This is the best video I’ve seen about this machine. I never really understood what it would be used for but now it makes perfect sense and I can see how it would be a very valuable tool to have.
For your epoxy inlays in the future, you might consider some plumbers putty or a similar material to make a dam to supplement the piping bag technique. The tool is too rich for my blood, but it was fascinating to watch it work!
I just got one in my shop, and I have exactly the same feelings about it. Out of the box I was cutting in about 30 min. pretty amazing. Great video David!
I just saw this thing last week and thought it looked interesting but didnt seem legit. Thanks for testing it out! I'll probably never be able to afford one, but it is super cool
You want the tape to be in the same plane as the top of the workpiece. For thin materials, you can get away being in the table. The best way to save on tape is to apply it to reusable pieces of the same height material you are working on.
This is the first demo I've seen for this tool. Seems pretty cool, and yes, can perform some operations not feasible with an average hobbyist's CNC. As usual, you made it uber-interesting~! And yes, that's pretty pricy, but if that's your only CNC device, then maybe it's a wash. Thanks for the demo~!
I enjoy the machine but I'm not a fan of the calibrating tape. I understand that it's necessary with this style of setup, but it is another necessary proprietary material and produces a large amount of waste.
@@dwightl5863 Waste is waste and little actions add up. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy it, I'm just stating that it is a thing. Go fry your bigger fish
There are a couple website tools that will generate the tape patterns on your own paper that you can print. Many folks end up making jigs, like the Shaper vertical workstation, that don't destroy tape. I've had my Origin over two years and am only on my third role of tape.
Any time I used epoxy that requires a very clean finish I use craft syringes with various diameter tips. Nothing special but you can get them from Amazon for next to nothing. Very interesting video. Keepem coming 👍
Man I love this channel, but you've just shown me something I don't think I can live without.....and they don't sell them in Australia. Oh, the humanity!
I think that thing is more of an expensive crutch used by those who haven't mastered the Router to a degree that allows you to do those procedures without it. I don't mean this in any type of disrespectful way. It's just what I think. Thanks David and I'm happy to see you making things with Dan again.
If you are doing batch work, lots of this can be done with jigs and a router. Origin shines when you want to iterate or make many unique items. Being able to make offset & depth adjustment in the fly means you can work very efficiently once you understand the capability.
@@ShumanProjects Truthfully, for $2,500.00, it's hard to justify when you think of all the Routers, accessories, jigs, templates, bits, a nice router table and so on for that much money. And, you don't have to keep buying Shaper Tape at $18.00 a roll . I'm sure that would add up pretty fast. Again, just offering my thoughts.
If I factor what my time is worth, I can get to $2500 in time savings really fast. I've been using my Origin for 2 ½ years and I'm on my third roll of tape. Don't get me wrong, it isn't for every use case, but it is a very powerful & capable tool.
Inside line cut is so that you can switch to a smaller/more precise bit to cut sharp corners and remove the radius of the bit (like at the tips of the diamonds). Also helps prevent chip-out. On the first pass you you can use a larger bit to hog out most of the material.
Finally. A video that explains how this machine takes human error out of the equation. Been watching a series of videos from very credible Makers who use this machine and Ive always left them wondering how the machine is a CNC when in reality its just a person with a router and if they go off line they dont ruin a cut. Thanks for explaining that David. Have to say though, very overpriced. This machine is $2600 and my CNC Ox was only $850. And that requires no manual work from me at all.
Great video.I’ve seen some demonstrations of it before.Many guys use a board right in front of the workpiece the route into and put the tape on that piece,so they don’t waste to much of the tape.Guess you know,and I never used it,just found it a good solution.Don’t know if it was possible in your case.Great result.
I was early enough to be on the early bird kick starter.. I would have thrown my money at it there and then, but they wouldn't let me because I live in the UK and they were US only kickstarter
Thank you for making this video. This is an awesome machine and it will pay for itself when you have to do things that one cannot take to cnc machine. Right now I am investing in big cnc machines but this will be on my list. Thanks again and lookforward to watching future videos from your channel.
I think I might remember Stumpy Nubs doing the “piping bag” technique once...it turned out really cool! Also, tell Dan props for the J-cut at the end...kinda threw me (and I think it was meant to) lol
Thanks for the video, David. The Shaper Origin will definitely find its way in my shop in the future. Woodworking, stepper motors and computer vision in one device.... unfortunately, I can’t resist. Ha! Thanks again.
Early adopters always pay through the nose. I want a lot of you to buy, so that the masses can afford it! BTW, I think it's cool technology, but I do not want nor need one. Just being selfless:-)
High cost? I need something for a 48x48 1/2 ply, I thought while watching that my size restrictions are only the length of domino tape. Compared to a CNC this is a bargain in my mind. GREAT video on the function, thanks for doing it David!
2500 smh 🤦🏻♂️ try 3000 now, crazy. I bet it works like a dream though, would defiantly love to own one but don’t have 3200 to spend on something like this
Can the tape be reused, the parts that aren’t cut of course. How much does a Lol of tape cost. What size bits does it accept. How easy to learn software?
You also end up making jigs to hold work, like the Shaper vertical workstation, that let you use the same tape over and over. It comes with a 1/4" collet but you can get a 1/8" as well. I have some nice 1/32" and 1 /16" bits I use in the 1/8" for fine details .
I absolutely hate when a woodworking channel starts a project and then they whip out a Shaper Origin or "let's take this over to the CNC", I didn't start watching your informational/teaching/how-to channel for you to play elitist rich-bitch. Now, that said, this particular video isn't bad in that way, it's clear this is showing functionality of a high-end tool., "this is what you can do it you end up buying one of these." But I'd like to see the CNC or Origin shown as a premium decorative add-on to a project, not integral to the project.
One trick for smaller parts is to use that tape on a reusable board or right on your workbench. Then you can reuse the same scan area for multiple pieces.
What a great device, I might get one, I wonder how much it costs. ..looks it up... then steps away slowly... Not even if I win the lottery. Out of principle. It's not a revolutionary tool, it's just an easier way to do something. Considering it's aimed at woodworkers, not millionaires, I'll call it a smart idea at a stupid price.
The tape is too expensive. 1 roll costs 16€ and is enough for 1.5 1*2m ply sheets it says on the site. I find it expensive, especially when you pay so much for the machine.. And you can't get it everywhere.. And if they go out of business you're buggered. Just my thoughts.
I've been looking at how this thing works for a while and this is definitely the best video to showcase what it can be used for, how it works and some of the limitations of using the tool. Good job!
I have one. Yes it is expensive, but much does a high end platform cnc cost? I puchased it becsuse I wanted a cnc for inlays but do not hsve the shop space for a platform type cnc.
Same. We have used ours on very small projects (1 inch diameter ) and big projects (8 feet long). There is no way we would have room for a 4*8 foot traditional cnc.
Honestly this thing is a genius idea. Expensive but genius. Does it have some quick functions for doing things like rabbits/dadoes/etc? Not the hardest thing to do with existing jigs but this would be much faster.
I wish that creators of this machine give you back your money just because you made such a cool advertisement for the machine. And I mean it the good way. No script just your honest opinion which your fans like in you!
I was thinking this would be an awesome tool to put in the school maker space... then you said the price and I coughed up a lung. Was thinking it would be 1/10 that cost.
Great demo, thanks! This video is 2 years old, so I don't know if I'll get any feedback; but I'm asking my question anyway: I'm currently starting out and haven't yet invested in any tools. Considering that I'll be getting a Hammer saw-shaper, do you think I could avoid buying a handheld router if I had a Shaper Origin?
that’s an amazing machine. the possibilities are endless. what’s up with the walls in that room? what kind of walls are in that room? where do i find walls like that? is that sound proofing? what kind of walls are those? cheers!
the touch down does not read the heigth of the material but the depth at which the bit contacts the material..for this machine all material has the same heigth which is the top surface of the material..
Curious about the consumable, the tape. Can you take strip off and reuse it? And if not, whats the cost of a "cut" in tape. What about privacy, now your router knows exactly what you cut and when. Notice : now owned by Festool.
The tape is only meant for one use. The adhesive balances holding down while you work but also coming off without reside. Folks have built some cool multi function jigs and plates that keep the tape from project to project. Shaper has plans for a vertical workstation you can build (and they now sell a production version). Both don't require new tape. I built a vacuum hold down table I use that doesn't require new tape each time. I did a video about a year ago on my channel, if you are interested. We have had our Origin over two years & are on our third roll of tape.
“I’m not trying to talk you into buying this” too late I want one! Have you tried a meat injector for epoxy? They sell them at dollar store might be worth trying for a buck.
Thank you, David (and Dan)! I've seen lots of videos about the Shaper Origin. Until I saw your video, I didn't know what it was like to really use the thing. So thanks! I want a Shaper Origin. But as you say, the price is high. It's even higher than some quality table, CNC machines that can do 3D carves (Origin does not do full, 3D relief carves). OTOH -- I don't have room for a CNC table. I'll probably get one, but I am waiting until I really need it for a project. Maybe I'll ask Santa.
It is true Origin doesn't do 3D relief cutting. I think Origin vs traditional cnc depends on the type of work you do. I think Shaper is more useful for joinery/furniture/woodworking tasks than a traditional cnc. If you want to do signs & carving, a traditional cnc is going to be more functional.
This is the best video I’ve seen about this machine. I never really understood what it would be used for but now it makes perfect sense and I can see how it would be a very valuable tool to have.
The Shaper Workstation solved your small pieces issue. It's fantastic! Also, using glue syringes for the epoxy works well. Very controlled.
The one thing I like about mine is that it is so simple to operate. My son wanted to make a sign for his room. He was 9 at the time and had no issues.
Great demo. It gives us a view on how one would actually use it. I'm sold!
For your epoxy inlays in the future, you might consider some plumbers putty or a similar material to make a dam to supplement the piping bag technique. The tool is too rich for my blood, but it was fascinating to watch it work!
Awesome video and great explination on how the Shaper works. Makes me want to get one, but need some more room in my shop.
I feel you should have used a different approach on blue :P ty for trying it out
I just got one in my shop, and I have exactly the same feelings about it. Out of the box I was cutting in about 30 min. pretty amazing. Great video David!
I just saw this thing last week and thought it looked interesting but didnt seem legit. Thanks for testing it out! I'll probably never be able to afford one, but it is super cool
Another great video Dave
A great idea that ended up being way too expensive to produce.
Id love to see you make a guitar with it.
Are u in the uk
The moustache makes you look like Bill Kelliher from Mastodon!
Couldn't you just put the domino tape on the work table? I think I have seen that done.
You want the tape to be in the same plane as the top of the workpiece. For thin materials, you can get away being in the table. The best way to save on tape is to apply it to reusable pieces of the same height material you are working on.
This is the first demo I've seen for this tool. Seems pretty cool, and yes, can perform some operations not feasible with an average hobbyist's CNC. As usual, you made it uber-interesting~! And yes, that's pretty pricy, but if that's your only CNC device, then maybe it's a wash. Thanks for the demo~!
I enjoy the machine but I'm not a fan of the calibrating tape. I understand that it's necessary with this style of setup, but it is another necessary proprietary material and produces a large amount of waste.
What if I told you it comes right off and is reusable? Because that's what I did.
@@MakeSomething that is definitely a plus, then you only lose some when you have to cut through it. Thanks for sharing!
I doubt an inch wide piece of tape will destroy the planet. There are much bigger fish to fry.
@@dwightl5863 Waste is waste and little actions add up. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy it, I'm just stating that it is a thing. Go fry your bigger fish
There are a couple website tools that will generate the tape patterns on your own paper that you can print.
Many folks end up making jigs, like the Shaper vertical workstation, that don't destroy tape. I've had my Origin over two years and am only on my third role of tape.
I just played with this at rockler here in Orlando Florida 2500 they can take my money
Any time I used epoxy that requires a very clean finish I use craft syringes with various diameter tips. Nothing special but you can get them from Amazon for next to nothing. Very interesting video. Keepem coming 👍
I generally opt for syringes at a farm supply store like Tractor Supply. Anywhere from 3cc to 120cc.
You can get better quality and speed from a CNC table.
Man I love this channel, but you've just shown me something I don't think I can live without.....and they don't sell them in Australia. Oh, the humanity!
not just come out ....it was 1st released in 2016 so 4 whole years
Haha, you are the worst salesman but I appreciate your honesty much more anyways. :)
Haha!
I think that thing is more of an expensive crutch used by those who haven't mastered the Router to a degree that allows you to do those procedures without it.
I don't mean this in any type of disrespectful way. It's just what I think.
Thanks David and I'm happy to see you making things with Dan again.
If you are doing batch work, lots of this can be done with jigs and a router. Origin shines when you want to iterate or make many unique items. Being able to make offset & depth adjustment in the fly means you can work very efficiently once you understand the capability.
@@ShumanProjects Truthfully, for $2,500.00, it's hard to justify when you think of all the Routers, accessories, jigs, templates, bits, a nice router table and so on for that much money.
And, you don't have to keep buying Shaper Tape at $18.00 a roll . I'm sure that would add up pretty fast.
Again, just offering my thoughts.
If I factor what my time is worth, I can get to $2500 in time savings really fast. I've been using my Origin for 2 ½ years and I'm on my third roll of tape.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't for every use case, but it is a very powerful & capable tool.
Inside line cut is so that you can switch to a smaller/more precise bit to cut sharp corners and remove the radius of the bit (like at the tips of the diamonds). Also helps prevent chip-out. On the first pass you you can use a larger bit to hog out most of the material.
reminds me of the first vcrs......my dad paid 1200 bucks for one. The last one I ever bought cost me 49 dollars.
Yep! I remember my dad paying $500.
I didn't know there's a error margin, and the machine corrects little mistakes. Incredible tool.
What a great machine. I can see how it would come in super useful in many situations. And the table looks great. It worked amazing.
The blue epoxy inlay was a great idea! And that “cake decorating” squeeze bag technique was on point 👍
Yeah legit 😎
Called a "Piping Bag". Great idea too.
So...it seems that Dan spent his free time during the Apocalypse doing a bit of cake decorating?
Finally. A video that explains how this machine takes human error out of the equation.
Been watching a series of videos from very credible Makers who use this machine and Ive always left them wondering how the machine is a CNC when in reality its just a person with a router and if they go off line they dont ruin a cut.
Thanks for explaining that David.
Have to say though, very overpriced. This machine is $2600 and my CNC Ox was only $850. And that requires no manual work from me at all.
Great video.I’ve seen some demonstrations of it before.Many guys use a board right in front of the workpiece the route into and put the tape on that piece,so they don’t waste to much of the tape.Guess you know,and I never used it,just found it a good solution.Don’t know if it was possible in your case.Great result.
That thing runs on black magic. Crazy times.
Great honest review mate. Hopefully can get them in Australia for a good price. Stevo
Did you notice his Aussie flag is backwards?
Always makes me laugh when you cut off your talking about what you are gonna do next and just jump to the next scene. Love it, haha. Cool video!
I wish I would of bought it when they were half the cost
I was early enough to be on the early bird kick starter.. I would have thrown my money at it there and then, but they wouldn't let me because I live in the UK and they were US only kickstarter
Thank you for making this video. This is an awesome machine and it will pay for itself when you have to do things that one cannot take to cnc machine.
Right now I am investing in big cnc machines but this will be on my list.
Thanks again and lookforward to watching future videos from your channel.
I think I might remember Stumpy Nubs doing the “piping bag” technique once...it turned out really cool!
Also, tell Dan props for the J-cut at the end...kinda threw me (and I think it was meant to) lol
Thanks for the video, David. The Shaper Origin will definitely find its way in my shop in the future. Woodworking, stepper motors and computer vision in one device.... unfortunately, I can’t resist. Ha! Thanks again.
How'd you get it to cut that circle on your arm?
Early adopters always pay through the nose. I want a lot of you to buy, so that the masses can afford it! BTW, I think it's cool technology, but I do not want nor need one. Just being selfless:-)
High cost? I need something for a 48x48 1/2 ply, I thought while watching that my size restrictions are only the length of domino tape. Compared to a CNC this is a bargain in my mind. GREAT video on the function, thanks for doing it David!
👍👍👍👍definitely a game changer
A pocket CNC!!!! Does it come with a belt hook!
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2500 smh 🤦🏻♂️ try 3000 now, crazy. I bet it works like a dream though, would defiantly love to own one but don’t have 3200 to spend on something like this
Can the tape be reused, the parts that aren’t cut of course. How much does a Lol of tape cost. What size bits does it accept. How easy to learn software?
People put strips of tape on paper and make photocopies because it's a consumable
Thank you .
You also end up making jigs to hold work, like the Shaper vertical workstation, that let you use the same tape over and over.
It comes with a 1/4" collet but you can get a 1/8" as well. I have some nice 1/32" and 1 /16" bits I use in the 1/8" for fine details .
I absolutely hate when a woodworking channel starts a project and then they whip out a Shaper Origin or "let's take this over to the CNC", I didn't start watching your informational/teaching/how-to channel for you to play elitist rich-bitch.
Now, that said, this particular video isn't bad in that way, it's clear this is showing functionality of a high-end tool., "this is what you can do it you end up buying one of these." But I'd like to see the CNC or Origin shown as a premium decorative add-on to a project, not integral to the project.
One trick for smaller parts is to use that tape on a reusable board or right on your workbench. Then you can reuse the same scan area for multiple pieces.
I need to do this! Thanks!
@@MakeSomething by the looks of their website, they have a 'workstation' that seems to be made for working on smaller pieces.
What a great device, I might get one, I wonder how much it costs.
..looks it up... then steps away slowly...
Not even if I win the lottery. Out of principle. It's not a revolutionary tool, it's just an easier way to do something.
Considering it's aimed at woodworkers, not millionaires, I'll call it a smart idea at a stupid price.
The tape is too expensive. 1 roll costs 16€ and is enough for 1.5 1*2m ply sheets it says on the site. I find it expensive, especially when you pay so much for the machine.. And you can't get it everywhere.. And if they go out of business you're buggered. Just my thoughts.
David, what are those wall tiles surrounding the desk? Where do I get them?
Also want to know about those tiles. Thanks!
I've been looking at how this thing works for a while and this is definitely the best video to showcase what it can be used for, how it works and some of the limitations of using the tool. Good job!
I have one. Yes it is expensive, but much does a high end platform cnc cost? I puchased it becsuse I wanted a cnc for inlays but do not hsve the shop space for a platform type cnc.
Same. We have used ours on very small projects (1 inch diameter ) and big projects (8 feet long). There is no way we would have room for a 4*8 foot traditional cnc.
Honestly this thing is a genius idea. Expensive but genius. Does it have some quick functions for doing things like rabbits/dadoes/etc? Not the hardest thing to do with existing jigs but this would be much faster.
I wish that creators of this machine give you back your money just because you made such a cool advertisement for the machine. And I mean it the good way. No script just your honest opinion which your fans like in you!
You should do a video on endless dove tails with this !
Also...the horse shoe on your face...are we not going to talk about this? ;)
What if the area being hoged out is larger than the origin baseplate?
Just as if you’re using a regular router you’d need to attach a bigger base for more reference area.
"Ive never used it, but It's really cool!"
Very cool video; thanks for posting. Does it only come with one roll of domino tape? Is the tape reusable? What do they charge for more tape? Thanks.
That's a very expensive cut to make, if your using it as a table saw. I'll buy one if they come up with a handheld 3 axis
I was thinking this would be an awesome tool to put in the school maker space... then you said the price and I coughed up a lung. Was thinking it would be 1/10 that cost.
Thank you so much for this. You have done a magnificent job of explaining it and showing some of how it works. It looks very capable. Thanks.
Great video. Nice review on the Shaper. Beautiful desk too. Mahalo for sharing! : )
"X number of cases of beer" is now the standard measure for cost. Picciuto has spoken!
What kind of beer are we talking here though... I've got some stuff that's 20 bucks a case and some that's 200
@@featherorknot it's like bitcoin... You can count them but never really know the value of what you have 😉
@@ruudhooff6486 ...especially if it ages well!
Great demo, thanks! This video is 2 years old, so I don't know if I'll get any feedback; but I'm asking my question anyway: I'm currently starting out and haven't yet invested in any tools. Considering that I'll be getting a Hammer saw-shaper, do you think I could avoid buying a handheld router if I had a Shaper Origin?
Thanks! No, you'll still want a router for basic things like roundovers, chamfers and grooves.
It is great machine, but think cnc machine support to be just hit the start button then walk away and doing something else.
great vid, I bought one last year and havn't really used it yet but i'm more likely to now. thanks.
Yeah that would be an awesome tool for an inlay on wood floor
that’s an amazing machine.
the possibilities are endless.
what’s up with the walls in that room?
what kind of walls are in that room?
where do i find walls like that?
is that sound proofing?
what kind of walls are those?
cheers!
Would love to know!
Big veterinarian syringes used for cattle are cheap and handy for placing epoxy like that.
Awesome mate! Thanks!
I never knew this existed until I watched your video. So...Shaper has my money.
Calling a 2 year old system new tech is a little bit of a stretch. :P
But the software just updated 4 days ago. That’s pretty god damn new!
In the history of woodworking, it is still pretty new.
I saw a white stripes shirt so i clicked
Looked freaking awesome untill you poured in the blue epoxy ;D nice video nonetheless
Gotta say it still looks freaking awesome! 😁 Thanks!
the touch down does not read the heigth of the material but the depth at which the bit contacts the material..for this machine all material has the same heigth which is the top surface of the material..
Holy Cow, seen the price now? this thing is now $3500! Woah.
So much for hand made craftsmanship and skill.
You’re looking at it wrong!
Going full Ohio with that fu manchu... lol jk love ya Dave.
Awesome info, where did you bought the black design wall is nice .
I’m in Ohio
A pair of digital owl eyes permanently looking at you from the desk.
Dan thinks it looks like an elephant
Another thing that can break, more consumables.. No thanks
I have to make do with a rock.
Pretty beautiful job, dude! 😃
Seems to work great! It should be really useful to make MDF templates as well! 😃
Stay safe there! 🖖😊
Cool thanks
That has got to be the coolest thing I've seen in a long time...
Curious about the consumable, the tape. Can you take strip off and reuse it? And if not, whats the cost of a "cut" in tape. What about privacy, now your router knows exactly what you cut and when.
Notice : now owned by Festool.
The tape is only meant for one use. The adhesive balances holding down while you work but also coming off without reside. Folks have built some cool multi function jigs and plates that keep the tape from project to project.
Shaper has plans for a vertical workstation you can build (and they now sell a production version). Both don't require new tape. I built a vacuum hold down table I use that doesn't require new tape each time. I did a video about a year ago on my channel, if you are interested.
We have had our Origin over two years & are on our third roll of tape.
very cool, I could definitely use this to make cool wood signs.
Nice video, really shows where it could be useful. Still a bit pricey for specific uses. Any other CNC would do better for the rest
I seen these a few years ago, if I had the $$$ I'd buy one.
Wait a second, I think your friend killed Tony Stark's parents! 😳
“I’m not trying to talk you into buying this” too late I want one!
Have you tried a meat injector for epoxy? They sell them at dollar store might be worth trying for a buck.
Nice tip Dan.
yeah. such a cool concept but it's a skip from me.
Ok.
GR8 tool - nice inlay job too - Brad’s expo year idea was a good one. Can’t wait to see what else you do with it.
At 4:06 and a bit after I was immediately sold. I gotta get this now!
Thank you, David (and Dan)! I've seen lots of videos about the Shaper Origin. Until I saw your video, I didn't know what it was like to really use the thing. So thanks!
I want a Shaper Origin. But as you say, the price is high. It's even higher than some quality table, CNC machines that can do 3D carves (Origin does not do full, 3D relief carves). OTOH -- I don't have room for a CNC table. I'll probably get one, but I am waiting until I really need it for a project. Maybe I'll ask Santa.
It is true Origin doesn't do 3D relief cutting. I think Origin vs traditional cnc depends on the type of work you do. I think Shaper is more useful for joinery/furniture/woodworking tasks than a traditional cnc. If you want to do signs & carving, a traditional cnc is going to be more functional.
Beautiful results! Thanks for sharing the learning process! The blue epoxy accent is nice and the cake frosting trick is brilliant.