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No.. that would be a Human! were the only creatures on this planet with deception.. or that's deceptive. Aliens oppose this! though it states in the ET message. I agree.. I do too.
Why? Life evolved the way it did here under extremely specific situations and conditions. Why would life elsewhere, if it does exist, resemble us? Two legs are not the ideal for speed, for example. How fast is a cheetah compared to a human?@@lisakaye3919
It is rather unsettling that I am now imagining humans finally reaching the stars only to find a literal civilization graveyard. (Random plot twist in my mind, they're all human civilizations and we really are the only ones... and the only ones left)
What's nsettling is that we aren't looking for intelligent life anymore. Now, we are looking for ANY life. Bacterial. Viral. I see many ways this could go sideways.
@@JohnMichaelGodier Always such a pleasure to view your videos John! You know there are two other reasons we may never encounter advanced alien life. 1. They could have existed a long time ago or well into the future. 2. As some astute person pointed out. It is very likely a civilization so advanced at some point would “turn inward.” What purpose would they have to expand? They could manufacture anything they need and why explore the 100,000th planet? One thing is for certain i can guarantee you it will not be like in the sci fi movies where the aliens travel across the galaxy with technology that we could not even conceive of then arrive here and have an IQ of two so they can eat people.
My ADHD made me read that as 'pornographic' so the conclusion made no sense😆(until I re-read it) It made me think though, I wonder if all their spaceships will look like phalluses too?😄
“Come one, come all and stare in amazement if you will as you witness the ever-expanding Universe… smelling itself! Ladies and gentlemen look away if you must but if you dare gaze upon its seemingly bemused expression somewhere between disgust and satisfaction! Truly awe-inspiring to know stardust after eons has evolved to harness such abilities! 10 cents at the door, two youngin’s for a nickel if accompanied by a suitable guardian. Please no pushing!”
"The nearest Miracle we have before us is that within a few billion years the Universe, Through The Marvelous laws of chemistry and physics, has converted part of itself into Consciousness and that Consciousness can now contemplate the very universe that begat it." ---Dr. John Oliver at SETI.
@THETABUBBLE how is it fictional? The universe exists and we are made up of part of the universe and we have consciousness to contemplate the universe?
@@weregoat529 For real, he does it with increased enjoyment since I commented recently how _oooooold_ it had gotten. Guess I ruffled his feathers, bless his heart. 😏 Anyways I hit mute now the second he goes into the goodbye song and dance... I know when I'm beat. 😆
If number 10 is true, and we’re all there is, then I think we have an obligation to survive - both as a species, and as a biosphere. Otherwise, we end up proving the Absurdist playwrights were right. I don’t want to be in a play by Ionesco!
I got news for you: The Absurdists were right! You are just bits of star stuff doomed to return to the stuff from which you were made and perhaps worse as an expanding heat death of the universe seems inevitable until all change ceases and time itself may be deemed to have stopped!
😒 soo we’ve got to keep existing JUST to prove angsty dorks wrong…. if that’s all there is to live life for we don’t deserve to exist I really had to pull my punches to write only write that
Fun and excellent video, though I was surprised not to see the Dark Forest hypothesis not in the list ... I find it considerably more unsettling than any of these ten possibilities. Ever since reading that book it's kind of freaked me out and I can't convince myself that it's wrong. For those not familiar with The Dark Forest Hypothesis, the short version is this: 1) Communication is slow due to light speed. Many years to get one round trip message. 2) Technological progress is fast. Humanity went from steam engines to nuclear weapons in ~ 100 years. 3) It doesn't take much technology to destroy a planet. Rocket engine + small asteroid + a few decades acceleration = dead planet. 4) Therefore you can't possibly communicate enough with to confidently establish friendly intent, even with a young species, before they have the technology to destroy you. 5) If we can figure that out, so can they. And they know that we know. 6) At least *some* civilizations will figure this out and decide that the best chance to survive is just to destroy every other civilization they become aware of. Better safe than sorry, right? 7) So most other civilizations realized very quickly and decided to just stay as quiet as possible. 8) The reason for the Fermi Paradox is that the smart civilizations are hiding/quiet, and the dumb ones (i.e. the ones that broadcasted) are already destroyed. 9) If anyone was close by enough to hear our late 20th century broadcasts, the planet killer asteroids are probably already on the way through interstellar space. Because how could they ever prove to themselves that we will never be hostile? Sleep tight.
I love this hypothesis too, really interesting to think about, but there's a lot of holes in it. The worst one is that the absolute radio silence is impossible, because you can't stop past transmissions. By the time your entire civilization decides to keep silent because they figured out the hypothesis, a whole lot of transmissions will have leaked into space. So the silence directive is dead from the start.
@@eac-ox2ly This isn't entirely true. There is some validity but only if the species is significantly close enough. By the time radio signals reach a certain point in space from their emission point, they get distorted and drowned out to the point where it becomes indistinguishable from background stellar noise. On top of that, you have to be looking at the exact pinpointed location in space at the exact time that signal passes by you. Otherwise you miss it. On top of THAT, stellar objects are not stationary. They move. So the recipient would have to be intelligent enough to backtrack the location relative to the time it's traveled and the position in space that it originated and link that to the current position of the emission point, i.e. earth.
kaodite, you are looking at it from a human point of view. this is wrong. a civilisation that is advanced will not have a problem detecting signals. humans have trouble because we are not advanced. we think we are but we aren't.
It is so terribly unfortunate our first tv broadcasts into space were of Hitler war mongering before hordes of belligerent people goosestepping in unison. Try and convince anyone we're friendly, and actually the Germans have been reliable allies and good world citizens for decades, once they've seen WWII.
This video reminds me of a funny story. I went to a Star Trek convention once. There were lots of people dressed as aliens, of course. One of them was quite incredible. He (it?) was about four feet tall, and the costume appeared totally seamless. It seemed to be naked, but there was no genitalia or openings on the body. It had this big head, but the incredible part to me was how it seemed to be all of one piece. A guy in that costume would have been sweating bullets. There was zero ventilation, nor was the skin breathable, like fabric. It looked closer to real skin. I only saw this person for a few minutes, so maybe he dashed off somewhere and got out of that costume. At the time I remember thinking - what an ideal place for a real ET to study humans! At a Star Trek convention!
Would a real alien be noticed at such a place? Maybe real aliens would laugh at our ideas of aliens, like people in the future can have a laugh at today's futuristic films of what we think the future will be like, or we can be amused of what sci-fi authors 70+ years ago thought it would be like by the year 2000 and beyond. Some things they got right and others are way too optimistic (or pessimistic!). I once met a rather strange man who saw me and said "the aliens have landed!" I wondered if he thought I was an alien. Then he sounded mysterious and said, "I know how flying saucers work". So I assumed he was just a UFO enthusiast, sci-fi fan or conspiracy theorist. Unless he really had met aliens and seen their technology(!) I wonder where you can get alien costumes... maybe I'd find one that suits me, then I might feel more myself(!) (I'd rather be a Vulcan I think, but I'm too reactive and sensitive!)
The large native tribes of North America and Australia were crippled or assimilated by Europeans, but there are still numerous tiny Amazon tribes and island-dwelling natives in the tropical region that were registered, studied, but weren't forced to accept global culture, technology, etc. Maybe Earth is one such tiny tribe that was discovered, but instead of being forced to actively engage in contact, we are being studied by mostly pure observation method with a rare probing here and there.
Regarding the simulation idea, I've always thought the ancestor simulation concept to be too narrow, assuming the outer reality is similar to ours but just advanced. Of course since we have no way to know what's "out there", it's hard to even speculate, but as an avid reader of science fiction and fantasy, I feel there's a far more interesting scenario. Our universe lacks FTL, magic, visible alien civilizations, extraterrestrial demigods, etc. because scientists in the outer reality are trying to calculate gravity while dealing with wizards, techno-star-dragons, reality bending nanotechnology, and impossibly powerful beings, like an MCU/Star Wars/anime/D&D mashup. (Anyone remember *Dragonstar*?) So they made a Matrioshka Brain to stimulate our universe cutting out all those variables. Anyways, sometimes it helps to get through the day.
Does our reality really lack extraterrestrial demigods? One can even argue we have 5,000 years of written history talking about them. Mythology and almost every religion. While there is no physical evidence I find it hard to believe that humans across the globe who evolved and developed isolated from one another all decided to start talking about beings coming from the skies and even worshipping them. It makes no sense, the entire premise of the heavens and gods has to come from somewhere.
The most likely reason to create such an extremely elaborate simulation, such as ours would appear to be, is to try to solve an existential crisis facing the creators. This is what we do already, for example with climate models. We need to prepare ourselves for the future by approximating it as best we can. In that case, the simulation needs to be as identical to the 'real' world as possible. If humans of the future found themselves with a looming extinction event, and had the capability to simulate civilization, they could run many simulations like ours to see how we solve the event when it happens to us, and before it actually happens to them. Of course, whether we succeed in finding the solution or not won't matter for our actual survival, if we're not 'actual' to begin with, as we probably get turned off either way.
@OP Excellent analysis that we have no way of knowing what's out there, nor their motivation for simulating us -- or if they are even aware that they are simulating us... ... or if "they" is an "it".. an AI.
The necrosignature is by far the most unsettling for me. It answers(sorta) an age old question yet raises so many more. Who or what killed the ones that sent the signal? Have other aliens risen up, received those same signals and chosen to remain quiet or pledge to destroy any life they find in order to ensure their survival?
@@neutrin0329 we haven't destroyed ourselves despite having the ability to do so in an afternoon for nearly 80 years. That to me is evidence against it's likelihood.
@@imjustsam1745we keep pushing these neo-liberals views and expecting the world to get with the time will absolutely lead to our destruction. America is a country of degenerates leading the way to degenerative behavior which is wrecking the economy, wrecking American values, pushing huge companies out of specific states or even worse pushing all those jobs into different countries, it's wrecking family values, suicides are through the roof and to top it all of half the world already knows all of the above from neo liberal views and want thing to do with it and will absolutely go to war to defend its way of living. This all started from gay men wanting equal marriage rights 😂 now look at this country, were pathetic.
john, consider the possibility that the pre-conditions for life to begin ( since no one has the slightest idea exactly how and why it started ) are entirely specific to this planet...the exact composition of the earth, the strange and probably unique genesis of the moon, etc. you are exactly right. this would make our existence monumentally significant and beyond comprehension. the earth would then again be 'the center of the universe'...
I'm with you. People talk about the unimaginably massive size of the universe as though it automatically precludes life on earth being unique. They argue if it's just a matter of numbers, there are so many solar systems, it must have happened elsewhere. But the one number we do not have is the rate of abiogenesis. If there are a trillion habitable planets but the rate of abiogenesis is one in a trillion, then that would leave only one planet with life, the Earth. Until we find another planet with life, we only have the one data point, and we cannot extrapolate from one data point alone how common or rare it is. It could be so rare we are the only abiogenesis, the greatest fluke in the history of Life, the Universe and Everything. Alternately, it's argued the existence of life on Earth cannot be deliberate because creating such a mindboggling massive universe just for us would be wasteful. But if you have the kind of power where you can create Life, the Universe and Everything, why would you create a tiny universe knowing the intelligent species would be looking at stars, studying astronomy, inventing telescopes and space probes, etc. We would quickly butt up against the walls of our cage. We'd be like Truman in The Truman Show, who finds out a star is just a projector lamp hanging from a fake sky. We would be a fish that realizes he's in a fishbowl. Nowhere to go. But with such a massive universe to play in, there is always more to discover, and with the horizon that prevents us from seeing beyond the observable universe, we never run into any walls. If I was an omnipotent being, and I wanted to give an intelligent species free will, freedom in all respects, this is how I would do it. After all, I'm omnipotent, making a massive fascinating infinity-edge universe is no harder than making a small boring closed-off one. I of course have no more answers than anyone else, but I like to be open to all the possibilities. And to me the size of the universe precludes none of them.
I've thought this for a while, what if the solution to the Fermi paradox is that life is simply so extraordinarily unlikely that we are the only instance of it in millions of potential universes before and after this one.
we are von nuemann probes, literally a cloning machine trying to live forever, sometimes i think we are the growing pains of a god, just like our billions of cells made us, we are making a higher form of life, or evolving into one, or being cog in a machine of one, or just a video game for higher life forms, i dont really know
14:08 I'd put my money on this, and by extension, the rare technology hypothesis. If you really think about it, there's a nearly unfathomable amount of conditions that need to go right for technologically advanced civilization to even have a chance of starting, much less become detectable at interstellar distances. It's far more than just intelligence, you also need the right kind of environment, physiology, and dumb luck for someone to figure out the possibility exists. Even on Earth, with humans and our near ancestor species, it took literally hundreds of thousands of years to get past stone age hunter gatherer levels of sophistication, despite us knowing from modern tinkering that it's technically possible to go from sticks and mud to early iron age tech in a generation or two.
This has always been my first thought as well. I don't see why 'civilizations' seem inevitable when we're the only one we know of out of all the life that's ever been here.
Alien Ambassador addressing Earth for the first time: "People of Earth. At the dawn of the universe my kind engaged in a long mission to explore far off stars and worlds. Long ago one of our research ships arrived at a newly formed solar system around a young yellow star. During this survey a low level research associate mistakenly vented an unsterilized toilet tank onto one of the budding young worlds below, and, heh heh, well, egg on our face but four billion years later here I am talking to all of you. . ."
Your videos always make my day. I find myself looking up in the night sky as much as I can. To catch a glimpse of a passing satellite. To marveling at Jupiter and Saturn’s amazing march across the sky together. Always hoping to see something more.
its terrifying but also kinda empowering, becausr that means that we humans are the most important beings in the universe. that gives life a lot more meaning and value than if we were one of billions of different civilizations.
@@cboisandlin9601it also makes our existence that much more tragic, as when the story of our earth comes to an end so does the ability of our universe to perceive & appreciate itself. It’s as the saying goes, if no one is around to witness our reality, did it ever even exist in the first place?
Given human history, which I understand you can’t necessarily compare to a possible alien civilisation, I hope we’re alone. If we’re superior, we’d wipe them out. If they’re superior, they’d wipe us out.
I've literally been so tuned in listening to these videos that I will have the video finish and will just about break free from a trance state. Usually I immediately realize that I never actually fell asleep and that the video was only 15 mins, even though I feel as though I fell asleep and have been listening for hours. Its interesting as a point of reference when most of the ways I percieve time, it doesnt tend to be so incoherent, but when I try focusing on someones words and fight sleep, I actually go into a trance like state that I can slip in and out of and will lose my sense of time. Meditation is hard for me so having a calm voice talk about a subject I love is what I guess is my way of entering that state unconsciously but in a consenting way.
I have never heard anything more beautiful than what it would mean if we were the only planet with life. The idea of a lonely, gargantuan force like the universe doing everything in its power to try to understand what it is, is absolutely mind bending. You have a phenomenal way with words John.
Good stuff JMG! Ok, free sci fi space drive idea! The Higgs field suppression drive! All Fermions become massless in the fields influence. Hence they must move at light speed. Instant Starship.
So the people on the ship are frozen in time by the relativistic effect. When the drive finally cuts out, hundreds of universes have come and gone around them.
The idea that a message might be encoded in our DNA is a fascinating one and could be an epic sci fi story! I could imagine it saying "Congratulations, if you are reading this now , it is only because you have reached this level of understanding." Etc. Amazing possibilities.
I watch John’s videos mostly at night before going to bed. Sometimes I doze off but I am always awaken by the ghostly “liiiiive” at the end of every video.
Looking forward to what you come up with for Halloween! Hopefully, it'll be extra spooky content! Without going into anything supernatural or any pseudoscience of course! I always appreciate how you like to stick to the hard facts and science (with some healthy speculation of course) yet still keep content enjoyable. As always, keep up the good work JMG!
Long time viewer John, love your videos. As for Panspermia, you asked how the elements could form into life then went into explaining Panspermia. I kept telling myself, "When is he gonna ask where THAT life originated?" Thanks and keep up the excellent vids.
"That vast majority of [stars] are, in principal, habitable.. Sun-like stars are among the most common." No. I would pretty much say this is just incorrect. G and K stars (similar to the sun) make up less than 20% of main sequence stars. That's not a majority or common, in my eyes. People like to claim M-Stars are habitable for some reason, even though that means the planet would be tidally locked and not spinning, and likely not have a magnetosphere since M-Stars are way too violent.
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My favorite thought is that life we may encounter has learned to enter dormancy and wait out mistakes or dangerous cycles on their planet beneath the surface or in an orbiting asteroid or ring field. The idea being that actually becoming a type 1 civilization which has mastered control of their planet may not necessarily mean controlling every aspect of it so much as learning when to live on the surface and when to wait for the planet to settle and continue where you left off. Whether the aliens themselves are locust-like in a voracious devouring of resources that creates the inhospitality or the planet itself is simply subjected to inhospitable conditions on a cyclical nature which they can predict is up for grabs.
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Absolutely agree with your beginning point. I believe we are one way the universe can know itself. Each and every living thing is the universe's expression of sensing itself. And if there is no life on Titan or Mars, then all bets are off. I say we introduce it. We owe it to every living thing on this planet, every ancestor we have, to spread beyond this world. If survival is the one thing we have learned, so be it. Survive we must.
I would state this somewhat differently: We tend to assume that aliens share similar values -- and there is no rational means to make such an assumption. In fact it is highly unlikely that aliens would share any values with us at all.
I feel like the scariest thought is if the universe is indeed infinite (which it is looking like it is). The possibilities and certainties that come with this are mind numbing.
I believe the chances of life out in the universe are very high, I don’t even question it. What I do question is whether there is another animal/species out there somewhere in the universe that also uses and creates technology. Earth has spawn millions of all kinds of animal life, and yet only one even attempts technology. But I do believe in the incredibly lucky theory when it come to our planet. It’s absolutely amazing how much earth supplies, from snow cap mountains to desserts to vast oceans and so on. From arctic to tropical and everything in between. Not only is our planet habitable but it’s designed like an artistic masterpiece 🌍
I like the "extras" simulation hypothesis: Where we're the extras in someone else's simulation. It seems to wrinkle the tendency for human egocentrism.
Years ago I read a sf book about earth being a simulation, in a game played by kids. They wanted tot see what would happen. In the end they got bored and wiped the game.
There is absolutely no way we are alone in the universe. Our existence is an extremely lucky, unlikely, and unique thing, but in no way is it that unlikely. But we just might be one of the first ones to evolve to this level. What might be the actually rare thing is curious and self-aware intelligent life.
My studies in molecular biology left me with the sense that - assuming natural causes - the visible universe is neither old enough nor large enough to justify our existence. Since we exist, this causes me to suspect we are completely alone.
My gut says that we're early to the game. Maybe even the first. It gives a overwhelmingly feeling of loniness :/ and makes me appreciate my direct and indirect family (all life) even more.
There is, but we make up less than a whopping 5% ish, total population. IQ range from 120-160 Only 2% are 130+ A vastly majority of the population fall between 90-110. Trending towards the lower end.
IQ is bullshit, bud. Incredible you’re talking about there not being many “intelligent” people and yet you’re quoting IQ stats. You should do some research on IQ and it’s history.
For your consideration; there may be several reasons that fall weather is, as you say, spooky. Plants that are regulated by the cycle of the seasons emit chemical transmitters in order to cull their leaves. It is also used to ripen fruits. Oddly it's one of those gases once investigated as a potential anesthetic agent for use on humans during surgery. Bacteria and molds start the process of breaking down those dead leaves and emit Carbon Dioxide in the process. Higher levels are detectable by humans leading to that anxiety feeling. The daily amount of light begins to diminish helping to ramp up those anxiety levels as well.
An interesting way of thinking about it is; What in the observable universe is a unique stand alone, one off occurrence with no contemporaries? Why would we believe technological civilizations are the exception? Intelligent life, albeit rare in comparison to most of the rest of the animal kingdom, does exist in nature, octopus, elephants, other great apes, dolphins, felines, several species of birds. We tend to equate intelligence with technology, when the fact is, until 12,000 years ago, our level of technology wasn't much more sophisticated then hides, stones, bone, and other simple natural materials.
I’m loving this channel, and get a kick out of that last line,” this amazing universe in which we liiiivvvveee”…. So perfect thank you for this. It’s exactly what I need!
I just recently came across your channel. I have sub to a lot of science/universe related channels, and this channel is definitely my top 3 in this genre. You do not “recycle” the same content over and over AND OVER again… for example, a channel called “Simply Space” do that WAY TOO OFTEN. They basically would used a click bait title, but when you start watching the video, you noticed that they basically are talking about the same thing that they have talked about literally couple days ago, then they would have the “balls” to use the same content again, basically just switch some words around 🙄. Anyways, I really enjoy your content and please keep up the excellent work!! 💪💪💪👍👍👍👍💯💯💯🥰🥰
"powerless to help", as they died millions of years ago as radio waves take FOREVER to travel in space the necro transmissions is sort of moot due to this if some one says HI they are long dead and dust by the time the single gets to us
We'd be a whole lot better off in the long run if we are "alone". *_Any_* real evidence of other life forms in the universe, especially "intelligent" ones would be very bad news for us... even if they exist on the other side of the galaxy, or another galaxy. It would mean "the great filter" is still ahead of us.
I find it highly relaxing and cool. To think we are the most unique and rare thing in the universe is a blessing. To think we are one of millions of like civilizations so far ahead of us is depressing and sad.
I think I agree mostly with the school of thought that says intelligent civilizations cannot advance to the point of interstellar expansion, thus we cannot identify the other planets with intelligent life and they cannot identify us.
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I find the most scary theory, is Aliens already did Exist, and they build capsules and things so people remember them. But it’s all destroyed. And we truly are Alone.
I will admit I was familiar with these with one exception being the "Locked In" theory, it's so simple and yet I never thought about it. But then again if a water world species became intelligent enough and had the means to manipulate seafloor objects with a reasonable amount of dexterity could they not start harnessing energy like that of hydrothermal vents on the sea floor or build rafts that hold massive arrays of solar panels? I mean in such a situation it would likely take longer than a ground based species but as long as they have the intelligence, the ability to communicate and the resources locked within the planets rocky core isn't it fairly likely they could build technology? I mean hell, what's stopping them from eventually filling a ship with water, making sure the pressure can be controlled and then blasting off? I understand what I said above is a situation we can't really confirm or deny without finding such a planet but John makes it sound like fire is the only source of energy that could provide an intelligent species with what it needs to progress.
You myst not realize just how important fire was to both our development and our tech advances frim the very beginning which means they would have a much longer and very differnt road to go down
Ive been telling people for years, the universe is expanding because its alive and growing...we are a tiny tiny tiny part in a vast and complex system.
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John, this is, imho, the best way to start off October. Good stuff, man! And for the record, I don't even want to hazard a guess as to what the right answer is, but I think the fact that we're still, relatively speaking, the new kids with telescopes, combined with the fact that (for now, anyway) we only have one biological model to work from (ourselves), we don't know nearly enough about the Universe in which we liiiiiiive to really start forming solid theories. I say any and every possibility should be on the table at this point, and even if what we know today says "Well, that one's just wrong," who knows what we'll learn in the next ten years that makes us say, "Well, there might be something to this after all." It's still way early in the game for us! Keep 'em coming!
John's fixation and fear of machines always amuses me. Admittedly, I still think that our idea of "machine civilizations" is ludicrously primitive. I seriously doubt that, if we met one, we'd recognize these machine civilizations as machines. There's a point, I think, where the miniaturization of tech will make it indistinguishable from biology. At the same time, I doubt it'll look biological, either.
Wait, you doubt it _would_ look biological if we met a machine civilization face to face? Or did you just mean you'd doubt that such a civilization would look _technological? Thanks, in advance, my friend.
@@realzachfluke1 I'm saying that, should we encounter "machines" out there, they're definitely not gonna look like our modern image of machines. I also acknowledge that, being designed to operate in space, they won't look biological, either. I like to refer to the first aliens we meet as "bone slimes" because it'll probably be completely different from anything we could conceive.
"Life that doesn't look obviously technological or artificial (on the macroscopic level), but doesn't look biological either"--so _Steven Universe_ caliber technology, albeit less relatable and Children's Cartoon, clearly. The problem with this is indeed the blurring of lines: once you go Diamond Age (nanoscale to picoscale) with 3-D or n-D printing technology (printing out life that changes either as time or as a fourth, fifth dimension of space does), biological senses aren't really going to pick up what's "artificial" and what's "natural". That's enough to make anybody touchy or paranoid--for all we know a Von Neumann "bioprinter" of some sort could just be hanging out cranking out fascimiles of humans that are instructed at the sub-atomic level to "pass for Baryonic, mainstream pair-protonized Oxygen/Carbon-chain life until the locals assume star system HD Xxx-Yyyy is inhabited, then activate full abilities." Meaning we get enough proof and then we're in a "They Live" scenario against nominal super-humans (relative to us by way of Tom Scott) who are already occupying Earth at zero risk to their lives, society, consciousness, anything.
@@bradleypoe6846 For me it's the raw flexibility that interests me. Advanced "machines" that have countless redundant systems for sustaining "life" ranging from chemosynthesis just from interacting with soil to highly-efficient photosynthesis-while retaining the possibility for less efficient, but high-energy options. Oh, but with incredible heat management abilities the likes of which would make the cooling mechanisms on modern technology look cute.
Actually, aliens were in preparation to extend a greeting to the people of Earth after having received our first broadcasts. They dispatched a camouflaged probe (Oumuamua) to catch up on the latest goings on with Earth. They decided it would be best to cancel those plans and recalled their probe.
Some one has to be the first civilisation, what if we are the first? I know the odds are low that we are the first but any first civilisation would ask the same question "where is all the life"
It certainly is possible. I like to believe that the older the Universe is, the more likely it becomes for life (as we know it) to show up, because we rely on elements which require a long time to form in significant amounts in any given region in space (or perhaps not). Either way, the Universe is so inconceivably big that it's difficult to meet life outside our Solar System. And we're not only far apart in space, but in time too.
Alternatively, the first civilization would naturally become the *only* civilization, spreading throughout its galactic supercluster faster than life could evolve into another civilization somewhere unexplored.
We may "alone" in the sense of no other "human-like" intelligences willing to hang-out for a serious discussion on politics, sex, race, or women's rights. But we are definitely NOT alone in the sense of weird-looking, fire-balls, glowing orbs, silver discs, and shape-shifting critters invading our airspace, hovering over houses at 3 am, or flying rings around our fastest fighter jets. Massive, extremely elaborate crop circles where individual stalks of grain are intricately woven like a basket are also a clear sign that many of these indicators of intelligence were not made in the middle of the night by some art students, trying to put on a hoax or get attention.
I almost believe we’re life seeded by an alien civilization. There is just too many references to gods bringing life to earth in ancient cultures I.e. Egyptian, Norse, Central American, literally all religious origin stories. There’s something that we have forgotten as a species and I’m eager to find the answer.
I generally look at religions as an attempt to understand the unknown, or ambiguous. Religions have been popping up over and over along the way, in a huge variety, so it seems hard to believe that they all would originate from one past memory, but rather a continuous questioning.
Human imagination tends to create the same narratives under simular circumstances. It seems that simularities in mythology or symbolism points to a common origin in time and location. This is not necesarily true. It is just that the human mind and culture tends to develop the same way. Comparable to convergent evolution.
Your idea that life was seeded here from somewhere else is reasonable, but the idea that ancient civilizations had a memory of it isn't. Life existed on this planet for over three billion years before there were any civilizations or even humans or any other mammals or other vertebrate life forms to know about it.
@ Long Johnson: Sounds like ancestor-worship: the deeply flawed notion that the non-scientific primitive culture of our forebears was magically gifted with superior knowledge.
What's more frightening knowing your alone or knowing your not alone but are so far away from each other the time scale would be impossible to reach each other.
The Godier paradox: you want to sleep listening to his soothing voice but you also want to hear what he says.
I get the same with Isaac Arthur.
Can you imagine him and Morgan Freeman having a conversation??? 😆😆😆
@@jackgibsxxx0750: Bro. . . Bro. . . Bro. . . "People" We Gotta Make Diss Happen Like Bro. . . Don't Kno How But "People" Let's Do This. . . ClubmIn Out
Take my like for this most eloquent explanation of my existential dilemma here
So true. I've tried to listen through this video 4 times already, but every time I have fallen asleep before the 10 minute mark.
"I am not an alien."
Sounds like something an alien would say.
I am not an alien. Now bend over.
No.. that would be a Human! were the only creatures on this planet with deception.. or that's deceptive. Aliens oppose this! though it states in the ET message. I agree.. I do too.
Reminds me of that spongebob episode where they thought mr krabs was a robot.
@@adamt2564 when SpongeBob said: what color is my underwear (then immediately slaps Mr Krabs).
I died laughing.
I am an alien.
Does that now sound like that I am a human?😮
John always scares the crap out of me with some of these alien theories. Love it.
If there is any other life they most likely look like us. I doubt if they’re some weird looking creatures
Why? Life evolved the way it did here under extremely specific situations and conditions. Why would life elsewhere, if it does exist, resemble us? Two legs are not the ideal for speed, for example. How fast is a cheetah compared to a human?@@lisakaye3919
If they do 'walk among us', then statistically a few of them are likely subscribed to this channel.
What if John is an alien himself??
Heheheh amogus
Then they must be amused by the commentators here! :-)
It could be any one of us, it could be you, it could be me, it could even be
Reptilians are real !
Alien Ambassador addressing Earth for the first time: "People of Earth, you are spelling opossum wrong"
Not like Whales would know how to spell anything, really.
It is rather unsettling that I am now imagining humans finally reaching the stars only to find a literal civilization graveyard.
(Random plot twist in my mind, they're all human civilizations and we really are the only ones... and the only ones left)
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far as I'm concerned that's a universe of free shit
@@kingmasterlord The whole universe is ours for the taking with only ourselves for competition.
What's nsettling is that we aren't looking for intelligent life anymore. Now, we are looking for ANY life. Bacterial. Viral. I see many ways this could go sideways.
I think we humans ARE the infection on planet Earth. Things like Covid-19 are the planets immune response
This is the kind of stuff I think about when I'm high, but more eloquently put
i feel like ive seen this video and this comment like... 12 times already
@@Hongobogologomo so how high are you?
JMG is off his tits :)
@@jr2904 I can't answer for the first responder but I am three bongs high.
(where 'bong' is the accepted intergalactic unit measure of stonedness)😶
My boy JMG is certainly no stranger to the ganja!
I do hope the first alien message is pragmatic. Such as: “send lawyers, guns & money!”
A reference to the late great Warren Zevon. I tip my hat to you.
@@JohnMichaelGodier Always such a pleasure to view your videos John! You know there are two other reasons we may never encounter advanced alien life.
1. They could have existed a long time ago or well into the future.
2. As some astute person pointed out. It is very likely a civilization so advanced at some point would “turn inward.” What purpose would they have to expand? They could manufacture anything they need and why explore the 100,000th planet? One thing is for certain i can guarantee you it will not be like in the sci fi movies where the aliens travel across the galaxy with technology that we could not even conceive of then arrive here and have an IQ of two so they can eat people.
👍Or more likely, 'send guns and money so we can exterminate our lawyers'.
Send Bird Quaaludes!
My ADHD made me read that as 'pornographic' so the conclusion made no sense😆(until I re-read it)
It made me think though, I wonder if all their spaceships will look like phalluses too?😄
"Life is a way for the universe to know itself." _~ Carl Sagan, from "Cosmos"_
Cosmos* ;)
“Come one, come all and stare in amazement if you will as you witness the ever-expanding Universe… smelling itself! Ladies and gentlemen look away if you must but if you dare gaze upon its seemingly bemused expression somewhere between disgust and satisfaction! Truly awe-inspiring to know stardust after eons has evolved to harness such abilities! 10 cents at the door, two youngin’s for a nickel if accompanied by a suitable guardian. Please no pushing!”
Pretty sure that was Ambassador Delenn
ok
My aunt worked with Carl Sagan personally for years...
"The nearest Miracle we have before us is that within a few billion years the Universe, Through The Marvelous laws of chemistry and physics, has converted part of itself into Consciousness and that Consciousness can now contemplate the very universe that begat it." ---Dr. John Oliver at SETI.
just - What a load of crap ----Me - at home, two seconds ago!
@THETABUBBLE Naive child of the universe.
@THETABUBBLE how is it fictional? The universe exists and we are made up of part of the universe and we have consciousness to contemplate the universe?
@@topcat1358 Dunning Kruger effect in full swing, I see! Nice example for sociologists, however.
I always love the extended "Liiiiiiiiiiiiive" at the end haha
🥱😴😴
He clearly gets a kick out of it as well. He takes that breath and you know it’s coming.
Me too, I love how he leans into it :)
@@weregoat529 For real, he does it with increased enjoyment since I commented recently how _oooooold_ it had gotten. Guess I ruffled his feathers, bless his heart. 😏 Anyways I hit mute now the second he goes into the goodbye song and dance... I know when I'm beat. 😆
And if JMG ever does a live stream? "Today we're going to go liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!"
If number 10 is true, and we’re all there is, then I think we have an obligation to survive - both as a species, and as a biosphere. Otherwise, we end up proving the Absurdist playwrights were right. I don’t want to be in a play by Ionesco!
And no one wants to be bored to death watching said play
Right about what? What claims did the Absurdists make?
@@Edude117 that existence is meaningless because death and obsolescence are inevitable, even on a racial scale
I got news for you: The Absurdists were right! You are just bits of star stuff doomed to return to the stuff from which you were made and perhaps worse as an expanding heat death of the universe seems inevitable until all change ceases and time itself may be deemed to have stopped!
😒 soo we’ve got to keep existing JUST to prove angsty dorks wrong…. if that’s all there is to live life for we don’t deserve to exist
I really had to pull my punches to write only write that
JMG's Spooky October, the most magical time of the year (on UA-cam).
Hohoho
@@mikebar42 Happy Kwanzaa!!!
{singing} 🎶 It's the most wonderful time of the year! There'll be 👻 ghosties, 👾 space ghoulies, and 👽 alien beasties to scare us galore! 🛸
It's funny how we have a season dedicated to making us traumatized
My version of trick or treating
Fun and excellent video, though I was surprised not to see the Dark Forest hypothesis not in the list ... I find it considerably more unsettling than any of these ten possibilities. Ever since reading that book it's kind of freaked me out and I can't convince myself that it's wrong.
For those not familiar with The Dark Forest Hypothesis, the short version is this:
1) Communication is slow due to light speed. Many years to get one round trip message.
2) Technological progress is fast. Humanity went from steam engines to nuclear weapons in ~ 100 years.
3) It doesn't take much technology to destroy a planet. Rocket engine + small asteroid + a few decades acceleration = dead planet.
4) Therefore you can't possibly communicate enough with to confidently establish friendly intent, even with a young species, before they have the technology to destroy you.
5) If we can figure that out, so can they. And they know that we know.
6) At least *some* civilizations will figure this out and decide that the best chance to survive is just to destroy every other civilization they become aware of. Better safe than sorry, right?
7) So most other civilizations realized very quickly and decided to just stay as quiet as possible.
8) The reason for the Fermi Paradox is that the smart civilizations are hiding/quiet, and the dumb ones (i.e. the ones that broadcasted) are already destroyed.
9) If anyone was close by enough to hear our late 20th century broadcasts, the planet killer asteroids are probably already on the way through interstellar space. Because how could they ever prove to themselves that we will never be hostile?
Sleep tight.
I love this hypothesis too, really interesting to think about, but there's a lot of holes in it. The worst one is that the absolute radio silence is impossible, because you can't stop past transmissions. By the time your entire civilization decides to keep silent because they figured out the hypothesis, a whole lot of transmissions will have leaked into space. So the silence directive is dead from the start.
@@eac-ox2ly This isn't entirely true. There is some validity but only if the species is significantly close enough. By the time radio signals reach a certain point in space from their emission point, they get distorted and drowned out to the point where it becomes indistinguishable from background stellar noise. On top of that, you have to be looking at the exact pinpointed location in space at the exact time that signal passes by you. Otherwise you miss it. On top of THAT, stellar objects are not stationary. They move. So the recipient would have to be intelligent enough to backtrack the location relative to the time it's traveled and the position in space that it originated and link that to the current position of the emission point, i.e. earth.
kaodite, you are looking at it from a human point of view. this is wrong. a civilisation that is advanced will not have a problem detecting signals. humans have trouble because we are not advanced. we think we are but we aren't.
Yikes
It is so terribly unfortunate our first tv broadcasts into space were of Hitler war mongering before hordes of belligerent people goosestepping in unison. Try and convince anyone we're friendly, and actually the Germans have been reliable allies and good world citizens for decades, once they've seen WWII.
This video reminds me of a funny story. I went to a Star Trek convention once. There were lots of people dressed as aliens, of course. One of them was quite incredible. He (it?) was about four feet tall, and the costume appeared totally seamless. It seemed to be naked, but there was no genitalia or openings on the body. It had this big head, but the incredible part to me was how it seemed to be all of one piece. A guy in that costume would have been sweating bullets. There was zero ventilation, nor was the skin breathable, like fabric. It looked closer to real skin. I only saw this person for a few minutes, so maybe he dashed off somewhere and got out of that costume. At the time I remember thinking - what an ideal place for a real ET to study humans! At a Star Trek convention!
Would a real alien be noticed at such a place?
Maybe real aliens would laugh at our ideas of aliens, like people in the future can have a laugh at today's futuristic films of what we think the future will be like, or we can be amused of what sci-fi authors 70+ years ago thought it would be like by the year 2000 and beyond. Some things they got right and others are way too optimistic (or pessimistic!).
I once met a rather strange man who saw me and said "the aliens have landed!"
I wondered if he thought I was an alien. Then he sounded mysterious and said, "I know how flying saucers work". So I assumed he was just a UFO enthusiast, sci-fi fan or conspiracy theorist. Unless he really had met aliens and seen their technology(!)
I wonder where you can get alien costumes... maybe I'd find one that suits me, then I might feel more myself(!) (I'd rather be a Vulcan I think, but I'm too reactive and sensitive!)
The large native tribes of North America and Australia were crippled or assimilated by Europeans, but there are still numerous tiny Amazon tribes and island-dwelling natives in the tropical region that were registered, studied, but weren't forced to accept global culture, technology, etc. Maybe Earth is one such tiny tribe that was discovered, but instead of being forced to actively engage in contact, we are being studied by mostly pure observation method with a rare probing here and there.
@@enricofermi3471zoo hypothesis
Regarding the simulation idea, I've always thought the ancestor simulation concept to be too narrow, assuming the outer reality is similar to ours but just advanced. Of course since we have no way to know what's "out there", it's hard to even speculate, but as an avid reader of science fiction and fantasy, I feel there's a far more interesting scenario. Our universe lacks FTL, magic, visible alien civilizations, extraterrestrial demigods, etc. because scientists in the outer reality are trying to calculate gravity while dealing with wizards, techno-star-dragons, reality bending nanotechnology, and impossibly powerful beings, like an MCU/Star Wars/anime/D&D mashup. (Anyone remember *Dragonstar*?) So they made a Matrioshka Brain to stimulate our universe cutting out all those variables. Anyways, sometimes it helps to get through the day.
I don't know if that is comforting or more depressing
Does our reality really lack extraterrestrial demigods? One can even argue we have 5,000 years of written history talking about them. Mythology and almost every religion.
While there is no physical evidence I find it hard to believe that humans across the globe who evolved and developed isolated from one another all decided to start talking about beings coming from the skies and even worshipping them. It makes no sense, the entire premise of the heavens and gods has to come from somewhere.
This is exactly what I need hung over on a Monday morning, my brain bending to comprehend something completely new, thoughts entirely unknown prior!
The most likely reason to create such an extremely elaborate simulation, such as ours would appear to be, is to try to solve an existential crisis facing the creators. This is what we do already, for example with climate models. We need to prepare ourselves for the future by approximating it as best we can. In that case, the simulation needs to be as identical to the 'real' world as possible. If humans of the future found themselves with a looming extinction event, and had the capability to simulate civilization, they could run many simulations like ours to see how we solve the event when it happens to us, and before it actually happens to them. Of course, whether we succeed in finding the solution or not won't matter for our actual survival, if we're not 'actual' to begin with, as we probably get turned off either way.
@OP
Excellent analysis that we have no way of knowing what's out there, nor their motivation for simulating us -- or if they are even aware that they are simulating us...
... or if "they" is an "it".. an AI.
Maybe the real aliens was the DNA we discovered along the way.
In what way do you mean. Dna as a whole is a large umbrella term.
@@caseywallace2923 I think it's a joke, a parody of a quote from a book or a movie.
Get out
Two Stargates diverged in a Dyson Sphere and I - I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
@@johnhernandez5164 sci-fi Frost. I like it
The necrosignature is by far the most unsettling for me. It answers(sorta) an age old question yet raises so many more.
Who or what killed the ones that sent the signal? Have other aliens risen up, received those same signals and chosen to remain quiet or pledge to destroy any life they find in order to ensure their survival?
The dark forrest theory 👍
Judging by our own civilization, the most likely suspect would be themselves.
@@neutrin0329 we haven't destroyed ourselves despite having the ability to do so in an afternoon for nearly 80 years. That to me is evidence against it's likelihood.
@@imjustsam1745we keep pushing these neo-liberals views and expecting the world to get with the time will absolutely lead to our destruction. America is a country of degenerates leading the way to degenerative behavior which is wrecking the economy, wrecking American values, pushing huge companies out of specific states or even worse pushing all those jobs into different countries, it's wrecking family values, suicides are through the roof and to top it all of half the world already knows all of the above from neo liberal views and want thing to do with it and will absolutely go to war to defend its way of living. This all started from gay men wanting equal marriage rights 😂 now look at this country, were pathetic.
@@imjustsam174580 years might as well be a millisecond on a cosmic scale lol give it time we will blow ourselves up
john, consider the possibility that the pre-conditions for life to begin ( since no one has the slightest idea exactly how and why it started ) are entirely specific to this planet...the exact composition of the earth, the strange and probably unique genesis of the moon, etc.
you are exactly right. this would make our existence monumentally significant and beyond comprehension.
the earth would then again be 'the center of the universe'...
I'm with you. People talk about the unimaginably massive size of the universe as though it automatically precludes life on earth being unique. They argue if it's just a matter of numbers, there are so many solar systems, it must have happened elsewhere. But the one number we do not have is the rate of abiogenesis. If there are a trillion habitable planets but the rate of abiogenesis is one in a trillion, then that would leave only one planet with life, the Earth. Until we find another planet with life, we only have the one data point, and we cannot extrapolate from one data point alone how common or rare it is. It could be so rare we are the only abiogenesis, the greatest fluke in the history of Life, the Universe and Everything.
Alternately, it's argued the existence of life on Earth cannot be deliberate because creating such a mindboggling massive universe just for us would be wasteful. But if you have the kind of power where you can create Life, the Universe and Everything, why would you create a tiny universe knowing the intelligent species would be looking at stars, studying astronomy, inventing telescopes and space probes, etc. We would quickly butt up against the walls of our cage. We'd be like Truman in The Truman Show, who finds out a star is just a projector lamp hanging from a fake sky. We would be a fish that realizes he's in a fishbowl. Nowhere to go.
But with such a massive universe to play in, there is always more to discover, and with the horizon that prevents us from seeing beyond the observable universe, we never run into any walls. If I was an omnipotent being, and I wanted to give an intelligent species free will, freedom in all respects, this is how I would do it. After all, I'm omnipotent, making a massive fascinating infinity-edge universe is no harder than making a small boring closed-off one.
I of course have no more answers than anyone else, but I like to be open to all the possibilities. And to me the size of the universe precludes none of them.
Maybe we are Gods chosen people and that’s why we’re on our own. Worth thinking about.
I've thought this for a while, what if the solution to the Fermi paradox is that life is simply so extraordinarily unlikely that we are the only instance of it in millions of potential universes before and after this one.
Some of the most interesting, well researched and presented content on YT. Thanks John, I always enjoy your work.
New drinking game idea... every time JMG says 'Von Neumann Probes' 🤔😀
Seriously JMG always enjoyable and you got the best voice
He’s one of the UA-cam greats for sure
LifeInTheVoid Someone else has noticed Johns fondness for that term! My AA sponsor has vehemently discouraged me from participating in that game. 😜
we are von nuemann probes, literally a cloning machine trying to live forever, sometimes i think we are the growing pains of a god, just like our billions of cells made us, we are making a higher form of life, or evolving into one, or being cog in a machine of one, or just a video game for higher life forms, i dont really know
@@terryboyer1342 cad lever ssr ovr rateed 🥴🥴🥴
I love how deep this got on a Monday for me. Makes my stressful job seem less important. Thank you.
So happy to see this pop up. Thanks again John for the hundredth time :)
14:08 I'd put my money on this, and by extension, the rare technology hypothesis. If you really think about it, there's a nearly unfathomable amount of conditions that need to go right for technologically advanced civilization to even have a chance of starting, much less become detectable at interstellar distances. It's far more than just intelligence, you also need the right kind of environment, physiology, and dumb luck for someone to figure out the possibility exists. Even on Earth, with humans and our near ancestor species, it took literally hundreds of thousands of years to get past stone age hunter gatherer levels of sophistication, despite us knowing from modern tinkering that it's technically possible to go from sticks and mud to early iron age tech in a generation or two.
This has always been my first thought as well. I don't see why 'civilizations' seem inevitable when we're the only one we know of out of all the life that's ever been here.
And now we’re all here on UA-cam
Fuckin’ A bubba!
Yeah this or we are the only are the ones that seem legit, all the others are just sci fi.
We were advanced then we got hit by a space rock and that threw us back to using sticks
Alien Ambassador addressing Earth for the first time: "People of Earth. At the dawn of the universe my kind engaged in a long mission to explore far off stars and worlds. Long ago one of our research ships arrived at a newly formed solar system around a young yellow star. During this survey a low level research associate mistakenly vented an unsterilized toilet tank onto one of the budding young worlds below, and, heh heh, well, egg on our face but four billion years later here I am talking to all of you. . ."
This is why our butts stink. To remind us of you.
I live in hope. Damn, but that would be more than hilarious!!
Hahahaha...
If aliens ever show up and ask me to take them to my leader I'm going to take them to North Korea to troll them for the lolz.
@@durley2067 i love this it's horrible
This is a fantastic episode. Especially appreciate the technological and “trapped” civilization angles.
I appreciate all your alien videos !
- an alien enthusiast
OR as ANTON says " ELIENS" !!
Alien videos including obvious 'debunking'.
For clarification: are you enthusiastic about aliens, or an alien enthusiastic about John? Your phrasing is ambiguous.
You are not alone
No doubt, this is one of the most entertaining and informative channels on YT. Great job (as usual), Sir. 😎
Your videos always make my day.
I find myself looking up in the night sky as much as I can. To catch a glimpse of a passing satellite. To marveling at Jupiter and Saturn’s amazing march across the sky together. Always hoping to see something more.
Same here. I saw my first (and only) fireball last year…I was like a kid on Christmas morning.
I can't be the only person who loves this channel's 10 unsettling and 10 spooky videos about aliens and Fermi paradox and such.
The possibility that we are alone, is infinitely more terrifying than us not being alone.
its terrifying but also kinda empowering, becausr that means that we humans are the most important beings in the universe. that gives life a lot more meaning and value than if we were one of billions of different civilizations.
@@cboisandlin9601it also makes our existence that much more tragic, as when the story of our earth comes to an end so does the ability of our universe to perceive & appreciate itself. It’s as the saying goes, if no one is around to witness our reality, did it ever even exist in the first place?
Given human history, which I understand you can’t necessarily compare to a possible alien civilisation, I hope we’re alone. If we’re superior, we’d wipe them out. If they’re superior, they’d wipe us out.
I've literally been so tuned in listening to these videos that I will have the video finish and will just about break free from a trance state.
Usually I immediately realize that I never actually fell asleep and that the video was only 15 mins, even though I feel as though I fell asleep and have been listening for hours.
Its interesting as a point of reference when most of the ways I percieve time, it doesnt tend to be so incoherent, but when I try focusing on someones words and fight sleep, I actually go into a trance like state that I can slip in and out of and will lose my sense of time.
Meditation is hard for me so having a calm voice talk about a subject I love is what I guess is my way of entering that state unconsciously but in a consenting way.
I have never heard anything more beautiful than what it would mean if we were the only planet with life. The idea of a lonely, gargantuan force like the universe doing everything in its power to try to understand what it is, is absolutely mind bending. You have a phenomenal way with words John.
10 hour sleep compilation when?!?!?!
Good stuff JMG! Ok, free sci fi space drive idea! The Higgs field suppression drive! All Fermions become massless in the fields influence. Hence they must move at light speed. Instant Starship.
So the people on the ship are frozen in time by the relativistic effect. When the drive finally cuts out, hundreds of universes have come and gone around them.
I always dig the ethereal ambient "space music" behind your narration, Mr Godier.
Cell phones, cat videos and donuts. Well, that pretty much sums it up
The idea that a message might be encoded in our DNA is a fascinating one and could be an epic sci fi story!
I could imagine it saying "Congratulations, if you are reading this now , it is only because you have reached this level of understanding." Etc. Amazing possibilities.
Just want to say thanks for making content. I never new how much I loved space till I found you channels. Keep it going
I think that we're alone. Earth and humans ARE special. We are the Old Ones who will seed the universe.
I found your event horizon a while back but just discovered this UA-cam channel. I must say, I love them both! So incredibly interesting!!
Sir you are just too good to us
This was only the opening Salvo. I saved a bunch of stuff for spooky October over the course of the last year.
I watch John’s videos mostly at night before going to bed. Sometimes I doze off but I am always awaken by the ghostly “liiiiive” at the end of every video.
Looking forward to what you come up with for Halloween! Hopefully, it'll be extra spooky content! Without going into anything supernatural or any pseudoscience of course! I always appreciate how you like to stick to the hard facts and science (with some healthy speculation of course) yet still keep content enjoyable. As always, keep up the good work JMG!
It’s been a year and I still listen to this one once a week 😬
Thanks JMG. I'm loving watching your channels continue to grow 👍
Long time viewer John, love your videos. As for Panspermia, you asked how the elements could form into life then went into explaining Panspermia. I kept telling myself, "When is he gonna ask where THAT life originated?" Thanks and keep up the excellent vids.
"That vast majority of [stars] are, in principal, habitable.. Sun-like stars are among the most common." No. I would pretty much say this is just incorrect. G and K stars (similar to the sun) make up less than 20% of main sequence stars. That's not a majority or common, in my eyes. People like to claim M-Stars are habitable for some reason, even though that means the planet would be tidally locked and not spinning, and likely not have a magnetosphere since M-Stars are way too violent.
I was just about to point this out. It’s hard to take this video seriously when the first option is factually wrong.
Seems this narrator really doesn't take long to think about this stuff. Just making content
Excuse the Randomness but here you go, have some warm Recommendations, cause the Learning never Ends! (Thats the entire reason, yes)
-Veritasium.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-It’s ok to be smart.
-Oversimplified (for History)
-Michio Kaku.
-Multiple channel with the word Engineering in it.
-Cynical Reviews.
-The Best for Last: Hbomberguy!
What if you’re an alien and not know it?
My favorite thought is that life we may encounter has learned to enter dormancy and wait out mistakes or dangerous cycles on their planet beneath the surface or in an orbiting asteroid or ring field. The idea being that actually becoming a type 1 civilization which has mastered control of their planet may not necessarily mean controlling every aspect of it so much as learning when to live on the surface and when to wait for the planet to settle and continue where you left off. Whether the aliens themselves are locust-like in a voracious devouring of resources that creates the inhospitality or the planet itself is simply subjected to inhospitable conditions on a cyclical nature which they can predict is up for grabs.
Absolutely great video, mate. This was a great watch
Excuse the Randomness but here you go, have some warm Recommendations, cause the Learning never Ends! (Thats the entire reason, yes)
-Veritasium.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-It’s ok to be smart.
-Oversimplified (for History)
-Michio Kaku.
-Multiple channel with the word Engineering in it.
-Cynical Reviews.
-The Best for Last: Hbomberguy!
Absolutely agree with your beginning point. I believe we are one way the universe can know itself. Each and every living thing is the universe's expression of sensing itself.
And if there is no life on Titan or Mars, then all bets are off.
I say we introduce it.
We owe it to every living thing on this planet, every ancestor we have, to spread beyond this world. If survival is the one thing we have learned, so be it. Survive we must.
During discussions like this, I think we too much assume the alien psychy would be as pre disposed to war/conquering as we are.
I would state this somewhat differently: We tend to assume that aliens share similar values -- and there is no rational means to make such an assumption. In fact it is highly unlikely that aliens would share any values with us at all.
@@williamblack4006I completely agree with you.
His voice is so soothing but the videos are so interesting. I have to watch while also falling asleep to his voice. Damnit.
I feel like the scariest thought is if the universe is indeed infinite (which it is looking like it is). The possibilities and certainties that come with this are mind numbing.
1. Thank you for your continued content 🥰🥰🥰. 2. an algorithms bump 😎
This was excellent, thanks John.
I believe the chances of life out in the universe are very high, I don’t even question it. What I do question is whether there is another animal/species out there somewhere in the universe that also uses and creates technology. Earth has spawn millions of all kinds of animal life, and yet only one even attempts technology.
But I do believe in the incredibly lucky theory when it come to our planet. It’s absolutely amazing how much earth supplies, from snow cap mountains to desserts to vast oceans and so on. From arctic to tropical and everything in between. Not only is our planet habitable but it’s designed like an artistic masterpiece 🌍
I like the "extras" simulation hypothesis: Where we're the extras in someone else's simulation. It seems to wrinkle the tendency for human egocentrism.
Years ago I read a sf book about earth being a simulation, in a game played by kids. They wanted tot see what would happen. In the end they got bored and wiped the game.
This one really suited my mood today. Thanks, JMG.
There is absolutely no way we are alone in the universe. Our existence is an extremely lucky, unlikely, and unique thing, but in no way is it that unlikely.
But we just might be one of the first ones to evolve to this level. What might be the actually rare thing is curious and self-aware intelligent life.
I always enjoy taking the trip with you, much appreciated.
My studies in molecular biology left me with the sense that - assuming natural causes - the visible universe is neither old enough nor large enough to justify our existence. Since we exist, this causes me to suspect we are completely alone.
My gut says that we're early to the game. Maybe even the first. It gives a overwhelmingly feeling of loniness :/ and makes me appreciate my direct and indirect family (all life) even more.
Funny - the beings that I created in my simulation said the same thing...
If we were not the first, we would surely see evidence of a far more advanced alien civilization somewhere by now.
@@TheFinalChapters Why, maybe they dont want contact
We are not old enough to understand the justification for our existence
John you're a key fundamental piece in the creation of our new eutopia. I just wanted to say this to you so when you know you will understand
I used to believe it impossible for there not to be other intelligent life out there. Lately I have been wondering if we even have that here.
There is, but we make up less than a whopping 5% ish, total population.
IQ range from 120-160
Only 2% are 130+
A vastly majority of the population fall between 90-110. Trending towards the lower end.
IQ is bullshit, bud. Incredible you’re talking about there not being many “intelligent” people and yet you’re quoting IQ stats. You should do some research on IQ and it’s history.
For your consideration; there may be several reasons that fall weather is, as you say, spooky.
Plants that are regulated by the cycle of the seasons emit chemical transmitters in order to cull their leaves. It is also used to ripen fruits. Oddly it's one of those gases once investigated as a potential anesthetic agent for use on humans during surgery.
Bacteria and molds start the process of breaking down those dead leaves and emit Carbon Dioxide in the process. Higher levels are detectable by humans leading to that anxiety feeling.
The daily amount of light begins to diminish helping to ramp up those anxiety levels as well.
An interesting way of thinking about it is; What in the observable universe is a unique stand alone, one off occurrence with no contemporaries? Why would we believe technological civilizations are the exception? Intelligent life, albeit rare in comparison to most of the rest of the animal kingdom, does exist in nature, octopus, elephants, other great apes, dolphins, felines, several species of birds. We tend to equate intelligence with technology, when the fact is, until 12,000 years ago, our level of technology wasn't much more sophisticated then hides, stones, bone, and other simple natural materials.
I’m loving this channel, and get a kick out of that last line,” this amazing universe in which we liiiivvvveee”….
So perfect thank you for this. It’s exactly what I need!
2.08am and I'm finally ready to get to sleep, then I see this video, now I have a coffee
I just recently came across your channel. I have sub to a lot of science/universe related channels, and this channel is definitely my top 3 in this genre. You do not “recycle” the same content over and over AND OVER again… for example, a channel called “Simply Space” do that WAY TOO OFTEN. They basically would used a click bait title, but when you start watching the video, you noticed that they basically are talking about the same thing that they have talked about literally couple days ago, then they would have the “balls” to use the same content again, basically just switch some words around 🙄. Anyways, I really enjoy your content and please keep up the excellent work!! 💪💪💪👍👍👍👍💯💯💯🥰🥰
Excellent video!
"powerless to help", as they died millions of years ago as radio waves take FOREVER to travel in space the necro transmissions is sort of moot due to this if some one says HI they are long dead and dust by the time the single gets to us
I find the idea we are alone the most terrifying. My scientific brain says that isn't logical
We'd be a whole lot better off in the long run if we are "alone". *_Any_* real evidence of other life forms in the universe, especially "intelligent" ones would be very bad news for us... even if they exist on the other side of the galaxy, or another galaxy. It would mean "the great filter" is still ahead of us.
Yes, I feel we would have to be within a controlled simulation if that was the case.
I find it highly relaxing and cool. To think we are the most unique and rare thing in the universe is a blessing. To think we are one of millions of like civilizations so far ahead of us is depressing and sad.
That's a perfect opportunity to start launching Von Neuman ships! "First come, first conquers, little 3D-printed slave races! BWA-hahahahahahaHA!"
It’s not logical. Not in the slightest! It’s scary to have both possibilities equally likely at this time.
I think I agree mostly with the school of thought that says intelligent civilizations cannot advance to the point of interstellar expansion, thus we cannot identify the other planets with intelligent life and they cannot identify us.
See, I knew that JMG was an alien. He's probably just giving us bad scenarios so that we don't stumble upon the real truth.
I can't have it out there that I came here for the Starbuck's and donuts.
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-Veritasium.
-Professor Dave Explains.
-It’s ok to be smart.
-Oversimplified (for History)
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@@JohnMichaelGodier thats what an alien would say
That’s stupis
HeyHey John, Mark from tha "sleep crew" here great one as usual man :-) we thk you SO much Brotha !! Your style and strategy to deliver this INFO is the BEST.
the most likely explanation is we're early to the party... I like the idea that grabby aliens (like us) will dominate the cosmos....
I find the most scary theory, is Aliens already did Exist, and they build capsules and things so people remember them. But it’s all destroyed. And we truly are Alone.
I will admit I was familiar with these with one exception being the "Locked In" theory, it's so simple and yet I never thought about it. But then again if a water world species became intelligent enough and had the means to manipulate seafloor objects with a reasonable amount of dexterity could they not start harnessing energy like that of hydrothermal vents on the sea floor or build rafts that hold massive arrays of solar panels? I mean in such a situation it would likely take longer than a ground based species but as long as they have the intelligence, the ability to communicate and the resources locked within the planets rocky core isn't it fairly likely they could build technology? I mean hell, what's stopping them from eventually filling a ship with water, making sure the pressure can be controlled and then blasting off?
I understand what I said above is a situation we can't really confirm or deny without finding such a planet but John makes it sound like fire is the only source of energy that could provide an intelligent species with what it needs to progress.
The ships filled with water comment reminds me of the Xindi aquatics from Star Trek: Enterprise.
You myst not realize just how important fire was to both our development and our tech advances frim the very beginning which means they would have a much longer and very differnt road to go down
Ive been telling people for years, the universe is expanding because its alive and growing...we are a tiny tiny tiny part in a vast and complex system.
Wait, a month of spooky stuff from JMG?!? 😁😁😁
Great video once again John Alien Overlords Theory. Is still the most frightening. 👍
Happy October, JMG!
These videos go so well with bongs and coffee in the morning 👽
Love your show ! - "Ufos are real", the pentagon said. At least that is what we learned here in the Netherlands.
Only to the extent that they are ‘unidentified flying objects’. The leap to ‘that means aliens’ is the trouble.
Believing in statements by the Pentagon are about as real as believing my tax dollars are being used for a good cause
Mind bending video this! Thanks John great upload 👍🏻
So so so hit it out of the park! Why don’t you have a monetary thank you? I’d give you $10 bucks right now if you had that. One of your very best videos.
he literally has a patreon and mentions it in the description lol
John, this is, imho, the best way to start off October. Good stuff, man!
And for the record, I don't even want to hazard a guess as to what the right answer is, but I think the fact that we're still, relatively speaking, the new kids with telescopes, combined with the fact that (for now, anyway) we only have one biological model to work from (ourselves), we don't know nearly enough about the Universe in which we liiiiiiive to really start forming solid theories. I say any and every possibility should be on the table at this point, and even if what we know today says "Well, that one's just wrong," who knows what we'll learn in the next ten years that makes us say, "Well, there might be something to this after all." It's still way early in the game for us!
Keep 'em coming!
'There is no one else'
Or there were plenty, but never at the same time (?)
Always happy when I see a video of yours!
John's fixation and fear of machines always amuses me. Admittedly, I still think that our idea of "machine civilizations" is ludicrously primitive. I seriously doubt that, if we met one, we'd recognize these machine civilizations as machines. There's a point, I think, where the miniaturization of tech will make it indistinguishable from biology. At the same time, I doubt it'll look biological, either.
Wait, you doubt it _would_ look biological if we met a machine civilization face to face? Or did you just mean you'd doubt that such a civilization would look _technological? Thanks, in advance, my friend.
@@realzachfluke1 I'm saying that, should we encounter "machines" out there, they're definitely not gonna look like our modern image of machines. I also acknowledge that, being designed to operate in space, they won't look biological, either. I like to refer to the first aliens we meet as "bone slimes" because it'll probably be completely different from anything we could conceive.
"Life that doesn't look obviously technological or artificial (on the macroscopic level), but doesn't look biological either"--so _Steven Universe_ caliber technology, albeit less relatable and Children's Cartoon, clearly.
The problem with this is indeed the blurring of lines: once you go Diamond Age (nanoscale to picoscale) with 3-D or n-D printing technology (printing out life that changes either as time or as a fourth, fifth dimension of space does), biological senses aren't really going to pick up what's "artificial" and what's "natural". That's enough to make anybody touchy or paranoid--for all we know a Von Neumann "bioprinter" of some sort could just be hanging out cranking out fascimiles of humans that are instructed at the sub-atomic level to "pass for Baryonic, mainstream pair-protonized Oxygen/Carbon-chain life until the locals assume star system HD Xxx-Yyyy is inhabited, then activate full abilities."
Meaning we get enough proof and then we're in a "They Live" scenario against nominal super-humans (relative to us by way of Tom Scott) who are already occupying Earth at zero risk to their lives, society, consciousness, anything.
@@bradleypoe6846 For me it's the raw flexibility that interests me. Advanced "machines" that have countless redundant systems for sustaining "life" ranging from chemosynthesis just from interacting with soil to highly-efficient photosynthesis-while retaining the possibility for less efficient, but high-energy options. Oh, but with incredible heat management abilities the likes of which would make the cooling mechanisms on modern technology look cute.
You're videos keep me so courios honestly I hate the thought that one day I will die not knowing what lies out there
Actually, aliens were in preparation to extend a greeting to the people of Earth after having received our first broadcasts. They dispatched a camouflaged probe (Oumuamua) to catch up on the latest goings on with Earth.
They decided it would be best to cancel those plans and recalled their probe.
Some one has to be the first civilisation, what if we are the first? I know the odds are low that we are the first but any first civilisation would ask the same question "where is all the life"
Or maybe we're the last and everyone else died off already.
It certainly is possible. I like to believe that the older the Universe is, the more likely it becomes for life (as we know it) to show up, because we rely on elements which require a long time to form in significant amounts in any given region in space (or perhaps not). Either way, the Universe is so inconceivably big that it's difficult to meet life outside our Solar System. And we're not only far apart in space, but in time too.
Alternatively, the first civilization would naturally become the *only* civilization, spreading throughout its galactic supercluster faster than life could evolve into another civilization somewhere unexplored.
If we are the first, God help the universe.
I'm going to bookmark this for later. Your videos are best consumed after the sun goes down :-)
Let’s go!
We may "alone" in the sense of no other "human-like" intelligences willing to hang-out for a serious discussion on politics, sex, race, or women's rights. But we are definitely NOT alone in the sense of weird-looking, fire-balls, glowing orbs, silver discs, and shape-shifting critters invading our airspace, hovering over houses at 3 am, or flying rings around our fastest fighter jets. Massive, extremely elaborate crop circles where individual stalks of grain are intricately woven like a basket are also a clear sign that many of these indicators of intelligence were not made in the middle of the night by some art students, trying to put on a hoax or get attention.
I almost believe we’re life seeded by an alien civilization. There is just too many references to gods bringing life to earth in ancient cultures I.e. Egyptian, Norse, Central American, literally all religious origin stories. There’s something that we have forgotten as a species and I’m eager to find the answer.
I generally look at religions as an attempt to understand the unknown, or ambiguous. Religions have been popping up over and over along the way, in a huge variety, so it seems hard to believe that they all would originate from one past memory, but rather a continuous questioning.
Human imagination tends to create the same narratives under simular circumstances. It seems that simularities in mythology or symbolism points to a common origin in time and location. This is not necesarily true. It is just that the human mind and culture tends to develop the same way.
Comparable to convergent evolution.
@@supernaut7946 beautifully put
Your idea that life was seeded here from somewhere else is reasonable, but the idea that ancient civilizations had a memory of it isn't. Life existed on this planet for over three billion years before there were any civilizations or even humans or any other mammals or other vertebrate life forms to know about it.
@ Long Johnson: Sounds like ancestor-worship: the deeply flawed notion that the non-scientific primitive culture of our forebears was magically gifted with superior knowledge.
What's more frightening knowing your alone or knowing your not alone but are so far away from each other the time scale would be impossible to reach each other.