lol i mean to even suggest that Chris is in some way not 100% responsible, is egregious. Evaluating Shannan is fine, but irrelevant to who is guilty and by what percentage. I mean come on, give me a break, there isnt even a 0.0000001% chance NOR any evidence that Shannan might have done what Chris said
I think Chris Watts is 100% responsible for murdering all three. But, I could tell there was obviously something wrong with her and watching all those videos she posted made me cringe. I thought she had munchhausen by proxy. Those poor kids. I also think Nicole Kessinger had “issues” herself. All 3 adults were f*cked up.
@@thewkovacs316 yeah i know and i accept all the shit about Shannan that we've learned but she did NOT kill the kids. Period. I've heard the arguments they're ludicrous and laughable. Everything else about her? Sure, true. I don't think she had a lupus either I don't think she was ever diagnosed. All evidence points to Chris, if she did it he'd have stuck w his story and NOT STOMP THEM into an 8 inch hole in the oil tanks
The haunting part of this case is Shannan’s blind spot. She lacked awareness about reality. She was an idealist, perfectionist and was addicted to attention and looking good. Sadly this addiction clouded her judgment.
The worst was her efforts to be as little as possible around her children. She did terrible things to her children (sleeping arrangements, drugging, food and drink leverage to control them, exaggerating and lying about health issues, cutting the hair of Bella that wanted to have long hair on purpose, forcing her children to cooperate with her insane attention seeking phone madness, etc...) She really enjoyed their misery, especially Bella got the worst of her evil ways. The husband was raging inside and not man enough to stop her. The poor children are the only victims here.
@@cleopatra1633 The children are the only victims? Everyone that died that night of that "raging husband" is a victim! You don't get to kill someone because you don't agree with things they do. I had a "raging husband" at a time in my life. I asked then begged for him to go to anger management. He did for about 2 weeks. Obviously, he didn't change. He became a scary person at times. I knew what I had to do for my daughter (6 yrs) and my own safety. No, I didn't kill my daughter and then him. I hired an attorney and got out.
Chris told people that they were house poor. The payments on that house were keeping them living paycheck to paycheck. He said he didn't want the big house.
I always thought it was weird how you couldn't even tell Chris lived there if it weren't for the pictures he's in on the walls. You never see anything that is just his. Not even in the garage from what I could tell. There was no "man cave" in the house. I didn't notice any sport stuff or tools or anything in the garage. If there was it was all completely tucked away. I guess the closest thing would be some workout equipment in the basement, but not a single poster or piece of "guy-looking" artwork or anything that looked like it was just his alone and nobody else's. It's like he had no possessions or identity until he went out and found it somewhere else. Not excusing his behavior but it sure didn't seem healthy to me. Maybe he was totally cool with being such a tiny part of that family, until he decided he wasn't in the worst way. He only had a work vehicle that he wasn't even allowed to drive for anything but work, and it had to stay parked out on the street. It just didn't seem right.
@@tomlevi2106 Damn straight!! I'm willing to bet that CW may not be the father of CeCe and Nico!! What makes it strange to me was the sneaky way SW set up a reveal live. Listen to the way she isn't "So excited" to tell Chris about her being pregnant. Also, him requesting a paternity test because he had been seeing NK for longer than 6 weeks for damn sure.
Neither would you know there were children in the house. No pictures, no grubby fingerprints on the furniture, no kiddie art on the fridge door, no toys on the floor. While she had a walk in wardrobe with over 100 pairs of shoes, almost as many handbags, plus accessories he had nothing of himself in the house. I believe the reason was because she used all the money. She claimed to have sent mortgage payments to the wrong address. If that were the case they'd be returned, go stale, or you'd cancel them. Either way you'd still have the money unless you were ordering bulk product from your supplier, and paying for all the 'free' trips and gatherings given by the MLM. Years ago when this happened, someone found research showing that the average earnings from MLMs was around $4 per hour. She'd earn more than that working in a normal part time job somewhere. But Shannan had no skills, so she couldn't market herself. She found a cash cow (Chris) and milked it dry.
The irony of all those times, when she kept saying in fb videos, "chris is thriving" "we are thriving", thriving, thriving, all day, and in fact all their existance was like a sand castle, and nobody was even close to thrive. She seems histrionic to me too.
@@themadmattster9647MLMs are Not a business or a job, it's an investment that causes divorce and bankruptcy, which they filed for and were about to Again before the murders. That's what MLMs Do to people.
I found all of Shananne's social media videos interacting with the children or Chris uncomfortable and cringy to watch. I understand now after hearing your explanation it was because Shananne demonstrated the personality trait 'empathy impairment'.
I don’t understand why some people feel like it’s a sin or something to call someone out after their death. Yes, she and the kids were murdered, and I do not at all condone that. But to put her on a pedestal and act like she was some blameless saint just because she was murdered is just as wrong. Someone can get murdered and still have been a bitch in life.
Exactly, switch the genders and see how these Shenanigans bleat. They can't see deep enough to enjoy the research and the fact that there are always three sides to every story.
And all those models and influencers, and you are currently watching a UA-camr who may post daily as well? Or does it only count if you earn money? UA-cam Facebook, Twitter is full of of people. Have you ever considered, she may do this to let you know? I moved to another country and the reason I used social media was to show my family, that what often the only way they got to see their grandchildren go to school, and what not. We used to make picture albums, and keep track of every milestone in books, and now it’s just digitally, that’s all,
I used to by involved with thrive and it was taking my life away. Thank God I don’t do that again. I spend so much money and never made anything is all a lie
@@nidialeon5467 I got involved with Herbalife a long time ago, and saw that some were successful at building their downline. I always had a regular job, but still have an Herbalife membership because the protocol made me feel a lot better. If they go out of business I'll probably lose it : - )
@@nidialeon5467I was involved with Thrive just recently for a couple of weeks and mentioned to my promoter that it seemed like a cult. During the anniversary of the killings I listen to a lot of videos about Shanann and became alarmed if she was in my group and was friends with the same people I deal with. Including Nickole and Christina, her friend from Hawaii. I admire them both!
Jordan, I really respect you for taking a look at the traits of Shanann. Thanks for your presentation. There's a lot of people who think that a murder victim shouldn't be discussed. I think it's important to get some light on situations that are similar, and maybe they can get some help before another tragedy happens.❤.
You said she wasn’t grandiose but I have to disagree with you. Her whole life is grandiose. Her house, her luxury car (both of which were way over their heads) the way she bragged about Kant people think she had the best husband in the world. She was 100% grandiose with her down line that is a fact.
An important facet of mental health diagnostics is determining wether behaviors stem from external factors or internal factors. In this case, it is far more reasonable to conclude these behaviors were at the very least largely influenced by the training she received from the MLM, as well as by the socio-cultural context in general. It is far less reasonable to conclude this is necessarily evidence of internal pathology. However, I do think there is evidence Shanann’s personality was more susceptible to MLM influences than a control. This video is partly about identifying and studying that.
@@jordanhenshaw you can’t really diagnose her without actually examining her though. She was narcissistic before and maybe MLM brought out the sleeping monster in her because I’m sorry no she didn’t deserve to be murdered but all attention had to be on her. Everything in her life was a live. You yourself said it took you 57 hours of going through her posts.
My home is my sanctuary -- when I walk in, I expect an amount of privacy that I don't expect when I walk outside the door. My family is entitled to feel the same way. Some people say live social media is the "norm," and maybe that's true for you. But how hard is it to ask your family how they feel about being livestreamed to the world before you turn on the camera? It's easy to see that their girls were being raised that they cannot expect any privacy no matter where they were, and what's more, they were taught they had no power to create their own personal boundaries, even when their mother was being cruel to them -- and their father went along with it. The whole family's lives were one big social media show that SW directed, and nobody had a choice but to deal with it or face negative consequences. Breaks my heart. I like this video. Sometimes the truth is painful, but it's still the truth.
It's really sad to see that poor baby couldn’t even have long hair. It breaks my heart every time I see the photos/videos of her. And if anyone disagrees with what I'm saying, please let's not attack each other. Let's have a mature conversation and respect each other's opinions. Thank you!
@@AbsolutelyNot86 Yes. The hair. Poor Bella was given the same hairstyle as her dad. It was cruel. I wondered if it was because Shanann didn't like Bella's natural curls.
THAT'S what I think! I think SW had hated her own prone to curly...or as she put it ...frizzy hair and projected that onto poor Bella! Bella's hair would have beautiful had SW allowed it to grow into its natural curls and not cut off every time it started to curl!!!@@flowerjpotter1629
She did NOT deserve her fate of course BUT she must have been a pain to be married to. What husband wants his wife to put his whole life put on social media? What husband wants his wife to sign up to a MLM and payments on a Lotus and pretend it’s “a job”. What husband wants his wife to spend them into their SECOND bankruptcy ffs?! What husband wants to see his wife’s closet packed with expensive designer shoes that she never wears (she lived in the same old pair of sandals every day). What husband wants a wife who insists on having a third child when they couldn’t even afford to keep the first two? What husband wants a wife who videos her husband hearing the news that she is pregnant and puts that video on fb? (She made him repeat that scene several times, by the way, until he performed it to her satisfaction.). How abnormal is THAT? What husband wants a wife who makes him do all the housework and childcare after he has already done a day’s work? What husband wants a wife who is a hypochondriac and has munchausens by proxy and runs up huge medical bills? What husband wants a wife who packs her kids off to expensive private daily child care so she is free to spend all her time on fb? What husband wants a wife who forced him to propose marriage on video (and paid a professional photographer to film it). because proposing privately wasn’t good enough for her? What husband wants a wife who makes him give up his career in motors, which he loved, to work on an oil storage unit? What husband wants a wife who makes him to move to Colorado away from his own family? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩. Chris should never have married her in the first place. His mother was right about that.
Yeah Cindy was on to this spousal abuser from the start. The more you know about scam ann the more you can't trust her behaviors. She killed those little girls. Little doubt in my mind and those that have spent the time looking into her past behaviors.
I didn’t know about a few of the things you mentioned. You forgot to mention she embezzled money from one of her last jobs. I can’t remember where she was working at that time.
I had a friend like Shanann, always big groups of people around her, I am more of a quiet person and someone who likes to have the company of one or two friends, but this friend of mine drove me crazy, always on the phone, distracted, self-promoting, insatiable need to be liked, hordes of people around her, it was very strange -when I did catch her alone, she seemed very uneasy like she had to unload her list of recent accomplishments upon me. Anyhow, she’s older now, like almost 60 and she just completely burned herself out. I honestly don’t know where she is or what she’s doing. It’s so much work to be with a person like that. There is absolutely NO excuse for killing another human being but I see videos of Chris Watts talking and he is like the complete and polar opposite of what Shanann was. It can be so difficult for an introverted person to be around someone who is highly emotional and “on” all the time.
@RachaelNelson-bj3ku like all the legumes, soybean oil and tree nuts in those stupid ass overpriced empty pretend nutrition bars shannann was on live feeding her girls. Everything in Shannon's was made up and Chris was stupid and became violent. Poor girls two wretched parents
You could've summed this all up by saying "I had a friend like Shan'ann and I was so jealous I'd never accomplish as much as she did in her life. So much so, I still talk about her years later..."
@@quester09 Yet it's difficult to figure that he played with the kids, sold his Mustang for her Lexus leased MLM car, cleaned the house, worked a real job, and was never known to denigrate her publicly, even though he did become a deranged murderer. Facts are facts, quester. On his side (for a second), people should always look closely at the fiance's failed marriages prior to becoming that deeply involved.
The babyWise treatment is so abhorrent. Then when older locked them in blacked out rooms for 16+ hours. Put them in "school" they could not afford, all day, with their father fetching them after his work day. He was responsible for them when they were at home. They would be fed, given "yucky" a bath and locked in their bedrooms at 6-630pm with night vision camera monitors. Terrible mother but no excuse for murder.
It is insane to me that just bc someone is dead you have to regard them as a saint. She absolutely DID NOT deserve to be murdered. Absolutely not. And Chris watts is at fault. Did shanaan have some issues? Obvi yes.
@@pchaparalahow is she being bashed? Her behavior that she put online had some interesting behaviors that some want to analyze. It’s horrible what happened to her and she did not deserve what that selfish monster did.
She uploaded her life on the public forum. Therefore, the public gets to have an opinion. I’d be surprised how often this woman told on herself in every upload
People who are saying that we are blaming the victim blah blah blah….So we are not allowed to give our opinion about this person? She was murdered. Just because someone is murdered doesn’t make them a saint. She was quite the opposite actually.
Well said. I said the same thing at the time and was abused left, right, and centre for it. I believe she was a seriously flawed individual whose only talent was subterfuge.
I think she was a control freak and she emotionally abused her husband and her children. I wish he would have just left and not murdered his wife and children.
@@jordanhenshawshe would have never let him go. Because that would cause her to lose these things that she loves so much. I explained this to my wife. She finally gets it. He couldn’t have made it more clear he wanted to leave. And with NK pushing and pushing and pushing I don’t see much other outcomes to this story besides precisely what happened. And he is weak enough and desperate enough to let it happen and even do it himself
@@jordanhenshaw She was away for 5-6 weeks along with the children. Do not tell me he had no opportunity to leave. He didn't want to face the consequences of leaving, which no doubt, she would have made public, and as painful and intolerable for him as humanly possible.
The first couple of minutes of this video mischaracterizes why people suspected Chris Watts. The problem with his behavior wasn't that he seemed to be hiding something. Rather, it was that he showed zero concern for the people that he claimed to be missing. It was stark obvious from his body language and behavior that he didn't give a crap at all about his wife and kid's being gone (dead). That is the point. It's not about "hiding something", though it was also partially that as well. In fact, Watts doesn't even come across in the aftemath videos as someone who is possibly in a state of shock or trauma. There was absolutely nothing even remotely indicative of trauma in his demeanour. He just seemed like a guy who was happy and relieved but trying not to show it. He radiated a pleasant and sarcastic mood that was utterly incongruous with his overt claims or even his phony initial confession.
You don’t consider “Nothing even feels real right now, this all seems like a dream” to be at all consistent with shock from trauma? He said this in the media interview.
@@jordanhenshaw I'm sorry that you took the time to make this. Please find something more worthwhile to do. Just a suggestion. Obviously, I can't tell you what to do, however.
She was a victim of an MLM just like tons of other people. They end up spending more than they make and most end up in financial trouble because of it.
@@Liz_H9319 I think that was the only so called "job" she could pretend to do. She wouldn't take orders from anyone or thought she was too important to do an "hourly" job.
This is true she didn't make a dime she drove them onto financial disaster just as had previously done in her own life, that's why her name wasn't on that mortgage in Colorado.
I love how her brother comes on videos to comment about "you people need to stop your lies! My sister carried that family financially! She made twice as much as Chris and was great at investing. They were not in debt! U people don't know what ur talking about and need to stop spreading lies!!!" 🤦♀️
SW definitely drew attention to her appearance. "don't mind me I'm a hot mess" 'I don't care how I look" these are things women say when they are trying to draw attention or compliments from men or women. You better count that trait in.
I get what your saying the end result was the same. If SW was insecure she was still seeking attention by the look at me, my appearance is bad thing . She really enjoyed compliments . It's not always a bad thing. Just something I noticed people do when needing to have attention. CWa ex girlfriend before Shannon did an interview awhile back. She said if Shanann wasn't told by people around her how good she looked SW would cut them out of CWs life. CW hugged a friends wife in greeting once. SW forbid CW from talking to his friend or friends wife. Extremely insecure needing to be the center.
I saw a video that was filmed on Christmas Eve. Chris dressed up as Santa Claus. Neither one of the little girls wanted to go into the front room and see Santa and get a gift. The littlest one was screaming her head off. Bella, was saying she didn't want to go. Neither one of the little girls wanted to open a gift. Even with Cee Cee screaming, Shanann continued to take video. So bizarre to me that she would take video of that! She made them go into the front room of the house. Bella was near tears. She was told to open her gift. She was quite unhappy and whining. Cee Cee had been bawling. They didn't seem happy with the water bottles or slippers they got. It made me thing something was going on in that house. I have never seen children so unhappy on Christmas. Why? What happened when the camera was not on? Other videos, it seemed like she told the little girls to act a certain way and say things she told them to. Like when she announced her pregnancy. She had the little girls say, "Yay!" It seemed so forced - like they were acting for the camera. When Chris came in and she told him she was pregnant he seemed to be acting. He said, "That's awesome". It seemed SO FAKE!!
Right.....Chris' 'that's awesome' was almost like he vomited it out of his mouth. He knew they could not afford another mouth to feed. The way she treated those little girls, I shudder to think when a little boy came along how the girls would really be ignored.
That video you describe literally haunted me. It was SO cringeworthy and clearly revealed how manipulative and controlling, and mentally disturbed Shanaan was. Her social media posts reveal that Shanaan did not care about those dear little girls. The fact that Shanaan even published that video screams mental illness or pure evil. Cici was terrified of "Santa Clause", screaming and crying and Shanaan with that smirk on her face, following her around, all the while with the camera pointed at her own face.
Three monsters lived in that house SW, Chris and the MLM company. Poor babies, especially Bella the way SW treated her was irredeemable. Chris deserves to rot in a cell, however, his attorneys could have probably mounted a viable temporary insanity defense. Living with SW and that unrelenting MLM and her phone recording every second of the staged day. So sad.
Maybe he did not realize he was being abused, to start with then you have to prove it, and PROVE IT well. I know, I have been there, but he did not see/realize/ or perhaps did not want to admit what was going on. It is a process. That is why women do not just get up and leave immediately.
@@gregthomas2448 Agree, but the catalyst was SW, IMO. And had CW figured things out sooner, only then could he have brought temp insanity to the table. He just gave up. I do not understand WHY the girls had to go too. That is the shame of it all, aside from them being abused by HER. On another note though, no one REALLY knows CW's personality type, and I doubt if we ever will. He can stay where he is at, but I wonder where he'd be today had he married someone else.
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern salient points, I agree. I don’t think he was a born killer. I really don’t. I think he was weak. I don’t pretend to know the answers and I’m not a clinical psychologist however, I’m just say’n the guy lost it. His family his friends even NK I would have hoped they would tell him. Get a divorce, it will be bad, you will be ok. Just such a sad ending. I also agree taking the girls remains unexplained to me. That one haunts, because I’m not sure we know the truth.
She contributed to that only source of income being Chris. The girls were in daycare all day, she could have done Thrive on the side and worked a regular 9 to 5, even part time. Thrive was her 6th or 7th attempt MLM business making and each one had failed. In fact..my parents used to do Amway, which is one of the MLM companies Shanann was in before Thrive. My parents lost everything attempting to get their business off the ground. She chose over and over again to try to get MLMs to work for her when they take more money from you than they put in your wallet. I've seen that first hand with my own parents. On top of the failed MLMs and her not wanting to work a regular job, she constantly traveled. She portrayed herself a certain way online as far as her financial status that did not reflect reality. They couldn't afford the house. They couldn't afford her car she drove, they were in staggering amounts of debt that ranged from the medical bills and credit card debt. She had around 37,000 worth of unused MLM products in their basement collecting dust. She insisted on Bella and Cece attending a daycare that cost around 550$ per week..over 25,000$ per year. Just on daycare. Cece was not preschool age yet..there was less expensive options. I'm not saying she deserved any of this, but her spending and portraying an affluent lifestyle while in staggering amounts of debt was part of the huge problems going on in that house. You can't spend like that and live like that without a plan B, especially when they already filed for bankruptcy in 2015 and it was almost 500,000$ worth of debt. She desperately needed help..her spending habits were out of control. She wouldn't have been in such a difficult position without Chris, had she learned better spending habits, downsizing home, downsizing daycare costs, etc. You can't have a spending addiction and being mostly dependent on a spouse while in serious amounts of debt. It should NOT have ended in tragedy, but she was financially abusing him and any type of scenario like this, it almost always ends in divorce.
Since she was a stay-at-home mom and that was the reason why she said she was doing it mln so that she could be home with her children why would she have them in a daycare all day long that cost more than any other daycare in their area? The only thing that makes sense is why she had them in daycare is cuz she couldn't be around them by the courts
A lot of ppl live their lives on camera.....and, THEY don't murder!!! THIS is ridiculous! Sha'nann & her beautiful children did NOT deserve this BC of that monster having an affair & NOT having the courage to face the truth & facts!!! He should've filed for divorce & been done! Now he messed up his life & ALL of the families involved! Such a tragedy & heinous crime! RIP Shannan, her beautiful children & her family!! ❤❤❤
And a lot of people DON’T live their lives on camera, and have no desire to. Nobody said it’s an excuse for murder. But, in a case like this, it’s certainly prudent to look at everything going in their lives. Things build up over time and it’s hard to tell who can handle it and who can’t.
@@dwightrenfield2241 no they don't..most of us would have said please turn the Camera off..l didn't say it wasn't a Horrific thing to do.. didn't say he wasn't a Monster.. didn't say he was right either..he deserves to be where he is...he should have left..not killed his Family
She had Nicole Atkinson she had the friend from Hawaii i think her name is Christina who she knew for years that came an stayed with her to help her after her neck surgery she also had Cassie they were all close friends you see how much they all cared for each other.
I can not believe people think she was an angel. Urgh. I could see right through her in thr Netflix Doc. She financially abused chris as well as emotional abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if she hit him too.
@@RK-vf4mo It’s not all that relevant. He’s still a disgusting monster and those documentaries are specifically about what he done, not what she done. People argue ‘well that pushed him.’ No. Nothing could push a father to murder his kids. Yeah she could’ve been a bitch but he was demonic.
I keep saying this. Parents need to learn and education on personality disorders should be part of school curriculum for students and for parents. People do not know that this is so prevalent in people. There wasn't allot of education and information on this for the boomer generation, nor gen X. But for Millennials and Gen Z, there is finally a ton of education and information on Personality Disorders.
The science is still very new and when doctors diagnose patients they're still assessing traits and assigning them to a possible diagnosis, essentially guessing. There's no definitive way to diagnose any personality order.
But personality disorders are often caused BY poor parenting. Not always. But very, very often. Most people with NPD have been parented by people with NPD. People with BPD have usually been sexually abused, sometimes by a family member, and/or parented by someone with Cluster B Personality Disorder. I agree with your sentiment, but I think there should be specialist mental health workers in all schools to spot children who are being abused and neglected. No point in educating the parents who are actually doing it. They won't care.
MBP is what my understanding of her. She was abusive to both the girls and CW, he got sick of the charade, met NK, and his eyes opened up that there was a different lifestyle out there. He crawled out from under her thumb.
@@Girl-101 That may be true. Chris was not sufficiently developed, but neither was SW. We all need to grow, but both of them needed a whole lot more growing to do in order to be in a healthy relationship. SW seized everyone's space, and Chris never learned to claim his personal space. That he found relief with NK says a lot about the bondage he was in with SW.
NK was a narcissist herself. So, even if he hadn’t killed his family, he’d it still would have been “from the frying pan into the fire”. Chris sure knew how to pick ‘em.
CW should have been the one getting notifications every time SW spent money especially since it was HIS paycheck that was contributing to that account while her MLM and her overspending was sucking it dry
Agree, she controlled everything Chris should have checked out years ago I think when he met Nicky he suddenly realised that not all women were so controlling .....something he previously felt was normal with Shannon !
@@johanrahan3189 Nicky as you call her was putting a front on as well. She would have continued until she totally snagged him. She too was an alpha female so CW’s must have liked bossy women. I do believe NK was involved in the murders in the Watt’s home. It’s a shame there wasn’t a trial bc so much more of the truth would have come out with more investigation. Nate the neighbours camera was evident there was so much more.
@@sandrabreedlove3661 Shan’ann was all over the 65.00 he spent bc she was highly suspicious of him having an affair. She knew by that amt.he was. We will never know now if CW’s handled $$ any better.
@@TEBme-sf1itI believe it’s possible Chris called her for help that’s why NK had text him if you did something you’re going to ruin my life and yours….. I think 🤔 it’s possible SW erased her kids and herself or Chris did it after seeing on monitor. However after looking @discovery something pops out and changes my mind it bizarre case for sur…. I do believe Chris could’ve been set up it’s possible w all of the pathetic laziness LE does it sure possible
SW commented many times about she herself being the fiery one and chalked it up to her Italian heritage. While CW was go with the flow. He upset her once, and she put him out of the house for the night. He did his best to never put himself there again. At all costs.
That was before they were married. If she was so terrible then why did he marry her? It is all hearsay and from his point of view and he has already shown himself to be a liar on many occasions.
@teresasis6980 a passive person find themselves walking on eggshells so not to upset a more controlling partner. Even if that happened before they were wed, he had likely been doing his best to not upset her and suffer the consequences. It's a deep psychological issue he had with women in his life taking control. He was fine with it until he wasn't. And it took yet another controlling persuasive woman yo point out to him that he was under the thumb, so to speak of his financial and emotional abuser. SW had said in the days before her expiration that she never thought about how some of her words and actions make him feel, as a man. Emasculated and powerless.
@@jaimhaas5170 stealing 80% of the family's income for an MLM or day care you DONT NEED? why does a stay at home mom need daycare when their mortgage is unpaid? classic narc behavior.
@@BluffCreekStudio the example of it go on and on with this woman. Her mother is the same way. The name change...the nut gate...the demand to drive a lexus....over and over..
Shannan’s had plenty of MLM friends and it doesn’t mean she had a lot of personal friends prior to joining the company . I think she wasn’t good at managing money .she appears to have a dominating personality and things have to go her way . She never deserve to die though , especially her daughters . RIP
@@jaimhaas5170 The FBI mentioned her monthly deliveries of packages and hair care products that were billed to CW's account etc etc. He had no idea. He stupidly trusted her.
Right. No one ever ever says she deserved it. The pint is she is not a saint or a martyr, and she is a high level Narc who tortured her kids and her husband, even if said husband is a pos.
Jordan, my friend, I have watched most of your videos w/o commenting. Your analysis of this case, specifically Shannon, is what everyone needs to hear. You do a phenomenal job with this case that I've admired from afar! Thank you for sharing, dude.
@@TheSfennif someone with the training analyzed this case , they would come to the same conclusions. This was a toxic relationship, leading to disaster for everyone concerned. I am convinced Chris jumped out of the frying pan into the fire by taking up with NK. The question is , would he have later on felt he needed to get rid of her too?
Bravo!! I lived in Watts Island for a couple years (name given to those of us who were obsessed over this case) and I can tell you that Chris Watts had ASPERGER SYNDROME. If you take a deep dive and go back over his ENTIRE life you will find a very clear picture of a man on the high functioning spectrum. Social awkwardness, shy, quiet, highly intelligent, obsessive tendencies, lack of GENUINE emotional attachment, lack of empathy, poor communication skills, etc. The FBI stated several times that Chris Watts DID NOT fit any of their normal profiles, so no, he is not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist. He doesn’t fit ANY of those. I have been screaming this since the case started, and most ppl called me crazy. Then little by little as Chris just didn’t fit the narrative some were laying out…….I did have MANY who finally came to my corner. In fact, the family has felt for a couple or so years now that Chris has Asperger Syndrome. The rest of your analysis on Shannan Watts is SPOT ON! It’s very hard to present this truth because you get called a victim basher and they just don’t realize that in reality……dead people don’t automatically become saints. So BRAVO on a job WELL DONE!!
Yeah none of those things you mentioned point to any mental health disorder like ASD. Social awkwardness is not clinically relevant, shyness is not clinically relevant, quietness is not clinically relevant, obsessive tendencies-I don't know what you mean by that, lack of genuine emotional attachment-again I don't think that actually means anything, lack of empathy-I don't think there's any evidence of substantive empathy impairment, and poor communication skills-I don't even know where you got that from. There was a claim made by his sister about his behavior in early childhood that pointed specifically in the direction of ASD (restricted range of interests, extreme difficulty socializing about anything not directly related to the primary fixation of interest), but wore off and frankly isn't enough to even suggest ASD formally-not without much more information. People WAYYYY overestimate their ability to pick out ASD in the wild. People think it's this fairly common, general trait that's easy to identify in the rough. It isn't . It's a very distinct cluster of behavioral patterns. 90% of the traits laypeople attribute to ASD are not ASD. Most of the traits turn out to be introversion, poor social conditioning in childhood (NOT necessarily evidence of a disorder), and masculinity.
@@jordanhenshaw My ex husband has AS, and I’ve worked with children on the professional level with various disorders including AS for about a decade now. I also spearhead a county community “workshop” for those on the high functioning end of the spectrum (AS technically has been deleted on the professional realm) and their families. I was asked to help this group get started by the therapist that my ex husband and I used. He is a specialist in adult AS and helps with (marriage, family)issues. I KNOW what AS looks like, and my OPINION is that Chris Watts fits the bill. You can disagree if you’d like….that doesn’t bother me. I’m not going to waste my time debating a janitor when I work with adults and children with AS, and I LIVED with it for 10 yrs, as well as work alongside an adult AS specialist. Realistically, neither you nor I can 100% say that he does or doesn’t have AS. I could dive into any one of your claims that I have wrong about Chris and various AS traits that I believe are there, but you aren’t worth it. You are far too argumentative to your viewers and you seem to like being a smart a__s. I thank you for your ever so kind reply. Have a great day!
@@reneesantiago6496 Yeah most of the traits you mentioned are not clinical symptoms of anything and the ones you did list that could be clinical traits are not based in evidence we have of Chris, and the other ones are so far removed from being professional discourse that I have no idea what on earth you’re even getting at. It doesn’t matter if you are or are not a layperson or if you do or don’t have status or experience. If you say dumb stuff, you’re saying dumb stuff.
@@jordanhenshaw The evidence that I have to form my opinion on Chris’s clinical traits is from watching every single video and piece of footage out there of CW. I closely watched him alone, with friends, with co workers, and especially with his family. I listened to every single interview that pertained to Chris. AS is not as complicated and rare as you seem to think. In fact, some researchers feel that it’s possible our brains (especially males) are starting to slowly evolve into more and more AS (spectrum) traits. High functioning autism is actually a wider net than you seem to understand. A person who has AS isn’t necessarily going to stick out like a sore thumb. I may have watered down the AS traits that I see, but watered down or described out more professionally……it doesn’t change the fact that CW most definitely has “some” AS traits. I’ve already been down this road HARD, and studied CW alongside professionals that I work with in this field. Though of course, I’m not 100% diagnosing him. What I am saying is that the traits I see most definitely are enough for him to get a proper professional evaluation. I stand strong that Chris is not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist (possibly a bit inward, but nothing outward) If I would have come across you about 4 yrs ago I’d be up for a full out debate…….but I have no desire to return to Watts Island. So we can agree to disagree.
@@reneesantiago6496 difficulty understanding facial expressions Difficulty with figurative language Repetitive stemming behaviors Low tolerance for rough textures in clothing Restricted range of interests Tendency to hyper-fixate to the point of not being aware of surroundings This is the ASD profile. It’s distinct. Notice social awkwardness, shyness, introversion is not in that list. To nail down ASD you need direct evidence of many of those distinct patterns. Not a qualia you subjectively deem to smell like ASD (or AS if you’re trying to lower the standards). Lower the standards or not, it doesn’t matter. Chris is the wrong shape. Honestly it’s dumb to call it AS because the word spectrum is still in ASD. Stripping the D because you don’t think it’s a disorder is silly. It is. That’s why it’s defined in a diagnostic manual. People seriously struggle with this stuff. It’s not a difference in preference. It’s inability.
She was not only demeaning to CW and the kids she was also cruel to Dieter she put him in a shirt sleeve and filmed him struggling to get out Damn animal abuser..🤬
I found the Christmas vlog where Chris was dressed up as Santa was really disturbing The kids were frieked out !!Children want to imagine Santa and all its mystery not have him suddenly turn up at home .She could see they were upset and forced them to sit on "santas" knee for a happy families photo .
When she mocks her daughters for being upset it’s so disgusting. She was a BULLY. Before all these diagnoses these types of people were called bullies. Anyone who would deliberately hurt their kids feelings is a pos. And for the people who say oh you didn’t know her blah blah blah. No and I’m glad I didn’t.
I thought I watched all of the videos. The videos I saw she was being loving and warm to her children. Would you be able to post a link for me to see which one that you’re referring to if you have time thanks.
That's the main point to me. As you said, she DELIBERATELY hurt people. She felt power in doing so and she was never going to give that power up. She "thrived" on it and projected an air of superiority. She had to make everyone feel small around her. Chris realized this, especially after the Nutgate drama. She pushed him and kept pushing until he could find no other way but to strike out at her.
Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives!
We know for sure that he murdered his children. The idea of Shanann murdering the kids was implanted in his mind by the CBI agent Tammy to get him to confess something! Chris at the time immediately denied Shanann did anything until the very end when he knew he was caught. You should know better than this. Additionally, he confessed to the murders even about Bella asking him “are you going to do the same thing to me you did to Cece”. The law enforcement, DA, etc., investigated this on top of Chris’s full second confession in prison March 2029. Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives! Why did he murder the kids? Let’s forget Shanann for a second! It’s not like he just murdered his “narcissistic” wife because he snapped! He brutally murdered his children and all this after several months of having an affair! He even stated this in the second prison interview that if he had never met NK his family would still be alive! What’s wrong with you people?
Wow... thank you for this. Society acts like objective analysis of a victim is equivalent to murdering them again. This case both fascinates and horrifies me because I, too, believe I have histrionic personality disorder that has become more manageable as I have aged. I am very happily married now, but it is my FOURTH marriage. Any of the other three marriages could have ended like the Watts marriage, and I feel blessed beyond measure that I never quite pushed any husband that far.
Being angry and shouting and cursing make people hate you .. but that does not mean you deserve to be killed!! Many people are angry and loose their temper but we try to avoid them when they are at this mood.. or if we cannot take any more we leave them for ever.. not kill them?
@user-pj6vr8xe5r that comment was in response to the woman who was hating on Shan'ann and admitting to being impossible to live with, as she was on her 4th marriage and was saying how glad she was none of her husbands killed her instead of leaving. Hence "at least you admit you're impossible to live with "...🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
She was vain. Always taking pictures of herself. I think because she was so insecure with herself, she felt the need to be validated by people commenting on her pics/posts.
I always felt she was insecure because she admitted she struggled through school where Chris one time got it so I always felt she would make him feel inadequate to secure her own issues here !!!!
Who gives a shit if she was vain? Again, Chris Watts could have left her. This isn't rocket science. My ex wife wasn't vain. We just got married too young and didn't get along so I left. Crazy right? I didn't murder her and our 2 kids. Amazing that you can actually move on from a partner without murdering them and the kids, huh?
When I first started watching UA-cam in April 2019 the Chris Watts case was the very first thing I watched. This is because I started on a site called Documentary Heaven where I picked True Crime as the genre I wanted to watch and the Documentary called "Missing" was what I watched, which was the Chris Watts case. I then spent 2 full years following the case and NOTHING else on UA-cam for that time. I know the case inside out. I have always wanted to know more about Shan'ann and there really hasn't been much out there apart from her own home videos she posted on Facebook. I really enjoy fresh information on the case. Thank you!
I have also waited for people to come forth to offer insight into Shanann, both from her previous life as well as her life with Chris, I had been impossible to gather information on her because anyone posting anything is quickly accused of victim bashing. I feel to understand this case the investigation has to start years before the event, probably as far back as early childhood. It might even be necessary to look at the parents. Since the crime of family slayer is still fairly new, the profile is still in its infancy. The profiler needs all the help available to them. This category of killer needs guidelines in order to recognize him/her BEFORE the crime occurs. I’m
@@pipermccoolOMG, YES!! People seem to push the narrative that Shannon was a saint!🙄 She wasn't. If they'd open their damn eyes when watching her videos, they'd see it. Her poor kids were hardly ever in a good mood, but she insisted on filming them. And you can see how she would berate her p.o.s. husband. She was a real piece of work!! I know I'd never be friends with someone like that. I just wouldn't be able to deal with her. The thing is, people are quick to come at you if you mention any of that. Like "so she caused her own death?!?" They say. NO ONE SAID THAT! But she didn't help herself by her actions. But whatever. 😐
@@duraniegal79 Good to know I’m not alone in my objectivity! As if changing your name to “Shan’ann” isn’t narcissistic. If you haven’t, you might want to check out “Did Shannan Watts have Munchausen by Proxy?”
According to one interview of someone who knew Shannon, she would say things that indicated that she was grandiose and felt better than others. If a ‘friend’ lived in a modest home, as that is what many of us buy in order to live within our means, she would comment negatively to and about that person. It’s clear she believed she was entitled to buy the largest newest home/mansion, within ‘reason.’ She used embezzled Dirty South funds to buy her first mansion and then fled out of state to buy her second mansion, which she couldn’t afford so only chris’ name was listed on the deed! Who pulls that crap but a grandiose personality ?
It was obvious that shannon was obsessed with appearances by all accounts. She even performed a makeup tutorial for the world to see how she drew on her question-mark-shaped eyebrows. So not sure why this dood couldn’t figure that one out. Shannon’s life was one big theatrical show. She also spent thousands on brandname and MLM clothing and shoes for herself. Spent a lot on stuffing Chris’ and girls’ huge closets with her cutesy T-shirts and everything else a person could possibly wear. Shannon’s health claims baffled me. I’m very familiar with fibromyalgia and she did not ACT as though she had FMD but at times she SPOKE like she had FMD. My guess is Shannon memorized a real patient’s script and spoke those words in order to make people believe her story to sell thrive and garner sympathy and attention. There is no way that thrive eradicated her FMD. There is no cure for FMD. Part of the issue is that persons with FMD are actually very sick behind closed doors and very inactive due to the disease, but the few times we go out we put on a show that we are normal-looking. Because behind the scenes it is difficult for us to perform self-care, let alone get out of bed to toilet or take a shower! I personally don’t think it was possible for her to be as active as she was and to be diagnosed with FMD. It is a crippling disease and a lot of patients cannot work, let alone maintain a pristine mansion and run after two/three little babies! You should really see the unkempt state of my humble ranch house right now! :-( I’m less familiar with lupus but know it is deadly and affects the organs. Patients have lots of tests, followup appointments, medications, failing organs, etc. Shannon never spoke of any of these aspects of these debilitating and complex disorders, and thrive is not a cure for lupus! I had never heard of a parent just arbitrarily handing out Benadryl to their children on the regular in efforts to get them to sleep. That sounds like dangerous and terrible parenting. We cannot know what medical problems any of these people actually suffered from and what they were diagnosed with. That is why the fact there was no trial is such a miscarriage of justice because there are so many unanswered questions, NK and anyone else involved are not investigated even a little bit, all confidential files on the minor children are permanently sealed, and shannon’s health records are permanently sealed! We will never know what tests were ran on the girls and for what reason, test results, and anything else. I hope one day soon reopening the watts case is warranted and the actual truth of this mysterious case is revealed! NK is involved to some extent, and her father should be charged as well with obstruction of justice.
@@user-lv4ok9vo5o She would see some illness on TV then pronounce she suffered from it. The detectives mentioned this. I think they knew SW killed the girls. Something off when CW went from desiring full trial then suddenly plea'd the thing out.
@@user-lv4ok9vo5o Thank you for that very articulate and accurate explanation of Fibro. I have it along with CFIDS and that is my experience, exactly. I do think that Shannan used illnesses in herself and her children as another means of attention supply. She absolutely was the narcissist in the relationship. It seems as though Nichole is a narcissist as well…so maybe Chris is just drawn to that type. I absolutely agree that NK was not investigated as she should have been and I truly hope this case is reopened for that fact alone. I had a theory that NK was actually the doer and CW knew he would be blamed anyway…and may have been threatened..or parents threatened…so he protected her…and took the fall. It is also very shady that Dwayne Kessenger was allowed to have such a big voice in that interview. He needs to be investigated also.
Shanann pushed Chris away, at first, because she didn’t like the way he looked on Facebook. Notice how she quickly engulfed him when he reflected her self love back to her and was able to meet her needs. She was very quickly hyper focused on his family and elevated them to demons, when they were the most ordinary of people. My opinion on Chris’s feelings towards her, I think she spent the early relationship and marriage trying to force him to feel more towards her than he did. She was his ‘favourite person’ until she wasn’t.
I think she had a touch of a fictitious disorder. Surgery, medicines, etc etc. at autopsy no signs of any of the claims. What happened was unspeakable but I wish people would be honest. This didn’t happen in a vacuum.
Should of walked out leaving Shannon setting in her palace it wasn't no one but hers never cared if anyone had a place to stay as long she could profile look at me
he even didnt have a Car,only Work Truck and he wasnt alowed to put a Nail in the Wall of her House.He never fight back but inside it ws boiling i think,Thrive also let him come,out of his Shell,.
Shanann was a typical Histrionic. Very jealous of Jamies kids and the attention they got from grandparents. Im sure she did flirt, alot and dress provocatively on her Thrive getways. Always tons of makeup too. She was very aware of her appearance claiming "im a hot mess, dont mind me". Not a statement needed. She was very shallow in her Thrive schpiels using one or two words only to explain products. "Super excited, amazing" but with little emotion while saying these things repeatedly. And she made a big deal of how close she was with her friends. Facebook give notice of birthdays and because she got lots of messages, it doesn't mean those people adore you, but she thought so. One "friend"in a documentary thought Chris Miller was her husband! And Nicole Atkinson and her were not as besty friends as they appeared. These "close friends " were more aquaintances through her MLMs. Flying off the handle as seen in Nutgate, one great example of her exaggerated emotions. I would definitely place SW in the category of Hystionic with a ton of magical thinking. Life was going down hill fast for her and she wasnt even in tune with the disaster that lay ahead. Murder or not.
Good observations. I found Shanaan's home videos cringe-worthy and VERY telling..... She was a narcissist and abused those children medically and emotionally. Too many people are brainwashed and elevate her to sainthood status only because she's dead.
MLM has NOTHING to do with the IGNORANCE!!!…of a “person” or “people” such as Christopher Watts and what he and his Demonic s l u t side piece did!!! Nor did The Thrive product and/or anything other than HIS OWN personal demons and narcissistic behavior (that all stemmed from childhood and being “raised,” by his , “parents,” -especially his “Mama” Mrs. Cindy Watts!-thank you very much!) and this… “person” making this video😂 is a total tool, probably related to the Watts and probably has already committed things beyond Chris!! 🧐Perhaps they can share a cell together as I’m sure they would love to get to know each other closely!🥰🤪 I mean, just listen to him, then look at him and then RUN FAR, RUN FAST!!! AND THEN RUN EVEN FASTER! OMG narrator dude! -drink some water so you can stop 🤢🤮smacking, un-sticking, your lips as you try to speak and spew this nonsense! OMG QUIT GULPING YOUR SALIVA!!!!!!!! It’s making me need to throw up. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮 Get off of UA-cam. You should not be publicly speaking! Anywhere! Ever! This is not the place for you to practice your, “speeches“🤢especially spewing the BS you’re spewing! oh my gosh it’s like a triple vomit session!! Go do something else-you’re not good at this!! and 🤔how many monsters have you met???? Please do tell?? Cause you seem to “know” so much about them!! is it when you look in the mirror 😵 it’s obvious you do not know ANYTHING about this case or this family!! how dare you?!?!?! watch out honey, karma is a bitch!… oh you’ve met her?!?😂
Jordan I appreciate you incite but I'm not sure if shanann had that many followers for her vids before she was murdered. It's been reported that people would unfollow her on fb because she was so annoying and posting nonstop.
I am SO HAPPY you made this video, Jordan. People automatically think just because she was horrifically murdered she was perfect in life and Chris is a monster.
The watts family will love it you have played right into their hands and this analysis certainly takes the focus off their murdering son.. this is a joke!
I agree with you. Some comments on this video demonstrate what you're stating. No one is saying that what happened to her was right or deserved. But with these people canonizing her, no one can even state the facts about who this woman was in real life. Smh
Chris IS a monster, regardless of her own obvious mental issues. If you think a man who killed his pregnant wife and children is a victim, you should probably get help as well. Egghead is a monster and it seems that some need constant reminder.
The Recovering Hunbot on You Tube did an amazing job explaining Shanann's involvement with Thrive. It a two part series, but it goes into 3 other episodes going into the MLM/Thrive behavior. Great job. I recommend those episode from her.
Shannon also “admitted” to having lupus, fibromyalgia and any other difficult to diagnose or confirm illness. Admitted the same for her kids, projected a certain lifestyle and image which was a complete sham, used any and every situation to hawk thrive as a “cure” for the various assortment of maladies from which she complained. Dr shopped, embezzled money, continuously used the children as a wedge between herself and in-laws, isolated Chris from his family, removed any and every evidence of any of his likes and hobbies…. Shall I go on? I believe Chris as much as I believe Shannon.
He said what he said for a reason. I think he was covering for Nichole….and may have even had his family threatened….so he took the fall because he knew his life would be over anyway.
I went to high school with her. She had no friends simply because she thought she was better than everyone. Very privledged. She was the type that would talk shit about anyone and everyone.
Did she fool around with the drama teacher? He was reprimanded for spending so much time with her alone. He was told to cut it out, or get a witness in the room with them. Just wondering about that. Your the first person I have heard from who knew her from way back. Did you also know Chris Miller
Thank you for making this. There's another UA-camr ("Dreading") who posted a video series about the Watts murders. He portrays Shanaan Watts as the consummate business woman and home-maker, awarding her sainthood status by implying she walks on water. Meanwhile, he criticizes Cindi Watts, stirring up angst against Chris's family members. Reading the comments underneath his videos on this case is disturbing. He may have even blocked me for challenging his opinion. That is why I appreciate your honest and thorough work on this case. You present facts and are more believable. Personally, I believe all true crime channels should encourage their viewers to refrain from attacking family members of perpetrators and victims of crimes because all of those people are suffering beyond what most of us can imagine. They don't need any additional contributions to the shock, PTSD, and grief they are most likely experiencing.
I pin top dissenting comments to the top. I checked the guy out, seems to mean well at first glance, but there’s not a lot of critical thinking. Key requirement for reaching actual truth in these matters is to withhold all judgment, observe, observe, observe, and then use extensive research into various seemingly unrelated fields to try to apply well-known models that explain all observations-especially the strangest ones-and then try to prove the theory wrong, refine the theory, and hopefully at some point be able to declare that you can’t prove your theory wrong. Many channels on here go the dollar store route by skipping many of those steps (sone of those steps are ALWAYS skipped). Every detail of all of those steps is important. Since the actual fact of most cases will never be known, people develop overinflated confidence in being wrong since it’s not like MMA where if you suck, you get knocked out. Here, the ability to empirically test actual accuracy is very limited. It’s a bit of Dunning Kruger paired with extremely unreliable feedback/inability of failures to become obvious.
@@jordanhenshaw Thank you for your reply, and that you took the time to check out Dreading. He puts out a significant quantity of videos , so he probably has to take the dollar store route you describe. I enjoyed his work in the past and thought he had a great narration voice, but strongly disagree with his opinion on the Broderick and Watts cases. He presents his opinions as if they are facts, as well which is problematic. I appreciate your attention to detail and thoroughness. Your sincerity, honesty and kindness are evident.
@@cindychamness5713 anyone that believes this guy is telling the "real" story, c"mon he is a joke!! I'm not saying that Shanann was perfect but that family did not deserve what happened to them. That piece of garbage of a so called father put both kids in tanks of oil because he didn't know what else to do and then denied about their whereabouts. But, I guess its easier to believe that Shanann crawled out of her shallow grave and did that, SMDH
WOW great one! He is NO professional for sure! The people that believe his crap are wacka doodles that have not read and studied the case! Hey Mr. Genius saw your doodles your phyc.degrees! It's sad that such n
@@fadfudge4719 You can glean much of it from the interviews that were done by the CBI. Several talked about her earlier days and also about how she claimed to have every illness she saw presented on TV. She was a very disturbed woman.
There’s videos of her kids trying not to puke while she forced them to pretend they like those absolutely disgusting bone dry nasty food bars she made everyone eat. Poor Bella was almost to the point of puking and even tried to hide and spit it out while she made them pretend they liked it. It made me sick to watch it
@@laur131306 no and Chris even said he has only seen photos of the rash never in person. I don’t think Cindy was convinced she had it either what do you think?
@brodyrichard263 it's complete speculation on my part, but I think Cindy was starting to get suspicious about the kids and her supposed illnesses and how SW was treating those innocent babies. I think that's why SW didn't want cindy around them. Cindy enabled Chris too much,but I absolutely believe she loved those babies.
@@laur131306 I agree with that and also somebody actually did the work to compare how many post she made about the kids being sick whenever she had family living there with them versus when it was just her Chris and the kids and there’s basically no sickness or any allergies reported when she had people there ..kind of makes you think
You sir, are 1 billion percent correct. She was a bully and endlessly treated him like a two year old. I have a sister who treats her husband the exact same way. It makes me sick to my stomach. The entire family sees it and have for more the 25 years. We don’t even like being in public with them because of the way she treats him. And sadly he just takes it. I will never understand how some people don’t value themselves enough to understand that we only have one life and they deserve better. It’s also taken me 50 years to understand that most relationships are not at all about true love. Most are about needs and circumstances that have absolutely nothing to do with feelings for another human being. For the record i grew up with 5 older sisters so believe me when i say i can see a crazy woman a million miles away. 😅
The woman lost her life with an unborn child inside her,along with her 2 gorgeous little daughters. She was dumped into the ground in a very inhuman way. Do you think it’s a nice comment for you to make in that manner about her? You didn’t know her. I also grew up with 5 older sisters, But that reason alone would not give me the right to judge a woman who was murdered by the one man she trusted with her life and her children’s!
@@natalieflanagan175 Shanann's instinct was to push Chris away when they first started dating. Then two children later she said she didn't feel safe with Chris but still went back to Colorado to work on their marriage. She knew that it was likely he was cheating because of the large bill on their credit card. If only she listened to her instinct, and stayed in North Carolina with her family she would be alive today.
natalieflanagan175 No one is denying that what happened to her was 100% wrong. She did not deserve that. But that doesn't take away from what was true about her personality. She was not a saint. Stop canonizing her.
@@user-vz3fh6oj7d EXACTLY! SW was a very, very Abusive spouse to Chris, and imo was also abusive towards her girls and other family members. SW treated Chris like absolute garbage. She was financially abusive, verbally abusive, and much more. NO she did NOT deserve to ever get killed! And those babies who were 110% innocent never deserved to be killed either. However, I can absolutely see how CW snapped on his wife. The girls IMO were NOT harmed by CW, but I fully believe that CW’s first confession was true. SW was NOT a good mother, and obviously couldn’t even take the time to be interested in being a mother bc she put them in daycare all week while she was at home doing NOTHING! Not to mention the nightly doses of drugs she gave them to make them sleep at 6:30 pm every night. And the many, many unnecessary medical issues she made up and forced onto the girls. Imo, SW would be way more likely to harm the girls than CW would’ve.
I’m wondering what you think of Shanann and her having Munchausen/Munchausen by proxy? I’d love to have your take on it. She was CONSTANTLY subjecting both her girls and herself to different physicians for a large variety of health issues because she would doctor shop if the girls weren’t diagnosed with what she thought was their problem. She even said openly she would take the girls doctor to doctor until she got the diagnosis she wants. She also subjected the girls to unnecessary ER visits, as well as unnecessary thyroid blood tests in what she suggested was an attempt to figure out why the girls had such thin hair. Also, in the autopsy Shanann had not one of the conditions she claimed to have had. No lupus, endometriosis, gestational diabetes, none of it. As far as her not having NPD, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of her not being grandiose. She asserted her grandiosity over Chris and Chris alone because she could. She knew he would take it with no backlash from him. She demeaned him and insulted his intelligence publicly. She wouldn’t allow him to manage his own money because she thought he was too stupid and she was better but in reality it was to keep it a secret. She wouldn’t let him see his family because they could never do anything right, she was safer, smarter, and a better parent than any of them. She was wholly self serving and that in itself makes her way of thinking grandiose. In addition to that, her MLM affiliations appear to show a degree of grandiosity too. Many of the women “under” her within the company are simply not comparable in physical appearance and/or socioeconomic status, at least on its surface. For example, Nichole Adkinson, the friend that alerted police. MLMs historically target women in vulnerable situations. Struggling single mothers, young college students, single women, women unhappy in their career…people of that nature. In order to target someone one sees as vulnerable, there has to be a level of grandiosity there. Shanann targeted women that wanted to look and live like her. Shanann was not a good person at all. I’m not going to give the blanket disclaimer about blaming anyone other than Chris here either. For 3.5 years anyone emotionally invested in this case has wanted to know why, and Shanann is the why. It’s not her fault but she is solely the reason he did what he did. They had deep rooted marital problems and he hated her because she was who she was and he was who he was. Then the idiot thought he was in love after 8 weeks and snapped because he hated living in his marriage. My personal opinion is that he killed the girls because they walked in on him. Unfortunately, he’s a liar and/or only has the capacity to tell people what he thinks they want to hear versus the truth.
I’m not sure if any of those conditions would have shown up in an autopsy. Furthermore, clinicians often misdiagnose. A lot of the stuff you’re mentioning about grandiosity is better explained by the socio-cultural context than by intrinsic pathology. For the same reason, we don’t diagnose tons of celebrities with NPD, despite the fact that so many meet the clinical criteria. Her antagonism towards Chris was factored in.
@@jordanhenshaw yes they would show up at autopsy that is how they were able to say she did not have the diseases she claimed she had...for example lupus they look at skin as there will be sugns and organs and it was noted she was healthy and no autoimmune disease( which is what lupus is) she was a liar
@@jordanhenshaw no, she was never diagnosed with lupus that was just another of her many lies. You should know literally everything about scam'snn was either fake or a lie including that ridiculous pronunciation of her name...it was really just shannon. The truth was not within this scammer.
Several different versions, too, isn't it funny how certain subsets of people CHOOSE to believe the most lurid, awful, & ridiculous version imaginable? He admitted he's a liar- why do you believe him?
@@voluntaryismistheanswer because its logical. Hence why that was the final word being taken. Whats the alternative? I dont plan on questioning this for the next 20 years like you people obviously want to.
@@Wanda7051 the woman who locked two girls in their rooms with no water for 14 hours would have a far less time killing them than the only parent who EVER cared for them.
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern NEEKS PEEKS does a fantastic job combing through the vast mountains of video footage in a way that sheds light on all of the glaring red flags that were hiding in plain sight all along.
Bang on point and that’s why true crime Chanel’s can’t get to the bottom of this case and never will .. Chris is the only one who could ever let the cat out the bag period
I really enjoyed your analysis. There was though an instance of physical abuse by Shannon towards Chris. Early in the relationship she didn’t get her way she put hands on him pushed & shoved him out the front door, locked him out & made him stay outside all night in the cold without a coat. Shannon said he learned after that.
Yes, he said in his letters for the book, if he had left after their conversation, she would have changed the locks . He wouldn’t have been able to get back in the house. He mentioned the time she put him out overnight. He was a true believer of SHANANN’s power. Of course , the situation was different then it was in NC. In CO Chris owned the house. He could have legally made her let him in or get out of the house. In NC she owned the house , he was a visitor.
This astrologer breaks down their relationship between the two of them in a compatibility chart I think it's really accurate. ua-cam.com/video/h-l0g4PHdEI/v-deo.html
She acted more like a mean older teenage sister than a mother towards those girls. I don't understand why she wanted to have kids since they annoyed her
What an awful thing to say !!And Chris was a brilliant father he had to break there f......bones to get them into that oil hatch there skin was hanging off when they were found .Bella begged and said no daddy before he took the life out of her -WTF .
@@deborahmaycock2184 This a very sad case, but what broken bones ? Any case where a body is left in liquid can cause a skin slippage. It's not an unusual feature at all. It's just another fact from the morgue that in many cases that the general population doesn't often get to hear about. But what is unusual was their marriage, and the way this case was treated by law enforcement and the DA.
Where have you been? Your insights have been greatly needed in the discussion of this case. Much over due! Thank you so much. I have enjoyed your videos tremendously. Low on emotion, high on facts.
@@Tia-Louisa Another triggered Shiner will do. Most of them know very little objectively about the case, but can be activated by anything that doesnt jibe with “St Shannon”
I have seen Shannan's videos and I did not like how conceited she was behind that smile. Even worse, the way she controls her daughters was not nice at all... She was very neurotic, so that explains she had a perfect match with Chris...for a few years..m
Great and insightful video. Don’t let the hate comments influence your content in the future. They refuse to critically think because of strong emotional ties to this case.
Excellent video! This is one of the most complex murders in recent times with no simple explanation. I think your analysis of Shanann is spot on. I will never be convinced Thrive did not play a huge part in this.
After years of being perplexed by this case and going deep into the rabbit hole on it, I must admit: Between the doctored discovery, Chris’s refusal to ever say what really happened, and my own examination of what’s available to us regarding Shannan, I have come to my own conclusion that the most likely scenario is filicide, and subsequent suicide or murder, and Chris (along with the Weld county DA and others) is covering for it and will carry it to his grave. If you allow yourself the option to entertain the possibility, then so many aspects of the entire thing begin to make sense. A terrible tragedy for all.
I've come to the same conclusion. I think it was Shannan who strangled the girls. I think that's why she didn't fight back when he was strangling her. MBP ups the odds of being unalived by a parent. Also, she was in a desperate situation. The facade she had carefully curated was crumbling.
She suffocated and abused him and their kids completely in life so he snapped. No excuse for what he did but it is what it is and both families and their friends should have stepped up. Textbook toxic co-dependent situation and ALL the people surrounding them let them down by being complacent. I hope those friends and family feel bad for this.
@Vicksons_gone_coastal "The truth and reality" is CW didn't "snap" that Sociopath by his own admission multiple times for the legal record stated, he premeditated her death. There is no evidence at all she suffocated and abused him or their babies. Your opinion and perception are *not* FACTS. What a crock of crap. That whole thing was started years ago by CW twisted parents to help get him a 35c which never happened. Stop blaming the *victim* Chris Watts premeditated his 3 babies' deaths, too, and also carried them out. They did nothing to him except loved, adored and trusted him. Their existence, didn't fit in his plan to have a new life with another woman. CW was happy in his marriage until, he met his raunchy 2nd fiddle mistress, NK. Again, by his own admittance for the legal record. NK was the catalyst, and CW was/is the quadruble murderer. The Watts should have "stepped up" and got their only son the help he needed from a very young age when he stated, he knew he was different from EVERYONE else around him and he would also, lock himself up in their bathroom for hours at a time constantly growing up BEGGING GOD to forgive him of the *sins he committed* What sins???.. CW would never tell his own mother what they were & she was "complacent" and did *nothing* at all to find out what all Chris committed repeatedly, that he had to beg forgiveness from God. His dad was "complacent" and didn't even bother to ask him at all. He was way too busy spending the family money on co~caine and doing who knows what else. "The truth and reality" is, Shanann *didn't* cause her own murder. It's a proven scientific fact, The human brain is fully developed and formed by the age of 25. Proving, CW was already a sociopathic evil monster with a mask plastered on his face way *BEFORE* he even met Shanann. Nothing she ever did caused him to do what he did. Nothing. I stand on what I said, "Oh just stop it"
Chris said she would always resort to threatening him when she didnt get her way and he would relent. I used to not believe him when he said she threatened to never let him see the kids again if he left her but now im not so sure. He didnt want to be in the many videos she took of the family especially the baby reveal video but if you tried to tell her anything that went against what she wanted she would always get angry.
My opinion is that CW wasn’t very experienced with the opposite sex. When he got together with SW, he was punching well above his waist. “Look at me. I’m capable of bagging a looker”. She liked him because when she wanted him to jump, his response was “how high”. I’m sure his earning capabilities were a major attraction for SW too. He was tied to his life through debt and fear of the unknown. SW stepped up her controlling behaviour of CW when he started to lose weight. She couldn’t control other women showing him interest. Most married men stray because they want something that they aren’t getting at home. Tenderness and real affection. He was comfortable lying to SW and NK because let’s face it, his home life was a living lie. False, awkward smiles for Facebook. Forced family activities. Everything they did together felt unnatural. As for SW and her supposed health issues. I have no time for sympathy seekers. I haven’t been able to hug my Lupus suffering friend for nearly 3 years due to Covid. Hearing SW spew her lies about the condition really boils my piss.
We know for sure that he murdered his children. The idea of Shanann murdering the kids was implanted in his mind by the CBI agent Tammy to get him to confess something! Chris at the time immediately denied Shanann did anything until the very end when he knew he was caught. You should know better than this. Additionally, he confessed to the murders even about Bella asking him “are you going to do the same thing to me you did to Cece”. The law enforcement, DA, etc., investigated this on top of Chris’s full second confession in prison March 2019. Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives! Why did he murder the kids? Let’s forget Shanann for a second! It’s not like he just murdered his “narcissistic” wife because he snapped! He brutally murdered his children and all this after several months of having an affair! He even stated this in the second prison interview that if he had never met NK his family would still be alive! What’s wrong with you people?
@@linseyanne5975 Why didn't she land someone with a better earning capacity then?..He was making 20K more at the dealership than at the oil company. She told him to quit the higher paying job..She divorced her husband who was an attorney..You think landing a man with a stable steady job and good medical insurance is easy?... Actually, she could have attained a steady stable job herself, but she did not want to work
Idk… all I know is that she treated her husband like shit… you could see it on camera .. every time he said something she would ignore him or make some sort of cut down remark. Chris was wrong for killing her and the kids but I truly believe he snapped .
What happened it’s terrible and sad. It no matter what she did or not. That was a very horrible relationship and he should of had left her, but who knows what was in both of their minds:
Nidialeon, humor me! Why should he have been the one to leave? He had a job He earned money He owned the home. The Lexus was in his name and therefore his. She did nothing but make insipid videos all day long sitting on her immobile derriere. She's not the one who took care of the littles. I believe she could've done that from a little efficiency apartment. Why should he have left HIS home? Very eager for your input on this! 💜
Brave how? This mook focused on Shannan's "issues." You know what most husbands who aren't psychopaths do if they can't live with their wives "issues?" They fuckin divorce them. Move on. Pay child support and see their kids every other weekend or whatever. They don't kill the wife and the 3 kids. Sheesh. This shit isn't rocket science.
When I saw her unilaterally decide they were gonna have a third child despite crippling debt and live stream his response I thought "no, I don't think this woman is a nice person"
She didn't make them all by herself. There is a procedure for men too. Just like he had the option to divorce, he chose to murder his entire family! I know lots of men and women that ignore their children, aren't engaged with their children's activities, because their faces are buried in their phone screen! Y'all are hanging this 1 woman as it she is the only one doing that! Yes, there are many women AND men who don't deserve the children they are blessed with. There are women that have baby after baby with different fathers and some are abandoned by BOTH parents. There are so many family dynamics that exist in this fast world that wants to go faster and faster and still it isn't fast enough. I'm gonna ask any one of you from who made the original comment or anyone that replied to it, do you see anything in your life that could use some improvement? What about in yourself? How you treat others, Do you look at people in public and when you see someone unique, you criticize their hair, clothes, make-up, tattoos etc... Y'all, no matter how this woman lived her life, do you believe she deserved to die because of it? If she hadn't been murdered by her husband along with their beautiful babies, would you even have known who she was?
Wow, phenomenal video!!!!! You are saying things that have been on my mind for over 4 years!! I commend you for this content, please keep them coming 👍
Excellent and well thought out video!! I couldn't agree more. Thank you for stating the truth rather than go with the narrative as my others do. Thank you again for this! Great job!
lol i mean to even suggest that Chris is in some way not 100% responsible, is egregious. Evaluating Shannan is fine, but irrelevant to who is guilty and by what percentage. I mean come on, give me a break, there isnt even a 0.0000001% chance NOR any evidence that Shannan might have done what Chris said
I think Chris Watts is 100% responsible for murdering all three. But, I could tell there was obviously something wrong with her and watching all those videos she posted made me cringe. I thought she had munchhausen by proxy. Those poor kids. I also think Nicole Kessinger had “issues” herself. All 3 adults were f*cked up.
actually, had chris not snapped, there is a good chance that shanaan wouldve been arrested for medical child abuse
@@thewkovacs316 yeah i know and i accept all the shit about Shannan that we've learned but she did NOT kill the kids. Period. I've heard the arguments they're ludicrous and laughable. Everything else about her? Sure, true. I don't think she had a lupus either I don't think she was ever diagnosed. All evidence points to Chris, if she did it he'd have stuck w his story and NOT STOMP THEM into an 8 inch hole in the oil tanks
@@thewkovacs316 agree
@@thewkovacs316 People with no history of anger or abuse don’t snap. People with a history of both anger and abuse can.
Giant house they couldn't afford
It was all one big show, produced by Shannan.
That’s literally everyone who doesn’t live in an Amazon box these days.
@@ElaineDavis-t6d- meaning what? She and her kids should have been murdered and dumped like animals? You make me sick.
@@Shelsight you make me vomit witch
@ of course not. You make me even sicker
The haunting part of this case is Shannan’s blind spot. She lacked awareness about reality. She was an idealist, perfectionist and was addicted to attention and looking good. Sadly this addiction clouded her judgment.
Underrated comment. Very well said.
The worst was her efforts to be as little as possible around her children. She did terrible things to her children (sleeping arrangements, drugging, food and drink leverage to control them, exaggerating and lying about health issues, cutting the hair of Bella that wanted to have long hair on purpose, forcing her children to cooperate with her insane attention seeking phone madness, etc...) She really enjoyed their misery, especially Bella got the worst of her evil ways. The husband was raging inside and not man enough to stop her. The poor children are the only victims here.
@@cleopatra1633 The children are the only victims? Everyone that died that night of that "raging husband" is a victim! You don't get to kill someone because you don't agree with things they do. I had a "raging husband" at a time in my life. I asked then begged for him to go to anger management. He did for about 2 weeks. Obviously, he didn't change. He became a scary person at times. I knew what I had to do for my daughter (6 yrs) and my own safety. No, I didn't kill my daughter and then him. I hired an attorney and got out.
In Shanann's "blind spot" was also the 10 month affair that Chris had with another man....
@@TEXASGAL4HIMfirst time I’ve heard of this. Source please
Chris told people that they were house poor. The payments on that house were keeping them living paycheck to paycheck. He said he didn't want the big house.
She spent money they didn't have everyday ,had a job that actually cost money
Traveling is what it's called
I think she was bipolar, hypo manic much of the time. Pressured speech, excessive spending, flight of ideas. These are all bipolar symptoms
“A job”.
Who cares she was murdered, quit judging 😮
@@yogabee2222 it’s called discussion, free speech.
I always thought it was weird how you couldn't even tell Chris lived there if it weren't for the pictures he's in on the walls. You never see anything that is just his. Not even in the garage from what I could tell. There was no "man cave" in the house. I didn't notice any sport stuff or tools or anything in the garage. If there was it was all completely tucked away. I guess the closest thing would be some workout equipment in the basement, but not a single poster or piece of "guy-looking" artwork or anything that looked like it was just his alone and nobody else's. It's like he had no possessions or identity until he went out and found it somewhere else. Not excusing his behavior but it sure didn't seem healthy to me. Maybe he was totally cool with being such a tiny part of that family, until he decided he wasn't in the worst way. He only had a work vehicle that he wasn't even allowed to drive for anything but work, and it had to stay parked out on the street. It just didn't seem right.
I was going through some older stuff on the Watts case, and your comment is a Great one.
He wasn't even allowed to take part in naming his children. Not even his unborn son. He was completely controlled and emasculated.
@@tomlevi2106 Damn straight!! I'm willing to bet that CW may not be the father of CeCe and Nico!!
What makes it strange to me was the sneaky way SW set up a reveal live. Listen to the way she isn't "So excited" to tell Chris about her being pregnant. Also, him requesting a paternity test because he had been seeing NK for longer than 6 weeks for damn sure.
Neither would you know there were children in the house. No pictures, no grubby fingerprints on the furniture, no kiddie art on the fridge door, no toys on the floor. While she had a walk in wardrobe with over 100 pairs of shoes, almost as many handbags, plus accessories he had nothing of himself in the house. I believe the reason was because she used all the money. She claimed to have sent mortgage payments to the wrong address. If that were the case they'd be returned, go stale, or you'd cancel them. Either way you'd still have the money unless you were ordering bulk product from your supplier, and paying for all the 'free' trips and gatherings given by the MLM. Years ago when this happened, someone found research showing that the average earnings from MLMs was around $4 per hour. She'd earn more than that working in a normal part time job somewhere. But Shannan had no skills, so she couldn't market herself. She found a cash cow (Chris) and milked it dry.
The irony of all those times, when she kept saying in fb videos, "chris is thriving" "we are thriving", thriving, thriving, all day, and in fact all their existance was like a sand castle, and nobody was even close to thrive. She seems histrionic to me too.
Well it was partly because she was in business
Thriving badly on those pills and patches.
She gave her kids Thrive bars (with nuts) on camera of course and Thrive is Not recommended for children period. Pathetic.
@@themadmattster9647MLMs are Not a business or a job, it's an investment that causes divorce and bankruptcy, which they filed for and were about to Again before the murders. That's what MLMs Do to people.
Thrive was the company she worked for. It was a MLM
Her obsession with Facebook was too much. Nobody wants to be filmed all day long
Part of her job
@@ishtarbabylon4869 don't people usually make money if they have a job? She didn't make any at all.
@@ishtarbabylon4869 And? It was vomit-inducing to watch and hear all that "say hi".
She was obsessed.
@@ishtarbabylon4869as what a hun bot?
Your obsession with her …
I found all of Shananne's social media videos interacting with the children or Chris uncomfortable and cringy to watch. I understand now after hearing your explanation it was because Shananne demonstrated the personality trait 'empathy impairment'.
I think you open yourself up to being judged when you have a public online presence
I don’t understand why some people feel like it’s a sin or something to call someone out after their death. Yes, she and the kids were murdered, and I do not at all condone that. But to put her on a pedestal and act like she was some blameless saint just because she was murdered is just as wrong. Someone can get murdered and still have been a bitch in life.
Exactly, switch the genders and see how these Shenanigans bleat. They can't see deep enough to enjoy the research and the fact that there are always three sides to every story.
I couldn't agree more! It's sickening how so many have her on a pedestal like she was the greatest person to ever walk this planet.
@@deb3670like the Shiners.
Evil person is simply evil ded or alive
I think because we don’t know what happens after death. Could the person haunt you?
My friends daughter is constantly posting all of her life on FB. I think it means something is lacking in your life
Definitely.
And all those models and influencers, and you are currently watching a UA-camr who may post daily as well? Or does it only count if you earn money? UA-cam Facebook, Twitter is full of of people. Have you ever considered, she may do this to let you know? I moved to another country and the reason I used social media was to show my family, that what often the only way they got to see their grandchildren go to school, and what not. We used to make picture albums, and keep track of every milestone in books, and now it’s just digitally, that’s all,
Ya her husband was a weakling.
@@helenaterschegget8791you do know those sites are monetized right?
@@tracyrey8327 not every poster is monetized
Working in a MLM is like being in a cult. I speak from experience. I am not as driven as Shannan was so never fell into it as hard as she did.
I used to by involved with thrive and it was taking my life away. Thank God I don’t do that again. I spend so much money and never made anything is all a lie
@@nidialeon5467 I got involved with Herbalife a long time ago, and saw that some were successful at building their downline. I always had a regular job, but still have an Herbalife membership because the protocol made me feel a lot better. If they go out of business I'll probably lose it : - )
@@nidialeon5467I was involved with Thrive just recently for a couple of weeks and mentioned to my promoter that it seemed like a cult. During the anniversary of the killings I listen to a lot of videos about Shanann and became alarmed if she was in my group and was friends with the same people I deal with. Including Nickole and Christina, her friend from Hawaii. I admire them both!
LD$/FLD$/RLD$ > mormons
@@Mrs.Robinsons The LDS is church and many members belong to mlms but the Watts weren't LDS.
Jordan, I really respect you for taking a look at the traits of Shanann. Thanks for your presentation. There's a lot of people who think that a murder victim shouldn't be discussed. I think it's important to get some light on situations that are similar, and maybe they can get some help before another tragedy happens.❤.
You said she wasn’t grandiose but I have to disagree with you. Her whole life is grandiose. Her house, her luxury car (both of which were way over their heads) the way she bragged about
Kant people think she had the best husband in the world. She was 100% grandiose with her down line that is a fact.
An important facet of mental health diagnostics is determining wether behaviors stem from external factors or internal factors. In this case, it is far more reasonable to conclude these behaviors were at the very least largely influenced by the training she received from the MLM, as well as by the socio-cultural context in general. It is far less reasonable to conclude this is necessarily evidence of internal pathology. However, I do think there is evidence Shanann’s personality was more susceptible to MLM influences than a control. This video is partly about identifying and studying that.
@@jordanhenshaw you can’t really diagnose her without actually examining her though. She was narcissistic before and maybe MLM brought out the sleeping monster in her because I’m sorry no she didn’t deserve to be murdered but all attention had to be on her. Everything in her life was a live. You yourself said it took you 57 hours of going through her posts.
@@deloreslate4028 Sure you can. But I didn't.
@@jordanhenshaw not if you are a reputable mental health worker.
Do you have a link to her bragging about her house and car? I've never seen that.
My home is my sanctuary -- when I walk in, I expect an amount of privacy that I don't expect when I walk outside the door. My family is entitled to feel the same way. Some people say live social media is the "norm," and maybe that's true for you. But how hard is it to ask your family how they feel about being livestreamed to the world before you turn on the camera? It's easy to see that their girls were being raised that they cannot expect any privacy no matter where they were, and what's more, they were taught they had no power to create their own personal boundaries, even when their mother was being cruel to them -- and their father went along with it. The whole family's lives were one big social media show that SW directed, and nobody had a choice but to deal with it or face negative consequences. Breaks my heart. I like this video. Sometimes the truth is painful, but it's still the truth.
I couldn't have said it better than that @suerhoades5779
Poor Bella couldn't even sit on the toilet or go to the doctor or even eat without a camera in her face
It's really sad to see that poor baby couldn’t even have long hair. It breaks my heart every time I see the photos/videos of her. And if anyone disagrees with what I'm saying, please let's not attack each other. Let's have a mature conversation and respect each other's opinions. Thank you!
@@AbsolutelyNot86
Yes. The hair.
Poor Bella was given the same hairstyle as her dad.
It was cruel.
I wondered if it was because Shanann didn't like Bella's natural curls.
THAT'S what I think! I think SW had hated her own prone to curly...or as she put it ...frizzy hair and projected that onto poor Bella! Bella's hair would have beautiful had SW allowed it to grow into its natural curls and not cut off every time it started to curl!!!@@flowerjpotter1629
She did NOT deserve her fate of course BUT she must have been a pain to be married to. What husband wants his wife to put his whole life put on social media? What husband wants his wife to sign up to a MLM and payments on a Lotus and pretend it’s “a job”. What husband wants his wife to spend them into their SECOND bankruptcy ffs?! What husband wants to see his wife’s closet packed with expensive designer shoes that she never wears (she lived in the same old pair of sandals every day). What husband wants a wife who insists on having a third child when they couldn’t even afford to keep the first two? What husband wants a wife who videos her husband hearing the news that she is pregnant and puts that video on fb? (She made him repeat that scene several times, by the way, until he performed it to her satisfaction.). How abnormal is THAT? What husband wants a wife who makes him do all the housework and childcare after he has already done a day’s work? What husband wants a wife who is a hypochondriac and has munchausens by proxy and runs up huge medical bills? What husband wants a wife who packs her kids off to expensive private daily child care so she is free to spend all her time on fb? What husband wants a wife who forced him to propose marriage on video (and paid a professional photographer to film it). because proposing privately wasn’t good enough for her? What husband wants a wife who makes him give up his career in motors, which he loved, to work on an oil storage unit? What husband wants a wife who makes him to move to Colorado away from his own family? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩. Chris should never have married her in the first place. His mother was right about that.
Yeah Cindy was on to this spousal abuser from the start. The more you know about scam ann the more you can't trust her behaviors. She killed those little girls. Little doubt in my mind and those that have spent the time looking into her past behaviors.
I didn’t know about a few of the things you mentioned. You forgot to mention she embezzled money from one of her last jobs. I can’t remember where she was working at that time.
Isolating your victim is part of the grand narc's plan. SW fit that to a tee.
@@myraclayton1860you two need a life! What husband wants a wife that is obsessed and hates a murdered wife?
@myraclayton1860 Dirty South
I had a friend like Shanann, always big groups of people around her, I am more of a quiet person and someone who likes to have the company of one or two friends, but this friend of mine drove me crazy, always on the phone, distracted, self-promoting, insatiable need to be liked, hordes of people around her, it was very strange -when I did catch her alone, she seemed very uneasy like she had to unload her list of recent accomplishments upon me. Anyhow, she’s older now, like almost 60 and she just completely burned herself out. I honestly don’t know where she is or what she’s doing. It’s so much work to be with a person like that. There is absolutely NO excuse for killing another human being but I see videos of Chris Watts talking and he is like the complete and polar opposite of what Shanann was. It can be so difficult for an introverted person to be around someone who is highly emotional and “on” all the time.
I was a bit like sha'nann and what you say is true including burning myself out
I'm one who would not allow my kids
To be around Cindy, Ronnie , Jamie
Cause of the whole nut deal .
And you probably drove her crazy! Js
@RachaelNelson-bj3ku like all the legumes, soybean oil and tree nuts in those stupid ass overpriced empty pretend nutrition bars shannann was on live feeding her girls. Everything in Shannon's was made up and Chris was stupid and became violent. Poor girls two wretched parents
You could've summed this all up by saying "I had a friend like Shan'ann and I was so jealous I'd never accomplish as much as she did in her life. So much so, I still talk about her years later..."
I think her story about how she tried to ''push him away'' when they first started dating was an exaggeration or a lie
Yup. To inflate her ego talking about how hard he pursued her.
Yep
I doubt that he'd pursue his hat if it blew off his head.
He was kind of a nothing.
I think he wasnt her type but went with it because he persisted
@@quester09 Yet it's difficult to figure that he played with the kids, sold his Mustang for her Lexus leased MLM car, cleaned the house, worked a real job, and was never known to denigrate her publicly, even though he did become a deranged murderer. Facts are facts, quester. On his side (for a second), people should always look closely at the fiance's failed marriages prior to becoming that deeply involved.
I personally know for a fact she hired cleaning companies to clean her house or made Chris clean and care for the kids. Plus her extreme with babywise
The babyWise treatment is so abhorrent. Then when older locked them in blacked out rooms for 16+ hours. Put them in "school" they could not afford, all day, with their father fetching them after his work day. He was responsible for them when they were at home. They would be fed, given "yucky" a bath and locked in their bedrooms at 6-630pm with night vision camera monitors. Terrible mother but no excuse for murder.
No you don’t, “personally know for a fact”…or you would have certains. You are some sad nasty people!
@@GusMac-kv7zi
No one said it was an excuse for murder. Of course the harpies will attack if you don’t state that 😂
It is insane to me that just bc someone is dead you have to regard them as a saint. She absolutely DID NOT deserve to be murdered. Absolutely not. And Chris watts is at fault. Did shanaan have some issues? Obvi yes.
she wasn’t a saint but she doesn’t deserved to be bashed and trashed either, let her rest in peace, sheesh
@@pchaparalahow is she being bashed? Her behavior that she put online had some interesting behaviors that some want to analyze. It’s horrible what happened to her and she did not deserve what that selfish monster did.
She uploaded her life on the public forum. Therefore, the public gets to have an opinion.
I’d be surprised how often this woman told on herself in every upload
People who are saying that we are blaming the victim blah blah blah….So we are not allowed to give our opinion about this person? She was murdered. Just because someone is murdered doesn’t make them a saint. She was quite the opposite actually.
you are so delusional
Well said. I said the same thing at the time and was abused left, right, and centre for it. I believe she was a seriously flawed individual whose only talent was subterfuge.
I think she was a control freak and she emotionally abused her husband and her children. I wish he would have just left and not murdered his wife and children.
He tried to. She didn’t let him.
@@jordanhenshawshe would have never let him go. Because that would cause her to lose these things that she loves so much. I explained this to my wife. She finally gets it. He couldn’t have made it more clear he wanted to leave. And with NK pushing and pushing and pushing I don’t see much other outcomes to this story besides precisely what happened. And he is weak enough and desperate enough to let it happen and even do it himself
@@brodyrichard263 Do what himself?
@@jordanhenshaw She was away for 5-6 weeks along with the children. Do not tell me he had no opportunity to leave. He didn't want to face the consequences of leaving, which no doubt, she would have made public, and as painful and intolerable for him as humanly possible.
@@srsly5570she was a sick lady who definitely would have made his life even more unbearable if he left
The first couple of minutes of this video mischaracterizes why people suspected Chris Watts. The problem with his behavior wasn't that he seemed to be hiding something. Rather, it was that he showed zero concern for the people that he claimed to be missing. It was stark obvious from his body language and behavior that he didn't give a crap at all about his wife and kid's being gone (dead). That is the point. It's not about "hiding something", though it was also partially that as well.
In fact, Watts doesn't even come across in the aftemath videos as someone who is possibly in a state of shock or trauma. There was absolutely nothing even remotely indicative of trauma in his demeanour. He just seemed like a guy who was happy and relieved but trying not to show it. He radiated a pleasant and sarcastic mood that was utterly incongruous with his overt claims or even his phony initial confession.
You don’t consider “Nothing even feels real right now, this all seems like a dream” to be at all consistent with shock from trauma? He said this in the media interview.
You can't be serious? @@jordanhenshaw
@@katherinez1234 shock lasts up to 48 hours
@@jordanhenshaw I'm sorry that you took the time to make this. Please find something more worthwhile to do. Just a suggestion. Obviously, I can't tell you what to do, however.
I have checked the tax returns. She never made money at those MLM's and she was in dozens of them.
She was a victim of an MLM just like tons of other people. They end up spending more than they make and most end up in financial trouble because of it.
@@Liz_H9319 I think that was the only so called "job" she could pretend to do. She wouldn't take orders from anyone or thought she was too important to do an "hourly" job.
@@Liz_H9319maybe if she was in only one and got burned. She was in twelve different MLM companies. She isn't a victim that was a intentional choice.
This is true she didn't make a dime she drove them onto financial disaster just as had previously done in her own life, that's why her name wasn't on that mortgage in Colorado.
I love how her brother comes on videos to comment about "you people need to stop your lies! My sister carried that family financially! She made twice as much as Chris and was great at investing. They were not in debt! U people don't know what ur talking about and need to stop spreading lies!!!"
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SW definitely drew attention to her appearance. "don't mind me I'm a hot mess" 'I don't care how I look" these are things women say when they are trying to draw attention or compliments from men or women. You better count that trait in.
She was constantly fishing for compliments and it worked. ugh
Or when feeling insecure
She probably felt insecure not out looking for attention.
I get what your saying the end result was the same. If SW was insecure she was still seeking attention by the look at me, my appearance is bad thing . She really enjoyed compliments . It's not always a bad thing. Just something I noticed people do when needing to have attention. CWa ex girlfriend before Shannon did an interview awhile back. She said if Shanann wasn't told by people around her how good she looked SW would cut them out of CWs life. CW hugged a friends wife in greeting once. SW forbid CW from talking to his friend or friends wife. Extremely insecure needing to be the center.
Absolutely 💯
I saw a video that was filmed on Christmas Eve. Chris dressed up as Santa Claus. Neither one of the little girls wanted to go into the front room and see Santa and get a gift. The littlest one was screaming her head off. Bella, was saying she didn't want to go. Neither one of the little girls wanted to open a gift. Even with Cee Cee screaming, Shanann continued to take video. So bizarre to me that she would take video of that! She made them go into the front room of the house. Bella was near tears. She was told to open her gift. She was quite unhappy and whining. Cee Cee had been bawling. They didn't seem happy with the water bottles or slippers they got. It made me thing something was going on in that house. I have never seen children so unhappy on Christmas. Why? What happened when the camera was not on?
Other videos, it seemed like she told the little girls to act a certain way and say things she told them to. Like when she announced her pregnancy. She had the little girls say, "Yay!" It seemed so forced - like they were acting for the camera. When Chris came in and she told him she was pregnant he seemed to be acting. He said, "That's awesome". It seemed SO FAKE!!
Right.....Chris' 'that's awesome' was almost like he vomited it out of his mouth. He knew they could not afford another mouth to feed. The way she treated those little girls, I shudder to think when a little boy came along how the girls would really be ignored.
She followed Cee Cee and filmed her terror never once giving the child any comfort as a normal mother would, Mommy Dearest.
That video you describe literally haunted me. It was SO cringeworthy and clearly revealed how manipulative and controlling, and mentally disturbed Shanaan was. Her social media posts reveal that Shanaan did not care about those dear little girls. The fact that Shanaan even published that video screams mental illness or pure evil. Cici was terrified of "Santa Clause", screaming and crying and Shanaan with that smirk on her face, following her around, all the while with the camera pointed at her own face.
@@GusMac-kv7zi EXACTLY! Shanaan seemed amused by her daughter's terror.... that disgusting smirk on her face!
I remember Shannan scaring the kids with a creepy easter bunny.
Three monsters lived in that house SW, Chris and the MLM company. Poor babies, especially Bella the way SW treated her was irredeemable. Chris deserves to rot in a cell, however, his attorneys could have probably mounted a viable temporary insanity defense. Living with SW and that unrelenting MLM and her phone recording every second of the staged day. So sad.
Perfectly said!!!
Maybe he did not realize he was being abused, to start with then you have to prove it, and PROVE IT well. I know, I have been there, but he did not see/realize/ or perhaps did not want to admit what was going on. It is a process. That is why women do not just get up and leave immediately.
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern My point is, there was more than one dark force in that house.
@@gregthomas2448 Agree, but the catalyst was SW, IMO. And had CW figured things out sooner, only then could he have brought temp insanity to the table. He just gave up. I do not understand WHY the girls had to go too. That is the shame of it all, aside from them being abused by HER.
On another note though, no one REALLY knows CW's personality type, and I doubt if we ever will. He can stay where he is at, but I wonder where he'd be today had he married someone else.
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern salient points, I agree. I don’t think he was a born killer. I really don’t. I think he was weak. I don’t pretend to know the answers and I’m not a clinical psychologist however, I’m just say’n the guy lost it. His family his friends even NK I would have hoped they would tell him. Get a divorce, it will be bad, you will be ok. Just such a sad ending. I also agree taking the girls remains unexplained to me. That one haunts, because I’m not sure we know the truth.
Her reaction to Chris' affair seems realistic in that she is pregnant with 2 kids and your source of financial support is about ready to disappear....
She contributed to that only source of income being Chris. The girls were in daycare all day, she could have done Thrive on the side and worked a regular 9 to 5, even part time. Thrive was her 6th or 7th attempt MLM business making and each one had failed. In fact..my parents used to do Amway, which is one of the MLM companies Shanann was in before Thrive. My parents lost everything attempting to get their business off the ground. She chose over and over again to try to get MLMs to work for her when they take more money from you than they put in your wallet. I've seen that first hand with my own parents.
On top of the failed MLMs and her not wanting to work a regular job, she constantly traveled. She portrayed herself a certain way online as far as her financial status that did not reflect reality. They couldn't afford the house. They couldn't afford her car she drove, they were in staggering amounts of debt that ranged from the medical bills and credit card debt. She had around 37,000 worth of unused MLM products in their basement collecting dust.
She insisted on Bella and Cece attending a daycare that cost around 550$ per week..over 25,000$ per year. Just on daycare. Cece was not preschool age yet..there was less expensive options.
I'm not saying she deserved any of this, but her spending and portraying an affluent lifestyle while in staggering amounts of debt was part of the huge problems going on in that house.
You can't spend like that and live like that without a plan B, especially when they already filed for bankruptcy in 2015 and it was almost 500,000$ worth of debt.
She desperately needed help..her spending habits were out of control. She wouldn't have been in such a difficult position without Chris, had she learned better spending habits, downsizing home, downsizing daycare costs, etc.
You can't have a spending addiction and being mostly dependent on a spouse while in serious amounts of debt. It should NOT have ended in tragedy, but she was financially abusing him and any type of scenario like this, it almost always ends in divorce.
Since she was a stay-at-home mom and that was the reason why she said she was doing it mln so that she could be home with her children why would she have them in a daycare all day long that cost more than any other daycare in their area? The only thing that makes sense is why she had them in daycare is cuz she couldn't be around them by the courts
@@IndigoRoses7 Her reaction to his likely affair while she was pregnant was a realistic one no matter what their financial or other situtation.
@@gachalife_queen2816 yes
@@gachalife_queen2816 I agree
Who could live thier whole life on camera...he should have left ...
A lot of ppl live their lives on camera.....and, THEY don't murder!!! THIS is ridiculous! Sha'nann & her beautiful children did NOT deserve this BC of that monster having an affair & NOT having the courage to face the truth & facts!!! He should've filed for divorce & been done! Now he messed up his life & ALL of the families involved! Such a tragedy & heinous crime! RIP Shannan, her beautiful children & her family!! ❤❤❤
And a lot of people DON’T live their lives on camera, and have no desire to. Nobody said it’s an excuse for murder.
But, in a case like this, it’s certainly prudent to look at everything going in their lives. Things build up over time and it’s hard to tell who can handle it and who can’t.
He was too weak to leave!!! He is a weak murderous coward
He didn't live his whole life on camera. Get real.
@@dwightrenfield2241 no they don't..most of us would have said please turn the Camera off..l didn't say it wasn't a Horrific thing to do.. didn't say he wasn't a Monster.. didn't say he was right either..he deserves to be where he is...he should have left..not killed his Family
To be honest, I could not have spent 15 minutes ALONE with Shannon or Chris even if I was paid to do it...
Same thing with Chris unbearable mom...
With his eyes closed in unconsciousness. I was there once, and am still trying to break free from my brainwashing.
I don't believe she had friends I believe SW had people who were on her up and down lines ( her job in MLM ).
Big difference between friends and acquaintances too....
She had Nicole Atkinson she had the friend from Hawaii i think her name is Christina who she knew for years that came an stayed with her to help her after her neck surgery she also had Cassie they were all close friends you see how much they all cared for each other.
@@JD-ix2ss SW used all the people she knew.
I can not believe people think she was an angel. Urgh. I could see right through her in thr Netflix Doc. She financially abused chris as well as emotional abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if she hit him too.
@@RK-vf4mo It’s not all that relevant. He’s still a disgusting monster and those documentaries are specifically about what he done, not what she done. People argue ‘well that pushed him.’ No. Nothing could push a father to murder his kids. Yeah she could’ve been a bitch but he was demonic.
I keep saying this. Parents need to learn and education on personality disorders should be part of school curriculum for students and for parents. People do not know that this is so prevalent in people. There wasn't allot of education and information on this for the boomer generation, nor gen X. But for Millennials and Gen Z, there is finally a ton of education and information on Personality Disorders.
The science is still very new and when doctors diagnose patients they're still assessing traits and assigning them to a possible diagnosis, essentially guessing. There's no definitive way to diagnose any personality order.
@@leiaitri0444like how “still very new” do you mean?
Check out
2 Tim 3
in the Bible.
Paul explains personality disorders in the latter days.
It's interesting, imo
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But personality disorders are often caused BY poor parenting. Not always. But very, very often. Most people with NPD have been parented by people with NPD. People with BPD have usually been sexually abused, sometimes by a family member, and/or parented by someone with Cluster B Personality Disorder. I agree with your sentiment, but I think there should be specialist mental health workers in all schools to spot children who are being abused and neglected. No point in educating the parents who are actually doing it. They won't care.
@@leiaitri0444Yes, unfortunately, diagnosis and treatment is still in infancy 😢
MBP is what my understanding of her. She was abusive to both the girls and CW, he got sick of the charade, met NK, and his eyes opened up that there was a different lifestyle out there. He crawled out from under her thumb.
Precisely!
Straight to under the thumb of another woman!
@@Girl-101 That may be true. Chris was not sufficiently developed, but neither was SW. We all need to grow, but both of them needed a whole lot more growing to do in order to be in a healthy relationship. SW seized everyone's space, and Chris never learned to claim his personal space.
That he found relief with NK says a lot about the bondage he was in with SW.
NK was a narcissist herself. So, even if he hadn’t killed his family, he’d it still would have been “from the frying pan into the fire”. Chris sure knew how to pick ‘em.
@@crystalbluepersuasion1027 100%!!
CW should have been the one getting notifications every time SW spent money especially since it was HIS paycheck that was contributing to that account while her MLM and her overspending was sucking it dry
Yes the guy spent 65 dollars Shannon was all over it boy this girl should of had a wake up call year's ago drop out of sight gone
Agree, she controlled everything Chris should have checked out years ago I think when he met Nicky he suddenly realised that not all women were so controlling .....something he previously felt was normal with Shannon !
@@johanrahan3189 Nicky as you call her was putting a front on as well. She would have continued until she totally snagged him. She too was an alpha female so CW’s must have liked bossy women. I do believe NK was involved in the murders in the Watt’s home. It’s a shame there wasn’t a trial bc so much more of the truth would have come out with more investigation. Nate the neighbours camera was evident there was so much more.
@@sandrabreedlove3661
Shan’ann was all over the 65.00 he spent bc she was highly suspicious of him having an affair. She knew by that amt.he was. We will never know now if CW’s handled $$ any better.
@@TEBme-sf1itI believe it’s possible Chris called her for help that’s why NK had text him if you did something you’re going to ruin my life and yours….. I think 🤔 it’s possible SW erased her kids and herself or Chris did it after seeing on monitor. However after looking @discovery something pops out and changes my mind it bizarre case for sur…. I do believe Chris could’ve been set up it’s possible w all of the pathetic laziness LE does it sure possible
SW was a narc and 100% had MBP
SW commented many times about she herself being the fiery one and chalked it up to her Italian heritage. While CW was go with the flow. He upset her once, and she put him out of the house for the night. He did his best to never put himself there again. At all costs.
That was before they were married. If she was so terrible then why did he marry her? It is all hearsay and from his point of view and he has already shown himself to be a liar on many occasions.
@teresasis6980 a passive person find themselves walking on eggshells so not to upset a more controlling partner. Even if that happened before they were wed, he had likely been doing his best to not upset her and suffer the consequences. It's a deep psychological issue he had with women in his life taking control. He was fine with it until he wasn't. And it took yet another controlling persuasive woman yo point out to him that he was under the thumb, so to speak of his financial and emotional abuser. SW had said in the days before her expiration that she never thought about how some of her words and actions make him feel, as a man. Emasculated and powerless.
Are you a psychiatrist? I don't think so.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are absurd sir.
@@JeannieRice-l1l are you?
I have had a narcissist in the family and I recognize it
So u know then that SW was the narc?
@@jaimhaas5170 no obviously not
@@jaimhaas5170 stealing 80% of the family's income for an MLM or day care you DONT NEED? why does a stay at home mom need daycare when their mortgage is unpaid? classic narc behavior.
@@karrybosco7966 then you have no clue.
@@BluffCreekStudio the example of it go on and on with this woman. Her mother is the same way. The name change...the nut gate...the demand to drive a lexus....over and over..
She also displayed Munchausen by Proxy patterns
I thought the exact same thing
NEEKS PEEKS shows how she did so.
Exactly..textbook case.
No she was not
@@RachaelNelson-bj3ku 🤣
To everyone out there, this is what a critical thinking brain looks like. Good job 👏
Agreed
Shannan’s had plenty of MLM friends and it doesn’t mean she had a lot of personal friends prior to joining the company . I think she wasn’t good at managing money .she appears to have a dominating personality and things have to go her way . She never deserve to die though , especially her daughters . RIP
Who knows if he could manage money. SW would him allow him to!
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern Exactly. SHe took every dime then spent a quarter. She was horrible at limiting anything she wanted.
He let her do so
@@jaimhaas5170 The FBI mentioned her monthly deliveries of packages and hair care products that were billed to CW's account etc etc. He had no idea. He stupidly trusted her.
Right. No one ever ever says she deserved it. The pint is she is not a saint or a martyr, and she is a high level Narc who tortured her kids and her husband, even if said husband is a pos.
Jordan, my friend, I have watched most of your videos w/o commenting. Your analysis of this case, specifically Shannon, is what everyone needs to hear. You do a phenomenal job with this case that I've admired from afar! Thank you for sharing, dude.
Yeah be he is always right... Right?
@@paulathornton8858 it read like a college paper, so lots of areas for improvement but I appreciate the effort.
hmm if you aren't perfect I guess you deserve to be murdered? yea right.
BUT HOW CAN HE ANALYZE ANYONE WHEN HE HAS NOT TRAINING 😅?
@@TheSfennif someone with the training analyzed this case , they would come to the same conclusions. This was a toxic relationship, leading to disaster for everyone concerned. I am convinced Chris jumped out of the frying pan into the fire by taking up with NK. The question is , would he have later on felt he needed to get rid of her too?
Bravo!! I lived in Watts Island for a couple years (name given to those of us who were obsessed over this case) and I can tell you that Chris Watts had ASPERGER SYNDROME. If you take a deep dive and go back over his ENTIRE life you will find a very clear picture of a man on the high functioning spectrum. Social awkwardness, shy, quiet, highly intelligent, obsessive tendencies, lack of GENUINE emotional attachment, lack of empathy, poor communication skills, etc. The FBI stated several times that Chris Watts DID NOT fit any of their normal profiles, so no, he is not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist. He doesn’t fit ANY of those. I have been screaming this since the case started, and most ppl called me crazy. Then little by little as Chris just didn’t fit the narrative some were laying out…….I did have MANY who finally came to my corner. In fact, the family has felt for a couple or so years now that Chris has Asperger Syndrome. The rest of your analysis on Shannan Watts is SPOT ON! It’s very hard to present this truth because you get called a victim basher and they just don’t realize that in reality……dead people don’t automatically become saints. So BRAVO on a job WELL DONE!!
Yeah none of those things you mentioned point to any mental health disorder like ASD. Social awkwardness is not clinically relevant, shyness is not clinically relevant, quietness is not clinically relevant, obsessive tendencies-I don't know what you mean by that, lack of genuine emotional attachment-again I don't think that actually means anything, lack of empathy-I don't think there's any evidence of substantive empathy impairment, and poor communication skills-I don't even know where you got that from. There was a claim made by his sister about his behavior in early childhood that pointed specifically in the direction of ASD (restricted range of interests, extreme difficulty socializing about anything not directly related to the primary fixation of interest), but wore off and frankly isn't enough to even suggest ASD formally-not without much more information.
People WAYYYY overestimate their ability to pick out ASD in the wild. People think it's this fairly common, general trait that's easy to identify in the rough. It isn't . It's a very distinct cluster of behavioral patterns. 90% of the traits laypeople attribute to ASD are not ASD. Most of the traits turn out to be introversion, poor social conditioning in childhood (NOT necessarily evidence of a disorder), and masculinity.
@@jordanhenshaw My ex husband has AS, and I’ve worked with children on the professional level with various disorders including AS for about a decade now. I also spearhead a county community “workshop” for those on the high functioning end of the spectrum (AS technically has been deleted on the professional realm) and their families. I was asked to help this group get started by the therapist that my ex husband and I used. He is a specialist in adult AS and helps with (marriage, family)issues. I KNOW what AS looks like, and my OPINION is that Chris Watts fits the bill. You can disagree if you’d like….that doesn’t bother me. I’m not going to waste my time debating a janitor when I work with adults and children with AS, and I LIVED with it for 10 yrs, as well as work alongside an adult AS specialist. Realistically, neither you nor I can 100% say that he does or doesn’t have AS. I could dive into any one of your claims that I have wrong about Chris and various AS traits that I believe are there, but you aren’t worth it. You are far too argumentative to your viewers and you seem to like being a smart a__s. I thank you for your ever so kind reply. Have a great day!
@@reneesantiago6496 Yeah most of the traits you mentioned are not clinical symptoms of anything and the ones you did list that could be clinical traits are not based in evidence we have of Chris, and the other ones are so far removed from being professional discourse that I have no idea what on earth you’re even getting at. It doesn’t matter if you are or are not a layperson or if you do or don’t have status or experience. If you say dumb stuff, you’re saying dumb stuff.
@@jordanhenshaw The evidence that I have to form my opinion on Chris’s clinical traits is from watching every single video and piece of footage out there of CW. I closely watched him alone, with friends, with co workers, and especially with his family. I listened to every single interview that pertained to Chris. AS is not as complicated and rare as you seem to think. In fact, some researchers feel that it’s possible our brains (especially males) are starting to slowly evolve into more and more AS (spectrum) traits. High functioning autism is actually a wider net than you seem to understand. A person who has AS isn’t necessarily going to stick out like a sore thumb. I may have watered down the AS traits that I see, but watered down or described out more professionally……it doesn’t change the fact that CW most definitely has “some” AS traits. I’ve already been down this road HARD, and studied CW alongside professionals that I work with in this field. Though of course, I’m not 100% diagnosing him. What I am saying is that the traits I see most definitely are enough for him to get a proper professional evaluation. I stand strong that Chris is not a psychopath, sociopath or narcissist (possibly a bit inward, but nothing outward) If I would have come across you about 4 yrs ago I’d be up for a full out debate…….but I have no desire to return to Watts Island. So we can agree to disagree.
@@reneesantiago6496 difficulty understanding facial expressions
Difficulty with figurative language
Repetitive stemming behaviors
Low tolerance for rough textures in clothing
Restricted range of interests
Tendency to hyper-fixate to the point of not being aware of surroundings
This is the ASD profile. It’s distinct. Notice social awkwardness, shyness, introversion is not in that list. To nail down ASD you need direct evidence of many of those distinct patterns. Not a qualia you subjectively deem to smell like ASD (or AS if you’re trying to lower the standards). Lower the standards or not, it doesn’t matter. Chris is the wrong shape.
Honestly it’s dumb to call it AS because the word spectrum is still in ASD. Stripping the D because you don’t think it’s a disorder is silly. It is. That’s why it’s defined in a diagnostic manual. People seriously struggle with this stuff. It’s not a difference in preference. It’s inability.
“First of all……how dare I?!?”
Love it already 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like I could put the statement before most conversations I start
She was not only demeaning to CW and the kids she was also cruel to Dieter she put him in a shirt sleeve and filmed him struggling to get out Damn animal abuser..🤬
Shannan was very sadistic.
Put out in the cold for Christmas couldn't be part of the family
Animal and child abuser. Her videos made me sick to my stomach.
I found the Christmas vlog where Chris was dressed up as Santa was really disturbing The kids were frieked out !!Children want to imagine Santa and all its mystery not have him suddenly turn up at home .She could see they were upset and forced them to sit on "santas" knee for a happy families photo .
You guys must be reincarnated Salem witch trial Karens. Smh
When she mocks her daughters for being upset it’s so disgusting. She was a BULLY. Before all these diagnoses these types of people were called bullies. Anyone who would deliberately hurt their kids feelings is a pos. And for the people who say oh you didn’t know her blah blah blah. No and I’m glad I didn’t.
I thought I watched all of the videos. The videos I saw she was being loving and warm to her children. Would you be able to post a link for me to see which one that you’re referring to if you have time thanks.
I agree
That's the main point to me. As you said, she DELIBERATELY hurt people. She felt power in doing so and she was never going to give that power up. She "thrived" on it and projected an air of superiority. She had to make everyone feel small around her. Chris realized this, especially after the Nutgate drama. She pushed him and kept pushing until he could find no other way but to strike out at her.
Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives!
We know for sure that he murdered his children. The idea of Shanann murdering the kids was implanted in his mind by the CBI agent Tammy to get him to confess something! Chris at the time immediately denied Shanann did anything until the very end when he knew he was caught. You should know better than this. Additionally, he confessed to the murders even about Bella asking him “are you going to do the same thing to me you did to Cece”. The law enforcement, DA, etc., investigated this on top of Chris’s full second confession in prison March 2029.
Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives!
Why did he murder the kids? Let’s forget Shanann for a second! It’s not like he just murdered his “narcissistic” wife because he snapped! He brutally murdered his children and all this after several months of having an affair! He even stated this in the second prison interview that if he had never met NK his family would still be alive! What’s wrong with you people?
Thank you for this video. I wish more people watched this with open mind
Absolutely
Is that you and Karen
Is that you and Karen
Wow... thank you for this. Society acts like objective analysis of a victim is equivalent to murdering them again.
This case both fascinates and horrifies me because I, too, believe I have histrionic personality disorder that has become more manageable as I have aged. I am very happily married now, but it is my FOURTH marriage. Any of the other three marriages could have ended like the Watts marriage, and I feel blessed beyond measure that I never quite pushed any husband that far.
Being angry and shouting and cursing make people hate you .. but that does not mean you deserve to be killed!!
Many people are angry and loose their temper but we try to avoid them when they are at this mood.. or if we cannot take any more we leave them for ever.. not kill them?
You deserve to be respected and understood.. not to be killed
Sure you have a huge responsibility toward yourself and your mood
Bless you❤❤
At least you admit it and are aware you're impossible to live with. 🤦🏽♀🤷🏽♀😆😆
@@leiaitri0444
If she is impossible to live with then leave? Why force yourself to live with someone you hate then kill him or her?
@user-pj6vr8xe5r that comment was in response to the woman who was hating on Shan'ann and admitting to being impossible to live with, as she was on her 4th marriage and was saying how glad she was none of her husbands killed her instead of leaving. Hence "at least you admit you're impossible to live with "...🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
She was vain. Always taking pictures of herself. I think because she was so insecure with herself, she felt the need to be validated by people commenting on her pics/posts.
I always felt she was insecure because she admitted she struggled through school where Chris one time got it so I always felt she would make him feel inadequate to secure her own issues here !!!!
@@chrisv.4071 I 💯 agree
Look up NEEKS PEEKS analysis too.
@@baneverything5580 I have watched all her videos.
Who gives a shit if she was vain? Again, Chris Watts could have left her. This isn't rocket science. My ex wife wasn't vain. We just got married too young and didn't get along so I left. Crazy right? I didn't murder her and our 2 kids. Amazing that you can actually move on from a partner without murdering them and the kids, huh?
When I first started watching UA-cam in April 2019 the Chris Watts case was the very first thing I watched. This is because I started on a site called Documentary Heaven where I picked True Crime as the genre I wanted to watch and the Documentary called "Missing" was what I watched, which was the Chris Watts case. I then spent 2 full years following the case and NOTHING else on UA-cam for that time. I know the case inside out. I have always wanted to know more about Shan'ann and there really hasn't been much out there apart from her own home videos she posted on Facebook. I really enjoy fresh information on the case. Thank you!
I have also waited for people to come forth to offer insight into Shanann, both from her previous life as well as her life with Chris, I had been impossible to gather information on her because anyone posting anything is quickly accused of victim bashing. I feel to understand this case the investigation has to start years before the event, probably as far back as early childhood. It might even be necessary to look at the parents. Since the crime of family slayer is still fairly new, the profile is still in its infancy. The profiler needs all the help available to them. This category of killer needs guidelines in order to recognize him/her BEFORE the crime occurs. I’m
@@shirleydrake1602 Agree, or people pile on with florid But that didn’t give Chris the right to - ! like-baiting comments.
@@pipermccoolOMG, YES!! People seem to push the narrative that Shannon was a saint!🙄 She wasn't. If they'd open their damn eyes when watching her videos, they'd see it. Her poor kids were hardly ever in a good mood, but she insisted on filming them. And you can see how she would berate her p.o.s. husband. She was a real piece of work!! I know I'd never be friends with someone like that. I just wouldn't be able to deal with her. The thing is, people are quick to come at you if you mention any of that. Like "so she caused her own death?!?" They say. NO ONE SAID THAT! But she didn't help herself by her actions. But whatever. 😐
@@duraniegal79 Good to know I’m not alone in my objectivity! As if changing your name to “Shan’ann” isn’t narcissistic. If you haven’t, you might want to check out “Did Shannan Watts have Munchausen by Proxy?”
According to one interview of someone who knew Shannon, she would say things that indicated that she was grandiose and felt better than others. If a ‘friend’ lived in a modest home, as that is what many of us buy in order to live within our means, she would comment negatively to and about that person. It’s clear she believed she was entitled to buy the largest newest home/mansion, within ‘reason.’ She used embezzled Dirty South funds to buy her first mansion and then fled out of state to buy her second mansion, which she couldn’t afford so only chris’ name was listed on the deed! Who pulls that crap but a grandiose personality ?
Evil mothering too. She is MbP.
It was obvious that shannon was obsessed with appearances by all accounts. She even performed a makeup tutorial for the world to see how she drew on her question-mark-shaped eyebrows. So not sure why this dood couldn’t figure that one out. Shannon’s life was one big theatrical show. She also spent thousands on brandname and MLM clothing and shoes for herself. Spent a lot on stuffing Chris’ and girls’ huge closets with her cutesy T-shirts and everything else a person could possibly wear.
Shannon’s health claims baffled me. I’m very familiar with fibromyalgia and she did not ACT as though she had FMD but at times she SPOKE like she had FMD. My guess is Shannon memorized a real patient’s script and spoke those words in order to make people believe her story to sell thrive and garner sympathy and attention. There is no way that thrive eradicated her FMD. There is no cure for FMD.
Part of the issue is that persons with FMD are actually very sick behind closed doors and very inactive due to the disease, but the few times we go out we put on a show that we are normal-looking. Because behind the scenes it is difficult for us to perform self-care, let alone get out of bed to toilet or take a shower! I personally don’t think it was possible for her to be as active as she was and to be diagnosed with FMD. It is a crippling disease and a lot of patients cannot work, let alone maintain a pristine mansion and run after two/three little babies! You should really see the unkempt state of my humble ranch house right now! :-(
I’m less familiar with lupus but know it is deadly and affects the organs. Patients have lots of tests, followup appointments, medications, failing organs, etc. Shannon never spoke of any of these aspects of these debilitating and complex disorders, and thrive is not a cure for lupus!
I had never heard of a parent just arbitrarily handing out Benadryl to their children on the regular in efforts to get them to sleep. That sounds like dangerous and terrible parenting. We cannot know what medical problems any of these people actually suffered from and what they were diagnosed with. That is why the fact there was no trial is such a miscarriage of justice because there are so many unanswered questions, NK and anyone else involved are not investigated even a little bit, all confidential files on the minor children are permanently sealed, and shannon’s health records are permanently sealed! We will never know what tests were ran on the girls and for what reason, test results, and anything else.
I hope one day soon reopening the watts case is warranted and the actual truth of this mysterious case is revealed!
NK is involved to some extent, and her father should be charged as well with obstruction of justice.
@@user-lv4ok9vo5o She would see some illness on TV then pronounce she suffered from it. The detectives mentioned this. I think they knew SW killed the girls. Something off when CW went from desiring full trial then suddenly plea'd the thing out.
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@@user-lv4ok9vo5o Thank you for that very articulate and accurate explanation of Fibro. I have it along with CFIDS and that is my experience, exactly. I do think that Shannan used illnesses in herself and her children as another means of attention supply. She absolutely was the narcissist in the relationship. It seems as though Nichole is a narcissist as well…so maybe Chris is just drawn to that type. I absolutely agree that NK was not investigated as she should have been and I truly hope this case is reopened for that fact alone. I had a theory that NK was actually the doer and CW knew he would be blamed anyway…and may have been threatened..or parents threatened…so he protected her…and took the fall. It is also very shady that Dwayne Kessenger was allowed to have such a big voice in that interview. He needs to be investigated also.
Shanann pushed Chris away, at first, because she didn’t like the way he looked on Facebook. Notice how she quickly engulfed him when he reflected her self love back to her and was able to meet her needs. She was very quickly hyper focused on his family and elevated them to demons, when they were the most ordinary of people. My opinion on Chris’s feelings towards her, I think she spent the early relationship and marriage trying to force him to feel more towards her than he did. She was his ‘favourite person’ until she wasn’t.
She was highly manipulative. She needed control OF EVERYTHING. It allowed her to bankrupt everyone around her.
I think she had a touch of a fictitious disorder. Surgery, medicines, etc etc. at autopsy no signs of any of the claims. What happened was unspeakable but I wish people would be honest. This didn’t happen in a vacuum.
Every time Shannon was sick or had surgery, the girls were healthy. When Shannon was well, the girls were constantly sick. I think you're correct.
No way in hell I’d stay with someone who screwed up my finances and had their phone ping when I used my card!!!!
Should of walked out leaving Shannon setting in her palace it wasn't no one but hers never cared if anyone had a place to stay as long she could profile look at me
@@sandrabreedlove3661the house was only in his name
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Yeah. No way in hell I'd stay married to a lizard. Wouldn't want for him to kill me or my toddlers.
he even didnt have a Car,only Work Truck and he wasnt alowed to put a Nail in the Wall of her House.He never fight back but inside it ws boiling i think,Thrive also let him come,out of his Shell,.
Shanann was a typical Histrionic. Very jealous of Jamies kids and the attention they got from grandparents. Im sure she did flirt, alot and dress provocatively on her Thrive getways. Always tons of makeup too. She was very aware of her appearance claiming "im a hot mess, dont mind me". Not a statement needed. She was very shallow in her Thrive schpiels using one or two words only to explain products. "Super excited, amazing" but with little emotion while saying these things repeatedly. And she made a big deal of how close she was with her friends. Facebook give notice of birthdays and because she got lots of messages, it doesn't mean those people adore you, but she thought so. One "friend"in a documentary thought Chris Miller was her husband! And Nicole Atkinson and her were not as besty friends as they appeared. These "close friends " were more aquaintances through her MLMs. Flying off the handle as seen in Nutgate, one great example of her exaggerated emotions. I would definitely place SW in the category of Hystionic with a ton of magical thinking. Life was going down hill fast for her and she wasnt even in tune with the disaster that lay ahead. Murder or not.
She was an insufferable self obsessed woman that abused her children, especially her eldest daughther. The only victims were the children.
Good observations. I found Shanaan's home videos cringe-worthy and VERY telling..... She was a narcissist and abused those children medically and emotionally. Too many people are brainwashed and elevate her to sainthood status only because she's dead.
Provocative? Her sense of style leaves me cold.
@@mstubeornottube You mean you don't just love that Lu La Roe leopard print dress with the big slit up the side and that cleavage showing? Hahaha
And Chris was a covert narcissist. I've worked with several and been related to one so my opinion is as valid as yours.
MLM's perfect for low level grifters so you see why SW fit in them perfectly.
what is MLM?
MLM has NOTHING to do with the IGNORANCE!!!…of a “person” or “people” such as Christopher Watts and what he and his Demonic
s l u t side piece did!!! Nor did The Thrive product and/or anything other than HIS OWN personal demons and narcissistic behavior (that all stemmed from childhood and being “raised,” by his , “parents,” -especially his “Mama” Mrs. Cindy Watts!-thank you very much!) and this… “person” making this video😂 is a total tool, probably related to the Watts and probably has already committed things beyond Chris!! 🧐Perhaps they can share a cell together as I’m sure they would love to get to know each other closely!🥰🤪 I mean, just listen to him, then look at him and then RUN FAR, RUN FAST!!! AND THEN RUN EVEN FASTER! OMG narrator dude! -drink some water so you can stop 🤢🤮smacking, un-sticking, your lips as you try to speak and spew this nonsense!
OMG QUIT GULPING YOUR SALIVA!!!!!!!! It’s making me need to throw up. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮
Get off of UA-cam. You should not be publicly speaking! Anywhere! Ever! This is not the place for you to practice your, “speeches“🤢especially spewing the BS you’re spewing! oh my gosh it’s like a triple vomit session!! Go do something else-you’re not good at this!! and 🤔how many monsters have you met???? Please do tell?? Cause you seem to “know” so much about them!! is it when you look in the mirror 😵 it’s obvious you do not know ANYTHING about this case or this family!! how dare you?!?!?! watch out honey, karma is a bitch!… oh you’ve met her?!?😂
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Jordan I appreciate you incite but I'm not sure if shanann had that many followers for her vids before she was murdered. It's been reported that people would unfollow her on fb because she was so annoying and posting nonstop.
YEP!
That's true.
Yes one of their family friends admitted that he had to unfollow her because she posted every three minutes.
and NA didn't even invite her to her wedding
I totally believe that everyone has touched on the situation greatly.
I am SO HAPPY you made this video, Jordan. People automatically think just because she was horrifically murdered she was perfect in life and Chris is a monster.
The watts family will love it you have played right into their hands and this analysis certainly takes the focus off their murdering son.. this is a joke!
I agree with you. Some comments on this video demonstrate what you're stating. No one is saying that what happened to her was right or deserved. But with these people canonizing her, no one can even state the facts about who this woman was in real life. Smh
Chris IS a monster, regardless of her own obvious mental issues. If you think a man who killed his pregnant wife and children is a victim, you should probably get help as well. Egghead is a monster and it seems that some need constant reminder.
She was far from perfect, he IS a monster.
@@ThePretendJudge no she was not
The Recovering Hunbot on You Tube did an amazing job explaining Shanann's involvement with Thrive. It a two part series, but it goes into 3 other episodes going into the MLM/Thrive behavior. Great job. I recommend those episode from her.
I read that, too, and you are right, it was well worth the effort.
Chris admitted he killed his daughters...Stop spreading lies about not knowing who killed them.
He never said that... 🤷🏼♀️
Yeah this guy is a dope. He probably has a copy of Cindy Watts’s book.
Shannon also “admitted” to having lupus, fibromyalgia and any other difficult to diagnose or confirm illness. Admitted the same for her kids, projected a certain lifestyle and image which was a complete sham, used any and every situation to hawk thrive as a “cure” for the various assortment of maladies from which she complained. Dr shopped, embezzled money, continuously used the children as a wedge between herself and in-laws, isolated Chris from his family, removed any and every evidence of any of his likes and hobbies…. Shall I go on? I believe Chris as much as I believe Shannon.
He said what he said for a reason. I think he was covering for Nichole….and may have even had his family threatened….so he took the fall because he knew his life would be over anyway.
There was no investigation to verify his confession.
I went to high school with her. She had no friends simply because she thought she was better than everyone. Very privledged. She was the type that would talk shit about anyone and everyone.
Did she graduate? I found a list from your Pinecrest HS and she was not listed. I used to live in Pinehurst.
@Jesus85ize are you aware of Shannon’s long list of felony convictions? They are in Moore, Mechklenburg and other counties. About 25 all told
@Gary Leonard: Very privleged?????
@@Tinkerbell403 really? Felony charges for what? I am not surprised, she was shady and so is her family.
Did she fool around with the drama teacher? He was reprimanded for spending so much time with her alone. He was told to cut it out, or get a witness in the room with them. Just wondering about that. Your the first person I have heard from who knew her from way back. Did you also know Chris Miller
That woman was TERRIBLE. Those poor girls certainly went through abuse during their short lives. She definitely had MBP.
Thank you for making this. There's another UA-camr ("Dreading") who posted a video series about the Watts murders. He portrays Shanaan Watts as the consummate business woman and home-maker, awarding her sainthood status by implying she walks on water. Meanwhile, he criticizes Cindi Watts, stirring up angst against Chris's family members. Reading the comments underneath his videos on this case is disturbing. He may have even blocked me for challenging his opinion.
That is why I appreciate your honest and thorough work on this case. You present facts and are more believable. Personally, I believe all true crime channels should encourage their viewers to refrain from attacking family members of perpetrators and victims of crimes because all of those people are suffering beyond what most of us can imagine. They don't need any additional contributions to the shock, PTSD, and grief they are most likely experiencing.
I pin top dissenting comments to the top. I checked the guy out, seems to mean well at first glance, but there’s not a lot of critical thinking. Key requirement for reaching actual truth in these matters is to withhold all judgment, observe, observe, observe, and then use extensive research into various seemingly unrelated fields to try to apply well-known models that explain all observations-especially the strangest ones-and then try to prove the theory wrong, refine the theory, and hopefully at some point be able to declare that you can’t prove your theory wrong.
Many channels on here go the dollar store route by skipping many of those steps (sone of those steps are ALWAYS skipped). Every detail of all of those steps is important. Since the actual fact of most cases will never be known, people develop overinflated confidence in being wrong since it’s not like MMA where if you suck, you get knocked out. Here, the ability to empirically test actual accuracy is very limited. It’s a bit of Dunning Kruger paired with extremely unreliable feedback/inability of failures to become obvious.
@@jordanhenshaw Thank you for your reply, and that you took the time to check out Dreading. He puts out a significant quantity of videos , so he probably has to take the dollar store route you describe. I enjoyed his work in the past and thought he had a great narration voice, but strongly disagree with his opinion on the Broderick and Watts cases. He presents his opinions as if they are facts, as well which is problematic.
I appreciate your attention to detail and thoroughness. Your sincerity, honesty and kindness are evident.
I agree.
I've watched them.
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Wow Jordan.
I totally agree.
Didn't that guy say that Cindy tried to kill Cece with Pine nut ice cream??? Never seen that flavor before 🤗💟
I'm so glad someone is telling the real story
you are so gullible!!
Why do you say she is gullible?? She's stating a fact. A real issue! So, I don't think she's gullible at all.
@@cindychamness5713 anyone that believes this guy is telling the "real" story, c"mon he is a joke!! I'm not saying that Shanann was perfect but that family did not deserve what happened to them. That piece of garbage of a so called father put both kids in tanks of oil because he didn't know what else to do and then denied about their whereabouts. But, I guess its easier to believe that Shanann crawled out of her shallow grave and did that, SMDH
WOW great one! He is NO professional for sure!
The people that believe his crap are wacka doodles that have not read and studied the case!
Hey Mr. Genius saw your doodles your phyc.degrees!
It's sad that such n
@@terrijohnson4616 i dont recall anyone saying she deserved it.
She was a hustler in North Carolina and ran some scams and was charged and a Changed her name twice and cheated on her first husband.
Interesting.
Facts. She was far more devious than most will admit to.
is there a video or article for this?
@@fadfudge4719 You have to just start searching her name in UA-cam…there are a lot of channels that started to unveil the truth.
@@fadfudge4719 You can glean much of it from the interviews that were done by the CBI. Several talked about her earlier days and also about how she claimed to have every illness she saw presented on TV. She was a very disturbed woman.
There’s videos of her kids trying not to puke while she forced them to pretend they like those absolutely disgusting bone dry nasty food bars she made everyone eat. Poor Bella was almost to the point of puking and even tried to hide and spit it out while she made them pretend they liked it. It made me sick to watch it
Pretty sure there were nuts in them too but one had a "severe" nut allergy
@@laur131306 no and Chris even said he has only seen photos of the rash never in person. I don’t think Cindy was convinced she had it either what do you think?
@brodyrichard263 it's complete speculation on my part, but I think Cindy was starting to get suspicious about the kids and her supposed illnesses and how SW was treating those innocent babies. I think that's why SW didn't want cindy around them. Cindy enabled Chris too much,but I absolutely believe she loved those babies.
@@laur131306 I agree with that and also somebody actually did the work to compare how many post she made about the kids being sick whenever she had family living there with them versus when it was just her Chris and the kids and there’s basically no sickness or any allergies reported when she had people there ..kind of makes you think
The murders were horrific for both families, but I especially felt sorry for Cindy.
This poor woman was vilified beyond belief.
I hope she's ok.
You sir, are 1 billion percent correct. She was a bully and endlessly treated him like a two year old. I have a sister who treats her husband the exact same way. It makes me sick to my stomach. The entire family sees it and have for more the 25 years. We don’t even like being in public with them because of the way she treats him. And sadly he just takes it. I will never understand how some people don’t value themselves enough to understand that we only have one life and they deserve better. It’s also taken me 50 years to understand that most relationships are not at all about true love. Most are about needs and circumstances that have absolutely nothing to do with feelings for another human being. For the record i grew up with 5 older sisters so believe me when i say i can see a crazy woman a million miles away. 😅
The woman lost her life with an unborn child inside her,along with her 2 gorgeous little daughters.
She was dumped into the ground in a very inhuman way.
Do you think it’s a nice comment for you to make in that manner about her?
You didn’t know her.
I also grew up with 5 older sisters,
But that reason alone would not give me the right to judge a woman who was murdered by the one man she trusted with her life and her children’s!
@@natalieflanagan175 Shanann's instinct was to push Chris away when they first started dating. Then two children later she said she didn't feel safe with Chris but still went back to Colorado to work on their marriage. She knew that it was likely he was cheating because of the large bill on their credit card. If only she listened to her instinct, and stayed in North Carolina with her family she would be alive today.
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No one is denying that what happened to her was 100% wrong. She did not deserve that. But that doesn't take away from what was true about her personality. She was not a saint. Stop canonizing her.
@@user-vz3fh6oj7d EXACTLY! SW was a very, very Abusive spouse to Chris, and imo was also abusive towards her girls and other family members. SW treated Chris like absolute garbage. She was financially abusive, verbally abusive, and much more. NO she did NOT deserve to ever get killed! And those babies who were 110% innocent never deserved to be killed either. However, I can absolutely see how CW snapped on his wife. The girls IMO were NOT harmed by CW, but I fully believe that CW’s first confession was true. SW was NOT a good mother, and obviously couldn’t even take the time to be interested in being a mother bc she put them in daycare all week while she was at home doing NOTHING! Not to mention the nightly doses of drugs she gave them to make them sleep at 6:30 pm every night. And the many, many unnecessary medical issues she made up and forced onto the girls. Imo, SW would be way more likely to harm the girls than CW would’ve.
Watts was terrible towards Sw
Men don't tell u truth on any thing
I’m wondering what you think of Shanann and her having Munchausen/Munchausen by proxy? I’d love to have your take on it. She was CONSTANTLY subjecting both her girls and herself to different physicians for a large variety of health issues because she would doctor shop if the girls weren’t diagnosed with what she thought was their problem. She even said openly she would take the girls doctor to doctor until she got the diagnosis she wants. She also subjected the girls to unnecessary ER visits, as well as unnecessary thyroid blood tests in what she suggested was an attempt to figure out why the girls had such thin hair. Also, in the autopsy Shanann had not one of the conditions she claimed to have had. No lupus, endometriosis, gestational diabetes, none of it. As far as her not having NPD, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of her not being grandiose. She asserted her grandiosity over Chris and Chris alone because she could. She knew he would take it with no backlash from him. She demeaned him and insulted his intelligence publicly. She wouldn’t allow him to manage his own money because she thought he was too stupid and she was better but in reality it was to keep it a secret. She wouldn’t let him see his family because they could never do anything right, she was safer, smarter, and a better parent than any of them. She was wholly self serving and that in itself makes her way of thinking grandiose. In addition to that, her MLM affiliations appear to show a degree of grandiosity too. Many of the women “under” her within the company are simply not comparable in physical appearance and/or socioeconomic status, at least on its surface. For example, Nichole Adkinson, the friend that alerted police. MLMs historically target women in vulnerable situations. Struggling single mothers, young college students, single women, women unhappy in their career…people of that nature. In order to target someone one sees as vulnerable, there has to be a level of grandiosity there. Shanann targeted women that wanted to look and live like her. Shanann was not a good person at all. I’m not going to give the blanket disclaimer about blaming anyone other than Chris here either. For 3.5 years anyone emotionally invested in this case has wanted to know why, and Shanann is the why. It’s not her fault but she is solely the reason he did what he did. They had deep rooted marital problems and he hated her because she was who she was and he was who he was. Then the idiot thought he was in love after 8 weeks and snapped because he hated living in his marriage. My personal opinion is that he killed the girls because they walked in on him. Unfortunately, he’s a liar and/or only has the capacity to tell people what he thinks they want to hear versus the truth.
It took me 57 hours to scroll through a week of her Facebook and I don’t know how to skip to a certain time period, so I don’t know.
I’m not sure if any of those conditions would have shown up in an autopsy. Furthermore, clinicians often misdiagnose. A lot of the stuff you’re mentioning about grandiosity is better explained by the socio-cultural context than by intrinsic pathology. For the same reason, we don’t diagnose tons of celebrities with NPD, despite the fact that so many meet the clinical criteria.
Her antagonism towards Chris was factored in.
@@jordanhenshaw yes they would show up at autopsy that is how they were able to say she did not have the diseases she claimed she had...for example lupus they look at skin as there will be sugns and organs and it was noted she was healthy and no autoimmune disease( which is what lupus is) she was a liar
@@isabellavalencia8026 But she could have been misdiagnosed by a licensed doctor, correct?
@@jordanhenshaw no, she was never diagnosed with lupus that was just another of her many lies. You should know literally everything about scam'snn was either fake or a lie including that ridiculous pronunciation of her name...it was really just shannon. The truth was not within this scammer.
We do know who killed the children. Chris did. He described it in detail.
Several different versions, too, isn't it funny how certain subsets of people CHOOSE to believe the most lurid, awful, & ridiculous version imaginable? He admitted he's a liar- why do you believe him?
And Chris always told the truth.....
@@voluntaryismistheanswer I see this is where the mentally ill congregate and scratch each others backs...holy crap, lol
@@voluntaryismistheanswer because its logical. Hence why that was the final word being taken. Whats the alternative? I dont plan on questioning this for the next 20 years like you people obviously want to.
@@Wanda7051 the woman who locked two girls in their rooms with no water for 14 hours would have a far less time killing them than the only parent who EVER cared for them.
You are absolutely the best on Internet to explain this crime! It make sense what you are saying, nothing else does!
umm someone did the same evaluation over a yr ago!
@@GenX7119 Who?
It did not make sense to me, until I found NEEKS PEEKS. Then I got a bit of understanding about CW, and his BS.
Lol except for not taking all the evidence and CONFESSION into account! This whole video is fucking embarrassing as shit
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern NEEKS PEEKS does a fantastic job combing through the vast mountains of video footage in a way that sheds light on all of the glaring red flags that were hiding in plain sight all along.
Bang on point and that’s why true crime Chanel’s can’t get to the bottom of this case and never will .. Chris is the only one who could ever let the cat out the bag period
and her family on her behaviour.
She had munchausens and munchausen by proxy. Extremely histrionic. Those poor kids
💯 agree
Yes, agreed.
I really enjoyed your analysis. There was though an instance of physical abuse by Shannon towards Chris. Early in the relationship she didn’t get her way she put hands on him pushed & shoved him out the front door, locked him out & made him stay outside all night in the cold without a coat. Shannon said he learned after that.
You have a source for that?
He told it in his recorded interviews in Colorado.
@@jordanhenshaw Chris said it in his interview with the police
Yes, he said in his letters for the book, if he had left after their conversation, she would have changed the locks . He wouldn’t have been able to get back in the house. He mentioned the time she put him out overnight. He was a true believer of SHANANN’s power. Of course , the situation was different then it was in NC. In CO Chris owned the house. He could have legally made her let him in or get out of the house. In NC she owned the house , he was a visitor.
This astrologer breaks down their relationship between the two of them in a compatibility chart I think it's really accurate. ua-cam.com/video/h-l0g4PHdEI/v-deo.html
She acted more like a mean older teenage sister than a mother towards those girls. I don't understand why she wanted to have kids since they annoyed her
What an awful thing to say !!And Chris was a brilliant father he had to break there f......bones to get them into that oil hatch there skin was hanging off when they were found .Bella begged and said no daddy before he took the life out of her -WTF .
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This a very sad case, but what broken bones ?
Any case where a body is left in liquid can cause a skin slippage.
It's not an unusual feature at all.
It's just another fact from the morgue that in many cases that the general population doesn't often get to hear about.
But what is unusual was their marriage, and the way this case was treated by law enforcement and the DA.
This girl hated kid's
Estabas tu ahí para afirmarlo? Hahaha niña loca @@deborahmaycock2184
The pregnancy and births brought her more attention….and helped further the myth that her life was wonderful.
Where have you been? Your insights have been greatly needed in the discussion of this case. Much over due! Thank you so much. I have enjoyed your videos tremendously. Low on emotion, high on facts.
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lmao yeah don't judge Chris, the one who killed his wife and babies, just the wife who wasn't perfect.
@@karrybosco7966 I'd call you an irrational Karen but I don't want to insult all the Karen's out there.
@@Tia-Louisa you're the idiot. the woman is pregnant and murdered by her husband and he also killed the children and you're focusing on Shanann???
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Another triggered Shiner will do.
Most of them know very little objectively about the case, but can be activated by anything that doesnt jibe with “St Shannon”
Why on earth would another baby even be considered? The money problem and whatever else should be considered before anything.
Exactly my thought 👍
It takes 2 to make a baby
Great analysis. I can’t wait to dive into your other videos!
She had “money sex power” written on her timeline with a photo of her in her infamous leopard dress. I find that interesting.
she was aging like "MILK SEX POULTRY" LOL
I find it creepy lol.
@@Tia-Louisa That leopard outfit was tacky and hideous. It looked more like a Halloween outfit than anything you'd wear to a ''convention''
I'm not surprised. She was very arrogant and conceited.
@@Beatrix1111she was neither arrogant or conceited. She was deeply insecure, entitled, and selfish.
I have seen Shannan's videos and I did not like how conceited she was behind that smile.
Even worse, the way she controls her daughters was not nice at all...
She was very neurotic, so that explains she had a perfect match with Chris...for a few years..m
Great and insightful video. Don’t let the hate comments influence your content in the future. They refuse to critically think because of strong emotional ties to this case.
80% dedicated to MLM and 20% for family...not surprised
YES SHANNAN HAD NO EPITHY FOR BELLA CHRIS SAID SHE IS FRIGHTEN SHANNAN JUST LAUGHED AT CHRIS
It's good to examine things honestly. Thank you sir
I agree. Shannann became a saint in death. She wasn’t. She was not a good mother and not a good wife. She did not deserve to die. None of them did.
Exactly what I've been saying.
@@Tomes23Especially the children :/ the way you formed your sentence sounds like they could be murdered if they did something "deserving"
“IF Chris did it?” He admitted it in great detail
Excellent video! This is one of the most complex murders in recent times with no simple explanation. I think your analysis of Shanann is spot on. I will never be convinced Thrive did not play a huge part in this.
I agree Thrive drove both insane.
Please don t forget what leonard king had to say about her
After years of being perplexed by this case and going deep into the rabbit hole on it, I must admit: Between the doctored discovery, Chris’s refusal to ever say what really happened, and my own examination of what’s available to us regarding Shannan, I have come to my own conclusion that the most likely scenario is filicide, and subsequent suicide or murder, and Chris (along with the Weld county DA and others) is covering for it and will carry it to his grave. If you allow yourself the option to entertain the possibility, then so many aspects of the entire thing begin to make sense. A terrible tragedy for all.
I've come to the same conclusion. I think it was Shannan who strangled the girls. I think that's why she didn't fight back when he was strangling her. MBP ups the odds of being unalived by a parent. Also, she was in a desperate situation. The facade she had carefully curated was crumbling.
She suffocated and abused him and their kids completely in life so he snapped. No excuse for what he did but it is what it is and both families and their friends should have stepped up. Textbook toxic co-dependent situation and ALL the people surrounding them let them down by being complacent. I hope those friends and family feel bad for this.
Oh just stop it. ✋️
@@marleysankor What, stop being realistic and honest. How come you don't like the truth and reality?
@Vicksons_gone_coastal
"The truth and reality" is CW didn't "snap"
that Sociopath by his own admission multiple times for the legal record stated, he premeditated her death.
There is no evidence at all she suffocated and abused him or their babies.
Your opinion and perception are *not* FACTS.
What a crock of crap.
That whole thing was started years ago by CW twisted parents to help get him a 35c which never happened.
Stop blaming the *victim*
Chris Watts premeditated his 3 babies' deaths, too, and also carried them out.
They did nothing to him except loved, adored and trusted him.
Their existence, didn't fit in his plan to have a new life with another woman.
CW was happy in his marriage until, he met his raunchy 2nd fiddle mistress, NK.
Again, by his own admittance for the legal record.
NK was the catalyst, and CW was/is the quadruble murderer.
The Watts should have "stepped up" and got their only son the help he needed from a very young age when he stated, he knew he was different from EVERYONE else around him and he would also, lock himself up in their bathroom for hours at a time constantly growing up BEGGING GOD to forgive him of the *sins he committed*
What sins???..
CW would never tell his own mother what they were & she was "complacent" and did *nothing* at all to find out what all Chris committed repeatedly, that he had to beg forgiveness from God.
His dad was "complacent" and didn't even bother to ask him at all.
He was way too busy spending the family money on co~caine and doing who knows what else.
"The truth and reality" is, Shanann *didn't* cause her own murder.
It's a proven scientific fact, The human brain is fully developed and formed by the age of 25.
Proving, CW was already a sociopathic evil monster with a mask plastered on his face way *BEFORE* he even met Shanann.
Nothing she ever did caused him to do what he did.
Nothing.
I stand on what I said, "Oh just stop it"
@@Tia-Louisa
these shiners usually have little if any objective info about the case. They only know St Shannon good, Chris bad
She told different people different things
yep, she was a habitual liar whose stories would change depending on who she talked to
Chris said she would always resort to threatening him when she didnt get her way and he would relent. I used to not believe him when he said she threatened to never let him see the kids again if he left her but now im not so sure. He didnt want to be in the many videos she took of the family especially the baby reveal video but if you tried to tell her anything that went against what she wanted she would always get angry.
She drank a lot too. Even while pregnant. Numerous vids show this.
My opinion is that CW wasn’t very experienced with the opposite sex.
When he got together with SW, he was punching well above his waist. “Look at me. I’m capable of bagging a looker”.
She liked him because when she wanted him to jump, his response was “how high”. I’m sure his earning capabilities were a major attraction for SW too.
He was tied to his life through debt and fear of the unknown.
SW stepped up her controlling behaviour of CW when he started to lose weight. She couldn’t control other women showing him interest.
Most married men stray because they want something that they aren’t getting at home. Tenderness and real affection.
He was comfortable lying to SW and NK because let’s face it, his home life was a living lie. False, awkward smiles for Facebook. Forced family activities. Everything they did together felt unnatural.
As for SW and her supposed health issues. I have no time for sympathy seekers.
I haven’t been able to hug my Lupus suffering friend for nearly 3 years due to Covid. Hearing SW spew her lies about the condition really boils my piss.
We know for sure that he murdered his children. The idea of Shanann murdering the kids was implanted in his mind by the CBI agent Tammy to get him to confess something! Chris at the time immediately denied Shanann did anything until the very end when he knew he was caught. You should know better than this. Additionally, he confessed to the murders even about Bella asking him “are you going to do the same thing to me you did to Cece”. The law enforcement, DA, etc., investigated this on top of Chris’s full second confession in prison March 2019.
Yet Chris committed the ultimate abuse by methodically murdering his children and pregnant wife than dumped his own kids in oil tanks like pieces of trash devaluing their lives!
Why did he murder the kids? Let’s forget Shanann for a second! It’s not like he just murdered his “narcissistic” wife because he snapped! He brutally murdered his children and all this after several months of having an affair! He even stated this in the second prison interview that if he had never met NK his family would still be alive! What’s wrong with you people?
I don't think she was as sick as she made out to be. Definitely a hypochondriac.
Earning capacity? She could have done much better if that was what she wanted.
Spot on. She was an attn. whore and spending like a drunken sailor. She had no respect for anyone but herself.
@@linseyanne5975 Why didn't she land someone with a better earning capacity then?..He was making 20K more at the dealership than at the oil company. She told him to quit the higher paying job..She divorced her husband who was an attorney..You think landing a man with a stable steady job and good medical insurance is easy?... Actually, she could have attained a steady stable job herself, but she did not want to work
Thank you. Some honest intelligent commentary
Idk… all I know is that she treated her husband like shit… you could see it on camera .. every time he said something she would ignore him or make some sort of cut down remark. Chris was wrong for killing her and the kids but I truly believe he snapped .
What happened it’s terrible and sad. It no matter what she did or not. That was a very horrible relationship and he should of had left her, but who knows what was in both of their minds:
He felt trapped, and all of a sudden with the new affair, he wanted to be free, :>(
Nidialeon, humor me! Why should he have been the one to leave? He had a job
He earned money
He owned the home. The Lexus was in his name and therefore his. She did nothing but make insipid videos all day long sitting on her immobile derriere. She's not the one who took care of the littles. I believe she could've done that from a little efficiency apartment. Why should he have left HIS home? Very eager for your input on this! 💜
@@JolynnRansom-zb3ow
Hey girl ! It's Debbie from groups. I just stumbled on you while reading here.
This is a brave and accurate analysis.
Brave how? This mook focused on Shannan's "issues." You know what most husbands who aren't psychopaths do if they can't live with their wives "issues?" They fuckin divorce them. Move on. Pay child support and see their kids every other weekend or whatever. They don't kill the wife and the 3 kids. Sheesh. This shit isn't rocket science.
She seemed very depressed to me
Some women should simply not have children.
That is an absolute FACT!
Lot more then some
When I saw her unilaterally decide they were gonna have a third child despite crippling debt and live stream his response I thought "no, I don't think this woman is a nice person"
She didn't make them all by herself. There is a procedure for men too. Just like he had the option to divorce, he chose to murder his entire family!
I know lots of men and women that ignore their children, aren't engaged with their children's activities, because their faces are buried in their phone screen! Y'all are hanging this 1 woman as it she is the only one doing that! Yes, there are many women AND men who don't deserve the children they are blessed with. There are women that have baby after baby with different fathers and some are abandoned by BOTH parents. There are so many family dynamics that exist in this fast world that wants to go faster and faster and still it isn't fast enough. I'm gonna ask any one of you from who made the original comment or anyone that replied to it, do you see anything in your life that could use some improvement? What about in yourself? How you treat others, Do you look at people in public and when you see someone unique, you criticize their hair, clothes, make-up, tattoos etc... Y'all, no matter how this woman lived her life, do you believe she deserved to die because of it? If she hadn't been murdered by her husband along with their beautiful babies, would you even have known who she was?
Like Nicole Kessinger. I hope you don't mean Shan'ann.
Wow, phenomenal video!!!!! You are saying things that have been on my mind for over 4 years!! I commend you for this content, please keep them coming 👍
There is a lot of people seeing things now. Her family behaviour is appalling
@@catherinerickard699⛳️
Excellent and well thought out video!! I couldn't agree more. Thank you for stating the truth rather than go with the narrative as my others do. Thank you again for this! Great job!
Brilliant analysis. Well done!