Ironically, the best MMO I've played in years.. isn't even your traditional MMO. Rather, it's an open-world multiplayer RPG with *many MMO aspects* - one that I genuinely hope MMO studios look at as inspiration when moving into the future. This is the kind of MMO we need, one that takes risks and provides us with something truly fun to enjoy.
its a singleplayer game that also has coop functionally it is not a multiplayer rpg and certainly not an mmo. you can also do none of the endgame in coop.
@@MrBentalton777 i dont think you got his point. He means that the mmo rpg fantasy is displayed in WuWa in many ways not that its a game with many players in a world. If i could be the mc in a mmo game world i would wish to have it look like this
@@IamHolou it's either an mmo or its not and it does not even have any mmo aspects. It has coop that's it. No raids no multiplayer endgame no guilds etc
The fact that your best MMO experience in recent years isn't an MMO just shows so much about the state of the anime MMO genre. Patiently waiting for the day where we can all hop into a game like SAO, NewWorld Online, or Shangri La Frontier
The state of ANIME mmos has always been the same: lackluster. Its only in the last few years that any anime inspired mmos have been successful or regarded as good.
Well those were in anime form to us, to them it was basically indistinguishable from real life so if we get what they got we should be getting real life looking online worlds to jack into 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
As a Warframe player, my interest spiked when I heard 'parkour'. I'm so spoiled by that game's mobility system that I can't go back to a 'flat world' where the environment is just a giant prop to walk past on the way to the next quest. I was looking to play Genshin to study its art style for school. How does Wuthering Waves compare visually?
One thing that make me stick with Tower of Fantasy while back, was the character customization, and the Gatcha Element is when you USE the weapon of the hero and not necersarily have to use the hero that you gatcha, just need to use their weapon. But in other gatcha game, you need to use em as character, not just their weapon
i agree and have found myself down a similar path through gaming, granted i seem to be a bit ahead of you. what these games mostly lack though is the ability to do EVERYTHING with a friend. it was the most disappointing thing about genshin as well, and as soon as we get a game like this where me and my friend can just pick it up and do anything together until we log off, day after day, whether thats story or not... that is the next evolution.
Oh I am super pumped. I have been playing Aether Gazer and Punishing Gray Raven since those games started and am looking forward to more Kuro action. They have the best combat currently imho. Open world PGR, yes please.
Wow, this video perfectly captures the sentiment many of us MMO veterans have been feeling lately. It's refreshing to hear someone articulate the struggle of finding that spark again in a genre we love.
I downloaded/installed this two days ago and really, really enjoy the hell out of it. Yeah, the combat is fantastic and the story/narrative is just enough to keep you interested but not bore you to death, making you smash Next continuously. Good review, great game.
Most sounds good, but no character creation kills it for me. I'm weird that way. Even though I never play "myself", I just can't enjoy playing premade characters. From what I understand, this game basically has character locked classes. Even worse than gender locked classes that's so common in especially Korean games and that we all like to complain about.
For as much of a mess as it is in other respects, Tower of Fantasy having actual semi-indepth character customization for your avatar/MC is pretty stand-out as far as the genre goes.
Gatcha games are like a guilty pleasure lol. They are INCREDIBLY fun but we all know we are incredibly tempted to swipe to unlock more characters. Especially if they are well done and the gameplay is fun.
The problem is gache makes profit if you keep players with a good game you make money but if you want more money than the gameplay justifies you have to go the opposite direction. Sadly making things inconvenient is more profitable, people will spend money to get back to the good part of the game. I love gacha because the characters are almost always awesome, because people will want them awesome. And not only the characters are good in gacha because of that. All in all i think its a double eged sword, we just have to pray that there are companies not focused on minmaxing profit but on making profit by delivering
This is what gacha should aspire to be. Entice players to pull for a character because they love said character while still allowing players to progress without said character, and NOT because players NEED that character to even make meaningful progress in the game.
So? What's your point? You have to pay to play FF XIV, to play new world, jeez even on black desert there's a lot of skins, etc that are really expensive and like at almost every other game it's your choice to pay. With kuro I play PGR and I have the meta charas that I want with all their stuffs (weapons, ect) so I can trust on them for a balance game, honestly
while i'm still fully devoted to ffxiv, wuwa had me so excited and sad that i didn't get into the beta. Seriously can't wait for this game, hopefully it's as we think a summer-fall release!
What we need is a mix of Guildwars2 with BDO with Zelda graphics, in a truly infinite open world (no loading screens) where we can infinitely venture forth.
Can I play as 1 chr? 1 thing I hate about gocha games is that i cant play just one chr and that takes away from the emersion I much prefer to impersonate 1 person than play 4 every time. It was nice that BG3 was vastly playable as only one person in the party unlike games like genshin where it was either impossible cuz of time constraints or just really annoying and take too long to do anything to progress.
Yes if you want you can paly as 1 character there's no elemental reaction in this game. Also for safety you can bring a healer but, who cares for healer when u plan on not getting hit the first place🤣
most likely nah. since everyone will have different progression progress in their own account. and some quests may unlock areas you otherwise wouldnt have unlocked in your own world yet under normal circumstances.
Another game with similarly complex combat is Dragon Nest(although if you gonna play it, play on private servers with no p2w shop, official Korean version is filled with p2w). The movement itself is a bit slow still, but the combat itself is so god damn FUN. Y'all missing out if you never tried Dragon Nest cuz it was one of the only two mmos that held my interest for so long in a genre I don't like(the other one is DDTank which isn't exactly MMO, more of a mmo lite worms game, but that one was peak too with sadly p2w moments)
i hate to even have to say this but i truly feel its true. the next big mmo isnt going to come from an already established AAA studio. its going to come from a small team of indie developers working together to coalesce a dream into reality. Sadly im too old to learn all the ins and outs of game development i fear, but i want to make my own game that brings the feeling of first playing guild wars or world of warcraft, elden ring, and even the dreamcast version of phantasy star online. So far ive worked with another to develop a world with races and classes, backstory, and some sketches for concept art. neither of us know how to put this into the digital world and bring it to life. we need collaborators that know how to bring these visions to life.
Its hard to say what rewards there will actually be on launch because the CBT2 events are clearly only meant for CBT2. But I think its ever so slightly on the lower side of currency available from the open world and quests. The real thing though is that at least on global we can't tell how P2W this is. Crit is a really hard stat to come by except by the 5 star weapons, but I haven't seen much discussion on how much that boosts your DPS or if that even matters because if you take on hard combat your DPS doesn't mean shit if you don't adapt to the boss patterns properly.
@@Filthycasual17 You arent wrong, perhaps I should have worded it differently. But there are people who think stuff like genshin/hsr are pay to winwhen I think its pay to lose since you take away the fun lol.
@@PyrusnVentusbut if it's like there other game pgr even if you spend all that money for weapon and constellation your ass still gonna get kick if you get hit 1 or 2 time lmao. ( Also spending money for constellation do bost there dmg but unlike genshin you can't one shot them at all the only benefits will be you take like 2 - 3 minutes less to beat them if you don't get hit ofcourse 🗿)
the only reason I quit Genshin was because when sprinting it would eat ur stamina, and the regen was kinda slow, im glad this game didnt do the same thing, thats probably also why I preferred Tower of Fantasy over Genshin, I didnt care about the characters much, but at least I had mounts or no stamina use on sprinting (I saw Genshin made a character that made open world more enjoyable, so once I get her, it might be fun again)
idk about secret worlds main story, but its lore and world building and additional side story quests that flesh out the world? those are all top tier. especially for those that like horror and mystery. also canonically Illuminati takes drugs to see into the past and Dragon.... Dragon breaks ToS to do so. I mean talk about an intro to a game. You show up and some lady goes down on you and then suddenly you're fighting demons. also in terms of story ToF has a decent concept for its story with the whole time warp bubble thing. its execution though is a bit.... lacking. which i think mainly has to do with they way it handle trying to stretch content.
Pretty excited to try this one out for sure, seems fun! Gatcha is okay, in the grand scheme of things imo. But I do enjoy them without spending a dime!
I've been playing various MMO in mobile in the past, not until I played Chimeraland (in-game purchases aside the game is lit and the best for me) and now the game is discontinued for global server, now for me the current MMO that i know or heard of are not entertaining or fun anymore 😔
IMHO the best one is Guild Wars 2, respect player's time, super fun, super challenging but you can simply chill and play whatever you want, horizontal progression, you can leave and go back 2 years later and your stuff is still usefull but have a lot of stuff to do and I con go on and on.
I've literally been waiting for WW since a video preview of it years ago and I want to play it so bad. (Saying that, it's so funny to see genshin players losing their minds for this game lmao)
@@MMOByte That's the best part it's a beta so the final product should be something to enjoy for real. And to be honest, I play Punishing Gray Raven, so I trust Kuro games on what they are doing 120% let them cook!
Tower of Fantasy is an actual MMO with awesome movement/ and combat if you guys are looking for something to play. It is a bit janky on the cutscenes but the open world and missions, mini games and activities are really diverse and immersive. I’ve got some short videos showing it off. I don’t even care about views I just want more ppl to know how good ToF is! 😂
Cant wait for weathering waves... Also ive been waiting to play blue protocol since it was announced and it still isnt out there is only so much a person can wait before they no longer care
Same I quit caring about all the games that showcase years before release and just move on! Especially when they go back and revamp the entire game because the players that got to beat the game wanted a whole new game!
Punishing grey was the only gacha I have ever truly enjoyed, but my main complaint was the area design and quests, but if that's fixed and the combat is improved upon even more this could be a GOTY for me. And to all the salty genshin fans that disliked this video, it ain't gonna kill genshin, it's just going to compete and make genshin better.
I play genshin and i havent spent a dime on it. ive gotten lucky with what the game offers for free.dont get me wrong i have wanted to spend on it but ive resisted so far.
WuWaves looks ... ok i guess but i dont really see it fleshing out its own identity, everything just looks like "genshin but better" and that seems to be everyone's attitude towards this game either The garbage rng is still there the same degrees of replayability is still there the combat isn't really all that impressive to me, its just... genshin but better ppl will get bored in 3 months, complain theres nothing to do, and they're being "forced" to play the game. just like in genshin If the devs are mindful of this, then maybe they'll pull this off! and i wish them luck! I hope the community can at least be more patient with WuWaves than with genshin, because this community is ruthless when it comes to free shit and milestones
rng is there sure but the difference is you can farm as much as you want for the stats you want you are not limited by stamina/resin systems. also idk whats not impressive to you about combat when it has far better combat than most every game in existence. not even AAA games compare with rare exceptions like dmc and nier and soulslike games. also ww has endgame and infinite farming something genshin has neither of. the ONLY reason people say its just genshin but better is they are both open world anime action rpgs with gacha but outside of that genshin is nothing at all like ww
@@MrBentalton777 Parry and just frame mechanics are as old as the "action combat" genre itself, so acting like its the next best thing is... strange, to say the least. but ok buddy also, infinite farming? provided your mobs respawn how long exactly? and have you actually looked at open world? There are massive stretches of literally nothing as far as the eye can see, the spots in between one pack of mobs and the next gives you the illusion of "infinite" farming, but the mob count is exceptionally low for an "open world" experience. so I really dont value it that greatly. Also, what is WW end game besides boss rush and a roguelike? That's not much, if you think it is, then... daaaaamn
to be fair to the people demanding free stuff, hoyo has definitely been much more stringent with their free rewards than many other gacha games. of course they have their reasons, their games are pretty easy to enjoy without having to pull a lot, but even within the company they're not very consistent (e.g. hi3 giving free s-rank selectors every now and again, hsr getting 20 free pulls and a free 5* all within the span of like 2 months, while genshin gets 3 pulls for CNY). hopefully if kurogames follows the reward formula of their other game, punishing gray raven, people will be satisfied. i've heard pgr is one of the most f2p-friendly gachas out rn.
@@stellasilverr its an opportunity for kurogames for sure, but only time will tell HSR is proof that hoyo can be generous if they really want to be, and if pgr is f2p friendly then all good for them. I'm sure the community will be happy to see this as the game launches and the efforts they bring!
@@user-gi6hd5ol6f I never said parrries are unique to ww now did I. Also yes infinite farming when you can just go around collecting echoes and when your world's echoes are gone for the day you can go into other random worlds and get echoes there too. Hologram, rougelike, abyss and they will add many more
I find the game to be very interesting. But the best of this sub-genre, mostly because of the well built story and new worlds they are introducing in Star Rail ( basically Genshin 2.0). Like this, it has a very unique feel but is polished and seamless. You aren't doing PVP and it's entirely single player, but it is a fantastic story and there are tons of small side quests and well thought-out events. The best part is that the grind really isn't one. Just play the story and do all of the side quests and you'll level just fine.
Having a MMO that's basically Genshin Impact/WW but with more people would be perfect to me. PSO2 NGS is probably about the closest thing to that at present but the world design is rather bland in terms of what there is to find/discover aside from enemies to farm and the endgame is still largely just sitting around waiting for events to pop like in the original.
Ok, you've convinced me to give this a try when it launches. I won't put any money into it, mind you, since I hate gacha.. but if the game is playable and enjoyable without it, then why not? Thanks for the recommendation here!
How would you compaire this with Genshin? A lot of it screams genshin to me, the UI, the animations, health bars, environments. I sadly didnt get in on the beta so couldnt test for myself
The actual Genshin 2.0 is Star Rail as it is the same company. It's single-player but is extremely polished and a lot of money and time went into events, world-building, and VA. It feels as close to a console game like Star Ocean as you'll get out of these type of games. The characters also seem much more 3D/"real" in Star Rail, IMO. I've played up to the current content and haven't spent a dime on it, so it's not full of level and paywalls, either. Just do the missions and story and enjoy.
@@Xokas2.0 Yes because Genshin is obviously the only game I play... 🤦♂️ I haven't played Genshin in a year lol. I ask because its obviously very close in gameplay, style, combat, etc.. Maybe you should stop playing other games and go back to school if you're too dense to recognize that.
This game does look like it has good combat, if my friend had more storage on their phone I might try this out with them, but Hoyo games seem to all take up a large amount of space I've not looked into Hoyo's other games but I've really been enjoying Star Rail. The setting and characters are really nice, but the fact that it's inspired by my favourite JRPG series (the Trails series) is a huge thing for me and why I checked it out in the first place.
You forget to mention GW2 which should be considered a hard hitter in the ganra. If you haven't delved into that game then you're missing out on a huge MMORPG full of everything.
Being completely honest, this game’s story doesn’t move me one bit. It’s the classic “you don’t know who you are, and the whole plot revolves on that”. The best story is on character quests. I found myself doing exactly what I do in genshin or ir star rail, spamming skip every time I’m presented with anything that isn’t the main story quest. Characters gameplay feels unique and overall combat is amazing. The game really needs a mount or a vehicle to traverse the world imo. I would never call this an mmo, bc it’s clearly not and so far it’s good but it’s not like the game doesn’t promise to be like genshin impact. There are dozens of similarities between this game and genshin and I still feel that genshin nails down environment better than Wuthering waves. However, rewards and gameplay feel a lot better
Yet Warframe remains one of the only games worth to play to this day 🫶 Wish I could go back in time and start from scratch again 🥲 By the way, Loftia is under development and will be released next year 🤌 I'm really looking forward to that~
Dozens of good mmos are disappearing because UA-cam and Twitch streamers advertise the mmos they get paid for. Even if the games are bad, they try to make them look good. I mean, who would praise a boring and shitty game like Guild Wars 2? This is called manipulation.
The background music of this video is from Kuro's other game punishing gray raven. Also, no surprise, the song is from a boss fight in punishing gray raven.
The MMO genre isn't actually that bad, though. It's just that some really good MMOs have been overlooked due to past bad decisions. Nowadays, however, there are some pretty good ones like WoW, BDO, and Final Fantasy. I've played all of these 3. There is no wrong choice between them. But now i'm playing BDO. BDO is having such good updates and always free expansions. Now they will look with a little more love about the PvP of the game. It's too complete to ignore. Yes, it was P2W and because of that I stopped with BDO long ago but not anymore. Just buy the tent that is 1 time purchase for the account and you are on pair with everyone.
To be honest its better to say they are persona not Pokemon or pals And i do think mmo games at least dont usually have an energy stamina system for grinding which is something wuthering needs to take out, we should have unlimited grinding lol
Well if you want to farm in mmo term gear or armor here in wuthering wave it's echo and you can farm them infinitely. ( The mob on open have respawn time but the world boss doesn't and if your out of mob you can just farm with ya friend or join random people world and farm with them) and yes echo farming doesn't require stamina just kill mob and monster.
looks good but for me the best action online game i have ever played is warframe but if you get older and have arthritis then it is your worst enemy but if not then you will have a blast play warframe for more than 30 mins and tell me you didn't have fun thx for the vid i'll try this one out and remember if it's not fun for you then there's no point in playing
It's already a failure in Asia lmao I had good expectations too 2 years ago, but at this point that game is just bullshit (Still going to try it anyways because it's free)
@@DMDXan why is it a bs ? From what it seems they do try to improve it i mean wtf people expect from an mmo ? Its just like other mkos but its actually a good looking anime mmo ... from what ive seen since 2018 it checks all in my book
Its quite unfortunate for the MMO Scene as they are usually way more grindier because they are not mobile gachas but because they wanted to retain playercounts they just force login rewards or battlepasses just for player retention instead of making new meaningful content or gameplay contents. Wuthering Waves is mostly a Single Player game first and Co-op later, hence why it is able to have a robust combat system. Tbh MMO combat could be as engaging sure but it is usually an exception of the rule like PSO2:NGS(Which I'll argue not exactly an MMO actually). Mobile gacha games despite being more predatory in terms of needing to Gacha for Gameplay content, is unfortunately more profitable hence they had more reasons to make meaningful and gameplay related content.
@@potheadraccoon8536 Then buy an expansion, then refund it and you'll have a free lvl 80 boost lol Or atleast that's what happened to me when i bought one of the expansions but refunded it to buy Dark Souls 3 And i didn't used it since i stopped playing after deleting like 50 characters because none of the classes convince me because the abilities never change at all
You had me till you said gacha lol. Now that doesn't take away from the game being good I just don't enjoy that system but the game does look really good and fun.
That’s the point of this video! The game looks and feels great - and does many of the “MMO” features better than actual MMOs these days which is so sad to see.
Although i like the gameplay of wuthering waves, i don’t like the rng on the echoes. You could be farming four hours, getting the right main stats and the still be screwed later on by not getting the right sub stats. It’s worse then genshin. Because that system is also trash but at least you know right away you’ve been screwed
the only way we get a decent mmo experience is if it comes with predatory gacha systems or p2w shenanigans. Is it the economy? Is it the industry? Sad times.
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Wuwa tbh is more as Open world Gacha RPG that follows the exact same layout as Genshin. MMO's aren't the same as these Open World RPG, these Open World RPG is not shoving multiplayer at your face unlike MMO's (especially mobile) since in WuWa, you can select being a single or hoing a co-op game. Also for me, MMO's are more boring than traditional Open World RPG's.
Ironically, the best MMO I've played in years.. isn't even your traditional MMO. Rather, it's an open-world multiplayer RPG with *many MMO aspects* - one that I genuinely hope MMO studios look at as inspiration when moving into the future. This is the kind of MMO we need, one that takes risks and provides us with something truly fun to enjoy.
its a singleplayer game that also has coop functionally it is not a multiplayer rpg and certainly not an mmo. you can also do none of the endgame in coop.
@@MrBentalton777 i dont think you got his point. He means that the mmo rpg fantasy is displayed in WuWa in many ways not that its a game with many players in a world. If i could be the mc in a mmo game world i would wish to have it look like this
@@IamHolou it's either an mmo or its not and it does not even have any mmo aspects. It has coop that's it. No raids no multiplayer endgame no guilds etc
@@MrBentalton777 obviously you don’t understand, many games can have any mmo aspects that are single player games 🤦♀😂
@@xxxnarurto5747 no they can't lol. Mmo aspects are raids,guilds or any other heavy multiplayer content which ww has none of
The fact that your best MMO experience in recent years isn't an MMO just shows so much about the state of the anime MMO genre. Patiently waiting for the day where we can all hop into a game like SAO, NewWorld Online, or Shangri La Frontier
Yup. Other games are just outperforming MMOs in every area, sadly.
sad but true :(
Maybe not sao so we can be alive...
The state of ANIME mmos has always been the same: lackluster. Its only in the last few years that any anime inspired mmos have been successful or regarded as good.
Well those were in anime form to us, to them it was basically indistinguishable from real life so if we get what they got we should be getting real life looking online worlds to jack into 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The game is Wuthering Waves. You're welcome.
Thank you bro dam
more like genshin impact 2
Bro started yapping and something told me to just check the comments
This channel is poop, why not just say the game name? Thank you
Thank you, I hate these idiots
Wuthering Waves is legit. It was made by a loving team, that care deeply about gameplay. I just can't wait to play it
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just saying but if they have a smooth launch unlike PGR things really might sail smooth for WW
As a Warframe player, my interest spiked when I heard 'parkour'. I'm so spoiled by that game's mobility system that I can't go back to a 'flat world' where the environment is just a giant prop to walk past on the way to the next quest.
I was looking to play Genshin to study its art style for school. How does Wuthering Waves compare visually?
One thing that make me stick with Tower of Fantasy while back, was the character customization, and the Gatcha Element is when you USE the weapon of the hero and not necersarily have to use the hero that you gatcha, just need to use their weapon. But in other gatcha game, you need to use em as character, not just their weapon
agreed. what happen to tof now?
@@radzytaufek604 on the way dying
@@SytoAkira sad. im glad i quit 1year ago
What do you mean? You can just pull a character's weapon on genshin or wuwa
@@justsomeguywithoutabeard8306 i know, but you have to use the character if you want to used that weapon
6:50 that feeling made me drop a lot of games. When you finally achieved something, the journey feels empty since all you did was farm for a while.
Yup. I've grown to not really enjoy it anymore.
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i agree and have found myself down a similar path through gaming, granted i seem to be a bit ahead of you. what these games mostly lack though is the ability to do EVERYTHING with a friend. it was the most disappointing thing about genshin as well, and as soon as we get a game like this where me and my friend can just pick it up and do anything together until we log off, day after day, whether thats story or not... that is the next evolution.
That type of game is a dream bucketlist game of mine.
are there any such games you recommend ?
If you find a game like that let us know !!
Oh I am super pumped. I have been playing Aether Gazer and Punishing Gray Raven since those games started and am looking forward to more Kuro action. They have the best combat currently imho. Open world PGR, yes please.
Same here! I've been enjoying it immensely!
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Wow, this video perfectly captures the sentiment many of us MMO veterans have been feeling lately. It's refreshing to hear someone articulate the struggle of finding that spark again in a genre we love.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that feels this way!
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I downloaded/installed this two days ago and really, really enjoy the hell out of it. Yeah, the combat is fantastic and the story/narrative is just enough to keep you interested but not bore you to death, making you smash Next continuously. Good review, great game.
Most sounds good, but no character creation kills it for me. I'm weird that way. Even though I never play "myself", I just can't enjoy playing premade characters.
From what I understand, this game basically has character locked classes. Even worse than gender locked classes that's so common in especially Korean games and that we all like to complain about.
It's a gacha game. Traditionally they don't have character customisation
Totally understand. I love creating my character as well.
For as much of a mess as it is in other respects, Tower of Fantasy having actual semi-indepth character customization for your avatar/MC is pretty stand-out as far as the genre goes.
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Gatcha games are like a guilty pleasure lol.
They are INCREDIBLY fun but we all know we are incredibly tempted to swipe to unlock more characters. Especially if they are well done and the gameplay is fun.
The problem is gache makes profit if you keep players with a good game you make money but if you want more money than the gameplay justifies you have to go the opposite direction. Sadly making things inconvenient is more profitable, people will spend money to get back to the good part of the game.
I love gacha because the characters are almost always awesome, because people will want them awesome. And not only the characters are good in gacha because of that. All in all i think its a double eged sword, we just have to pray that there are companies not focused on minmaxing profit but on making profit by delivering
This is what gacha should aspire to be. Entice players to pull for a character because they love said character while still allowing players to progress without said character, and NOT because players NEED that character to even make meaningful progress in the game.
I don't, you just can't control yourself
So? What's your point? You have to pay to play FF XIV, to play new world, jeez even on black desert there's a lot of skins, etc that are really expensive and like at almost every other game it's your choice to pay. With kuro I play PGR and I have the meta charas that I want with all their stuffs (weapons, ect) so I can trust on them for a balance game, honestly
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This looks very cool and I know this is shallow but I REALLY want a character creator
That's fine! There's nothing wrong with that! I also want a creator!
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We need this game so bad. Thank you for the detailed and honest review
Thank you for watching!!
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Wuthering Waves lesgooo
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while i'm still fully devoted to ffxiv, wuwa had me so excited and sad that i didn't get into the beta. Seriously can't wait for this game, hopefully it's as we think a summer-fall release!
Thankfully it isn't too far off release!
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Welcome back! Early here again 😊
Heck yeah, man!
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the "thing i wanted in a mmo but it isnt in an mmo" games for me have been the original phantasy star online, and monster hunter rise lol
OG PSO is amazing!!
Yesss! The original PSO!! Man.
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Its so weird I feel like these kind of games with a higher budget (maybe) and a gameplay loop like Diablo could be everything
I realy feel every word of your intro. Its like the mmo i always wanted to play just not mmo
Right? It's crazy. It's everything I wanted.. just not an MMO. Why can't we have an MMO like this?
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What we need is a mix of Guildwars2 with BDO with Zelda graphics, in a truly infinite open world (no loading screens) where we can infinitely venture forth.
Can I play as 1 chr? 1 thing I hate about gocha games is that i cant play just one chr and that takes away from the emersion I much prefer to impersonate 1 person than play 4 every time. It was nice that BG3 was vastly playable as only one person in the party unlike games like genshin where it was either impossible cuz of time constraints or just really annoying and take too long to do anything to progress.
Yes if you want you can paly as 1 character there's no elemental reaction in this game. Also for safety you can bring a healer but, who cares for healer when u plan on not getting hit the first place🤣
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This game is insanely skilled based, you can defeat any boss with any character , the requirement being just don’t get hit.
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Yeah, You can just play as the Main Character for the whole game.
They have very good kit and can compete
Can the story be played in coop?
most likely nah. since everyone will have different progression progress in their own account. and some quests may unlock areas you otherwise wouldnt have unlocked in your own world yet under normal circumstances.
Another game with similarly complex combat is Dragon Nest(although if you gonna play it, play on private servers with no p2w shop, official Korean version is filled with p2w).
The movement itself is a bit slow still, but the combat itself is so god damn FUN. Y'all missing out if you never tried Dragon Nest cuz it was one of the only two mmos that held my interest for so long in a genre I don't like(the other one is DDTank which isn't exactly MMO, more of a mmo lite worms game, but that one was peak too with sadly p2w moments)
i hate to even have to say this but i truly feel its true. the next big mmo isnt going to come from an already established AAA studio. its going to come from a small team of indie developers working together to coalesce a dream into reality. Sadly im too old to learn all the ins and outs of game development i fear, but i want to make my own game that brings the feeling of first playing guild wars or world of warcraft, elden ring, and even the dreamcast version of phantasy star online. So far ive worked with another to develop a world with races and classes, backstory, and some sketches for concept art. neither of us know how to put this into the digital world and bring it to life. we need collaborators that know how to bring these visions to life.
Here is my take on any Gacha after playing Genshin Impact. How rewarding it is for F2P or maybe Dolphins
Its hard to say what rewards there will actually be on launch because the CBT2 events are clearly only meant for CBT2. But I think its ever so slightly on the lower side of currency available from the open world and quests.
The real thing though is that at least on global we can't tell how P2W this is. Crit is a really hard stat to come by except by the 5 star weapons, but I haven't seen much discussion on how much that boosts your DPS or if that even matters because if you take on hard combat your DPS doesn't mean shit if you don't adapt to the boss patterns properly.
How can a single player game be p2w? You're not competing against anyone. What are you winning lol
@@Filthycasual17 You arent wrong, perhaps I should have worded it differently. But there are people who think stuff like genshin/hsr are pay to winwhen I think its pay to lose since you take away the fun lol.
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@@PyrusnVentusbut if it's like there other game pgr even if you spend all that money for weapon and constellation your ass still gonna get kick if you get hit 1 or 2 time lmao. ( Also spending money for constellation do bost there dmg but unlike genshin you can't one shot them at all the only benefits will be you take like 2 - 3 minutes less to beat them if you don't get hit ofcourse 🗿)
the only reason I quit Genshin was because when sprinting it would eat ur stamina, and the regen was kinda slow, im glad this game didnt do the same thing, thats probably also why I preferred Tower of Fantasy over Genshin, I didnt care about the characters much, but at least I had mounts or no stamina use on sprinting (I saw Genshin made a character that made open world more enjoyable, so once I get her, it might be fun again)
this game launching in 3 days from now doesnt feel real. i've been waiting SO long for this
I feel bad. How has your experience with WW and the community been after 2 days?
@@ericsai744game hella fun people having performance issues are playing on legit toasters
idk about secret worlds main story, but its lore and world building and additional side story quests that flesh out the world? those are all top tier. especially for those that like horror and mystery.
also canonically Illuminati takes drugs to see into the past and Dragon.... Dragon breaks ToS to do so. I mean talk about an intro to a game. You show up and some lady goes down on you and then suddenly you're fighting demons.
also in terms of story ToF has a decent concept for its story with the whole time warp bubble thing. its execution though is a bit.... lacking. which i think mainly has to do with they way it handle trying to stretch content.
I feel like they took everything great about Genshin and made it better. The biggest thing being the combat. WW looks so much better.
"I know what you're thinking, it's not like Genshin" continues to describe Genshin
Pretty excited to try this one out for sure, seems fun! Gatcha is okay, in the grand scheme of things imo. But I do enjoy them without spending a dime!
I'd prefer no Gacha as well, but the game is just too good to pass up honestly.
Name of the game?
Wuthering Waves@@syedgouse4345
Wuthering waves
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I've been playing various MMO in mobile in the past, not until I played Chimeraland (in-game purchases aside the game is lit and the best for me) and now the game is discontinued for global server, now for me the current MMO that i know or heard of are not entertaining or fun anymore 😔
IMHO the best one is Guild Wars 2, respect player's time, super fun, super challenging but you can simply chill and play whatever you want, horizontal progression, you can leave and go back 2 years later and your stuff is still usefull but have a lot of stuff to do and I con go on and on.
I felt this 100000000%, my man. I need a new MMO game.
Right? Yet all we get is mobile MMO after mobile MMO haha.
@@MMOByte for real huh!? Lol.
@@MMOByte true. devs nowadays just want to milk whales
We want OUR own character to level up, customize and love :(
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Hello. I couldn't find any information, but maybe you know more. Any info on Lineage 2 remaster? You had a video about it 4 years ago, nothing since.
I've literally been waiting for WW since a video preview of it years ago and I want to play it so bad. (Saying that, it's so funny to see genshin players losing their minds for this game lmao)
Even though it's in Beta, it's so good!
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@@MMOByte That's the best part it's a beta so the final product should be something to enjoy for real. And to be honest, I play Punishing Gray Raven, so I trust Kuro games on what they are doing 120% let them cook!
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not even an mmo, this channel is beyond joke at this point
Tower of Fantasy is an actual MMO with awesome movement/ and combat if you guys are looking for something to play. It is a bit janky on the cutscenes but the open world and missions, mini games and activities are really diverse and immersive. I’ve got some short videos showing it off. I don’t even care about views I just want more ppl to know how good ToF is! 😂
Whats the name of tbe game
Doesn't currently matter. I will be done and dusted in June when Hoyoverse's 2 new patches drop as well as.
Wuthering waves or the kuro team really pay attention to player feedback no matter how harsh it is
Cant wait for weathering waves...
Also ive been waiting to play blue protocol since it was announced and it still isnt out there is only so much a person can wait before they no longer care
Same I quit caring about all the games that showcase years before release and just move on! Especially when they go back and revamp the entire game because the players that got to beat the game wanted a whole new game!
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Is that PGR soundtrack in the background?
Wuthering Waves, thank me later. Seriously dude...
yup thanks
I'm not going to lie... I'm pretty excited to see that you've actually touched/seen the game "No More Room In Hell" haha!
Haha yesss!!
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Punishing grey was the only gacha I have ever truly enjoyed, but my main complaint was the area design and quests, but if that's fixed and the combat is improved upon even more this could be a GOTY for me. And to all the salty genshin fans that disliked this video, it ain't gonna kill genshin, it's just going to compete and make genshin better.
I play only on steam. Steam doesn't have Stellar Blade or Wuthering Waves. sadge.
I play genshin and i havent spent a dime on it. ive gotten lucky with what the game offers for free.dont get me wrong i have wanted to spend on it but ive resisted so far.
This is why I wish genshin is MMO.
WuWaves looks ... ok i guess
but i dont really see it fleshing out its own identity, everything just looks like "genshin but better" and that seems to be everyone's attitude towards this game either
The garbage rng is still there
the same degrees of replayability is still there
the combat isn't really all that impressive to me,
its just... genshin but better
ppl will get bored in 3 months, complain theres nothing to do, and they're being "forced" to play the game. just like in genshin
If the devs are mindful of this, then maybe they'll pull this off! and i wish them luck!
I hope the community can at least be more patient with WuWaves than with genshin, because this community is ruthless when it comes to free shit and milestones
rng is there sure but the difference is you can farm as much as you want for the stats you want you are not limited by stamina/resin systems. also idk whats not impressive to you about combat when it has far better combat than most every game in existence. not even AAA games compare with rare exceptions like dmc and nier and soulslike games. also ww has endgame and infinite farming something genshin has neither of. the ONLY reason people say its just genshin but better is they are both open world anime action rpgs with gacha but outside of that genshin is nothing at all like ww
@@MrBentalton777 Parry and just frame mechanics are as old as the "action combat" genre itself, so acting like its the next best thing is... strange, to say the least. but ok buddy
also, infinite farming? provided your mobs respawn how long exactly? and have you actually looked at open world? There are massive stretches of literally nothing as far as the eye can see, the spots in between one pack of mobs and the next gives you the illusion of "infinite" farming, but the mob count is exceptionally low for an "open world" experience. so I really dont value it that greatly.
Also, what is WW end game besides boss rush and a roguelike? That's not much, if you think it is, then... daaaaamn
to be fair to the people demanding free stuff, hoyo has definitely been much more stringent with their free rewards than many other gacha games. of course they have their reasons, their games are pretty easy to enjoy without having to pull a lot, but even within the company they're not very consistent (e.g. hi3 giving free s-rank selectors every now and again, hsr getting 20 free pulls and a free 5* all within the span of like 2 months, while genshin gets 3 pulls for CNY).
hopefully if kurogames follows the reward formula of their other game, punishing gray raven, people will be satisfied. i've heard pgr is one of the most f2p-friendly gachas out rn.
@@stellasilverr its an opportunity for kurogames for sure, but only time will tell
HSR is proof that hoyo can be generous if they really want to be, and if pgr is f2p friendly then all good for them. I'm sure the community will be happy to see this as the game launches and the efforts they bring!
@@user-gi6hd5ol6f I never said parrries are unique to ww now did I. Also yes infinite farming when you can just go around collecting echoes and when your world's echoes are gone for the day you can go into other random worlds and get echoes there too. Hologram, rougelike, abyss and they will add many more
I find the game to be very interesting. But the best of this sub-genre, mostly because of the well built story and new worlds they are introducing in Star Rail ( basically Genshin 2.0).
Like this, it has a very unique feel but is polished and seamless. You aren't doing PVP and it's entirely single player, but it is a fantastic story and there are tons of small side quests and well thought-out events. The best part is that the grind really isn't one. Just play the story and do all of the side quests and you'll level just fine.
Having a MMO that's basically Genshin Impact/WW but with more people would be perfect to me.
PSO2 NGS is probably about the closest thing to that at present but the world design is rather bland in terms of what there is to find/discover aside from enemies to farm and the endgame is still largely just sitting around waiting for events to pop like in the original.
Now all we need is someone to actually make it!
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I hope Asobimo would upgrade their best MMO Toram Online to the graphics of Genshin and WuWa
Ok, you've convinced me to give this a try when it launches. I won't put any money into it, mind you, since I hate gacha.. but if the game is playable and enjoyable without it, then why not? Thanks for the recommendation here!
The only thing I didn't like is that the characters whose design worked the most, except for a couple, are 4 stars.
How would you compaire this with Genshin? A lot of it screams genshin to me, the UI, the animations, health bars, environments. I sadly didnt get in on the beta so couldnt test for myself
The actual Genshin 2.0 is Star Rail as it is the same company. It's single-player but is extremely polished and a lot of money and time went into events, world-building, and VA. It feels as close to a console game like Star Ocean as you'll get out of these type of games. The characters also seem much more 3D/"real" in Star Rail, IMO. I've played up to the current content and haven't spent a dime on it, so it's not full of level and paywalls, either. Just do the missions and story and enjoy.
@@josephoberlander Thanks, but the video and my question was regarding Wuthering Waves and how it compares, not Star Rail :)
@@amaimonakihikoPlay more games than genshin.
@@Xokas2.0 Yes because Genshin is obviously the only game I play... 🤦♂️ I haven't played Genshin in a year lol. I ask because its obviously very close in gameplay, style, combat, etc.. Maybe you should stop playing other games and go back to school if you're too dense to recognize that.
@@amaimonakihiko It's far from close. WW is much better. You saying it's close only means you played genshin and just genshin.
huh Wuwa isnt even MMO
what he's yapping?
Fr, I'm wondering what's mmo mean to them. Kinda Funny 😂
When does it come out
I need a real mmo, not another genshin :c
This game does look like it has good combat, if my friend had more storage on their phone I might try this out with them, but Hoyo games seem to all take up a large amount of space
I've not looked into Hoyo's other games but I've really been enjoying Star Rail. The setting and characters are really nice, but the fact that it's inspired by my favourite JRPG series (the Trails series) is a huge thing for me and why I checked it out in the first place.
This isn't made by hoyoverse. Completely different developer
@@Filthycasual17 Oh yeah, you're right. The UI and style looked so similar I thought it was a Hoyoverse game. Huh.
I've always thought MMOByte had no credibility in the MMO Space, but this just settles it. Dudes lost it.
2:53 Aaaand just like that you lost me.
You forget to mention GW2 which should be considered a hard hitter in the ganra. If you haven't delved into that game then you're missing out on a huge MMORPG full of everything.
imo the best mmorpg is cyberpunk 2077 and witcher 3
Being completely honest, this game’s story doesn’t move me one bit. It’s the classic “you don’t know who you are, and the whole plot revolves on that”. The best story is on character quests. I found myself doing exactly what I do in genshin or ir star rail, spamming skip every time I’m presented with anything that isn’t the main story quest.
Characters gameplay feels unique and overall combat is amazing. The game really needs a mount or a vehicle to traverse the world imo.
I would never call this an mmo, bc it’s clearly not and so far it’s good but it’s not like the game doesn’t promise to be like genshin impact. There are dozens of similarities between this game and genshin and I still feel that genshin nails down environment better than Wuthering waves. However, rewards and gameplay feel a lot better
Yeah, it's also the best shooter I've played this month. It's not a shooter, but you get the point.
Yet Warframe remains one of the only games worth to play to this day 🫶 Wish I could go back in time and start from scratch again 🥲 By the way, Loftia is under development and will be released next year 🤌 I'm really looking forward to that~
Dude, this is just genshin with a sci-fi skin and better combat. And that's fine, but it's no reinvention of the wheel or anything.
It is, it's all genshin would, could and should have been.
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@@Xokas2.0 Hope so. It looks fun.
Dozens of good mmos are disappearing because UA-cam and Twitch streamers advertise the mmos they get paid for. Even if the games are bad, they try to make them look good. I mean, who would praise a boring and shitty game like Guild Wars 2? This is called manipulation.
Guild wars 2 IS fun to a lot of people though, even if it doesn’t appeal to you
Is the background music of your video all from Wuthering Waves? Because that makes me want to try this game out even more aside from the aesthetic.
The background music of this video is from Kuro's other game punishing gray raven.
Also, no surprise, the song is from a boss fight in punishing gray raven.
@@dennisengland4770 Oh snap, okay. Thanks for the info dude.
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HELP please, XD what was the game?
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It's not a mmo the kuro dev already said that it's an ARPG Game 0_0
The MMO genre isn't actually that bad, though. It's just that some really good MMOs have been overlooked due to past bad decisions. Nowadays, however, there are some pretty good ones like WoW, BDO, and Final Fantasy.
I've played all of these 3. There is no wrong choice between them. But now i'm playing BDO. BDO is having such good updates and always free expansions. Now they will look with a little more love about the PvP of the game. It's too complete to ignore. Yes, it was P2W and because of that I stopped with BDO long ago but not anymore. Just buy the tent that is 1 time purchase for the account and you are on pair with everyone.
To be honest its better to say they are persona not Pokemon or pals
And i do think mmo games at least dont usually have an energy stamina system for grinding which is something wuthering needs to take out, we should have unlimited grinding lol
Some MMOs have stamina, like SoulWorker and Dungeon Fighter Online!
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Well if you want to farm in mmo term gear or armor here in wuthering wave it's echo and you can farm them infinitely. ( The mob on open have respawn time but the world boss doesn't and if your out of mob you can just farm with ya friend or join random people world and farm with them) and yes echo farming doesn't require stamina just kill mob and monster.
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looks good but for me the best action online game i have ever played is warframe but if you get older and have arthritis then it is your worst enemy but if not then you will have a blast play warframe for more than 30 mins and tell me you didn't have fun thx for the vid i'll try this one out and remember if it's not fun for you then there's no point in playing
we need blue protocol asap to save us all
It's already a failure in Asia lmao
I had good expectations too 2 years ago, but at this point that game is just bullshit (Still going to try it anyways because it's free)
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@@DMDXan why is it a bs ? From what it seems they do try to improve it i mean wtf people expect from an mmo ? Its just like other mkos but its actually a good looking anime mmo ... from what ive seen since 2018 it checks all in my book
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how do you play this game? like how do u play the cbt
Its quite unfortunate for the MMO Scene as they are usually way more grindier because they are not mobile gachas but because they wanted to retain playercounts they just force login rewards or battlepasses just for player retention instead of making new meaningful content or gameplay contents.
Wuthering Waves is mostly a Single Player game first and Co-op later, hence why it is able to have a robust combat system. Tbh MMO combat could be as engaging sure but it is usually an exception of the rule like PSO2:NGS(Which I'll argue not exactly an MMO actually).
Mobile gacha games despite being more predatory in terms of needing to Gacha for Gameplay content, is unfortunately more profitable hence they had more reasons to make meaningful and gameplay related content.
Just play Guild Wars 2 then
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that game is boring as hell if feels like a single player game till level 80@@DMDXan
@@potheadraccoon8536 Then buy an expansion, then refund it and you'll have a free lvl 80 boost lol
Or atleast that's what happened to me when i bought one of the expansions but refunded it to buy Dark Souls 3
And i didn't used it since i stopped playing after deleting like 50 characters because none of the classes convince me because the abilities never change at all
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Forget that, what is this song called?
Punishing Gray Raven-Hikari (Vanguard Sound Studio)
Regarding Combat the only MMO that has responsive fluid and nice combat is BDO
TERA THE KING 👑
Is this music from Snowbreak: Containment Zone?
Dont mind if this is 200gb lol....the combat is fluid....been waiting for years 😅
I'm curious, do you play single player non-live service games?
The best Ferrari I ever had, it wasn't a Ferrari.... LOL
Freudian slip :)
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Brother, mention the fkin Gamename in the Infobox at least, goddamn. Felt like I was searching the one piece.
You had me till you said gacha lol. Now that doesn't take away from the game being good I just don't enjoy that system but the game does look really good and fun.
That’s the point of this video! The game looks and feels great - and does many of the “MMO” features better than actual MMOs these days which is so sad to see.
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Dude I'm beyond excited for this game. The husbandos are so hot and actually look like men and not boys like genshin
Yup! They look incredible!
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its gacha bro
I really don't know why people keep calling open world CO-Op games MMO....
It is a Tower of fantasy copy
Although i like the gameplay of wuthering waves, i don’t like the rng on the echoes. You could be farming four hours, getting the right main stats and the still be screwed later on by not getting the right sub stats. It’s worse then genshin. Because that system is also trash but at least you know right away you’ve been screwed
Well it will be fixed on release, this is just a beta test not the offcial game release
God I wish there was a different MMO news channel, I get irrationally mad any time I watch one of this guys videos
def looking forward to wuthering waves
the only way we get a decent mmo experience is if it comes with predatory gacha systems or p2w shenanigans. Is it the economy? Is it the industry? Sad times.
should try gw2
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#AeroTales
#playtoearn(Not NFT)
#MMORPG
Tired of idle mmo hands off games with auto play ,bots , paytowin mechanics and hundreds of server?
Play Aero Tales the mechanics is like an old school mmorpg.
Playertoplayer trade
Vend mode (store/stall)
Pvp (duel/arena/factionwar/guild war)
No auto play (except auto potions)
Manual loot system(free 7 days auto loot pet)
6 classes (Male: Swordsman/wizard/archer Female:Samurai/witch/ranger(gunslinger)
No stamina system (unlimited dungeon raids/fishing/farming)
Play to earn (8-10 php/1m gold)
No VIP system
Only 1 server with 2 channels
Cross platform (mobile and pc)
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Please share....
Wuwa tbh is more as Open world Gacha RPG that follows the exact same layout as Genshin. MMO's aren't the same as these Open World RPG, these Open World RPG is not shoving multiplayer at your face unlike MMO's (especially mobile) since in WuWa, you can select being a single or hoing a co-op game. Also for me, MMO's are more boring than traditional Open World RPG's.
subjective.
this isnt even an mmo, this is a action jrpg
Probably telling us the name of the game or atleast putting it in the description would have been great.