Different Nock Types | How Nocks Affect the Tune of Your Arrows | Plus Pro Archer Secrets
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2020
- In nocks, out nocks, in-out nocks, pin-out nocks, pin nocks, g nocks, large groove, small groove..... How do different nocks affect your tune and how can you use this knowledge I will share with you to your advantage?
Be sure to watch till the end, there is several pro shooter tips that many top archers know, but the majority of the archery community doesn't......
This information applies to compound, recurve, barebow and trad archery.
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Gives the phrase "cavity search" a whole new meaning.
A master class on nocks, nice work! Thanks for your research and your willingness to share!
This is the most detailed nock information ever covered. Thank you Jake
Very informative thanks Jake. I've learned so much just watching and listening to your explanations.
The timing is amazing! Again! I was looking at options for my indoor arrows and then BOOM!! You drop that video!! You're the best! :-)
DANG! Packed full of valuable information. Thanks for the vid, this ones getting saved to my Archery list!
Jake you are a Whizz Superstar. Thank you for that massive download of information & knowledge in a format that is easily understood & just as important, 'remembered! Cheers.
Just som additional. Beiter Nocks size 1(0.086), 2(0.098) and 3 (.0106)
The clear Beiter nocks cracks more often then the solid colors. But the best part with the clear ones is that you can see it, and replace it.
When it comes to compound and you have a conventional D-loop then you can shoot with regular symmetric nocks. If you using a "torque less" loop or a loop with just one tied nocking point and the loop makes pressure on the nock, you should use asymmetric nocks.
great presentation, thanks for all the info.
Just came on board and subscribed , I’ll have to back track your videos to see how much I missed ! Found out how little I knew about nocks !
That was really interesting I had NFI about the difference between some of those nocks
Thanks Jake that was really interesting.
The 'parts tree' you mentioned is called a sprue. When the nocks are molded, they're molded onto a sprue. And any self respecting modeler uses nippers to cut the parts off. No bending or twisting, to avoid breakage or twisting. I imagine the knocks are done the same way for the same reasons.
I learn alot about nock from this video.Thank you.
Another master class from jake, amazing!!! Thanks jake! we hope you are safe with covid-19 best wishes from europe friend
what a good explanation !!
Thanks for the upload
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Thanks Jake, I really appreciate your videos, clear and well put together. An excellent resource just as you intended!
Thanks Jake very knowledgeable
Holly Smokes! This is some knowledge.
Very interesting. I know what you mean about nocking height and Beiter Nocks. Turn them upside down, works every time, and shoots more cleanly and also prolongs the life of your arrow rest.
Thank u so much....Jack Sir...
I am pretty sure that poor nock cavity discipline is the reason I can't make the Olympic archery team.
Very interesting Jake. I'm using Beiter asymmetric pin nocks for barebow which makes a lot of sense to me when string walking as the I believe the best way to hold the string is with as little disturbance to the "triangle" as possible, especially in the bigger crawls. Also the Beiter has a groove in the top to accommodate the nock which IMO causes less pinching. What is your experience in your BB journey?
Thank you Jake. Very interesting info, certainly way more choice in nocks than "back in the day". I was wondering if you had an idea how much the stiffening effect of using pin nocks? I had taken that factor into account in selecting arrows, but without any empirical knowledge as to the effect. I would assume it would be less than a full spine?
Good info. I learned a lot. Wish I had knowledge like this when I shot olympic style recurve. Currently I use the Bohning F nock on my carbon arrows out of a compound. Any tips on this make and model?
Jake, your lessons are allways very good explained. Please, teach me what is the impact of each size in nocking point. Will the string fit well for all kind of cavity?
Hi Jake, great info on this topic. I have had a good look at my Easton pin nocks and noticed a line in the moulding on the side of the ears. Is this for orientating the nock to the fletching?
Hi Jake,
This is a fantastic video on nocks and I learned a lot from it. Made so much sense. Thank you. So at the end you recommended the 1370119 19L nocks to be the best in your opinion but then, does it not have bigger ears which would cause problems as you mentioned earlier in the video. I got a little lost there. I am looking to replace my Easton super nocks for RX-7 21 arrows. Please advise.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Great video! Question for you... In my NTS coaching training the folks all the way up to Coach Lee have consistently advised finger pressure as 20% top, 70% middle, and 10% lower.
1) Have you heard or been taught differently?
2) If the numbers above are accurate, then wouldn't that result in a string angle more consistent with the Beiter asymmetrical nock?
Complicated? Gee Louise, that's a major understatement!
Missed Dr. Suess moment: "Lots and lots different kind of nocks."
Used what I learned to buy Easton pin nocks in package and have noted which cavity it came from in my archery journal. Before I considered buying nocks from Amazon that were of good quality but were from someone who bought in bulk and then split them up. How do I know which cavity they came from and if they all came from the same cavity, or if they are a mix. Good lesson.
Never know about cavities! Thank you.
Yes, i missed a shot due to cavity mixing, on my last gnat safari.
Which Gaspro vanes are those? They look like medium recurve efficient, but they have a shield shape. Which setup are you shooting those with? Thanks!
Hi Jake, if you don't mind me asking, when you shot beiter nocks, did you also shoot beiter nockpoints?
That Easton bag of Cavity 2 going straight to the trash
what if you use the beiter asymmetrical nock upside down? since there is more pressure on the index finger, the string would be leaning back, and the upside-down groove shape should then help?
Thanks Jake another great video. Great tips. Do you still boil your nocks!? Vaguely remember you saying that you used to do this, same as people do for RC model components. Or am I making this up !!
I used to. When I paid for them I did, however I have a massive pile from the years of being a pro shooter and I just use what I have.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Interesting, what is the purpose of "boiling"?
Thanks for this video Jake , I'm a pin nock user only, for my shooting
Thanks Jake! Looks to me when doing the side by side comparison of the Beiter Pin Nock and the Beiter Out Nock that if you moved the X-10 with the pin nock so both shafts were even, the extra length of the 'fitting' of the pin that is against back of shaft would just about make up the 'extra' length of the Out Nock. So it is more of a weight benefit than being much longer. Seems too bad Easton just doesn't make an X-10 slightly longer in the back half. Assuming that would be superior to just increasing the weight of tip or length of shaft. Was surprised that your top indoor nock was one that fit into uni-bushing and not a pin nock. Seems larger diameter arrows at closer distances increases risk of damage. Not sure it would offer same protection as a metal pin, but wouldn't a carbon pin be much lighter, is there such a thing?
In my personal experience a bushing works just as well as a pin in protecting the arrow. Arrows either get stuck in the nock or glance of the cone of the bushing, I can't recall damaging a single arrow with a bushing.
Beiter out-nock is the best. That is final. Most of Korea use it too. It has the best clearance with its proprietary design.
Debatable. By that logic, 70" bow, 6" extension, 10" side rods, 30" long rod, all weight forward, x10, 120 grain tungsten and Beiter plungers would be all "Final" How many medals out there get won without those configurations? Plenty.
Jake... about Beiter Nocks..you can be sure that all out of any single bag you have are out of the same cavity as there is only one.... next bag you buy these all will be out of the same cavity... and Beiter produces by far less nocks than any us or chinese brand... so same bag ...same cavity:)
Hey Andreas! Thanks for chiming in!
How often do you at Beiter change the actual mold or make repairs to it? I know your volume is way less but would I be wrong in the mold changing over time slightly? And therefor potentially changing the nock impact compared to a possibly older set of nocks?
All things I am genuinely curious about.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery depending in the model. The pinH already 2 Times. Pin2 is still the first... but at least all weithin a charge actually within a lifetime of the mould ARE THE SAME :)
So what about in nocks effect vs the other?
What is the pin nock version of the Bohning F nock?
Question regarding the different cavities. I knew you're sceptical regarding Beiter having one single mold and the frequency of replacing that but is that any different to the other manufacturers that have multiple. Surely those get replaced too?
Of course, but with 8 cavities they would also wear out 8 times as slower. However When I come into a major event I replace all my nocks on all my arrows incase some are worn out, or from old batches. After shooting them for a month or two, you break one and replace only one on an arrow, you may not have that new nock group with the old nocks. Most top shooters replace their nocks before major events to prevent this and save the old ones for practice arrows.
Not sure what you refer to when saying nocks are diff from each batch. I can understand the possible diff between the outer fit nocks as there is a lot of plastic.On my pin nocks which at present I use a very cheap ones compared to Beiter, but they are exactly the same weight within 1/10th grain ,the fit I check on all nocks and they havn't varied. They are not from one batch.So are you referring to the larger nocks?
But if you buy stuff online how are we going to be able to know what cavities the nocks are from until we get them thru the post? what does one do? send them back and say you sent the Nock from the wrong cavity number?
Oh no... all my arrows have the double nocking nocks...
Just curious - where do you buy your archery equipment from? Amazon? Lancaster?
How long can a nock be used before it should be changed?
Certainly wasnt confused every time you said "nocks".
As someone who has been shooting a bow for 40 yrs, this video has been incredibly educational. One question, doesn't the angle of
the string at full draw suggest that the Beiter Asymmetrical nocks are better for shooting an Olympic recurve?
With modern hooking techniques I don't think so... however to each their own, but I can tell you because of my need for a higher then normal nocking point as it is, I do shoot as well with their nocks compared to symmetrical nocks.
Thank you
Yes, I am picking at nits.
"Adding weight to the back of an arrow stiffens it." I think it will make the arrow perform more like a stiffer arrow, but if you put the arrow on a stiffness gauge it will be the same number. Yes? No?
Yes, it will measure same stiffness on a spine tester, but according to Jake, the arrow will act stiffer when it is shot.
Static/dynamic pedantry. I like it.
Is it still true that FITA doesn't allow magnetic nocks (Mag Nocks)?
Sorry I discovered the channel today..so I have some to say about it☺️... NEW INFO: the Beiter 4,5/1X nock is fitting over Pins as well...so no issues of breaking arrows as much as in the past
Thanks for the input! Good to know!
Hey Jake, do you think the asymmetric Beiter is better for string walking?
Eh, Not sure depends on each person and each setup.
Jake Kaminski I was just thinking about the difference in the two kind of hooks you were showing, and the old hook is a lot like when you are string walking
I was thinking the same - any amount of walking is certainly angling the string forward in the nock at any rate. I think I'll experiment with that next time I buy nocks.
What size nock would you suggest for a 20 strain recurve bow string?
I have used 20 strands of brownell ff+, 0.18" bcy powergrip for centre serving and use G nock 0.98" .
What pin nock bushing fits in the recurve rz??
CX makes or at least used to make them.
Do you think the difference in nock cavity will be significant at 50m as much as at 70m?
IIRC the impact point change at 18m was ~1/2"-3/4"
I can't get pins to tune at all. The bareshaft with pins always comes out super stiff. Tried spines 900 through 500 (shooting 37# oly recurve). Every arrow with a pin nock was incredibly stiff, f nocks gave results you'd expect (i.e. weak to stiff as I worked through spines). Any help?
Too tight nock fit? Or pin itself stiffening the arrow because of the extra weight at the back?
Do plastic nocks need to be glued onto aluminum pins, or is it just a force-fit?
Just force fit, as you say.
I need to find new nocks for my daughters hunting bow because it's short and has a high string angle the mock pops half off when she pulls back.🤔
Open up the gap between the two nocking points. Should help.
I totally did not get the whole cavity thing.... I guess a language barrier on my side. Do you have a resource that explains this with pictures for dummies ? I still don't see how that should make a difference unless the material does not cool symmetrically thus producing different stress reactions/flex based on pressure point ....
The material doesn't cool symmetrically that is what causes the different impact points.
Nocks in box. Box with nocks. Slick trick putting nocks in box. Slick trick putting nocks on arrows. Slick trick carrying nocks in box and box in barrows. Fox can carry nocks in box and box in barrows.
what do you mean by finger shooters my friend?
I noticed during the world championships that almost all recurve archers are shooting the over nocks.
Maybe they give a slight performance edge and are easier to see down range but they look so un-aerodynamic and clumsy.!
These hard brittle plastic nocks break all the time, why can I not find soft materials that don't shatter?
So what's the point of pin-out nocks? Pin stiffens but the extra length weakens to balance it out?
They were the first iteration of pin nocks from Beiter IIRC but only could be used on micro diameter arrows (mostly just X10) so they did the pin only nock to fit the other arrows.
Mostly just for protection of the arrow I suppose but I preferred the regular pin nock when I shot the beiters.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks Jake, I had been tempted to experiment with them but don't think its worth the expense given what you've said.
How about that the bow dont push the arrow perfect out the bow since the arrow is not in the middel of the bow.
Thanks for another excellent video. I'm a Goldtip fan : )
I wonder how tight their tolerances are and how they are inspected.
Do you know of any manufacturers or archers that do finish machining after injection molding / or machine their nocks from solid?
Not to my knowledge.
Hi
Could you tell us the type model or name of the gold tip pin nock for recurve 18 strands? Thanks
Is that Beiter 19-2 L you’re recommending symmetrical or asymmetrical?
asymmetrical
Jake Kaminski Thanks. I was planning to macgyver some .244 pins to the super uni bushings, but I think I’ll go with those 19s instead. With Easton’s 3D and Super nocks, I have a problem of the plate of the tab clicking the nock out of the string when fingering. The wings of the 19 looks to be a tad shorter than in those Easton nocks. Haven’t decided yet though if I should choose those asymmetricals (Insert-Nock) or symmetricals (Hunter-Nock).
I grind my tab plate for clearance on those nocks for that reason. I should do a video showing how/where
Jake Kaminski amazing. I’ll have to copy you on this!
I really wish the Manufacturers would mark on the Packages what types of bows/Strings, speed, and poundages these nocks are best for. Not everyone is an expert in all of this. So someone shooting a Hunting Compound Bow has different nocks than someone shooting an Olympic RECURVE Bow. Or like you were showing the Asymmetrical vs Non-Asymmetrical.
...about asymmetrical nocks... any style of shooting with "split fingers" (called a Mediterranean Grip) - even Coaches Lee ! - will be asymmetric in release as the middle finger will always be the last leaving the string... cause it is the longest. .therefor in release the string will fit asymmetrically...😏
I agree 100%. I know Beiters are VERY popular for a reason and have won more medals then I can count.
I only stopped using them when I starting having an extremely high static nocking point after using the stabilizer set-ups I was in the 2012-2013 timeframe. Still a great product!
@@JakeKaminskiArchery matter of fact...higher nocking point results out of the asy metricity.. ☝️ 😎
The Beiter Hunter pin nock is symmetrical. I shoot them with my compound bow with a d-loop and release aid. They are super high quality.
I feel like I saw small groove g nocks at shop
Yes, small groove g nocks are a thing, but not g pins.
Ok, my problem is far from how nocks are produced. I wish I would have that problem.
Small individual gains add up to a big advantage. Over-coming small changes that make a difference are much easier to tackle then the largest ones. Once you gain confidence in the small gains it often gives you the boost needed to overcome the largest and sometimes seemingly insurmountable obstabsals in your way.
Hard nocks.Accunocks.Nock nocks...
Considering the inaccurate nature of the string this is difficult to believe.
Yeah like right I guess what ever you believe that makes you shoot different is placebo.... the placebo effect is real
bro you gotta make smaller videos make parts 1 2 3 4 5 if ya got to but peoples attention spans cant stick with such long content u kinda drag stuff out love ur stuff might help u draw more people to archery
Dude, you are too all over the place and it makes it to hard to follow.