How does a Dyno Really Work??

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  • @1967novawagon
    @1967novawagon 3 роки тому +53

    A guy that is humble and yet don’t mind sharing his knowledge

  • @chezleymcdonald2481
    @chezleymcdonald2481 3 роки тому +9

    Had no idea.. you explain stuff where even I can understand it

  • @gafrers
    @gafrers 3 роки тому +14

    Wonderful how Mr. Morris explains stuff

  • @staglione79
    @staglione79 3 роки тому +10

    He sent the drive shaft through the roof. Truss and all. That was some great information Steve 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @johnloughrey9485
    @johnloughrey9485 3 роки тому +4

    often wondered how the mechanic's worked thank you

  • @scottleggejr
    @scottleggejr Рік тому

    Wow look at all the cavitation pits on the rotor! Too cool to see.

  • @mrsquariel
    @mrsquariel 3 роки тому +16

    Fascinating. Thank you for posting this tech video Steve. Much appreciated.

  • @craigfiles7067
    @craigfiles7067 3 роки тому +8

    Finally a great explication of how an engine dyno functions

  • @foghornleghorn8536
    @foghornleghorn8536 3 роки тому +10

    Steve I really appreciate the information that you're sharing. Thank you for going to the trouble of putting these videos together.

  • @firestorm755
    @firestorm755 Рік тому

    Simple but very effective. Another great vid.

  • @dougsmith4513
    @dougsmith4513 2 роки тому +1

    He ALWAYS does a great job of informing to the common guy. 👏

  • @amalfi460
    @amalfi460 2 роки тому

    New sub here….came over from cleetus channel. This guy is a mechanical genius

  • @kentstephens4770
    @kentstephens4770 Рік тому

    I could watch this stuff all day long. Just knowing and understanding the engineering of all of this is hard to comprehend. Thanks for the info.

  • @RealSteelStreet
    @RealSteelStreet Рік тому

    “Wadder” 🤣 Great info and explanation, I actually understand torque converters better now👌🏼

  • @scottthomas5999
    @scottthomas5999 Рік тому

    Great info.
    Always wondered how dumps worked.
    Thanks for explaining.
    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🍷

  • @MrJermbob
    @MrJermbob 3 роки тому +5

    Some amazing learnings in that video. Thank you. I never knew how a water brake works until now. Love from New Zealand to you :D

  • @jamesgravel7755
    @jamesgravel7755 3 роки тому

    I know how a dyno works. But now I know how a dyno works. Cool vid. Most people don’t know HP is a calculation. Torque is the real measurement. When I learned that things became more clear.

  • @MsKatjie
    @MsKatjie 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks Steve for taking the time out, to explain and show the various topics covered.
    Cheers, Adam.

  • @lolnitrous1179
    @lolnitrous1179 2 роки тому +1

    That makes so much sense in my mind seeing it visually as well thanks man you're the champ

  • @michaelmcduff2263
    @michaelmcduff2263 3 місяці тому

    On two stroke bikes engines we call that area the 'Squish' band which is 360 degrees around the head chamber. We keep it around 0.020" which keeps piston crown temps down. That's important because as the under side of the piston dome temp rises...........so does the area in the lower crank case which raises the temp of the incoming fuel charge. That lowers the volumetric effeciencty of the engine. Less power.

  • @janchristensen7993
    @janchristensen7993 2 роки тому

    Had no clue. How interesting. Thanks Steve.

  • @user-yl8fw7mb9x
    @user-yl8fw7mb9x 3 місяці тому

    Hugely informative, nice details. Helped a lot, thank you!

  • @tonydowns9424
    @tonydowns9424 Рік тому

    Great post Steve!, I've often wondered how the dyno works. Thank You for taking the time to make these Steve Tech Videos.

  • @joepro.736
    @joepro.736 Рік тому

    Thank you Steve for your perfect explanation😊

  • @JAGacp45
    @JAGacp45 3 роки тому +2

    These are great videos I always wonder how those dynos held that kind of power...thanks man

  • @richardb6273
    @richardb6273 3 роки тому +7

    Love your tech videos! The fact that your willing to share just a little slice of your infinite knowledge is awesome! Problem is, a lifelong gearhead like myself, I'm wanting more in depth... Like camshaft development, cylinder head port, combustion chamber design. Valve and seat angles and the effects it has on flow..
    Thanks Richard Bentley

    • @steamdriver6964
      @steamdriver6964 2 роки тому +1

      Pretty sure there's no one single way of designing cylinder heads for a host of needs turbo vs NA vs torque needs etc a flow bench and a lifetime of experimenting is really where you end up after the initial theory of airflow is taught.

  • @426Roadrunner1
    @426Roadrunner1 2 роки тому

    Thanks Steve. As per all the other comments, great information. I've always wondered about the inner workings of these things; now I know. Cheers.

  • @rickybailey7123
    @rickybailey7123 Рік тому +1

    Steve is the man so much knowledge I hope 1 day I could learn as much as he knows !!

  • @specforged5651
    @specforged5651 3 роки тому +1

    Love the “I don’t do electronics.” Totally in the same boat. If I can see it and deduce how components apply to one another to produce an outcome, no problem. Electronics and computer crap, no thanks. This man does a great job explaining how mechanical devices work for those of us who brains work that way and couldn’t care less about the computer stuff.

  • @ronaldlockhart8657
    @ronaldlockhart8657 Рік тому

    As always you're pretty much amazing the knowledge that you've developed over the last I don't know probably 30 or 40 years it's mind-blowing enjoy your videos keep making them thank you

  • @jlunde35
    @jlunde35 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you, I did learn something today. Really interesting, appreciate it.

  • @02f4irider
    @02f4irider Рік тому

    You are a very knowledgeable man Steve! It would be an honor to be able to work under your automotive knowledge!

  • @Modna89
    @Modna89 3 роки тому +3

    I'd love to see a sister video going over the controls for this. How much water it uses, how hot it gets, etc. I've always "conceptually* understood how water dynos work but this is the first time I have seen it explained in a way that totally makes sense

    • @12Senna
      @12Senna 3 роки тому

      yeep, i still can't total understand after the video,by how to measure the torque equal to input

    • @Modna89
      @Modna89 3 роки тому +2

      @@12Senna that load sensor he had is measuring how hard the dyno is trying to twist. That load cell is about 1 foot from the center of the dyno, so if it reads 200 lbs, then it means the engine is putting out 200 ft-lbs of torque. You take that along with engine RPM and you have horsepower

    • @12Senna
      @12Senna 3 роки тому +2

      @@Modna89 I know this step but first it still need to apply the same torque with the engine input, by my guess is control the amount of water flow by the turbine

    • @Modna89
      @Modna89 3 роки тому

      @@12Senna oh yes exactly. The more water allowed in, the more the dyno fills up, the more resistant it is to rotation

  • @Rusty.1776
    @Rusty.1776 2 роки тому

    America would benefit greatly by having more Steve's! ❤️🤍💙 THANK YOU!

  • @genelong1748
    @genelong1748 3 роки тому

    Great lesson. Very good video. Thanks Steve

  • @larrychristopher9147
    @larrychristopher9147 Рік тому

    Good video, i too would like the calibration process and electronics behind it.👍

  • @doncarlson8391
    @doncarlson8391 3 роки тому

    Great look inside an absorber, thanks!

  • @glenbrannon7224
    @glenbrannon7224 2 роки тому

    I love watching you tune these big block turbo
    engines !😊

  • @zakksrage
    @zakksrage 2 роки тому

    How do you gain this much knowledge about every single aspect of engine building and parts manufacturing to the point where you are redesigning dynos? Simply amazing

    • @JonHop1
      @JonHop1 Рік тому

      dude must have a phd in engineering! lol.. That, or he just has a great mind for engineering! Some people are just like that. That want to know how things work and how they can make them better.

  • @planesofpaper
    @planesofpaper 2 роки тому

    Hi from NZ. This was such a good video. I learned heaps. Thanks Rex

  • @erichuff3572
    @erichuff3572 3 роки тому

    Really interesting man. Thank you the inside information.

  • @stevegirard817
    @stevegirard817 Рік тому

    Love the tech!!! Always wondered!!!

  • @michaelloth5870
    @michaelloth5870 Рік тому

    Steve, I had never seen the inside of a water brake before. It was interesting to see the fins inside the brake / torque converter. Thank you.

  • @brianalbrecht4423
    @brianalbrecht4423 Рік тому

    That was very cool...! Always woundered how dynos got the readings...thanks Steve...great video....with those numbers ....there must be alought of upkeep on the dynos....?...!

  • @tfab110
    @tfab110 3 роки тому +2

    This was way cool Steve, thanks for the lesson !1

  • @tracyterpstra
    @tracyterpstra 3 роки тому

    Excellent video!

  • @markshaw3219
    @markshaw3219 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you Brother! I learned something I didn't know. Good stuff!! God's blessing... Acts 20:24

  • @terjegjerstad9692
    @terjegjerstad9692 2 роки тому

    Very informative video. Thanks a lot

  • @darylmorse
    @darylmorse Рік тому

    Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @JohnRoberts71
    @JohnRoberts71 3 роки тому

    Great content thanks for sharing, very informative

  • @jglennson2591
    @jglennson2591 3 роки тому +2

    Nice info, well explained..thanx👍🤠

  • @danielsmith-ze3wy
    @danielsmith-ze3wy 3 роки тому

    Awesome thanks for the explanation

  • @henrycoles5584
    @henrycoles5584 2 роки тому

    Excellent explanation.

  • @inactive67
    @inactive67 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you Sir!!! It was voodoo behind the motor as far as I knew. Wondering what kind of flow rates you have with all that sheared water.

  • @Stormin06096
    @Stormin06096 Рік тому

    Great explaination.

  • @randywl8925
    @randywl8925 2 роки тому

    I love what you do here on Steve Tech.
    You're one of the guys that litterally goes that extra 1/4 of a mile.
    ......Not good for time slips. 😁😁😁
    ...but gains you in respect. You have mine. I was expecting a dyno unit to be 10 times that size.

  • @txsailor57
    @txsailor57 3 роки тому +1

    I'd like to see a slow motion video of that driveshaft going through the roof! Cool video thanks

  • @Bigcheif360
    @Bigcheif360 3 роки тому

    Very good tutorial. 👍

  • @dptp9lf
    @dptp9lf 3 роки тому

    Great explanation!!!

  • @1slow5point0
    @1slow5point0 3 роки тому

    Didn’t know about the load cell. We have some in my hydraulic shop at work that are similar but much larger in size. Have a 10k ft/lb one we are setting up.

  • @RadDadisRad
    @RadDadisRad 3 роки тому +1

    Put a vent on either side of the water inlet and just install a solenoid on each vent so the correct vent will be open when running either direction.

  • @chromezone4371
    @chromezone4371 3 роки тому

    Subscribed. Thankyou Steve

  • @ts302
    @ts302 3 роки тому

    Thank you Steve!!!!

  • @drifta3137
    @drifta3137 Рік тому

    This man spitting straight facts

  • @bb7549
    @bb7549 Рік тому

    Just watched this one Steve after you mentioned it in your last video. Absolutely fascinating. I never understood how this worked, This video really helped me understand the basics. Do you build you own dyno from scratch or modify one that you buy?

  • @curvs4me
    @curvs4me 3 роки тому +2

    That's absolutely incredible!! Love the full feed billet brake. You can run dual load cells and average the 2 or 3 together for even higher torque in the Cap'n Insano range.

    • @12Senna
      @12Senna 3 роки тому

      maybe not that easy to make it works, input shaft on first turbine may have failure

    • @curvs4me
      @curvs4me 3 роки тому

      @@12Senna You are right on. The shaft closet to the motor would have to be strong enough to handle the torque for 3 brakes on a 3 brake system. The second shaft will be to take the torque of the two absorbers resisting it's rotation and the 3rd will only need to handle it's own resistance.
      Good catch on that one!

    • @12Senna
      @12Senna 3 роки тому +2

      @@curvs4me well, as a graduate of engineer for one year, should be count as basic judgment 😏👌

  • @MrBlackbutang
    @MrBlackbutang 4 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing link wondering why link was not posted. Thanks steve

  • @Bad666Moon
    @Bad666Moon 3 роки тому

    This is exactly how I thought these worked, but I never knew for sure. Cool.

  • @brentfay6515
    @brentfay6515 3 роки тому

    I was once told how to make a dirt cheap dyno was to take a trans and put a 12" lever on the output shaft onto a load cell. All you got was torgue but it could show that some changes were good. You had to do the math for horsepower Thanks very informative.

    • @billshiff2060
      @billshiff2060 Рік тому

      That wouldn't work because torque converters actually multiply the torque. The dynos use a fluid coupling that don't multiply torque.

  • @MrBlackbutang
    @MrBlackbutang 4 роки тому

    Thank you!

  • @chrisprattt
    @chrisprattt Рік тому

    Yes!👊🙏 I just got learnt

  • @cetromero15
    @cetromero15 3 роки тому

    👍🏼 very cool 😎

  • @CARRIERGUY
    @CARRIERGUY Рік тому

    Awesome!

  • @magnus5356
    @magnus5356 3 роки тому

    Those parts are surprisingly small for the power made! I used to run a 'slightly' bigger Tyler brand that could take ~ 5000 hp/15,000 ft/lbs. Did blow driveline on that, which was hella scary and made a mess!

  • @given0fox968
    @given0fox968 2 роки тому

    Thanks Steve. Not really how I’d imagined it worked, and realistically way less ‘magic’ and much more mechanical. Appreciate you sharing.
    BTW - am I crazy, or was this video shot earlier than 2021? For whatever reason, you look like a kid in this. 👍👊🇺🇸🤘

  • @bucksnortbumblefuk6872
    @bucksnortbumblefuk6872 Рік тому

    I made a dyno in fluid power college.
    Used a hydraulic pump, flow meter, and some math.

  • @robertm2172
    @robertm2172 2 роки тому

    Loved it

  • @timothyhess9403
    @timothyhess9403 Рік тому

    Hi Steve, I build experimental and certified aircraft engines. I’m building a new dyno and are curious if you control load by regulating pressure on the inlet side or the outlet? I have always done it on the outlet. Nobody makes dynos for aircraft engines so I have to make everything myself. Thanks love the channel

  • @8180634
    @8180634 2 роки тому

    Is boiling the water an issue on longer runs? Also does cavitation eat the rotors at all? Finally what's the big advantage of a water based absorber vs. an eddy current absorber in this application, is water just a lot less expensive to scale up to this capacity? Excellent videos, I appreciate the info!

  • @ulrichmachtle4864
    @ulrichmachtle4864 Рік тому

    BIG THANX!

  • @AntiPattern328
    @AntiPattern328 Рік тому

    Common sense. Steve says like this so -> this should work! I'm golden! 😂🤣😂🤣😂😂

  • @scottyhankemeier9380
    @scottyhankemeier9380 Рік тому

    That's very interesting. Do torque convertors in cars operate the same, the oil only stays on the outer rim of the convertor housing? I would think that you would want no air in the oil or water at all. But I suppose that's impossible with the shearing and heat.

  • @Freecomments4u
    @Freecomments4u 3 роки тому +1

    steve you have a unique way of saying "water". Im from the south, its strange hearing it pronounced properly.

    • @thunderdick6117
      @thunderdick6117 3 роки тому

      I'm from Arkansas so I noticed that same thing he definitely sounds like he is from the north

  • @rocketsurgeon11
    @rocketsurgeon11 3 роки тому +1

    I see that old rotor has a LOT of cavitation damage, and that was my main question...how do you control cavitation, how do you tell when it is cavitating, and have you messed with different blade angles/curvatures on the rotor (obviously that would make it 1-way)?

  • @MrBrettrx7
    @MrBrettrx7 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome info and it makes me wonder how the “load cell” works. Does it measure the stretch?

    • @jakefriesenjake
      @jakefriesenjake 2 роки тому

      It's like a regular bathroom scale, but larger.

  • @bdugle1
    @bdugle1 3 роки тому

    Very cool! I think the absorber measures torque but absorbs horsepower. If you had 1000 lb-ft at 2000 rpm vs 8000 rpm, I think there’d be a difference in how fast the water heated up. Still a very interesting view of your dyno absorbers! Thanks!

    • @1966pahandyman
      @1966pahandyman 3 роки тому

      if i'm understanding this correctly , the water in the absorber just transfers the load to the load cell irregardless of the number of absorber chambers, amount of water. Higher torque engines would need more or larger absorbers to harness the torque and apply load to load cell. and i dont think water pressure would change the "calibration" of the test. torque measured at 1 foot

  • @deankay4434
    @deankay4434 Рік тому

    So basically the load cell is measuring shear force on the water, converting it into a variable electronic signal to the dynamic forces to measure torque input and horse power is a software generated calculation? With all things even, the amount of water is consistent, the temperature of the shear-force water is kept consistent and the software calculates the rest of the graph based upon the load cell (Stain Gauge) based upon these forces thru the arm sticking off the right side & the rest is all calculated via software? I got it.
    Being a service manager at a boat dealer, folks may not know the one engine on some twin engine boats ( some use a rubber cushioned hub vulcanized to an input plate) but the props are different. Certain direct drive marine engines fun counter clockwise as for the most part, the camshaft is reverse ground which otherwise the starter is mount facing the engine and not along side it.
    You may have to order parts indicating engine direction as "Port" or "Starboard" sides.
    Not to get off topic but the interior of some of these boats are gorgeous as all teak wood everywhere, even the bathrooms. Twin big block 454 cu in with twin blade "Bravo III sterndrives can push a 12,000 pound boat at 42+ MPH and is the closest thing you can get, to going that fast (GPS Confirmed) to sitting on a very fast front room couch.
    DK, ASE master tech since 78, retired.

  • @lees6902
    @lees6902 2 місяці тому

    Steve I can't believe how much you look like Kyle. I've never noticed it before.

  • @Hjfvvdst
    @Hjfvvdst Рік тому

    I had no idea. Now I have some idea.

  • @bigredracer7848
    @bigredracer7848 3 роки тому +3

    9👍's up Steve M thanks again for taking us all along with you for the rest of the story

  • @mrd.808
    @mrd.808 Рік тому +1

    Curious if Fluidampr might be able to design you a custom damper for your engine dyno tool?

  • @user-qn9yx6pk3t
    @user-qn9yx6pk3t Рік тому

    единственный канал где рассказали про гидротормоз для испытаний моторов

  • @J-RocksCustoms
    @J-RocksCustoms Рік тому

    So the vent you added is just a port to let air in because the void created from centrifugal force is at vacuum. So it’s there to keep it from Coke canning (collapsing on itself from the vacuum)?

  • @TheAnonymous1one
    @TheAnonymous1one 3 роки тому +1

    This was very educational. Im still wondering how it determines how much torque is being made.

    • @curvs4me
      @curvs4me 3 роки тому +1

      Torque is a measurement of the pounds of force 1 foot away from the output shaft. The load cell S shaped thing he said he hasn't broken yet. The motor is trying to turn and the water brake (absorber) is resisting the motor from increasing speed (rpm) faster than 300 rpm per second. The amount of brake it has to use is the lbs of force on the load cell. So if he gets a reading of 1500ft-lbs, the motor is twisting the brake with 1500ftlbs and that on the load cell

  • @toddformanek8495
    @toddformanek8495 3 роки тому +10

    Great video Steve.
    Curious, what you use for that backup safety strap for the potential 3,000+ ft/lb shockload? And do you attach it directly to the main case so that if the bolts in the bracket were to somehow shear off you'd be more likely to minimize the carnage?
    Also, you mentioned that you previously were breaking the input shafts. How high do the rpm's flash when these monsters you build all of a sudden go from having a massive load to freewheeling?
    Man, the worst case scenarios sound terrifying!

    • @digitald5851
      @digitald5851 2 роки тому +1

      Those are excellent questions!

    • @jakefriesenjake
      @jakefriesenjake 2 роки тому

      Oh don't worry. I'm sure they have an msd box with an rpm limiting chip.

    • @toddformanek8495
      @toddformanek8495 2 роки тому +1

      @@jakefriesenjake rev limiter does not / would not help in that scenario

    • @jakefriesenjake
      @jakefriesenjake 2 роки тому

      @@toddformanek8495 some boxes have a 2 stage rev limiter, that should take care of it.

    • @toddformanek8495
      @toddformanek8495 2 роки тому +1

      @@jakefriesenjake If you have an engine that is rapidly accelerating against a big load (the dyno) and that load instantly disappears (broken dyno input shaft) the engine is gonna instantly zing to the moon regardless if spark is present or not

  • @onedayiwillmakesomecontent
    @onedayiwillmakesomecontent 3 роки тому +2

    That's some shop, full of adult candy!

  • @jkotka
    @jkotka 3 роки тому +5

    very cool. How do you calibrate the dynos? Do you somehow take into account the energy spent in heating the water?

    • @johndevries8759
      @johndevries8759 3 роки тому

      Good question, I was wondering the same thing. The load cell can be calibrated easily by the weight since it is a one for one ratio, but it would seem like there are other losses that need to be accounted for.

    • @billshiff2060
      @billshiff2060 Рік тому

      All the "losses" actually appear as torque. The heat is the excess power being absorbed in order to read how much torque is required to hold it back. So there is no need to account for it to determine the torque. The pillow block bearings on the outside of the housing however do eat into the torque figure a little bit but I doubt he would compensate for that ( but I would, in fact I would use air bearings there). It's Sort of like tractor pull; You don't care how much power its making or how much dirt it throws around, all you want to know is how much weight it can pull and how fast it can pull it. Once you know that, the exact power , accounting for everything, can be calculated.

  • @hatersaywhat8986
    @hatersaywhat8986 3 роки тому +2

    Everyone knows, doesn't matter how many people are standing around, only the boss can operate the dyno.

  • @froggymicb
    @froggymicb Рік тому

    I didn't fully understand how the stators arrest the circulating water.
    Would the torque figures at the load cell really be 1:1 with the torque transmitted by the engine?

  • @jpoplin1
    @jpoplin1 Рік тому

    What type of dyno dose the “Dyno Smith” use? Giant marine & truck engines thanks