Into the Wild & The Urge to Escape into Nature
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
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In this video, I discuss the message of the book/film Into the Wild (by Jon Krakauer), the philosophy of Chris McCandless, and the relationship between nature and mental health.
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How Chris McCandless Died | The New Yorker
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Does 'The Wild Truth' Tell the True Story of Chris McCandless? | Outside
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Nurtured by nature | American Psychological Association
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@@21700r Why not just enjoy the video? We don’t want to hear about your politics and beliefs
Henry David Thoreau was "roughing it" in "the wild" while his mom and sister trekked out there to bring him food and do his laundry...
I laughed out loud when she said that. It was hard to have sympathy for him by that point 😂
i believed he sincerely bought into his own bullshit because he deluded himself to be above such things. something like "i'm a singular independent manly but sensitive man who need no one but Mother Nature to fuel my transcendent af thinking. My mundane physical and insignificant needs are just things to consume like my mundane and insignificant mother and sister who do my mundane and insignificant food and mundane and insignificant laundry."
to be fair : www.thoreaulivinghistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ranalli-2021-laundry-concord-saunterer.pdf
"Laundry was “the American housekeeper’s hardest problem” in Thoreau’s day, and it remained so throughout the nineteenth century, despite the best efforts of technologists, entrepreneurs, and social reformers, as well as philosophers. Thoreau probably regretted not figuring out a way to manage clothes-washing for himself. But if spoiled twenty-first century critics want to fault him for it: Let he whose own clothes are washed by hand cast the first stone."
genuinely don't understand the thoreau slander, like whats your issue with him exactly? laundry back then wasn’t what it is today. this objection to thoreau is historically illiterate.
I cracked tf up when she said his mother did his laundry too!
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Seconded, thanks for mentioning this in such a thoughtful way.
Love this and had the same thought, but wouldn't have expressed it in such a thoughtful way. Thanks for raising the issue.
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He needed to join a commune. I think he was looking for a connection with like minded people but was so alienated by the people he was around he didnt think there were places to go where people were on the same page as him.
Communes and homestead communities are popping off atm. I honestly see the appeal. Living today is an endless battle, a bottomless well of consumerism and you simply cant win and so you naturally get to a point where you become exhausted
This tbh. Any modern homesteader will tell you that a community will make the experience not only more fruitful, but longer lasting. I think Chris would've been much happier traveling with the people he met along the way rather than just dying alone in the frozen wilderness or going back to his family life.
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I really like this video, and I think it pushes close to an extremely important critique of toxic independence. It's such a deeply US red herring and misunderstanding. Community, real community, is the real solution.
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I can't tell you how much I needed this video essay at this time in my life! I'm physically disabled and the dream to escape into nature has never been more at the forefront of my mind and less possible for me. I've had moments of transcendence in my own backyard with my own bed footsteps away.
There’s also this bizarre dualism we imagine between “Nature” and “humanity,” as if humans, and human communities, aren’t natural. Of course, that’s what the Tolstoy and Pasternak passages you highlighted at the end tell us, but getting to a true understanding of those passages, I think, means getting beyond this dualism. This doesn’t mean we don’t critique the ethical issues that plague human communities, that divide is from one another and from the rest of nature. Rather it’s that it seems to me we must rest these critiques in the understanding that we and our communities are natural. And thus we bear responsibilities toward one another, and toward the rest of nature.
So true. Thats something that I feel western cultures in particularly has evolved and been structured over time to forget! The industrial revolution really hammered in a "nature is a resource that we bend to our wants"" . The cultural narrative of individualistic living has also helped to seperate us from community and for a lot of people nature aswell I feel. I've never been someone who really resonated with the hippy movements of communes etc. But as I have gotten older I've really begun to understand the whole ""humans are as much a part of nature as we are with eachother".
As a misanthrope, I fully understand how humans are meant to live as part of nature, not apart from it. However, we have destroyed this connection as a species because we are delusional, and the world we have created has only made life more miserable for most of us. We cause more destruction and suffering now than we did 10,000 years ago. We are meant to live in small, tightly-knit communities. Our society is the complete opposite and encourages misanthropy. Of course I hate humans that I don't know, whom haven't gained my trust, and I'll never see them again. But my family is my tribe, and I love them with all my heart. It's sad we live so unnaturally, and its understandable that so many want to return to nature. But it will never be the same again, and the best we can do is find our tribe.
@@sadoompaloompa I’d argue that this misanthropy and distrust you’re expressing are themselves the result of the very issues you’re critiquing. And that your surrender to them, to a particular form of programming that is necessary for tue continuation of these issues, is a massive part of the problem. Step one: Reject misanthropy, fear, and tribalism full stop, given that they are the epistemological roots of racism, sexism, heterosexual, transphobia, fascism in all forms, environmental degradation war, capitalism, etc. Step two: Use your imagination to think of at least five different ways a world of 20 billion people living in harmony, equity, and peace with one another / the rest of the natural world could look like. Step three: Begin changing yourself to match these possibilities, and helping other to do the same.
Until then, you are personally part of the problem. Do better.
As a great man once said "If you're sad now, you might still feel sad there."
unless the reason for you being sad is rooted in where you are, then you might not.
"if everywhere you go smells like poo, check the bottom of your shoe" - some old guy
“Everywhere you go, there you are.” Beautiful encapsulation of the inherent issue with seeking extrinsic sources of happiness. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and analysis
he is a typical example of someone seeing a real problem but taking it to an unhealthy extreme
I fully admit, I used to feel that similar urge to disappear into the wilderness and forsake society... that is... until I found myself in a truly loving family. My family or origin has lots of struggle, addiction, and generational trauma wrapped up in it. I loved Chris's story when I was still living in that situation: I just thought he didn't do it well enough.
But that urge has nearly gone away now that I am with my husband and have been fully adopted by his family. They are loving and genuinely care about me, and have shown me what family can be. I could never f-off into the wilderness because I would miss them, miss their company, miss their love.
I am lucky - but community and love truly have made all of the difference.
I agree with the cautionary tale theory. Isolation is the opposite of what humans need. I've always seen his story as a creative, if not beautiful, suicide.
take a vacation. a long one. humans can suck. but we need them. find the good ones. and realize they will make mistakes too. use your privilege and wealth (if you have it) to contribute. burning money is empty and ego driven. running away is attachment. letting go is acceptance.
I can understand why some people romanticize this book and Chris' ideals as there is this very base desire to leave the troubles of the world behind and escape into the natural world free from people and worldly constrains. However, I always found the book and movie to have an underlining feeling of sadness and loss beneath the beauty of the natural landscapes. I see Chris' story as a tragic, cautionary tale. Some Alaskan natives had constantly told Chris to turn back before the huge floods came but said Chris sadly did not heed their advice. Yes, we can find beauty, calm, and bliss in the natural world. Nature can indeed be a healing balm, and there are days where I love to take quiet nature walks alone. While nature can help heal, we still need that human interaction. It breaks my heart that Chris' adventure ended as it did, but I do hope that he did find beauty in the people he met and nature that he encountered.
I normally love your videos (the ones on Studio Ghibli were a standout for me!) but I stopped watching at the betterhelp sponsorship segment. I understand that it segues smoothly, but I'd honestly prefer to watch a raid shadow legends segment than a segment shilling for a brand that has broken public trust (and consumer legislation) multiple times. It was a really interesting introduction to into the wild though, so I'm off to find another essay on it.
I named my dog Alexander Supertramp (Tramp) after reading this book. I was so moved by this tragic story. Not to mention the haunting and beautiful Eddie Vedder soundtrack. Tramp is 15 now and living his best life :)
He was really irresponsible and reckless but to be mad at him, after all his sister revealed, IMO is like blaming a depressed person for being lazy. People in pain do dumb things, if we don't strive to understand we're all the worse for it.
And I both read the book and watched the movie and not for one second I thought it was glorifying him.
THANK YOU. I know the revelation of his trauma came out well after the book & film, but it never surprised me. And it makes me flinch when critics hurl angry attacks at him (well, his memory…) using words like “arrogant” and “selfish.” He was tragically unwise, yes, but I never got the sense he was trying to hurt anyone else, and ultimately only punished himself.
I often wish to be dropped in an endless rolling field of green grass and just stay there indefinitely. Those kind of liminal spaces that people find creepy look so peaceful to me.
This is the best video essay channel on this site right now in my opinion, literally the best I know of or have come across, and it doesn't compute to me how you're not getting the corresponding viewership. The level of insight and thoughtfulness, mixed with a healthy realism and critical analysis of the material and topics you cover, is unmatched. Really, truly, well done!
I remember reading Into the Wild in middle school. I've always been a bit less nature-focused than my siblings, but I definitely think there is something appealing about taking time to not worry about the same things all the same time. Although, somewhat ironically, the survival driven concerns like food end up being a different version of that. I wonder if part of why that is romanticized is the more apparent reality of it, versus the more nebulous goals that are more common when living with people.
I remember ‘Wild’ by Cheryl Strayed and being thoroughly invested to the point of saying, “Girl, I get it.”
He was incredibly reckless of course but wasn't that kind of the point. To live life without rules and judgement
I've gotten that urge to just "walk off into the wilderness" before too -- and I'm a child of civilization, a lover of creature comforts; I've never been camping in my life. What is that?
Probably because the vast majority of human history we didn't live like this. You have the urge to go back to what's natural even if it's not practical.
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I've struggled with misanthropic thoughts and tendancies for a long time too. I actually watched Into the Wild because my grandmother told me I needed to watch it and she sobbed a bit when she said it. I'm not foolish enough to go out to Alaska unprepared for an extended stay though. I mostly just wanna do a two week camping trip with only the bear essentials. I have no grand delusions about being some kind of woodsy survival king out of nowhere but the desire does strike me from time to time. People are so often disappointing, you just kinda have to accept it. We disappoint ourselves too, some in big ways some in little ways but we're better about sweeping it under the rug because we don't like to see that it's there.
I loved the video by the way, idk if my comment makes that obvious or not, resonated super hard. Also a good sign that my algo might be finally turning around.
It is the power of nature itself that inspires us to become more powerful.
Omggg I read Into the Wild for my Lang class’s transcendentalism unit. Krakauer is so captivating with how he writes. Reading the book feels like sitting down and having a conversation with someone. It’s remarkable.
I've had similar feelings of wanting to go into nature and escape from everything. There's something so nice about not having to exist in society and be able to just be a human being. I felt that way a lot when I was super depressed for some years and was suicidal and overwhelmed with everything, I was also just starting to realize that i was transgender and was dealing with rejection from my mom who I'm really close to. Joining a 12 step program for families/friends of alcoholics (al-anon), starting my transition, and a lot of therapy have helped so much and I can see that I was romanticizing the idea of nature and that the reality wouldn't have helped me as much as getting to know who I am and healing relationships with my family. I still love nature and I think it's necessary for our wellbeing but it won't fix your inner trauma and pain. Those feelings follow you wherever you are, until you face them and begin to heal.
I'll say that I understand wanting to get out of our society and experience the natural world but Chris was selfish and irresponsible. I love nature. I always have. It can truly help someone's mind and mental health. But I also respect nature and I know it is stronger than me. When I go into it I make sure that I'm prepared. Chris disregarded the advice given to him and was incredibly reckless the whole time. He should have done his research and made sure he went into the situation more prepared, but he didn't care and he truly suffered the ultimate consequences. That's the part that pisses me off the most. Not bringing a map, not knowing about the area, especially the river and alternative routes, and not listening to the driver who told him he was unprepared was all just so reckless. I agree with the locals who find him disrespectful. He didn't respect the strength of the natural world around him.
I think, to some extend, he didn't care about the dangers of nature because he didn't care for his own life. He could have died, he wouldn't have cared about it. That's why he was so reckless. There definitely was some underlying undiagnosed mental health issue, and by the end of his journey, he started to want to go back to civilisation, maybe because he started to find worth in himself again....
Yep. I'm from family that has all done camping and hiking for generations and he was arrogant in his under-preparation.
great comment. I remember watching this movie for the first time as 16yo girl and being so moved by it, I resonated a lot with his perception of the world, how people treat eachother and how everything revolves around money and I admired his dedication to leave it all behind.
Then my dad watched it and only commented how stupid he was to leave with no preparation 😅 I was so angry that his logical mind was "not getting it" but now after almost 10 years I couldn't agree more, not only he delibarately didn't prepare, he was arrogant thinking of nature so little and basically acting like a teenager who thinks he's undestructible.
The people who say Chris didn't respect nature and was reckless baffle me. No shit. That's not a profound thing to say. Think Chris didn't know that while he died alone in the wilderness? Do we really need the "he wasn't smart" analysis about a guy who made mistakes and died from them? Is that what you need to feel smart?
I wonder if Chris would do any of what he did if UA-cam existed for him lol.
He who leaves merely alters his horizons, but not himself.
That’s wonderfully put
As someone who's frequently out in nature and likes it generally.
It doesn't cure you, if you're really unwell (mentally)
you'll only carry that with you into the woods and take it right back home.
Garbage in Garbage out 4:00
Awesome video, enjoyed start to finish
All roads lead home, so try make home cool. A place you want to be
When I first saw this movie as a young man I thought it was the dream, now older I see that he could have gone further with more research and ability to compromise who he thought he was ❤
This is a great video. Also, your voice is super soothing. 😄
Thank you for this enlightened analysis !!!
great analysis!
Great video. great take on this story. This was my first time with your content, but I will subscribe. Thanks
I understand the desire to break the chains of society’s toxic rigors. The drive to seek and live a simple life connected to the natural environment and its beauty. However filling your reading list with fiction and running into the wilderness was always going to end badly. There were plenty of books he could have grabbed that would have insured his survival far before he ever made it to that bus. He did find and read his first book on toxic plants until the bus. At the very least he could have picked up a book on Native American herbal medicine or how indigenous Alaskan tribes have survived for centuries in the same region. He wasn’t a “survivalist”, he was immature. The facts surrounding how he died what caused it, imagine being starving having food but not being able to eat because you poisoned yourself, was completely unnecessary.
The answer is (not) a hut in the woods
I really found that video cathartic
3:26 That sounds like self exiting behavior. Manic
cool totoro shirt!
Why would I absolutely fall in love with and then get my heart broken by Chris???
Truly though, beautiful video.
incredible video
Nothing wrong with going wild but you can find truth everywhere. I find truth in martial arts and playing chess. It is all there if you look around.
I needed to hear this so much. Thank you.
Even the most determined hermit goes to town once a year for salt and gunpowder.
I wish I were a vagabond in the 80's/90's. If you tried to do that now there'd be a bunch of instagram influencers at the bus upon arrival. Too busy everywhere now.
The problem with Chris is that he wasn't prepared or skilled enough to do what he was gonna do. Had he taken a year to train with a seasoned outrdoorsman, he would've survived if not thrived. But Chris' issues really stem from his family and his alienation from them by materialism and convenience. Chris would've been better suited to live with the people he met along the way rather than die alone.
Have you read, Tracks? There is a movie on it too. The best. ❤
YOU QUOTED NERUDA😮 He is incredibly underrated as a Latino voice in the huge writing space. I as a Mexican can really appreciate you bringing the Latinx voice to this typically very Anglo space!
What is nature but man's attempt to separate itself from the rest of God's creations
Shopping malls & unbridled lust for profit has absolutely nothing to do with God bro
The true problems of humanity can only be fixed from inside the system. We can only run for so long. You gotta make a stand sometime.
Let’s go
It was good movie
Many will say (especially Alaskans) that he was just a fool on a noble quest for the meaning of being alive. And I’m one of them, I can’t condone the way he treated his journey, the wild didn’t beat him, he beat himself by rejecting humanity in favor of beautiful desolation, wether he intended it or not doesn’t matter, it _was_ a suicidal mission. ‘Truth’ isn’t worth pursuing if in the end you’ll be unable to go back to humanity with new knowledge because you died a completely avoidable death.
Mmm id saybthat being in nature truly (hard, hungry, on the edge,) you do cut out the false part and leave only the animal.
Burning cash instead of donating, ok I have no sympathy for this guy, annoyed me like Old lady rose throwing the blue diamond in the ocean
I would rather die a 1000 deaths surrounded by nature than 1 death in a hospital, i had a happy childhood, this world we have created for ourselves saddens me deeply, i never chose to be a part of this shit show, for me the ultimate goal is to get out and experience the real world, not the one we manufactured.
Eh. I dont see any reason to criticize or get annoyed at what Chris did. It was his life and he chose what he wanted to do with it. I think he was well aware of the risks and was willing to take them in order to break out of the restrictive society we live in. He did a super courageous thing in truly cutting all the ties that he knew were holding him back. Not many of us would ever have the balls to fully reject all the trappings of modern life to the extent he did.
He died due to series of unfortunate and avoidable mistakes. Not because he rejected capitalism, cut ties with his family or decided to live in nature. It could have easily gone differently if he'd been a bit more prepared and knowledgeable.
Of course every capitalist out there will try to use his story as some kind of proof that our society is the only way to survive. They have to protect their wealth creating machine at all costs.
I have huge respect for Chris and his choices because from the age of 12 until now (40), I wanted to do the same thing. But I bottled out and got caught in society's trap and now I can't escape it.
My life within society will achieve absolutely nothing except to leave behind a couple of new workers to be endlessly exploited for profit just as I have been.
Every one of us is worth more than that.
don't escape the system fellas, stay enslaved.
Beautiful. Things that took me a very long time to understand myself and heal through.