Pick The BEST String Material for Recurve Style Bows | Barebow & Traditional Too
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2020
- I often get asked a lot of questions about string material preference of the top recurve shooters in the world. People also ask a lot about how many strands to use on their bow. Ill cover those plus more in this video.
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Re: Dyneema SK75 vs SK99, Dyneema is no longer manufacturing the sk75, as for the majority of their industry (ropes) the sk99 is all they use due to the properties, this is why X has been replaced with X99, and 452X has been replaced with 454
Some limb manufacturers will not cover warranty if you use any material with an X (vectran) blend...
Good tips. Agree vectran is NOT the way to go on a recurve.
Oh, and Brownell did go under, but has been bought out by another company, whether this still works given the current climate will be interesting to see... (I use almost exclusively BCY and some Angel for strings I make, though Angel is getting stupidly expensive, so it gets reserved for my personal stuff ;-) )
I thought they stop SK90 instead of SK75... otherwise 452x, 8125, and D97 still in production.
Because of the discontinuation of SK90 they replace BCY-X with 99X, and 8190 with Mercury. Correct me if I am wrong.
Wan R you could be right, all the information I looked up was about a year ago, and there’s no up to date stuff on BCY (they don’t even list 454 as a material available).. I’m happy to be educated though!
@@JakeKaminskiArchery i educate the same to my fellow recurve and barebow archers, yet some of them are too fixated with speed gains from the vectran blended materials.
Maybe you can do another video why you did not recommend any vectran blend materials.
This answered so many questions and concerns. Thank you!
Finally someone who could clarify that! Thanks a lot!
@Jake Kaminski I'm enjoying binge watching your channel and realizing that most of what I deduced on my own is wrong. The vast majority of archers in my area shoot compound, which means I'm left to navigate the recurve world on my own. You are an oasis of knowledge in my desert of recurve experience.
Wow. Finally A perfect explanation from a world class source! Subbed and liked. 👍🏼
Thank you Jake. Any of your instructions as a piece of gold for the archery enthusiasts.
Awesome, thank you very much. This is the best video I have come across on this topic
Great to hear!
Great video, thanks! I agree with you totally. At 37 lbs I shot 18 strands of FF+, but recently I changed to Spectra.
Great stuff, i appreciate the time and effort.
Thanks for the video, stay healthy! From Spain
Thank you for all your videos. You are a legend! I am returning to archery and setting up for barebow. You quite literally have all the answers to my questions. Massive thanks from me over in the UK.
Thank you for this info. I've never read or heard most of this concerning string materials on the spectrum from stiff to soft you showed.
Just trying to simplify the data out there to help educate the masses to make better rational decisions on equipment!
Amazing about the sound. Watched a few shoots on UA-cam - there's a definite difference. Never paid attention to it until now.
It is amazing that a "primitive" weapon, in the 21st century has become such a highly technical subject. Thanks for the info.
Jake you got this and doing a great job
Thank you so much
Lots of valueable infos. Thx
Constantly amased of how this world works .. When you drew up the strands on the whiteboard, it looked exactly like the depictions of different Corona strains that are all over the news these days ... Hmm ????? P.s. I have shot olympic recurve, trad. And compound on and off since 1974 yet I learn a lot from your videos, thanks.
I just found this video in a UA-cam search and certainly needed it because I'm ordering components for an intermediate ILF target-recurve setup "even as we speak." Jake, your explanation was clear, logical, and immensely helpful. Like commenter "Hot Chihuahua," below, I'm 70 years old, and the softer, more forgiving qualities of the #659 string you highly recommend sound just right to me. Thank you very much.
Jake, 652 is a available from 60x but like you I’ve given up making my own strings and buy them ready made.
The explanation u gave of the Brownell is very similar to something I used to do. I've never made a bowstring but I've strung hundreds of tennis rackets. Gut tennis strings were natural & very similar to the 652. However it does fray under certain conditions like the Dyneema. The other strings u described would very more for feel like most of the synthetic tennis strings out there. But after a while synthetic strings after a feel months will sound & feel brittle which isn't the case with Natural Gut. I usually used the oil filled Synthetic Gut which was the best of both worlds but there's no substitute for Natural Gut which has always been the Gold Standard.
Great video bro 👍👍👍
Jake, Looks like Brownell Bowstring was acquired by a Canadian company.
Here's from their website:
On October 26, 2019, The Badinotti Group of Companies announced the acquisition of all intellectual assets, patents, trademarks, brands and processes of Brownell Archery, Connecticut, USA.
Dyneema only strings are the way to go on a recurve, especially traditional recurves. I don't know when D97 came out, but it is basically the same thing as 8125. It is just as fast as any other fastflight material, but has a tiny bit of give so it softens the shot without losing speed. That tiny bit of give could cause a peep sight to rotate though, so I wouldn't use it on a compound.
Over the decades I spun up and shot a LOT of DF'97 strings for recurves and longbows, never had a problem with it as long as I kept the strand count the same as I would with polyester strings (B50, B55). Going down in DF'97 strand counts ("skinny strings") made for squirrely shooting strings. Keeping the strand count up drastically reduced stretching but in a safe manner. These dayze, Spectra is just the better compromise, at least for me.
When I started in archery everybody used dacron. Then kevlar was introduced so we started using it because it gave higher velocity. Dacron would stretch with time and your brace height would change, kevlar never stretched so it was very consistent when making a string and brace height was consistent. It was surely harsher but we didn't notice it. We were mostly using Hoyt Takedown II and never had any damage to the limbs. Kevlar would only last about 1/3 as long, maybe 1000 shots each, so we had to keep track of the shots on our strings and not use a well worn string during competition.
Kevlar was the worst string material ever. Thankfully I never spun one up and stuck with B50 back in the 70s, and that proved a good move as I saw a Hoyt GM blow its limbs in a local tournament - talk about a scary moment.😱
Gonna try bcy652 someday 🏹
Thanks for that it has cleared my question as to 8125 or 652, im more shooting trad bows for 3D and field. I have just finished the last spool of Brownell which said Dyaneema 75 fastflight. Ive had the materila for many years. I will try the 652.
I noticed on our uk supliers website it states that for 652 18 to 24 strands tho. And for 8125 12 to 18.
If you say its the same thickness from bcy then ill check it when it arrives.
PS how about a video on the minefield or serving threads out there? For the average archer making there own strings they are probably looking for one thread type to serve centre and loop ends.
Interesting, I have always preferred BCY-X and X99 for recurves, because it was quieter than 8125. I also seemed to get more consistent velocities. Somehow I was under the impression X and X99 had a little more give to them than 8125. I guess I was looking/thinking about it wrong.
Jake, thank you for this video. You're doing a great service to archery. What are your thoughts on Angel Majesty 777 string material, which I'm hearing is a new favorite among top recurve archers.
Dear Jake
Thankful for for the explanation on Recurve bowstrings you can make the same system to the strings for the compound please..
I have been shooting BCY D97 since the early 90's and it still works well but the strand is a bit thicker than the 8125. I talked to the BCY reps at Vegas and they said it is the exact same material but the 8125 is a bit thinner and a single 8125 strand is made up of 4 separate strands woven together into a single strand while the D97 is a single strand, so only solid colors are available. . This allows them to make the variegated colors in the 8125 material.
This is correct. And mercury is smaller because it’s woven with less strands.
If this is your recommendation don't look into modern trad hunting bows it'll terrify you 😄 majority of bow hunters and trad bow shooters are using from 12 to 14 standards of any given bowstring materials, they call everything FastFlight, with exception of B-50 material.
Personally I use 12 strands ( fortified to 16 - 18 strands in the loops, flemish twist ) of 8125 for 45# bows ( very quiet and fast string ) 18 str. for 65# recurve, but again as trad bow hunters we shoot a very heavy arrows, 500 gr is the lightest I've ever shot. But I totally respect your expertise, learned a lot from you, thanks 👍
Flemish twist B55 for tradbows, endless DF97 -or- B55 for recurves.
20 years ago I switched to fast flight and less strands of string to gain a little speed , never thought about the stress it put on the limbs !
Based on your recommendations I’ll get the 652 with 20 strands on my 42 pound limbs ! With my almost 70 year old body my limb joints need a little softness ! 😁
I agree - speed may do more harm than good, as speed can kill. There was the "skinny string" craze of decades ago with HMPE uber low strand count strings that mostly proved to be detrimental in several ways and one was loss of shot "stability" due to how skinny strings would vibrate. These dayze I use Spectra exclusively for "competitive bows". Much nicer on my now 78 year old body. 😎
I personally shot from 8125G and 8190F and the first one felt better for me. Others on the other hand liked 8190F more.
Careful with 8190. It’s towards the stiffer/harsher side and can be costly $$ (limbs)
nice coach👍😊
What’s your thoughts on using B-55 on recurves or older recurves
Hi Jake,
thanks for this lesson! I guess this is the best explenation around string material on YT.
I tried out many different stringtypes and at the end I decided to use 8125. But after your video I want to check out the Mercury, yust to see what the thickness of the strands makes to the feeling of the shot.
Did you compare the arrow speed by using different string material?
I haven’t seen much of a change to be honest.
If at any point you start doing affiliate links for Amazon Canada I'll do my day to day shopping with your links haha less to Amazon more to you haha.
Good job, what do you think of the string silencer you put on the string?
If you wax your string, it helps to round of the string if you are using thick strands.
12:20 I certainly think that roundness is very esoteric reasoning.
Hi Jake,
Love what you're doing, thank you and you've helped me massively. I prefer stiff bow strings. Could you advise me on number of strands to use. I'm holding 72lbs at 28", with medium limbs (Border Hex 7.5s) on 23" riser. Using string stops to and bottom and BCY652, 20 strands. But its creeping. Your advice would be much appreciated.
Hi Adam, that is one beefy bow.. I would suggest using a thinner fibre like Fury, this allows you to run higher strand count for more stability. Also prestretch your string under 100lb tension for 24 hours. That should eliminate any creep, you might have to make the string 1/2-1" shorter or add a lot of twists.Basically at that weight you want to treat the string like a compound string, but use a vectran-free fibre. There are a few pure dyneema compound fibres, all should work well for you.
Sound is so subjective, but I can't seem to get any of the softer strings to be "quiet" on my setup. I never have. I have always had my quietest sets with BCY-X. I know the X is supposed to be bad, but I've never had adverse affects. I can't get 8125 or 652 to behave quietly. Weird though that I can get Angel Majesty to act quietly, but not 8125 or 652.
awsome video, I have learned soo much from your videos and stuff that nobody could explain.
However I cannot find a single website where they can make a string with bcy652 material. I can find websites that sell a spindle with bcy 652 but nowhere a website that can make a string with it
Can somebody help me? Or maybe I am confused and missed something?
What do you think of the string silencer you put on the string?
Thanks a lot for this information ! I was wondering if you would recommend a different amount of strands depending on the draw height ? I have a long draw height (almost 33") and I was wondering if it could be nice for me to ad something like 2 strands (22strands at 48#).
For draw weighs of 46# and over, I always recomend 22 strands.
What do you think of Bloodline material?
I did buy your book on tuning my bow. Do you have a book on making a string. I just bought a string jig.
Would like the best way. Hint hint advise? Lol
Hey there, I couldn't find in your channel (if you have one, could you drop me a link?), but do you have a recommendation on resource for learning how to build our strings?
I'm totally new to archery but in all my hobbies I'm a bit of a gear nerd, so I would live to learn. Or do you recommend buying a pre-made string at first?
Lastly, how to tell the length of string we need?
Thank you for any input! You definitely earned a subscriber. Best content I have seen in recurve and barebow!
You can order strings either by accurately measuring the one you wish to replace. Or by simply quoting your bow length: 66" 68" 70" etc
I have borrowed a mercury 30 strands, but wont able to nock an arrow with Easton small pin nock, may I know the size of the serving you are using?
Thanks for this information. Where is the best reference for recommendations on strand count and serving diameter depending on poundage? Thanks!
Adam power I gave you the strand count, serving diameter is for nock fit only. I don’t have a reference for that yet but I will be making a nocking fit video to help with that question.
BCY has strand counts on their site
I moved up from 8125G to Mercury last year, it feels more sharp but it stiffer on fingers at the same time. Not sure which is better long run. Shooting at 38lbs
I tried it out also. I really do like the thin strands, big difference for low poundage. I use 20 strands for 28lbs and 26 strands for 40+ lbs. I placed myself in middleground but 26 strands. It fits small groove 088". 26 Feels like a bit thick for my taste. But wouldn't like to go back to FF(652) or SK75(8125) because of the better feeling and snappiness.
Hi Jake, for the loop of the string what you suggest the BCY Halo the one to use for the serving or the BCY 3D?
Normally with the 8125 I use 16 strands, if I wanna try the mercury how many you suggest?
Thanks
I think maybe you can cover serving materials as well. Maybe not as important as the string material itself, but could be crucial.
I will be
Halo for all my center servings and it's either Halo or Nylon for endless loop serving.
What about flex archery serving evo-15 0.9 ? Is it good
Hi Jake,
In your Apptitune app, you mentioned that you used a 26-strand 8125 string on a 52lbs bow, which should just require 22 strands according to this video and the Apptitune app. How do you determine if you need more/less strands compared to your recommendation?
That was when I was experimenting a lot. I wouldn’t go over 20 strands with what I know now.
Can I use 652 spectra on uukha gobi 45# limbs? How many strands do you recommend?
I just ordered a roll of BCY 55, for my 45 lb recurve, I'm a survivalist so I'm learning to do Flemish twist instead since I can do it without a jig, how many strands would you suggest for that?
This may be a dumb question, but where does Dacron land on this scale? I decided to start making my own strings and got some cheap rolls of Dacron to practice with. My bow is very loud, but this is the only string I've ever really used on it, so I don't have much to compare it to. I'm assuming Dacron is very stiff because it advertises "low stretch" . Probably much more on the Vectran side of the scale? (Looks like Dacron and B-55 are supposed to be very similar? Not sure where B-55 lands on here either)
Where did you buy that cool t-shirt?
Hi Jake. Good explanation about strings material and strands numbers. There must be some relationship between the number of strands and the weight of the string. In reality, we are playing with a mass that moves at great speed. Is there any advice regarding the weight of the string? Many thanks
Not really, it’s difficult to build strings the same weight as is with the same materials from string to string. Color difference, dye amounts material, servings etc make a large difference.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I agree. Many variables to be able to establish a rule. Tks
Awesome video! What thread counts do you recommend for B55? Also, where does DY97 fit in your scale?
D97 is 8125 just thicker strands
B55 is "Dacron" (100% polyester) and a tad more tensile strength than B50 - use the B50 charts for strand counts, which are just a guesstimate of sorts anyway.
What your recommendation for barebow...
A question,
what is the diameter of these strands? Thanks.
Hi Jake,
What is your view on Angel Majesty? Have you ever used it?
It’s just 8125 with a resin coating instead of wax. Kinda neat but not overly impressed.
With 652 being "spongier" would that result in a slower arrow, i.e. 8125 has a harsher feel because it is transferring more energy into the string?
8125 is the fastest bowstring material you can get.
I still use dacron since I'm still learning target archery. where I'm from they always make 12 strand dacron strings. interesting that you recommend 16 strand.
would you still recommend 12 strand for dacron too?
Dacron strands are too thick..i also use them for my bow with non reinforced limbs tip..for recreational shooting..
I think I need to write this down
What about the "new" Carreara 99 string?
Fast Flight is a Spectra btw. BCY's 652 Spectra says: "same as the original Fast Flight..."
Yes, as implied/mentioned in the video 👍
Heck. That dark spot on the wall above Jake's head at the very top (shadow of a nail?) and the bright spot on the right at the height of his shoulder are totally freaking me out. I did check three times if my screen has bad pixels...
I need a new backdrop, one day!
Hi Jake, can a Flemish bowstring be used on recurve bow or should it only be used on traditional bows?
Doesn't matter, either endless or Flemish is fine for either longbow or recurve ... however, I prefer the faster and more precise build of endless for recurves and Flemish for longbows.
Have I got your idea right that Brownell Fast Flight Plus, BCY 652 Spectra and Fast Flight are different names of one type of string material with minor differences?
652 spectra and fast flight are exactly the same. Brownell fast flight plus is slightly different.
Ok great info. Now I’m a hunting traditional old bow hunting archer. I shoot bows from the 1960’s and early 70’s. What string material is safe to shoot with that type bow? I know much your info geared to Olympic style shooters but we old school have questions also. Thank you for you Channel.
The original fast flight was invented in the late 80s so any bow older than that was designed to be used with a Dacron string. Using fast flight you risk destroying the limb tips.
@@Ihwaz13 what would you use on bows from the 60’s
@@billnordby3142 I would use any Dacron string: Brownwell B50, if you can still find it, or BCY B55. If you search for Dacron strings you should find it. It might also be a good idea to use flemmish spliced strings rather than endless strings as they have a little more give and thus put less strain on the limbs.
What you can say about Angel bowstring material ASB MAJESTY PRO
It’s the same as 8125 with just a coating of resin on it. Nothing too special.
Hi Jake! Can you help me? Can you please rate this type of bow string from good to best.
BCY 452
X99
Angel 777
Only those type of strings are available here in a near archery shop. I hope you can help me. Thank you!
Can you use a say 60lb. Strand fishing line to make a fast flight like bow string? It will have no stretch to it.
Generally that is braided material and is not suited for string material. Chances are it is over priced compared to raw string material too. Now would I use archery serving as fishing line? yes.
But Jake, while adding number of strings don't we have to consider the nock width? Too many or too loose and nock won't fit.
Just adjust the size of the center serving along with the strand change, you can use small or large groove depending on your needs.
Bcy Mercury is my favourite so far. Many small strands sk99 dynema. Very quick, maybe to quick. Almost double strand count due to the thin strands.
where would angel majesty 777 fit on the spectrum?
i'm guessing somewhere between the 652 and 8125?
I don't know if the 777 is different then just majesty but IIRC majesty is 8125 with resin in the string instead of wax, that's how burnishing the string makes it solid.
What about 8190? And what about 8125g?
ok but what about dacron?
Hi Jake, By just looking at the string (no labeled reel) how to know if it is a BCY or Dyneema or Fastflight, etc.?
Thanks in advance
Im sure there is, but very hard to identify.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery have you ever tested the breaking stretch point of the various single strand bow strings? (Just curious to know at what lbs & cm stretched does the string snap so I can use as a guideline to also test the strings that I have)
Struggling because I got some new arrows and they nock hard on my current bow. I'm trying to figure out which string to buy for my new bow and its serving size (that usually aren't even an option when buying a string) will click right for these new arrow nocks. Or am I just overthinking this?
Did you figure it out? I'm having the same issue. I think it's a case of trial and error and maybe having a bunch of different nock sizes (or several strings!).
how much it affects thicker string the arrow spine select?
Thicker/heavier string will absorb more energy and make arrow seem stiffer and heavier. 20gr string mass will reduce speed by about 1fps.
Just for my own reference later - 652 with 20 strands
What do you think about 8190 and 8190F?
8190 is towards the stiff spectrum. I’d avoid it if I was you.
2022 Update: Here in the UK it's really hard to get hold of ready made 652 Spectra strings anymore, I have no idea why, has it been phased out? Have the pros moved onto something else? I've shot it since watching this video and LOVE it.
The spools are still available so I guess I'll have to start making my own!
Kg archery sell them bud
I believe Mercury is not made so uniform or BCY keep adjusting the spec. Color makes a difference, as always, as some colors are much thicker than the rest. Wax is also something for Mercury. It varies a lot from spool to spool.
From our experience with around 10 spools of different colors, at most 20-24 strand Mercury will be equivalent to 18-20 strand 8125G, none goes above it. A 30 strand Mercury string is so thick that it is impossible to nock even a large size nock onto the string.
In the video it is well explained Mercury goes the stiffer end of spectrum. It can be felt by the shooter. With all these issues I am not meaning that I don't like the Mercury. In fact with some trial and error I found a 22 strand mercury without wax (Not sure if it is easy to get one in the market) works best for me, even better than 8125G which I have been using for over 10 years. It produces better feedback, less vibrations and noise, significantly increase the arrow speed hence add some sight. The only draw back is, as it is to the stiffer end, it is of slightly lower tolerance than 8125G.
A few suggestions for those who would like to try with Mercury:
1) check the thickness of material before start making the string. The difference is so big that you can feel it with bare hand
2) give it a try with no wax spool
3) avoid flu. colors; and it is a good idea to start with black or white, as always
Cannot compare with the 652 as I have never try the FF+ seriously in recent years. Arrow speed is significantly slower than when using 8125G so I consider it not working in my set-up.
Material for D97 is just as the same as 8125 just the strand diameter is different, am I right?
Correct. I’d go with 8125 over d97 because of that. But 652 is better imo
Small question that’s on my mind B55 got a breaking strength around 40lb. 652 is around 90lb a strand. For my barebow I make a Flemish string of 12 strands B55 when I switch to 652 can I go below that? Like 8 ore 10 strands. I pull 45# at 30,5”
Consider the size of the material rather then the breaking strength. I do not know the OD of b55 vs 652.
Going that low of strand count will cost you in forgiveness. Unless you are going for flight championships I’d stick with much more. I shoot 20 strands at that same bow weight.
Trad is different I get it, but top shooters don’t shoot that small of string for a reason of over-all accuracy/forgiveness
It’s more to gain the speed. To reduce the gabs at longer distances. 12 strands B55 gets me around 180f/sec. And the nock fit is perfect with the 0.21 serving. It’s more to compare the 2 types of materials for me. But yes the forgiveness of the B55 is great.
Bow string material information availability is something that I have always been disappointed in.
There are so many proprietary names for the material types, plus manufacturers have claims of 'secret sauces' that they add to the mix, it's almost unfathomable.
The last time that I bought string material, I knew to avoid compound material, but beyond that I admit that I was pretty much guessing, buying almost at random, and that disappointed me. There is so little unbiased information out there. I ended up buying Angel, but I freely admit that I had no good reason for doing so.
The manufacturers, understandably, will always say that their material is the best. But what surprises me is that I have never seen an adequate, unbiased comparison between manufacturers from any independent source.
Your little white board is by far the best explanation that I have seen of materials to date. It would be great if it could be expanded to put some trade names on it and published somewhere for future reference.
At worst, you can reference what they claim their material is made of against the spectra/dyneema/vectran chart.
Thanks for the support and I’m glad to lend some help.
Which string do you recommend for a lighter and easier pull, particularly for those with weaker arm strength?
Lighter limbs. String material won't change poundage.
So for a 60s classic bow I would want just a dacron string?
I know this is late, but definitely, any other material might destroy the limbs.
Does the 40 pound rule apply to limb poundage or draw weight
Exactly my question. I have 30 lbs limbs but due to my draw length I'm at 40.5 lbs on my bow scale.
Draw weight
HOW ABOUT FOR COMPOUND BOW SETUP ???
I bought a second hand 26# bow and the string has only 14 strands.. it vibrates a lot after the arrow is gone. Will that change with 18 strands or does it only depend on type of material used?
18 would help some. If it’s a super budget limb/riser combo not much can be done but 18 strands will help a lot.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery thanks, i will order a new string then. And arrows.
Its a SF archery premium + bow
A well used one. But I get relatively good groups with it so far. Only shooting for three weeks now. I stringwalk with it at about 30 meters.
@jakekaminski How many strands of 652 or 8125 would you recommend for 72 inch bow 34inch draw 51lbs??
20
Thanks Jake 👍
@jakekaminski do you know why white 8125 performs so differently to other colours?
Archery Nut colors add thickness. But I can’t shoot a white string.
So would you increase strand count to compensate? Like with mercury or just not bother with white!!🤣🤣
What do you think about brownell fury ?
Great for compound, not for recurve imho, too stiff
Jake Kaminski ok thanx, now it’a all down to bcy spectra and brownell FF+
are 60X strings good quality?
@ThaReal CLo Thanks, I'll try the Gas Ghost XV and only buy important archery gear from Reputable Archery Dealers.
Last September I bought a new set of KAP limbs from eBay and a couple of 60X strings from Amazon.......on the third shot my bow exploded. The limb tip broke off and the string loop was cut open. Not sure if it was the limbs or the string that caused the failure but now I don't take chances with my gear.
Sir, make more knowledgeable videos on String Materials……👍👍👍🙂
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Brownell is back - see brownellarchery.com/about/#history. Looks like a reduced product line... no D75 and no Crown Center serving, but they do have Diamondback serving.