to the Big 12. The math doesn’t add up for an ACC break-up.
It does if the 2 conferences work together. B1G gets ND, SEC gets Clemson and FSU for sure. 1 gets Virginia the other gets Virginia Tech, 1 Gets UNC the other gets NC State/Duke. The B1G adds 1 more Miami or Georgia Tech. That's 8 total, but only happens if B1G wants 24. The B1G will still want at least 3 more PAC schools to get to 20 to fill the late window so they have in conference games for all 4 time slots.
@@joshuatayloe8616 the conferences aren’t going to work together. The B1G is now controlled by Fox. The SEC is controlled by ESPN.
@@mikebuck1897 I agree and have used that point in arguments against the 2 splitting theory. With that said if the ultimate goal is indeed to split the 2 working together temporarily to break up the ACC is a possibility. Or even just the 2 wanting 24 each could cause a temporary truce to poach the ACC. I'm of the opinion that if both go to 20 without ACC schools and want 24 they'll likely work together in some way to break up the ACC so they can ultimately get the schools they really want. I also think it will ultimately come down to CFP negotiations and whether it would truly benefit them to expand beyond 20 or not.
@@joshuatayloe8616 the thing is, ESPN has the ACC by the family jewels. It doesn’t want the ACC to break up. ESPN basically owns the SEC now. Due to that, it’s not going to bite the hand that feeds it.
@@mikebuck1897 true, but it could be a quid pro quo situation. The SEC adds 4 now that ESPN wants if ESPN does not interfere with the SEC adding ACC schools. My ultimate prediction is 3 conferences of 24 teams the B1G, SEC, and the combo of the remaining ACC/Big 12/PAC +3 G5 schools. This would allow ESPN to keep the ACC network by just rebranding it to whatever the new conference will be called.
Big Ten going west was the best thing to happen to the ACC. They need to pluck four ACC teams or three plus ND if SEC stops at four. This could be after adding four West Coast teams. I don’t see their schools as having the appetite for adding ten teams within a year let alone the next decade.
Just stop at 19 and when Notre Dame is ready they can be 20.
This 24 is a non starter for me. I'll walk away like I did Nascar.
@@crabcakesandfootball4619 if the Oregon Ducks and the Washington Huskies have joined the Big Ten Conference, the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes are also joining, but for the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets are gonna joining the American Athletic Conference, whose possible expansion could probably include the Liberty Flames, the New Mexico Lobos, the San Jose State Spartans, the Louisiana Tech Bulldogs, and the Florida Tech Golden Panthers
@@crabcakesandfootball4619 As for the Wake Forest Demon Deacons, they might gonna join the Sun Belt Conference along with the Duke Blue Devils, the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, the Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders, the Jacksonville State Gamecocks, the Sam Houston State Bearkats, the UTEP Miners, and the New Mexico State Aggies
You were right about UofL looking for a new coach but dead wrong on their record. They went 7-5 instead of 4-8. Scott left for Cincinnati before Josh Heird could even consider whether or not to fire him.
None of this is going to happen. The ACC gets a bump to make them feel better.
ESPN won’t allow the SEC to expand with ACC teams.
B10 will expand West if they add teams.
There may be expansion in the 2030s in the ACC.
Not before!
ESPN won't need to make the ACC feel better
The ACC has already increases their payouts on their own
and
ESPN is looking at expanding and increasing ACC pay right now
As a huge B1G fan I am not a fan of the thoughts about power 2 conferences at all.
I want 1993 Big Ten - Pac Ten playing in the Rose Bowl, but guess what that ship has sailed.
With 2 power conferences the B1G can re-assemble the best parts of the Pac Ten combine it with some ACC teams and bam you have 2 sub-conferences that can play for the conference championship in the Rose Bowl.
Syracuse NY is where I live and they might be the eighth team to break the grant of rights
At this point, sure why not? And Duke "might" join the Pac 12. This is all getting so ridiculous.
If ND wants out of its ACC deal, it must be planning a move to either The BIG or The SEC. Or, they just want true independence?
That or they think they can get the same deal with the Big 10/SEC and make more money while staying independent in football
Heard a rumor where?? Dont see this anywhere on the interwebs
I don't think the Notre Dame Fighting Irish could probably involve into the dissolution of the Atlantic Coast Conference and it's Grant of Rights, because there's no way those 7 teams could probably go to the likes of the Big 12 Conference and the Big Ten Conference
I tell you bud if you just winged all this by reading it W O W. . You ought to get a pay raise or at least a look at from a TV station or radio show. Great that WVU is in the Big12. We will expand east eventually.
A darkhorse by 2025 regarding conference realignment will be ... UConn
No confidence in Grant Wells? Come on, VT is not going 3-9.
I hoping for ACC to break the grant of rights. At this point I’m looking forward to seeing three super conferences. The playoff expanding to 12. The only monkey wrench. That could stop this is how much money is espn willing to give ACC if they renegotiate there deal!
The only way for 3 REAL Superconferences is IF the ACC stays together and adds the TOP of the PAC and Big 12. Only then coud enough POWER teams exist in 1 Conference anywhere close to the levels of the SEC and BIG.
This is NOT just because over 1/2 of the top expansion candidates are IN the ACC but because they only way to BREAK the GOR of the ACC would be to take 8 teams from it. If you take the top 8 ACC to the BIG and SEC there is not enough leftover to create a 3rd Super Conference.
If the SEC and BIG raid the ACC and PAC the Big 12 is going to be decidedly worse than the BIG and SEC. There is no scenario where the Big 12 can take an ACC team until AFTER 8 other ACC teams leave for the BIG and SEC.
You are taking about taking the scraps and making a feast. That does not work.
But if the ACC were to take the MEAT and Entrees and best Side Dishes from the Big 12 and PAC... that would be a FEAST worthy of a Super Conference.
Notre Dame 's NOT GOING TO The BIG
ND would likely be interested in breaking the 5 ACC games they are required to play, that runs through 2036. The ACC pays ND $7 million a year for those games. Notre Dame may be willing to enter into a contract with the B1G, SEC, B12, or PAC-12 to play a similar of games.
My question is why....the 4 that would go to the big 12 that you pointed out....why would they give up their guaranteed 36is million to go to the big 12 and hope that the number is at least 50 million to offset and make up for the travel....also I'd imagine somebody in the big 12 group being salty and voting no just because they don't want to see the other guys get 100 million
They don’t. No ACC school prefers the Big 12 over the ACC (just like no PAC school prefers the Big 12 over the PAC). However, should either the PAC or ACC lose some schools, then some of those schools could go to the Big 12. A diluted Big 12 is still better than a Group 5 conference.
@@mikebuck1897 In 2026 the ACC Contract is bigger than the Big 12 and it continues to outpace the Big 12 forever. And tht is BEFORE the ACC announced it;s new deals with COMCAST XFINITY and others recently.
The ACC is NOT disolving it is EXPANDING and GROWING
Your info is OLD and never way accurate
@@brucemercer7753 I agree that the ACC’s GOR will hold it together. However, I don’t see it expanding.
@@mikebuck1897 The 3-5-5 scheduling change is expansion friendly
The new deal with COMCAST XFINITY and other is ready made for expansion into additional large TV Markets
The uncertainty in the PAC and Big 12 is an expansion friendly climate
The ACC said they were going to expand to 20 teams
ESPN is holding lots of CASH for College Sports it is no longer spnding o the BIG and FOX has thrown down a gauntlet
I would say all signs point towards expansion
Seattle, Phoenix, San Francisco/San Jose, Denver, Portland, Salt Lake City all up for grabs
Oklahoma City, Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth, Kansas City all up for grabs
All signs point towards Expansion and a renegotiated TV Contract that absorbs the ESPN $ that would have gone to the BIG and PAC
@@brucemercer7753 ESPN will definitely renegotiate its contract with the ACC. I just don’t think it’s going to be the money you’re expecting. The SEC is going to play 9 conferences games soon. That’s going to require ESPN paying a lot more to it. ACC is in better shape than the PAC (which is destined to fold). However, any expansion talk is VERY optimistic. It’s like the Utah people thinking they’re going to get an invite to the B1G. Could happen. Probably won’t though.
Did you see what mike gundy said about the new superintendent of the big 12
Do a video breaking down the NCAA rule changes.
I believe it will happen
10-2 for NC State would be great, at least 9 hopefully, but I don't think Syracuse can beat them, more likely UNC since it's a rivalry game that cares little about how good or bad either is. And there is always the possibility the first game combined with rivalry could mean the ECU game could as easily be a loss as a win.
If the NC State Wolfpack joins the Big 12 Conference, i think the NCAA could probably have 5 Mega Conferences such as the Southeastern Conference, the Big Ten Conference, the Big 12 Conference, the American Athletic Conference, and the Sun Belt Conference
Louisville will be a sleeper. They have arguably the best QB in the ACC in Malik Cunningham. Louisville averaged 31.62 points per game last season. The issue was the defensive side which has added talent like FSU transfer Jarvis Brownlee jr and linebacker Monty Montgomery returns from injury who was out most of the season. The offensive side has added top FCS WR Tyler Hudson and Miami Transfer Dee Wiggins. Also Tennessee transfer RB Tiyon Evans. Louisville has also added several staff members like offensive of coordinator Lance Taylor who comes from ND. This team has a chance to really surprise some people.
7 and 5 minimum imo now that WF lost their QB.
The Big XII and B1G will be expanding like American Pie 2: If the Big XII moves, the B1G moves. The Big XII makes another, the B1G makes another.
The 8th would be Duke or NC St
with VaTech... if we do the Deptula method off 50/50 games representing .5 then VA tech would go 7-5 so split the difference with your 3-9 and its 5-7
When you gonna cruise down Hwy 178 and come get some wings at my place? Bubba Clemson will take care of ya! I got ya on the dietary thing not gonna kill you with volcano hot 🔥 stuff. 😂 hit me up.
BYU over Notre Dame? That's just silly! 50/50 game? Only if Notre Dame keeps both the 1st & 2nd teams on the bench in the 2nd half!
Hey g&b dude,you care to wager on that louisville prediction?
There is no 50/50 loss against UCF. That’s a guaranteed loss
Didn't hear what part SC you from
Well I'm from West Virginia but I live near Clemson.
@@GoldBlueDude me too --Anderson and started to buy Clemson tickets for a few games but waiting till some of these TBD dates come out
No one in the ACC wants to go to the B12. That is crazy talk. Plus it is not news that ND has a vote with the ACC. They are a member, despite not being involved with the football side. ND isn't going to the B1G, they stay independent. The ACC / ESPN is a strong one that will keep us intact. No one is going anywhere.
a) FOX gets the new BIG12 deal and agrees to pay more per team if it expands with the needed ACC schools? Neither L''VILLE nor PITT have any strong history or rivals with current ACC teams.
b) ND may vote to threaten dissolution to negate or lessen its binding scheduling agreement and/or to negate the "must join if" agreement.
c) All nuke discussions assume that ESPN hasn't agreed on a new competitive media deal, so focus on the what if it doesn't
@@tarheel7406 ESPN has too much invested in the ACC to let it die and said that today. We'll be fine.
@@elliottcrews4997 ESPN has had over a year to renegotiate because efforts were certainly a high priority since the TX/OK news. Moreover, Phillips did not sound confident during media days. My gut is telling me that the longer ESPN delays, the more schools will want a nuke regardless of what ESPN offers. You have been slow to acknowledge reality all along. Additional delays just create anger and increases future flight risks.
@@tarheel7406 I wouldn't think they would want to renegotiate until the smoke clears, who gets B12 contract, does PAC survive, etc.
@@elliottcrews4997 Again, the longer ESPN delays, the more schools will want a nuke regardless of what ESPN offers. If the BIG12 contract is high enough, that makes a nuke even more certain, so a delay increases ESPN's risk.
VT losing to ODU AND Liberty in the same season???? You're high.
UVa as a school fits in better with the B1G than the SEC,
You are forgetting that Wake Forest will still have a high powered offense without Sam Hartman. (Just my prediction)
Problem is they have a TERRIBLE defense, so they need a gridiron GENERAL like Sam Hartman to KNOW they will score when they need to. Wake Forest will have an offense that accumulates a lot of yardage but bc they lost Sam Hartman they won't have the poise to not panic when their defense gives up 40+ points a game..
@@GoldBlueDude I agree with that, but I just don’t see them dropping all these games that you have them losing. Could be because I like to root for teams that in the new CFB landscape shouldn’t be good.
10k....CHECK......LET'S GO
Although 8 votes to dissolve the GOR, but it takes 15 votes to escape $$$penalties.
It takes all 15 to negate the GOR. It only takes 8 to dissolve the ACC or threaten same, which negates the GOR and penalties.
heard big 12 contacted minnesota. anything still happening here?
If they did that is tortuous interference.
Clemson to SEC Florida State to the Big Ten North Carolina to the SEC Virginia does not belong in the SEC so I'll put them in the Big 10 Georgia Tech a lot of people are going to jump on my ass for this but they should come back to the the SEC they are a founding member and at the very least they deserve that respect Virginia Tech to the SEC Miami to the SEC
Louisville will be better than people think this year.
Georgia tech in the Big10 would be huge presence in the number 4.5 market in the country.
They aren't a football school but it would be a Rutgers type move.
Everyone in Atlanta watches the SEC and that isn't changing.
@@craigkirsch6750 i don't think your wrong but your going have a bunch of power schools that 7 and 5 soon. Like Oklahoma, like Texas like Ole Miss like Auburn and Florida. You can't watch that exclusively.
GBD,I agree with all of your predictions.
I think that ND will end up getting one more team to make it 8 teams.Then The Grant of Rights for The ACC will be no more. I believe that the 8th team will surprise people. If this does happen could it be b4 the 2022 College Football Season starts?
Awesome 👌
I don't see Notre Dame joining the BIG10. I say they go completely solo with Oregon.
Going completely solo with the direction realignment is going is a deathnell. No money in independents
@@nathantravis5659 Notre Dame is already doing it an organ on his Phil Knight.
@@nathantravis5659 Notre Dame is already doing it and Oregon on his Phil Knight.
Duke is going to surprise some people. I'm thinking 4 maybe 5 wins
Duke winning 4 or 5 would not surprise me.
Hope it happens. I've been thinking about the expansion and if 20 teams is where we end up.
Will come with a few "IF".
If Notre Dame joins there is the west wing of Stanford, Oregon and Washington
If Notre Dame doesn't join but the ACC GOR is broken. I see Washington, Oregon, UNC and 1 of {UVA, Miami, FSU}
I think it ends there. 24 is to many.
The more power teams the conference controls, the closer it gets to being able to name it's price. I think there is a reason it wants a west wing, and an eventual southern wing (GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA and/or VT maybe even Duke), and after that, would there be a lot of surprise if they went after one of those two SEC Texas schools (or both?) and a southwestern group (3 of those four corners, Colorado, Utah, Arizona)? Suddenly the Texas schools are indivisible and the best of friends when it appears A&M decided to leak the Texas/OU conference move in a supposed effort to sabotage it? You might ask yourself (well YOU might not, being a Maryland fan) "Why take all these schools that are, in many cases, mediocre for decades in football and sometimes basketball too?" Because you aren't having more than maybe four or five of these schools rise to the top in any given year (and I say 4-5 in a huge league like this, not in the smaller conferences of today where it is 1-2) and usually it will be the same 4-5 and it is BETTER if it is the same 4-5. You need some losers. Hopefully the losers are decent in roundball (like Maryland, UCLA and Duke) because that's still a product you can put on the BTN.
Now.... Maryland fan, wouldn't you like to see, assuming it didn't cost revenue, these old ACC rivals back to play regularly? Especially Duke, UNC and UVA? Hard to be too young to remember 10 years ago.... It's basically the old ACC (and old PAC with those four northern schools) all in the B1G. NC State (market saturation) and Wake (turd) being the only two that didn't make it along with Oregon State and Washington State.
What did I even suggest here? 32 schools yet? This is NFL 2.0?
Pac-6 + 3 four corners (9)
Best of the ACC (except Pitt isn't terrible, just a market duplicate) (7)
Texas A&M (1)
Notre Dame would basically have to come after this carnage (1)
Current Membership of the B1G (14)
32! Now that is a perfect number. These schools don't actually need to play each other every year. There can be a mini playoff in the conference too for added revenue.
Break from the NCAA and arrange 2 preseason games per team as well for even more revenue.
Keep/arrange yearly rivalry games with SEC schools in overlap states (VT/NC State to SEC maybe?) GT/Clemson/FSU.
I think it basically shuts the SEC out of the west in all meaningful ways, it controls most of the premier content. There's only one other premier content conference (SEC) and one near peer (Big-12) left at that point. You'll get to name your price as a conference.
24 is too many, won't happen, 20 is the most.
@@craigkirsch6750 I mean, your opinion is that it is too many? You think the conferences will think it's too many? I think it might be "too many" but the economics are likely fine, indeed, I suspect the bigger the better. Corner. The. Market(s). The more of the top product you control, the more people will pay for your product. Yeah, it's unlikely you'll control the SEC but if you have everything else you can demand more money as the NFL does. Also, you can shut out most of the lesser teams (an ever increasing number) and just invite the best of those to a playoff once in a while but don't play them anymore.
@@craigkirsch6750 I wouldn't be surprised if Warren and Sanki called each other.
Hey Greg it's Kevin. I'll give you the ACC and I'll get the Pac12.
You know Notre Dame is the big prize.
If something goes wrong we'll go from their.
I can amagine this conversation
@@benjaminhawkes6693 Doesn't matter what the conferences think, it is the networks that fork over the money. If the B1G goes to 24 it will dilute the share per school.
Virginia Tech going 9-3 don't sleep on us
This probably will happen
Good info. ND is not going to vote against the ACC GOR.
I agree. But that "rumor" was enough bs for a video today... and all the comments. LOL!
Espn executive said ACC is going know where
How about no where.
ESPN doesn't completely control the matter
@@tarheel7406
That is true, but money talks. If ESPN ups their revenue, you’re not going to get the 8 votes to disband the conference. You’d get 5 votes, maybe 6. Too many would get left out and forced into the Big 12, and I doubt that’s an attractive option for many in the ACC. The ACC is a great conference, with very little travel.
@@jimedick9496 "If ESPN ups their revenue, you’re not going to get the 8 votes to disband the conference,"
And? I've said that since Day 1. If ESPN renegotiates a competitive new media deal, the ACC survives as a peer. My current working number is ~85% of the SEC/B1G benchmark.
Everyone needs to predict a timeline and then reason from there. Will ESPN pay enough to prevent a nuke? If so, stop there. If not, will 8 votes be obtained, which again does not require 8 teams leaving or ESPN/SEC's cooperation.
@@tarheel7406
You said “ESPN doesn’t completely control the matter” after the original post stated that ESPN executives said the ACC isn’t going nowhere.
I responded that they do control it from a financial side because no one is going to vote “no” if they up their financial payout. In fact, they absolutely control the matter!
So if you said this already, why make your comment that they don’t control it? I’m not sure why you’re making an argument out of this? You’re contradicting yourself if that was the case.
By the way, you don’t have to quote every thing I wrote. I know what I wrote. It makes your responses exhausting. Like the mass majority, just reply with your point, opinion, or reasoning.
Why not talk about syracuse
I will but not in this video..
ESPN will keep the acc intact
ND goes 8 and 4 this year. They also lose to Clemson.
I heard that ESPN will not be releasing the ACC grant of rights. Nope. Won't.
Doesn’t matter what they want if 8 schools vote to dissolve.
ESPN isn't a party to the GOR
Hope springs eternal in this anti-ACCer's heart. If the B10 expands westward, then the only counter option for the SEC for teams is the ACC. The ACC teams that want to keep the ACC together should just accept reality and go quietly into that good night.
Hope the B10 doesn't lap the SEC as far as expansion goes. Even if they do, they still have to prove themselves on the FB field. So far that hasn't happened as the B10 hasn't won a FB NC in years. Adding ND would be a huge pickup but ND hasn't won a FB NC in a long long time. It's just a romantic fantasy for the B10. ND is a usedtawas.
If they join the B10, their chances of a FB NC fade even further but interest in their pgm would skyrocket and so would their recruiting. ND comes across as a scaredy cat by remaining independent in FB.
There isn't another ND like school for the SEC to add so what to do if ND decides to no longer declare its virginity.
Well, let the play on the FB field speak for the SEC. It speaks volumes. ND shoud quit being a snob and join the SEC where they would have to prove themselves at least 4 or 5 times a season. Don't scoff. A few years ago Texas was being B10 snobbish and were of the opinion that they were too good for the SEC then $$$ signs started appearing as well as recruiting improving.
So, Clemson and FSU have left a bad taste in your mouth I see.
@@jkmarshall3553 Not really. I admire Clemson for its FB play the last few years but don't want them in the SEC because that is a recruiting advantage for USC. USC posters on our board used to claim that the reason USC couldn't win was because we are in a small state with two teams. I would point out that SC's population is larger than Bama's. Dabo has put that excuse to bed.
FSU had their chance back in the early 90s but chickened out and joined the easy road ACC. This and Miami refusing the SEC was why USC was invited.😍🤩 Luck for USC and so far except for Spurrier's years USC has for the most part been a W for a lot of opposing SEC teams but we're no Vandy.
Hope Shane can be Spurrier part two.
@@jerrylee8261 Shane seems like a solid coach!
Notre Dame will beat Ohio St
It will take more than 8 to get the dissolve Grant of Rights. There is no way Virginia Tech will vote for it, and neither is Miami either. They don't have much interests in the other two conferences.
Maybe a list of who would vote to remain would be the best. No school that isn't mentioned in expansion would vote to dissolve.
WF, BC, and Syracuse are the obvious 3 that NEED the ACC.
Louisville, NC State, and Duke are 3 more.
I think the other 8 all have delusions of bigger things, but of the remaining Pittsburgh and one of the Virginias would probably be the next 2 that would vote to stay.
Clemson, UNC, FSU, Miami, 1 of the Virginias, and GaTech all believe 100% they will land in the SEC or B1G.
That ACC tv deal is awful.
how does ND get an vote in ACC
It probably doesn't... GBD said his source for this intel was Twitter. 😵💫
No bro
And why would ND help break the GOR? They're an independant school in football, the ACC is good for their basketball program, and they don't want to go to the Big 10.....
What makes you think the acc wouldn't take big 12 teams, do you really think the big 12 is in better shape than acc. Jesus you need some help
Notre Dame will finish 10-2 this year. Virginia Tech will finish 5-7. North Carolina State will finish 11-1. Pitt will finish 10-2 this year. Pitt will lose to Tennessee and Miami.
What are you smoking?Pitt goes 8-4. They lose to WVU and UNC.
I second that Brother.
Virginia and Virginia tech have nowhere to go
Huh? UVA is most likely packaged with UNC, and the SEC reportedly prefers VATECH for its Virginia footprint.
@@tarheel7406 they aren't additive
@@larrypilgrim12 For the ~100th time, additive changes in a closed P2 world. Why is this so hard to understand? Just because no new BIG12 teams are additive doesn't mean that the un-depleted ACC doesn't have a number of additive schools. The ACC schools also have more synergies in blocs than the PAC12 does.
@@tarheel7406 for the 100th time, there are not 8 teams benefitting from the nuking of the acc. The acc isn't worth sec or b10 money. You saying synergy 100 times doesn't mean crap.
@@larrypilgrim12 Yeah, you just don't get it. Just because UTAH has little value in a closed P2 world, though I think it has a better chance than (e.g) WVU, doesn't mean a number of ACC teams don't. For some context, if UTAH were in the ACC, it would be among the bottom 3 in all sports and academics per the Altimore chart and assuming FSU has continued to improve academically since his data.
Utah is a small but growing state, but UTAH as a school only has synergies with BYU, which isn't a school in the discussion. UTAH is not a necessary school for a deep and wide enough consolidation, while the Mid-Atlantic, Southeast & Florida are fast growing regions with already large populations. The need for 8 ACC votes to both free ND from all entanglements and to free high value, absolutely required schools for a separation, provides a tiebreaker advantage to the ACC bubble teams.
I also suspect that your understandable UTAH point of view hinders your being able to see things from the B1G and SEC perspective.