...Perfectly said. "The reason why nobody likes Woke Characters is because they're not written as people first, but as a checklist for idiots who only see people for their skin color or sexual identity." Perfectly said.
This is true. And I'm not going against anyone of their race or gender. A good story needs good writing, characters, and the layout of the world. Not just some marry-sue who think they are hotshit and powerful. That would be in Anime.
The majority of people, mostly straight people with white skin want to see more people of different skin colors and sexual orientations in their media. This is because they listen to minority groups who tell them they want to be represented more in the media, usually because their friends are in those groups. Media corporations then incorporate this into their media to comply with consumer demand. I can tell this is a right-winger channel but us leftists also think that corporate pandering is cringe - however it’s the only way under this capitalist system that politically powerless minorities can receive the representation straight white people have had for generations. Corporations have control over whether or not they do it *right* I.e not resorting to stereotypes in order to push the idea that you are “super inclusive!” But doing it in itself is not bad and essentially complaining about having people who look different from yourself in the media is not a good look unless all your friends and colleagues look like you too. Having progressive politics in corporate media? Cringe asf. Always doing it wrong. Always surface level BS to appease socially progressive libs to make them feel better about themselves. They always talk about how bad capitalism is, and how bad racism is, but don’t do anything to actually fight it - because it’s not in their best interest to do so, they only have to sell you that they are.
@@JerichoYeet yeah anime has become a lot more mainstream, our writers are starting to become like them which is kinda sad to see since they can’t match the animation so we are stuck with mid stories and mid art to go along with it.
I think sexual orientation is more of a focus than skin collar. If a character is black and nonbinary. It's the nonbinary part that's supposed to wow you. Atleast that's how i see it. I could be wrong about the skin color thing.
I wouldn't mind if it was across the board. But imagine the carnage if black panther was anything but *really* black no mixed fake nonsense. Or they made storm white 😂
Can I point out how back when the Kenobi show was released. Disney made a post saying don’t be racist. But where have all the alien creatures gone in Star Wars? Why only human characters?
Am i the only one who truly doesnt think color is that special? I honestly dont care about the romanticism and glamorization of race...i am interested in ideas, thoughts, integrity and philosophy...skin color seems so shallow and vain. When a whole characters only special card is their race it is so boring and it feels that it exists only to make you feel inferior ...its really weird.
This is precisely what they did to Wheel of Time. The women in the books were absolutely badass, but when these people say "strong women characters" they don't actually mean strong women. They mean a sort of childish, uncreative "girlz rule, boys drool" brand of feminism that appeals to absolutely nobody but a few haters.
The Wheel of Time is a bad example, a very bad one, the books itself is disgusting, painfully drawn out, with an insane number of unnecessary characters and plot lines, the author is simply a cosmic graphomaniac, so graphomaniac that he couldn’t even finish the books and died. The author had a very specific fetish for strong women, even in some kind of BDSM format, and fully realized it in the book; I’m actually surprised that they decided to film this piece of graphomania. I read all the books, just to never even return to this horror, I still feel bad about it.This work goes far beyond the discussion in the video. Projecting your fetishes and strange thoughts that lie far beyond the scope of good writing (the desire to create many characters, write a specific, most likely more number of books, give each and every one of these many characters dozens of storylines, describe everything in the smallest detail, although it is obvious that if you are not an artist, and you do not need to draw anything according to the description, all the descriptions will disappear from your head in about 10 minutes, becoming more compact, but the time for reading is wasted.) is something beyond the bounds good and evil, the worst version of the self-insert.
I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them
My experiences with bullying were quite different from what you described. For most of my life my motto has been enjoy it while it's good then nope out when things get controversial. PS: this only applies to entertainment not real life situations.
I was a normie, but I became a nerd over time and stayed like that and enjoyed being a nerd. But the smart thing to do was to stay under the radar of other normies.
I refer to it as the gentrification of geek/nerd culture. We usually gravitate toward these things because we were shunned and pushed out of the mainstream. Now that we've made these things popular they want to push us out and take it for themselves. And get mad at us because we don't like it
"I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them" Agreed, except that it isn't the normies who are doing that shit, but a bunch of mentally ill narcissists who think that nothing that doesn't pander to their ideology should have the right to exist.
@@SergioBocanegra I was looked down on and mocked growing up liking nerdy things. Then being older seeing those same people wearing the shirts, watching the same stuff, etc that they mocked me for makes it that much worse
I remember reading a Spider-Man comic from the 1970s. In that comic a black man waves Spider-Man down as he's swinging around just to thank Spidey for being such a good role model to the kids in the "hood". Spider-Man told him he wasn't black, but the man said it didn't matter. Since Spider-Man's costume covered his entire body, every kid, no matter their color, could see themselves as Spider-Man. Black, Latino, Asian, white, it didn't matter. It was Spider-Man's actions, deeds, and heroism that inspired them all. How far we've fallen.
I hadn't really thought of that. But it's true, as long as the secret identity is secret, it could be anyone under that mask. What a lovely, wonderful way of recognizing that.
If I'm correct, stan Lee himself said that that was an unintentional but wonderful aspect of Spiderman. Sadly it doesn't work as much anymore because now we apparently need more drama instead of villain VS hero. How far we've fallen indeed.
Yeah fnafic writers gained experienced and by the power of being a fanfic so they don't have to follow the orders and line of thought of thw corporations + being able to skirt around canon, they startwd making better shit than the actual writers. Honestly sometimes I think that fanfic writers should be hired to make content of the media they love so much
Because todays writers were yesterdays fanfiction writers. Thats what a lot of these modern characters feel like, fanfiction characters created so the writer can interact directly with their favorite franchises.
I originally got into fanfiction to improve my writing skills, read some fun What If... scenarios and escape some bad mainstream media. But now, it's mostly to get from mainstream media!
Wanna hear something horrible! So you know the whole “star fire child” thing was originally a fan fiction. It was supported by the fans and had small little comic strips that everyone loved. Then the creator of the “I am not star fire” (forgot the name of the author), threatened to sue the fan fiction artist and had almost every fan fiction depicting the child of star fire copy right striked and taken down. She literally for several months went on a campaign of trying to remove all fan fiction so no one could talk bad about her comic even though it sucked
I still remember when the new trilogy of Star Wars showed Finn handling a Lightsaber and people were pretty in for that idea. Then they said that Finn was gonna be a Stormtrooper and people went absolutely nuts because we all thought that we are gonna get an incredible story of a Stormtrooper building his path into the Jedi warrior way. But then they throw us Rey. which ended up being really disappointing for all of us.
Exactly. There was a good story there with an original story line. But nope. Disney has to promote ALL Female characters to the top. It's still happening even today.
Yeah, I was so damn disappointed. A friend of mine happens to be black and me and him quit a rather controversial group that preached of equality, justice for colored people, justice for women, and we were essentially stormtroopers then. Brainwashed and believed in a cause we didn't understand but it must have been right. Then we realized the wrong we were doing and left. Then again, that happened way after in like the 2020. But that would have been so amazing and hit close to home for me even back in the day where I was all confused in my life. Biggest disappointment ever. But it had potential but, a stormtrooper to Jedi would have been awesome.
My problem with woke characters is as follows: 1. The focus on their identity is not a replacement for a personality. A person's sexual preference or skin color is not and should not be a huge part of their personality. It is also naturally divisive as obsession over identity has been a huge problem for this species to overcome, especially in recent years. 2. They are often self inserts set to replace established characters. Self inserts, like you showed, can be good characters, but bringing one into an established franchise usually means that they attempt to steal the reigns and attention of that franchise.
The first point is also why people who make being gay their personality are so hated. Like please be more than the pride flag hung on your wall and get a hobby
@@RobynMarshall-wr7zr Congratulations! You just assumed multiple things about me based on a UA-cam pfp I haven’t changed in 8 years. Here’s a medal 🏅 Also to note on your other comment on this video about Wolverine and Xmen: The entire point of the video is that a character’s sexuality or skin color should only be a side detail and not their personality. Wolverine is a character with lots of trauma, flaws, character development, struggles and more. Look at the Logan movie for instance. This goes for other xmen as well, if you take out their sexuality or skin color there’s still a character there unlike the examples in the video. The entire point of the video is that there should be more characters that represent minorities but they should be actually good characters, and new characters instead of just retconing past characters half hazzardly.
To come so close to realizing the multic*lturalism and multir*cialism have done nothing but destroy society and then just default right back to "but muh escapism!", how sad.
No mention of Ashoka? She was a character people didn't like when she was introduced as Anakim's Padawan... But she is now a fan favorite for many, because her story is good, she evolved... She actually became her own character and not just the slap on.
@@1hpredkingtower432 Well, my reasons will probably be disagreed with heavily; since you ask I just find her to be very underwhelming to the SW universe- sure, she’s got a huge pivotal role concerning Anakin and his change overtime, but to me I always felt that was really her only role in the universe was to serve as a catalyst for Anakin’s change into Darth Vader. I don’t BELIEVE she’s the prime reason he changed but she had some hand in it. With that said, I always felt that there were much better and more important characters that could carry the legacy of what she was given during Clone Wars and so on. I just think she’s been so popularized because of the cartoon show that it made no room for the creators to expand on the roster of Jedi’s and Padiwans. I don’t have anything against her character itself, but more of her significance to the universe; she technically has been around since the rise of the empire back then, but she’s not the only one, and she’s most definitely not one of the strongest characters to endure it. It’s more of a dichotomy issue I have with her than it is her character itself. She’s definitely super cool, has really unique traits in combat and is quite an awesome Jedi all-around but she gets all of this praise and gloat that it’s as if no one wants to give another character some time to shine in the universe. Her obtaining her own show as well as appearing in other shows and film, just reeks of forced fan-fiction than what more there could be added to the universe. I mean think about heroes that are in novels and comics, but never get a chance to appear in media because they just were never popular or characterized enough? She shows up in Clone Wars and all of the sudden, she’s cannon and now has a huge following.
Hate can be useful. We should have the courage to have the same hatred toward the people pushing this stuff as much as they do us, if not moreso. Just don't be consumed by it.
A few years ago bad fanfic writers were called out because of "poor rainbow colored self insert OCs" - today those bad fanfic writers somehow sit in the studios...
@@PancakeTheKat I doubt both of us mean the SAME fanfic writers... I really talk about those insecure, confused, whiney teenagers who have no clue of design and don't care about the source material, just want to have a self-insert character in a franchise they like to feel better. I am not talking about the good fanfic writers. Yes, they are out there and they can be really good. But they don't use self-inserts like this...
@@saenekokun2723 Yes... Even when there is nothing to "empower". But when everybody is crazy, normal becomes the new crazy. Maybe we can witness this someday...
Remember when we used to mock Tumblr and Fanfiction that made superficial/self insert characters the whole focus? Now we're expected to love them because it would be the polite thing to do.
@@synchacker25 Feels more like those fanfic writers are writing better quality characters and stories than the multi-billion companies. For me, I had almost no expectations for The Last Jedi, and Disney had, in my own opinion, still failed to reach them.
@@synchacker25shit, when i was little i thought - "its need to be extremely smart to work there so i cant..." and i just see now all this dumbass shitheads shitting all over i loved fuck it
Man, I loved the drama of Deadpool and Death love.That they love each other, but can never truly be together, because Pool cannot die for good, and only visits her, when he is critically injured. It was special
@@elpedromoinguarantee you the original creators Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza did not decide on that. And most of the time he’s with a girl not a dude
Not gonna lie, I wanted Fin to be the main character. He just felt more believable. Even in the original trailers for the new set. It felt like he was supposed to be the one to become a jedi. Maybe I'm just remembering the commercials incorrectly.
@@joel2749 he certainly would have but unfortunately white people hate seeing minorities especially black people in prominent roles and the majority of the star wars fandom is white so Disney knew that making finn the protagonist would be a bad idea doesn't matter how well a black character is written white people will still hate him anyway unless he is written to be some idiotic comedic relief
The very worst thing about Luke trying to kill his nephew is that he failed. The strongest jedi in the history of ever failed to kill a sleeping child. Okay sure, Disney.
Nah dude that's definitely not it, it's the fact that he would have even considered doing that in the 1st place because he thought there was a *chance* that his nephew would turn to the dark side. That completely goes against the type of character that we know Luke to be.
@@jordanfelt5978 They could have easily put in some reasoning that he was being subtly manipulated for years, and all it led to was a literal singular moment of weakness. Luke isn't even immune to the Dark Side in the comics - post Episode 6, mind you - and it HAS screwed with him. People keep saying that he's incorruptibly pure, when the comics show that - while he IS largely, overwhelmingly pure - he is NOT immune to darker emotions. He's not perfect, he's human.
@@Kashlikaro ooookay...? I didn't say and was not implying that I thought he was perfect or something like that. I was just pointing out the obvious.....that Luke clearly shows true wisdom in the original trilogy where he's the kind of person who would clearly think through a situation before just assassinating his nephew because he had one bad dream. Like, I don't know if you're trying to defend the sequel trilogy or something? But simply based on your response it seems like you somehow completely misinterpreted what I was saying, my dude.
One of my biggest issues with the disney trilogy of star wars films was how they hyped the ex stormtrooper dude up as an equal protagonist if not more so to rey with her being a side kick or coprotagoinist just to shove him to the side lines for most of the next 2 films
Finn was awesome in Force awakens, then they just put him through some lame subplots in the following movies. Last jedi even blue balled everyone with the absolute nothing that was the Captain Phasma showdown, that should have been Finn shedding off the last remnants of trauma and loss of identity being conscripted as a Storm Trooper would do and besting the the penultimate Stormtrooper proving that by becoming more than just a number he has become not only stronger but a better person, that could have been such a strong scene. A 1 minute fight scene some explosions and phasma looking a little worried and just dies then onto Hoth... I mean red salt planet.
I don’t mean to an ass but the reason is pretty blatant,China is a very racist country so most of Finn’s scenes were set up in a way that they could be very easily edited out without much effort so the film could be aired there luckily this has seeming bit Disney in the ass because most of disneys films are banned in China
not to mention that in China the character was made smaller on posters and generally given less attention which basically goes against what they were preaching in the first place because 'chinese-money go cha-ching'
The story of Gina Carano, Cara Dune pisses me off so much. They had a successful diverse female in their space show, fans could see her carrying her own show, yet she deviated from "the message" by one sentence, and now she is banished to the void.
I don’t remember the exact words, I’m paraphrasing here, but it was along the lines of : being politically right leaning feels like being a Jew during the Holocaust.
@@Paronak What she actually said/posted basically was she compared some of the behaviour of how conservatives are treated by the extreme left to how the Nazi's treated the Jews before killing them. And in my opinion she wasint entirely wrong.
@@ectsy he not smoking anything he is just too busy drinking the woke kool-aid he might actually say something cool if he was smoking some of that good shit
The basic difference between Luke and Rey is that Luke was a nobody, he didn't have any special abilities and didn't even know about the force. He had to learn, he had to train to become a Jedi. On the other hand, Rey was already kind of like this person who was able to do everything out of intuition, able to keep up with Ben Solo in a sword fight with no training. She intuitively learned how to heal and revive people using the force - a power that not even Yoda ever used. She became a superpowered character just because. Like Disney believes that a compelling character is someone who already has all these powers and is so perfect. No, compelling charachters really go through a growth process. They are people you can identify with, because they are a nobody like you and they become that special someone. That is why Luke is way better than Rey
@@carlosdanger5466 Sure, he didn't traun for very long, but he made up for lack of training with in-field experience. Hell, the entire second movie was about him rushing to fight and save everyone even though he wasn't ready because he wanted to save his friends, and wound up losing his hand and almost dying. He had to try and fail, Rey literally beat kylo the first time she picked up a freaking lightsaber. She is the epitiome of a mary sue
@@danielniemeyer1987 Sure, but untrained talent will be beaten by skill and experince. That's exactly what happened to anakin. He was born to the force and yet he lost to obi wan because he got cocky. Anakin wasn't a mary sue because, even though he had termendous power, he was FAR from perfect and lost fights due to his impulsiveness. But rey, on the other hand, picks up a lightsaber for the first time and beats a highly trained and skilled fighter easily. She is the ultimate Mary Sue
The first time Rey used the force in FW, that would not have been a bad scene had she wondered what the hell she just did or questioned how that even happened. Right there you have her exploring her potential and asking questions. That could have been a great way to develop her character as she worked her way out of the First Order prison. But no, she is just "force aware" and automatically knows how to use it.
I'd say it would still be bad just because of what power she used. The mind trick is, from what I've heard and read, a master level force ability that takes ages of training to learn how to use. It would have worked better if she just used the force to pull the lever that released her restraints, have it so an alarm went off or otherwise something loud happened to distract the guard so he didn't hear the restraints unlocking, then Rey could have snuck up on him and taken him out.
Hell could have made it so her force abilities failed at a critical moment due to her inexperience and lack of understanding against a trained force warrior
A really good example of a powerful female character is Ripley from Alien; she was both strong, independent, a leader; she was capable of being a powerful individual without giving a girl empowerment speech for 10 minutes of the film. She outlasted everyone because of her actual strength and tenacity that played out on screen, all in believable scenarios (for a sci-fi) that didn't rely on exaggerating her strengths or in weakening her foe to emphasize her being a girl-boss. Imo, Ripley is one of the best representations of actual female empowerment because it doesn't insinuate for one moment, that Ripley is weaker or stronger than the men. On screen, she's a member of the crew that happens to defeat the enemy out of perseverance, wit and pure determination. Showing women struggling in the beginning of a film is the best way to express their strength by also watching them overcome later in the film, this emphasizes that women are just as capable as men and are human; the message sent and received without being forced. Rey on the other hand, her character was rushed into girl-boss status without any of the same struggles endured by former characters of the genre. Her rushed stardom nullifies the hardships of people like Luke, Anakin or any of the Jedi who required training by a master and endured hardships through the process of learning (Anakin had to learn why its best to have the high ground for example). If they just spent at least one movie focusing on Rey being a novice, who finds Luke and learns to become a real Jedi by undergoing some training, and Luke actually cared about getting his saber back and wanted to train Rey, I truly believe most fans would have embraced the Disney remakes and Rey as a character. Luke should have been a powerful mentor who imparts his wisdom; instead, he was made out to be a joke in favor of strengthening Rey's perceived girl-boss power on screen.
She does use one of those exo suits in one of the movies, maybe the first one, but I think that just adds more to it. She doesn't get some magical way of killing the queen without the necessary weapons. Like any other man or woman she needed her strength augmented with an exo suit to go 1 on 1 with something as large as a queen, or even any of the normal xenos
I still think a lot about Luke taking months and months of ardous training to lift one small pod ship out of a swamp. Meanwhile when Rey needed to prevent a FULL SIZE STARSHIP from warping away she just pulled a face and went "BLERR".
The silence that Kathleen Kennedy got when she went on stage was hilarious. It’s about as quiet as the packed theater was after the Last Jedi. Great job Disney for turning a billion into a million dollar franchise!
I have no idea how that woman keeps failing upwards and what blackmail she has on who. Did she stumble on a vault of Epstein Island videos or something? lol
Star Wars is massively successful. Wtf are you talking about? Right now is probably the best era since the original trilogy in terms of games, tv shows, etc.
@@hihihi1q23 hahaha, no. More like the most over saturated and over pushed, it's been a downhill cliff of diminishing returns financially since the Last Jedi turd and the subsequent poorly reviewed and performing follow ups. It's no longer a cultural juggernaut that it once was. Nobody can quite the new movies, other than in an ironic meta way. There have been failed projects, something that Star Wars never output before. It's a shell of it's former self, creatively and commercially, and is beyond redemption for many fans.
Driver's Kylo Ren actually had the same situation of being a weaker replacement of an original character. The difference is that Kylo owns that conflict and uses it; it's why his character alone shines put through the rest of the trilogy. Kylo is crushed by the need to live up to an impossible standard of his predecessor and swings from trying desperately to copy Vader to blazing his own path.
The simple answer is that people just want superheroes and secondarily relatable ones. We don’t care if it’s a guy, a girl, a black person, or a gay person, we just want interesting characters. The issue with these characters is that their entire character is hyper fixated upon their sexuality or race. Again, we do not care for that and we just want relatable characters. Hopefully these big corporations actually listen to their fanbase though, sorry for the rant
The worst part is when people call you a racist/homophobe when you point all of this out. I’m a latino who lived in 4 different countries and 2 different continents in the last 6 years. I made all kinds of friends, met dozens of people, and shared apartments with people from different ethnicities and sexual orientations. These people are now considered my friends (some are really close friends, others are people you are friends with for a while and then just sort of keep in touch). But of dozens of friends and acquaintances I’ve made in all of these places, I met one person who is trans, two people who are gay, and one who is bisexual. It is just completely unrealistic for EVERYONE to be gay and no one to be white! And it would be a lot more tolerable if the characters where any good. Even as a latino I’m tired of all the crappy latino characters that just keep popping up to be instantly forgotten…
@@federicoarmando8359 I should have been more clear. My main point is, as of right now, the vast majority of TV and Film is still dominated by a white and straight cast of characters with people of color or LGBT characters making up a much smaller fraction of that and often having less important roles in the story of the film. Black Panther is the only modern Blockbuster I can think of that was an exception. It had a predominantly black cast, and I hardly noticed or cared because I thought the plot and characters were actually well-written. That's why I don't think the problem is with the amount of representation, but the poor quality of it. Either the characters are deliberately thrown in as an act of tokenism to be taken out of international releases (i.e. Pixar's Lightyear) or the characters end up poorly written which is detrimental for everyone.
Ok ignorant question here but dose latino refer to people of latin American origin (South America) and dose that include people of Mexico? If my phrasing/question is disrespectful I’m sorry I’m simply curious
The most wild thing in my generation was going from the 90's and 2000's timeline of "everyone should be treated equally based on their individual behavior" to 2010's "everyone should be treated based on their needs like their income, background, and upbringing" to 2020's "Everyone should be treated only based on bullshit irrelevant self-identifying factors like race and gender".
Nothing really changed, there has always been a treatment based on gender and race, the only thing different from these years is that those who were discriminated against in previous years now discriminate against those who did.
Arcane: League of Legends is another good example of having a diverse cast while not making their progressive features their focal points. You had masculine women, gay men the whole nine yards and yet almost every character was well thought out and personable. Their individual strengths and hardships and general character development made the show one of my favorite animated shows ever.
Oh boy I have gotten so much hate for defending the diversity in Arcane and other inclusive caracteres that I think are well made (like the Wildstorm versións of Pollo and Midnighter and Doctor Aphra) from suposed "woke" People that say that Im a biggot for liking them and not other like Rey. Is amazing, that People dont want real representation, Just want a bunch of "diverse" caracteres standing there and ruinning histories for no particular reason
Superhero stories ruined society. They created generations of lazy sheep who expect someone else to embody those traits and babysit them rather than learning to be self-sufficient. I've yet to see anyone who cries about superhero stories no longer teaching good morals actually live up to the morals the love to crow on about.
@@hihihi1q23 that’s 99% of all the “old” super hero movies. The new ones don’t even seem concerned with saving anyone, only one recently that I can think of that felt like a proper hero was Ant Man. They kind of Neutered him as well tho by surrounding him with women who are more capable than him
In the new ones, the hero punches someone who doesnt seem to matter and then go home to their 2-spirit trsuma-ridden mate who actually doesnt matter because the readers want more theatric heroics, and less "oh look at this colorful not entirely masculine or feminine person making out with our hero! Don't 99% of you love THIS as a distraction? And not a lengthy twisty battle where hero pulls out all the stops and learns something?" New heroes kinda just succeed immediately when they want to, which means you're to be invested in the color-sex experience of their lives for the rest of the issue. Which is.... Ehh..
They also changed using the Force from a mystical ability developed through devotion to a lifetime of discipline and effort to a mutant superpower that one just has. It essentially undermines a fundamental feature of the Star Wars Universe/Mythos
Yeah. Even Luke didn't have an awareness of his Force potential as a teenager in Episode 4, while Anakin as a child in Episode 1 was shown to have amazing reflexes and reaction time thanks to his small understanding of the Force, even without training. But it was training that further awoke their abilities.
To be fair, there are a lot of characters who actually was born to wield the Force. I mean why do you think the Jedi and Sith were able to take in children? Because it's also a mutation.
we as fans should decide that NOTHING disney has put out is cannon in the star wars universe. like.. publicly, at star wars conventions.. openly and proudly say, their stories are trash and regardless of w/e right... we the fans decide what is cannon.
@@zaberfang True, but usually it's more of a "they have a natural affinity for it" sense, instead of a "this kid's able to crush and levitate rocks whenever they feel like it" sense. I mean sure, extra strong affinities + super strong emotions can sometimes lead to dramatic accidents, but the whole point is that it takes dedication and training to actually harness it in a controlled manner. Hell, it's not even possible to use certain techniques like force lightning on accident, as it takes not just tons of hate, but having it be concentrated and focused in an incredibly specific way.
You can do the good way the Stephen king way, where his main characters are writers, that's a good self insert. Or junji ito who makes a lot of his mains look kinda like him but having their characteristics
The boys expertly takes the piss out of big media and corporate bullshit. You see something in the boys and you go that’s ridiculous, then you remember it’s like that in the real world.
I saw this fantastic short clip where this psychologist did a study Legos and why it was that boys loved and played with Legos yet the company couldn't get girls into their Legos at all. It apparently all came down to the difference between how boys a girls immerse themselves into their beloved characters. For boys, when they immerse themselves into a character like Batman, they imagine themselves as Batman. But for girls, when they immerse themselves into a character like Barbie, they imagine that Barbie is them. I think this goes a really long way into explaining why it is that we're seeing so many self-inserts by female intersectional feminist writers.
@@zeehero7280 young children stuff is still telling of adult stuff. You don’t completely change who you are as a person just by growing up. Somebody outgoing and charismatic as a child will most likely grow up to still be that person. The only thing that can change these facts is trauma.
@@kubatbolat07 Exactly. Some people are so boring and lacking in any kind of character or personality that they make their sexual orientation, gender identity, race, etc into their entire identity.
I just want people to stop assuming that those of us who don’t like these woke characters are racist or misogynistic. I dont hate anyone, I just don’t like bad characters. I seriously want awesome storytelling back. Plain old cool characters; no politics. I don’t care if you’re black, white, Asian, Hispanic; male or female. I grew up in the 2000s and 2010s and I miss those days when Star Wars, DC and Marvel were just really cool and everyone agreed
It's the only defense they've got, they're too delusional and narcissistic to admit the characters they've created or bastardized are poorly written, so calling people istaphobes is the only thing they can use to defend their trash fires
Check out the fan works. I just watched Star Wars Heir of the Empire a couple days ago. Not the best in VAs or animation that screams PS2 but gods it’s better than everything Disney did with SW.
I always find it really strange when they call everyone racist, sexist, etc. when they don't like a minority character, but from what I've seen, everyone wanted for Finn to be the main character for the sequel trilogy, and he is more liked than Rey for the most part. Really makes you think they ignore the evidence refuting their bait articals on purpose.
why did FINN get death threats when he was revealed as a storm Trooper in the Force Awakens First Trailer. Why did REVA get death threats..do white actors ever get death threats for playing a role in star wars ?
@Katie G. so there are no racists or sexists who hide behind saying " woke " anywhere on earth let you tell it. And i dont call people racists or sexists .. until they are secretly recorded and exposed like Hulk Hogan.
I wanted Finn to be the main character and was shipping him with Poe by the end of their initial scene together. They had such amazing chemistry they spent the whole next movie trying to prove they weren't gay, when it would've been more "woke" to just go with it.
@@PopePlatinumBeats You literally have an easier time naming public figures who dont get death threats than public figures who dont. George Lucas got death threats, guess people do hate white people after all. You are so lost in the sauce you're hopeless.
Disney had the potential to make Finn the best Jedi protagonist. A stormtrooper that realized what he was actually doing, starts to turn to another path when he starts to truly awaken his force powers. As his powers awaken, he feels remorse for everything he did while holding what is essentially the greatest power in the universe and that causes a storm of doubt that screws with his powers or starts to shift him to a grey Jedi. Once he meets Luke, trains in the force, and finds shit out from the Order, he slowly goes from demonizing himself and hating himself to realizing who he has to become and accepting everything that happens or something like that (I'm not a writer). Finn had so much potential to be a top-tier Star Wars protagonist. Same with Kylo Ren, but mostly because Kylo looked dope.
See, that's the thing with so many of these productions, they almost always start out with amazing concepts or starting points that could be built upon to make fantastic stories, until executives, investors, activist advisors, etc etc start changing things up to check boxes or fulfill some egomaniac's power fantasy, which inevitably screws the entire project over.
Would have been cool but he’s black and that would never have sold in the Chinese market Disney so desperately wanted to pander too. That’s why Finn is like 70% smaller on the Chinese version of the movie poster
I like when woke people complain about "racism" in hollywood while forgetting for example Morgan Freeman who literally played God and nobody had a problem with that
While I do agree that Morgan Freeman is the best candidate for god, second only to Gilbert Gottfried, the double standard with these people is unmatched
The difference between a good self insert and a bad self insert is this: a good self insert was made by someone who wants to do something cool, say creating a Time Machine and traveling through time, while a bad self insert is made by someone who wants to be someone cool, the protagonist of a popular story for example. The good self insert works because we want to read stories about people doing cool things.
I think a good example of this is Stan Lee with all his movies, he inserted himself intothe movies, not as a main lead or related storywise for any main plot point, but he inserted himself as a side character that did a small something, almost as a comedic relief.
Nah you got it wrong tbh cause Spider-Man would fit your bad insert definition a Good insert is someone who actually has character and not some Mary Sue or Gary Stu with a one note personality and or goals
Writers with good self inserts aren't afraid to let them deal with hardships in the story as long as they learn and grow from them without compromising their integrity.
Woke "characters" aren't characters, they are just convenient for immature writers. Just compare Mulan from the 90s animated version against the Disney's live action. The animated one recognized her flaw was not being as physically strong as the men that surrounded her, she was about to give up due to not being able to compete, but what did she do? She used her most human trait to overcome the odds: her intelligence and ability to adapt in creative ways to the problems ahead. She had to be smart and find new ways to achieve what others could through sheer force, and that allowed her to perceive things in a different manner. Now we have the new Mulan, she has superpowers, she easily overpowers everyone else, her only struggle is that she wasn't as confident, but no one is even a challenge to her superpowers, she could easily solo the final boss, what did she learn? Not much, just that she was already capable and struggling is for those who aren't naturally gifted. The animated one represented what it is like to be human, the second one represented what an edgy teenager thinks a good character is: non-emotional, cold, OP, and unfazed by the situation.
I do not hate characters of different skin colours, or different sexualities, or different genders, or nationalities, or any other bullshit, what I hate is when that's their entire personality! Just like the "strong independent woman" thing, I absolutely don't mind a woman that doesn't rely on men and knows she can figure out her shit herself, what I hate is when a woman is too busy screaming about how independent and strong she is to actually prove her statements.
yep and its not like some strong female characters arent liked. if they want a strong female character that dont need no man without having to be an obnoxious asshole about it.. why not simply make a Metroid movie? (sicne ya know the industry is averse to new unproven franchises these days and rely on nostalgia to still try and extract money from their garbage)
Most "strong women" are terribly written. So many writers fail to write a basic women with morals, backstory and depth something so simple is so hard for them
As a gay man myself i hate all the new representation we get because all it does is make it look like we ruined the characters, being gay isnt something that should define you its just another thing about you
@@hihihi1q23 No. Disney is in the incredible position that its movie division has been losing money despite owning several of the most successful and most popular IPs in the world.
I can add another: She's not original, but the 2019 version of Carmen Sandiego. Yes, the show is a reboot, but thankfully it knows the various source material that came before it and respects it and the fans, and doesn't have politics
Even befor Fallen order star wars had Great female Characters Mara Jade Skywalker an Assassin turned loving Wife and Mother Or Jaina Solo Skywalker twin Sister of Jacen Solo Skywalker Darth Cadeus who had to come to terms with Killing her Beloved Brother or Basstila Shan or Darth Traya or The Exiled Matriss Suri from Kotor 1 ans 2
Exactly. Like everyone knows she is a flawed character. She nuked the entire land to prevent a defeat (it was tie instead - one went senile, she was on her deathbed literally), and the game doesn't try to make her as any victim. She is straight up a boss, the hardest one almost.
As a fanfic writer myself, I feel absolutely ashamed. I do my best to write my stories keeping the original characters personality, expanding some aspects where it's possible according to their profile, and these pseudo-comic authors ruin everything for their reputation taints real fanfic writers. I'm kinda forced to keep quiet about it because everyone thinks that fanfic is either a bad story, or a crazy rumor invented by somebody. Honestly, the only situation where I like woke characters is when their journey is to have their oh-so-right convictions smashed to pieces, in order to make them humble.
There is a clear difference between "good fan-fic" and "bad fan-fic", as shown by good fan-fic authors actually caring about staying consistent with the source material and making characters with believable traits AND understandable flaws. The reason why fan-fics get such a bad reputation has more to do with the Dunning-Kruger Effect being applicable to bad fan-fic writers, making them think that they're literary geniuses.
It's almost as if the people creating these characters want the generations who will read them to see not values, hard work, selflessness as heroism but instead just accept that "they are good" because we're told they are. And the goodness they bring to the table is "diversity." (just for the sake of the internet, I'm required by law to point out "I'm being sarcastic.") Watched the MCU recently. They DELIBERATELY made good characters in good movies following a strong morality. After "ten years of that shit, they can finally start making movies for the next generation." And we've seen what Star Wars and Marvel is now. Be safe and well Jennifer, I love your name. Modern Anglicization of my original favourite female protagonist, Guenevere. Beautiful name. Best wishes in your stories
Another good point is this: the difference between peter parker being a "self insert" of one of the original writers vs other woke characters being self inserts of their writers is that when peter parker was created HE WAS A NEW CHARACTER. all these other self inserts don't work because they are taking existing characters or stories and warping them to match what the writer is like.
I can think of a few easily digestable reasons why Woke characters fail: 1) 9 times out of 10 they are riding on the cottails of an established character/franchise, showing a lack of creativity and originality. Often this is done at the expense of an existing character who needs to humbled and pushed aside. 2) The moralising is VERY surface level and lacks subtlety. The writer smacks you over the head with the Woke message and uses their OC to push that message. 3) The Woke MC is never challenged or made to question their beliefs. They are treated as morally in-the-right and never change their perspective. They never grow because they are already "right" and perfect, the world has to come around to see things their way. There is no Heroes Journey. 4) The Woke MC is very shallow and self-centred, but their negative traits are not treated as flaws they need to overcome. More often than not they are vindicated in the end and are never forced to see past their biases.
They cannot be projected onto the heroes journey, which destroys the character. Likewise with real life woke people. The most cowardly in society... they have no backbone, only a claim to being offended and "oppressed". We're done with it it is so, so pathetic.
but wtf about it is "woke"??? Like as far as I heard it "woke" is just the new catch phrase used by americans, like "socialist", "liberal", "communist", etc. Is daenerys from GoT woke? Ripley? Were suffragettes woke?
3 really just describes a villains view, they have a strong idea on what is right, something like killing or taking out people they don't like or agree with, and stay on that stance until a hero tries to stop them but fails since they are so far gone and delusional
Honestly, I kinda want to take a woke character like this and flip it on its head, where everyone hates this person because of this wokeness. Essentially, this wokeness leads to their downfall, because everyone is sick and tired of it. All this characters friends leave because of this obsession with identity and politics combined into one. Whoever this character is has to learn that being woke can drive people away from you due to the fact that they are forcing these things down people’s throats when they don’t want it. This character is essentially the definition of “you are your own worst enemy”
@@cyrix6165 What does "wokeness" even mean then??? I thought it just meant to be aware of the systemic issues perpetuated by the state? I mean if you dont like someone merely because they point out the wrongs of the society we inhabit then... well then thats kind of part of the problem, no?
The entire sequel trilogy was a missed opportunity to not have Han Luke and Leia and Lando in a scene together is probably the most unforgivable sin. Having Han go back 30 years in character development and Luke becoming a hopeless hermit… just listing these problems makes me want to assemble an army and an act order 66 on Disney and Lucasfilm
This answer is easy they are boring. There whole thing is I’m gay or I’m a strong independent woman. And it just ruins the movie or piece of a franchise they touch
Miles morales is a good example of having a diverse character that doesn’t disrespect the former characters Peter passes the light onto miles and miles respects Peter’s legacy and they also explore miles’ cultural differences without making it his whole character and reason he exists. He’s simply a well written character that’s why he’s such a successful character
What is a "diverse character"? Is that code for nonwhite? If so, why don't we all just say what we actually mean without veiled speech? That said, I agree with your main point, that Miles Morales is a much better character, and I enjoyed Spiderman despite all the obvious minority aspect inserts (e.g. parents talking Spanish) because they felt more natural, as aspects that filled in the world details rather than being endemic to the plot or full of a preachy message.
@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 There hundreds of Spidermen across mutliple universes. Would you name every single Spiderman a different one? e.g. Tarantulaman. Brown recluse man, Daddy long legs man...
@@fdwr He lives in the same universe as Peter, and Peter's not dead, so yeah, they should change his name. Do the same thing with the two Hawkeyes, the one with penis and the upstart with vagina, while they're at it.
4:14 If you are including Starkiller you should also include Ahsoka Tano, she is an even better example because she was hated in the first episodes. but later was accepted when her character was improved.
Your right about Ahsoka. She was made a nasty person at first on prepose. It was to show her having blind spots that she couldn't see in her character. As the show progressed, she became more self aware and matured to see her bad ways and change. It's a lesson in a few things. One: Bad character traits such as pride should be called out. Two: Everyone has room to grow and change. Three: Becoming humble will make you enduring. That is why she is so loved. She is a good example of what youth can be. We can all easily start our youth thinking we know it all, that our elders are outdated, we can educate them. But the truth is we know so little and need the wisdom of others and the guidance of a steady hand to become much more that we are. Ahsoka exemplifies this growing into someone better.
And she was a good friend Luke, did i ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano? She was your father's exotic teenage alien apprentice, a fine piece of jailbait from a more civilized age. She had the tigherst body and the perkiest little breasts in the galaxy; barely legal in most systems. Anakin and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every successful campaign during the Clone Wars and once in a while we'd have the whole 501st run a train over her, part of official Jedi "training" of course. In time, she learned how to handle a meatsaber better than anyone in the Jedi Temple. She wore a miniskirt every day so we told her there were no panties in space, and since she was constantly doing acrobatics you'd get a glimpse of her orange pussy mid flights as she'd do a flip while slicing a B2 Super Battledroid in half. It was surreal. We taught her to grip her weapon backwards like a dildo and she constantly got captured by pirates and slavers almost every other day. It was ridiculous, like a constant porno Luke, you have no idea. And she was a good friend.
It's also worth mentioning that there's a huge difference self inserting yourself into something pre-established, compared to self inserting yourself in something that is being established. One is a fanfic while the other is the way it was designed to be.
The only time I think self-inserts are ok is if it means to be a base that is to be built up from their through growth. Like with the original Peter Parker design. As opposed to self-inserts that display no growth or some sort of character build and improv, "This is me, this is how i am, but I can still be special without ever working for it or improving to get it." Even self-insert characteristics and flaws, if for story reasons and inspirational reasons to demonstrate the character overcoming those flaws and/or not letting them dictate them, that I can find ok. But keeping the flaws in a character, or saying they are not flaws (even though they are clearly flaw) and just making them as what the character is and improving is not an option, you're fine flawed, (even though there is no real benefit), "And I should be loved regardless." My belief is that self-inserts as a base but demonstrating improvement and good storytelling is a fine option. While self-inserts as a means of drawing (no pun intended) attention on the actual person and there is no growth and improvement of character, they are just "fine" as they are, is just plain bad.
The problem with all of these characters is twofold. On the first hit, they are as deep as the average porn character, and sometimes are even more shallow than that. On the second, their creators throw absolute tantrums any time you point this out, adding an element of contempt as well as idiocy.
@@mintaddict1 That self insert thing from a few years ago? On the upside, someone made a short response comic wherein Slade explains to the author that now, no matter what she does, her character is now subject to the Rules of the Internet. It was glorious. I'm still trying to find it though.
what made luke, and by extension anakin, so damn special is because their respect journeys to where they were. they started off on a desert planet with little in the way propects for a future. in comes a wise older mentor who was able to show them a wider world. they go out into the wider world but still lacked experience. they grow up to become better people (luke becomes a commander and anakin a jedi) but still make mistakes. they both take on sith masters and end up not only losing but being maimed in the process, leaving behind a premiant reminder of what their hotheadedness got them. in the third movie, they are both important figures in their respect organization: luke in the rebel alliance and anakin with the order/republic. but their choices send them on opposite paths: anakin falls to the dark side and luke rises to the light. their stories are full of pain and struggle. rey has no such journey. she could already fly the falcon better than han. she gains the use of the jedi mind trick, a technique that not even luke had down in his outtings. she outduels kylo ren, a man trained by both snook and luke, despite having never touched a lightsaber before this. she receives very little training from luke but is still able to do shit that not even anakin and luke could do in their second movies. and she learns a force power that not even yoda, the greatest grandmaster of the jedi order, couldn't do. rey didn't earn anything. she was given it.
It's because she's a Palpatine. The most powerful of all force users ever. Why? Because ultimately he won, but before that "he returned somehow". Yup, Disney the big bad evil company made the big bad evil guy the ultimate winner of the franchise.
When it comes to a female character they're either great, characters like Black widow are great because they're not perfect. Then you have bad characters who are self inserts and given everything, Rey is that type of character.
I appreciate the fact that there are people choosing to criticizing Kaitlyn Kennedy for creating Rey and producing the dreaded movies and NOT Daisy Ridley for simply play as Rey and the rest of the casts for play dumb poor written characters Felt so bad when i heard she's been getting ALOT of hate and backlash for something she had no blame or Control over and it's not her fault for playing such a woke mary sue character. if anything it's Kaitlyn who deserved all of the backlash and the lack of claps and woo during the celebrations really speaks for itself.
No she's also a cunt. She had some serious opinions about the fans just as the rose actress did, and when quickly told to fuck off they sob and stammer and cry about how they're targeted.
Given what the actors and actresses have to work with, they did a pretty damn good job. But ultimately, it's not their fault that the characters and stories are incoherent mess of horse shit.
I 100% agree, as someone who’s bi It’s so frustrating to see poorly written virtual signalling characters that are straight up bad. Gives me a sour taste in my mouth, I don’t care about characters having the same sexuality or race as me, I just want well made characters
What I really hate is when writers think the only way to write a strong woman is to right a woman without flaw. It never works because the audience can no longer connect or relate to that character.
what's worst is that that very concept is a writing 101, what interest is there in a character that's basically a god, there's nothing to feel excited about them, good writing comes by precisely defining the character and make them feel believable
I remember one of the UA-camr said that Peter Parker is like the rest of us, but the creators punches him down on life even more making him not just relatable but rooting for the underdog. He is still my top favourite characters. Well written well planned characters are always amazing to watch. If the main characters have everything then it's so damn boring man.
well the different with anime is, there are all kind of different series, so even if you hate one, you can just read the other but comic just stuck with the same characters for all those years, then they decided to screw those characters up to be more "modern" Even anime would hate it if some character like Naruto or Goku sudden change to be gay now even though they show to love woman since forever.
@@shikniwho7215 The thing that’s different about anime is that what the character is doesn’t matter; it’s all about WHO the character is. They don’t shoehorn diversity into the show to tick a box - it’s all secondary to actual plot, backstory, and real character building. Their identity is built on story, not demographic standing. They also don’t take these aspects super-seriously and still know how to have fun and be creative and original.
"actions speak louder than words" is such a timeless statement. Focusing on the character's role in the story rather than what they identify as creates a better foundation for development. A character's identity is just that, an identity. It doesn't tell us why this character is important to the story....that is the sole reason why most new characters feel more like fan fics than actual lore.
I have to admit that I feel the same way. I don't want to hate Rey. I really don't. I don't even blame her for the d--- move the writers did. Like you said, it should have been Luke.
I don’t even blame Daisy Ridley given the trash script she had to work with. If Disney wanted to make money instead of a political point, they had the entire EU to work with - Thrawn is a license to print.
They chose to go the "easy route" and replace an existing established character, they think at least. However, what I see is a completely missed opportunity for interesting new characters, and they don't even need to remove Luke. Not just Rey, but some others as well. If you look at legacy stories, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus is a much more interesting character than his supposed "replacement", Kylo Ren. Finn can also make for a great character if they have chosen a better writer.
It's not the needless pandering that really annoys me, but it's the self-righteousness that people have when doing it. Like people changing a characters skin colour to say they "fixed" them, changing a character's sexuality when it didn't matter in the first place, or just cramming self insert "I always win" type shower arguments into their stories. It's not the diversity of it all that's getting grating, but it's the people behind it acting like competent writers, acting like they know best, and how they have more creative potential than the men and women with actual creative talent, who wrote the stories that they're altering to fit their ideology. Creative media has just changed from being creative to a medium to tell thinly-veiled fanfiction by people who don't have the effort or creative potential to write stories of their own.
How I see it is if the writer wants a character to be black, the character to be black. making a white character black does not "represent" black people, as if they needed any. same thing with "gender", you don't need a character to represent you because if you want a character that is a gender or colour, you can't just have them be the same, and if so then why does it matter if they're not "fixed" or whatever
I got into an argument about that on a Facebook group when someone posted art of InuYasha characters reimagined as Africans. The most insulting was "it just looks right". Africans in Japanese clothing and backgrounds, but it isn't cultural appropriation. Honestly, the art was great. But all the exorbitant celebrations was just proving that diversity means black characters.
these new pieces of attempted entertainment seem to lack a person who is passionate about storytelling and have probably studied it, many people are passionate about this and they can whip up a serviceable story for a comic or whatever. It also seems like there is no quality control, can't they just get a few competent people to give their feedback so they can fix their mess.
The reason Spider-Man works is because his writers despise him. Maybe not literally, but they do everything they can to make him suffer. New girlfriend? Welp, she’s dead. Wife? Sold your marriage to the devil. Best friend? Betrayal. New girlfriend 2? Gets fucking cucked. And let’s not even mention the amount of times Peter gets the shit beaten out of him. Yet despite every time he gets knocked down, every time his back is to the wall and he has nothing left, he still has the will to fight. He gets back up. And the Sony Spider-Man movies really understand this
I might be getting this wrong, and feel free to correct me, but the way this comment worded makes me think you didn't watch the video because there is a whole chapter on her that says exactly that.
@@sorthweast3030 Oh, yeah,you nailed it. I don't fully recall when I watched this vid, but no way did I get that far into it before making this comment. Sorry.
She was a strong woman,but in a wrong way. The ministry of Diversity,Equity,Inclusion (tm) needs a bully,not a paragon. Same shit with other cults,totalitarian governments,& fanatic movements. Just look at JustStopOil.
The original Force Awakens script had Finn And Rey as dual protagonists with Finn leaning towards the light and Rey was being pulled to the dark. The "awakening" that occurs in the movie where Rey grabs the light sabre originally happened to Finn whereas Rey actually ran from it out of fear.
This is my sentiments exactly, I'm tired of seeing pandering to "fans" who don't even watch or read or are interested in the media. Just cause they have loud voices on Twitter doesn't mean they're the majority. I'm mixed, and although I love to see different races portrayed in any type of media. I get upset when they just insert a person of a race with no background, or color swap a main character we like just to be inclusive. Create a story, create a character with a background and depth. Then decide on what gender, race, etc. they'll be. Is it that hard?
Exactly. We can have successful gay, diverse, or even trans characters cause it has been proven that they can work. However, you can’t have that be their entire character and personality while offering nothing else. I would gladly listen to a story that has a trans character as the protagonist assuming the character is fleshed out and well written without the fact that they’re trans constantly being shoved in my face.
I'm half Nigerian and half Japanese. I have never seen a character like me in any entertainment media I'm into. That has never bothered me. I just enjoy well written characters and good story telling.
Sad thing is that those characters exist. Kal-zod is black Superman. Or you can do Steel. People have been begging for Static Shock. No one had an issue with Brandi or Whoopi Goldberg in Cinderella because it was an adaptation of the stage play. And no one would bat an eye at a black mermaid, but they decided to change Ariel from Disney's The Little Mermaid. Heck, there actually is one in the animated show.
A perfect example of writing good female and male characters is my second favorite video game resident evil 5. Both Chris(a white male) and Sheva(a black female) are both well written. They both are capable people who don't sideline the other character, hey both help each other out, and the both have traumatic past, and they are both love characters among the resident evil community.
Chris VS Boulder was the most beautifully choreographed fight scene in all of gaming history. Jokes aside, I agree. Some people didn't like RE5, but I did. Its great.
I know its not totally related, but I appreciate Josh's voice actor pretty much telling the people calling the game "racist" that it takes place in Africa. There is gonna be black people and to just enjoy the game
I hate when companies cannot figure out how to write certain characters so they base the entire personality over what they are supposed to be or make them a huge trope mess with nothing to redeem it then blame others for not "understanding" or liking it
Remember when writers were criticized for putting gay characters in TV shows because one of their defining characteristics was "gay"? Funny how the mob that took over those writing positions are doing the exact same thing, yet thumping their chests about it.
Having lgbt characters or a diverse skin colors characters are completely fine, what is not fine is their story and personality are a hot pile of garbage.
@@EndymionTv Your videos suck. You churn out 30 videos a month about MUH WOKENESS regurgitating the same flimsy points that every other fat, emotionally stunted conservative has. You're a grifter who has discovered that the only way to make money is to pander to terminally online weirdos.
You’re more forgiving than I am, because I absolutely think Daisy Ridley is on board with the woke shit and has injected her own beliefs in Rey, but since her and Kathleen’s ideology is damn near identical you can’t tell the difference
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that her performance had nothing to do with the reason her character sucks. That's what people mean. There are characters who shck because the actor does a bad job, and then there are characters who suck because of bad writing and or direction. Daisy Ridley's Rey falls into the latter category.
Daisy should honestly not talk at all cause first, her name is f*cking Daisy lmao - 2nd, her big teeth for cracking shellfish are honestly disgusting and downright creepy
@@Tyler_W ...I can agree with this. It's the same with John Boyega. The character he portrayed had amazing potential...could have been the next Han Solo...but Disney...out of sheer fucking hubris...relegated him to a bumbling side character.
In a very interesting humanities class I took during my associates, a classmate in my group introduced themselves as "Hi my name is X and I'm trans." So I replied "Hey my name is X and I'm not trans." They immidietely went to go talk to my professor and we never got put in a group again. I said nothing malicious, if you can use being trans as your definitive factor of identity, I can do the opposite. You've opened the door for things like that reply.
Ah, you need more subtlety. You should have said: "My name is X and my middle school French teacher's favourite sport was tennis". In an introduction situation it's just as meaningful as someone's sexuality.
I wish there were more videos like this. Not necessarily videos about “wokism,” but videos that point out diverse characters that are good…because they’re good characters. Imagine going to a production studio in Korea and chastising them for failing to meet checklists. “How come the ethnicity of all your characters are Korean?” I look at these groups that literally GRADE studios based on a checklist system, and I think ‘Well then you f**king make it! Make the 3000 point checklist production of your dreams, and leave the rest of us alone.”
Production studios in Korea probably have MASSIVE checklists. It's just that racial/sexual diversity isn't on them, or at least not that high up on the list. (Probably still helps sales to have a gay/foreigner here and there).
Because woke is essentially a western / white supremacy movement that pretends like the rest of the world doesn't matter. Even in this video, he called a muslim "diverse," when there are over a billion of them in the world. That is how much these absurd ideas have taken over.
Some times I wonder if these woke characters are made out of fear. Like the creators or publishers feel like they HAVE TO push these characters out of fear from the Twitter morons.
I feel it’s somewhat of a grey area. Sometimes people are just trying to include POC or LGBTQ persons into their work with genuine intent on representation and it falls flat and other times you get Mindy Kollin (Prob not how u pronounce her last name but idrc) who is very clearly on a power trip and trying to be as PC as they can so they can get brownie points for being inclusive while also having an out if anyone has any genuine criticism towards their work.
No it’s all about business,unfortunately 2 years ago go woke go broke or even until now aren’t a things you may see a woke movies got lot of bad review and critics from anywhere but critics is not a matters for profit,as long as lot people watched it either of they like the movies or just want to roast the movies are still profit with that,so woke are nothing but just a produtct they don’t reallh care about equality or race lives matter no nothing at all…they just cared about money because making woke is increased profit.I read somewhere when a company admit by themselves if since they propagated political their profit is drastically increased.
You're mistaken. They ARE the Twitter morons. Most of these "creators" bossed their way into these positions based on diversity rather than actual skill.
@@edgar7456 There are attempts. Unfortunately, the problem people now sit in positions of power at the studios, and they control the product. Very hard to get them gone. Going after them on social media is one thing...but actually rooting them out of their positions at the studios...damn near impossible. Better to just let the product die, and make new indie stuff, and protect stuff like anime/manga/niche games.
the problem was never about its wokeness or "message" its the fact they were simply made by terrible writers and are using said wokeness as a mean to deflect criticism to their shitty writings
To me, it's more that the characters we love have arcs, stories, struggles. These new age characters have everyone love them, people do non sensible things to help the character, and the new characters have extreme powers
What really annoys me is that they just never learn and blame everyone else BUT themselves for creating a character that no one relates to. I’m bi and I don’t just want to see a character that is just bisexual… Like come on.. I wanna see a character that have flaws, strengths and weaknesses, growth, trial and tribulations that just happened to be bisexual because that’s just what I relate to
Good example of that is the show SEE, with Jason Momoa - its a very good show, but his daughter in it is lesbian, or should I say turns out that way, as the show start season one with them as children growing up, learning, reading applying the knowledge, growing, in her case making bow and arrows, becoming damn good at it, then ending in war, getting captured, meeting another person on the enemy side who can see, then sleeps with her and small side story of their love starts. But the main thing is, she was a built established character, shown with flaws, who fell for another women - and it wasn't over top thrown in your face that, that was all she was. The idea of here is this character she is lesbian(or Bi) first then everything else, it is here is this character, who is this, who has these issues, who tries this, who then struggles with understanding herself until she falls in love with another woman and is lesbian, Over the course of season 1 and 2, it isn't thrown in your face on day one, it is built to that ending over the course of time, which makes it a lot more understandable and acceptable. I do seriously recommend the show, very enjoyable, a lot of thought has gone in to that show and it shows.
Yeah, I think its sad because it shows that a lot of these writers think the most important thing about themselves is who they are attracted to. Honestly, who cares that you are bi or gay? (Not you specifically, like the characters) Lets show a person who is bi or gay but has character flaws, personal growth, development of other values that have nothing to do with sex. I just honestly don't think that sex and who someone is attracted to is the most interesting part of a persons personality. That is only a very small portion of what makes a person who they are. Just like you as a person have so much more about your personal story than just being bi.
A good way to write a good character is to review them *without* having to state their race, sexuality, weight, and gender. If you can't describe them without those traits, you failed, rewrite them. Edit: Jeebus, 115 likes and 5 replies?! I know its sometimes annoying to see people giving thanks for this kinda stuff, but thanks.
I think a good example is Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who (and Torchwood); it becomes readily apparent that’s he’s bi, due to his shameless flirting with just about anything with a pulse, but it’s never actually announced that he is bi. They just wrote him well enough that you could tell he’s bi without them telling you he’s bi. Either that, or I’m miss remembering him and need to watch Doctor Who again.
Yes exactly. A big problem from these sorts of characters that i ve found is exactly this. Back until the 2015's and so, the way that characters were created was: We have this new character and it's name is X. X is a space engineer and has had a rough childhood. The way X has matured is through all of the problems that it has faced as a child, and now, all that it has learned as a child is being tested now as an adult. X is a good person, is very smart and is a fucking space engineer... oh and he's gay or something. The way they write characters nowadays is: this is X and he's gay. Oh and he s a space engineer, but that doesn't really matter because he is gay.
I’d like to mention to add to the self-insert characters. I believe that Aragorn is the self-insert of Tolkien where it is the characteristics that he strives to have or sees as kingly. Not that Tolkien is sees himself as a king rather putting his ideas of good people in different forms and it’s honestly beautiful. Self-insert isn’t always bad. Even Mary Sues can be great if other characters think she is perfect but probably uses it as a front for her own insecurities. Not necessarily the reader needs to think of them as perfect.
Like was a Mary sue, so was Anakin. While anakin kinda was poorly done in the prequels he was well done pretty much everywhere else. Rey failed to work because she didn’t have character flaws and didn’t need to grow, snaking had an actual story that had good broad strokes, Luke had some skills he probably shouldn’t have, but he still needed to learn to use a lightsaber and the force, and they barely succeeded in the first movie. He lost his first duel, but he was well written. Ray had no goal that lined up with the story, somehow knew everything she needed to, stumbled on nostalgia bait, detracted from the well and decently written character in the movie, never truly lost a battle, brought us to a pile of regrets and character flaws that Mark Hamil thought didn’t feel like Luke, stole some books, got Luke killed, and then a poor rendition of the palpatine clone saga with Ray finding out she’s his defendant, rejecting her history, hey force heal is canon again. Why? Because we say so. I’m a skywalker, not even my own character.
I think that's just plain inserting. If the author wants to express their morality through the story, the author would give the heroes virtues and the villains morals the author disagrees with.
The trap is to fall in your fantasizes. You can male a self-insert or a Marye-Sue. It can work. But only if you have self-control and a good knowledge about storybuilding. But most creators who make a self-insert are arrogant and selfcentred and are only preoccupied by if they are the victims or not. So like 99% of the time, we end up with a bad character.
I think the difference is creators before had a bit of humility when they self-inserted. Nowadays, self-inserts are always overly glorified representations of the writers - AKA Self Insert Mary Sues - whether it's Bella Swan for Stephenie Meyer or Katniss Everdeen for Suzanne Collins or Hermione Granger for JK Rowling.
This is why Rogue One was such a great movie. All new characters that actually developed as the story progressed. They gave a respectful nod to the old movies, gave Vader an awesome moment (that was totally in character for him), and then showed us all that a bunch of normal idiots can make an impact on the world. This movie stands strong in my book.
I can answer that question. Because it is lead by FAKE diversity and is mostly focused on self inserts and being politically correct. That is just LAZY writing!
I'd like to thank Kathleen, Ryan, JJ and Disney for curing me of a 30 year addiction, inherited to by my family, almost passed on to my children. Their efforts to expose that evil can only corrupt, which I should not consume, has truly helped me move on.
Nah, I'll still enjoy PT, OT, Rogue, Andor, Clone Wars. They are still good entertainment and even have good virtue lessons in them. But also make Disney and Lucasfilm bleed money for their trash products. Like, I'll never ever buy anything related to Sequels. And if everyone else did the same, their stockholders will clearly see this.
Congratulations to Jar Jar Binks for no longer being the most hated character in the Star Wars universe.
Oh God, I hadn't realised that. I'm... not sure how I feel about that.
@@alexross911 meesa just fine with that
@Kristopher Prime I think he dialed up his performance too high. Toning it down by a few degrees and I bet he would have been very well liked
Hes such wasted potential, Darth Jar Jar would have been epic.
I miss those days 😢
...Perfectly said.
"The reason why nobody likes Woke Characters is because they're not written as people first, but as a checklist for idiots who only see people for their skin color or sexual identity."
Perfectly said.
Ohh Is that what Woke means? And Yes Perfectly Said
This is true.
And I'm not going against anyone of their race or gender.
A good story needs good writing, characters, and the layout of the world.
Not just some marry-sue who think they are hotshit and powerful.
That would be in Anime.
Ironic how those who seem to fight for equality and hence who a person is not what they are, are the most superficial of all
The majority of people, mostly straight people with white skin want to see more people of different skin colors and sexual orientations in their media. This is because they listen to minority groups who tell them they want to be represented more in the media, usually because their friends are in those groups. Media corporations then incorporate this into their media to comply with consumer demand.
I can tell this is a right-winger channel but us leftists also think that corporate pandering is cringe - however it’s the only way under this capitalist system that politically powerless minorities can receive the representation straight white people have had for generations. Corporations have control over whether or not they do it *right* I.e not resorting to stereotypes in order to push the idea that you are “super inclusive!” But doing it in itself is not bad and essentially complaining about having people who look different from yourself in the media is not a good look unless all your friends and colleagues look like you too.
Having progressive politics in corporate media? Cringe asf. Always doing it wrong. Always surface level BS to appease socially progressive libs to make them feel better about themselves. They always talk about how bad capitalism is, and how bad racism is, but don’t do anything to actually fight it - because it’s not in their best interest to do so, they only have to sell you that they are.
@@JerichoYeet yeah anime has become a lot more mainstream, our writers are starting to become like them which is kinda sad to see since they can’t match the animation so we are stuck with mid stories and mid art to go along with it.
"Let's fight racism by creating characters that we reduce to their sex and skin-color."
It's crazy, really.
I think sexual orientation is more of a focus than skin collar. If a character is black and nonbinary. It's the nonbinary part that's supposed to wow you. Atleast that's how i see it. I could be wrong about the skin color thing.
I wouldn't mind if it was across the board. But imagine the carnage if black panther was anything but *really* black no mixed fake nonsense. Or they made storm white 😂
@@kalen2465 imagine the new black panther would be white xD
Can I point out how back when the Kenobi show was released. Disney made a post saying don’t be racist.
But where have all the alien creatures gone in Star Wars? Why only human characters?
Am i the only one who truly doesnt think color is that special? I honestly dont care about the romanticism and glamorization of race...i am interested in ideas, thoughts, integrity and philosophy...skin color seems so shallow and vain. When a whole characters only special card is their race it is so boring and it feels that it exists only to make you feel inferior ...its really weird.
This is precisely what they did to Wheel of Time.
The women in the books were absolutely badass, but when these people say "strong women characters" they don't actually mean strong women. They mean a sort of childish, uncreative "girlz rule, boys drool" brand of feminism that appeals to absolutely nobody but a few haters.
The Wheel of Time is a bad example, a very bad one, the books itself is disgusting, painfully drawn out, with an insane number of unnecessary characters and plot lines, the author is simply a cosmic graphomaniac, so graphomaniac that he couldn’t even finish the books and died. The author had a very specific fetish for strong women, even in some kind of BDSM format, and fully realized it in the book; I’m actually surprised that they decided to film this piece of graphomania. I read all the books, just to never even return to this horror, I still feel bad about it.This work goes far beyond the discussion in the video.
Projecting your fetishes and strange thoughts that lie far beyond the scope of good writing (the desire to create many characters, write a specific, most likely more number of books, give each and every one of these many characters dozens of storylines, describe everything in the smallest detail, although it is obvious that if you are not an artist, and you do not need to draw anything according to the description, all the descriptions will disappear from your head in about 10 minutes, becoming more compact, but the time for reading is wasted.) is something beyond the bounds good and evil, the worst version of the self-insert.
@@untantic
If it was a bad example you wouldn't need a string of absolute bullshit.
@@kenabbott8585 A bad example, because the Wheel of Time is originally a broken work from a graphomaniac, no one spoiled it.
@@untantic
You said that before, and it was silly back then too.
@@kenabbott8585 No, it was true
I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them
My experiences with bullying were quite different from what you described.
For most of my life my motto has been enjoy it while it's good then nope out when things get controversial.
PS: this only applies to entertainment not real life situations.
I was a normie, but I became a nerd over time and stayed like that and enjoyed being a nerd. But the smart thing to do was to stay under the radar of other normies.
I refer to it as the gentrification of geek/nerd culture. We usually gravitate toward these things because we were shunned and pushed out of the mainstream. Now that we've made these things popular they want to push us out and take it for themselves. And get mad at us because we don't like it
"I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them"
Agreed, except that it isn't the normies who are doing that shit, but a bunch of mentally ill narcissists who think that nothing that doesn't pander to their ideology should have the right to exist.
@@SergioBocanegra I was looked down on and mocked growing up liking nerdy things. Then being older seeing those same people wearing the shirts, watching the same stuff, etc that they mocked me for makes it that much worse
I remember reading a Spider-Man comic from the 1970s. In that comic a black man waves Spider-Man down as he's swinging around just to thank Spidey for being such a good role model to the kids in the "hood". Spider-Man told him he wasn't black, but the man said it didn't matter. Since Spider-Man's costume covered his entire body, every kid, no matter their color, could see themselves as Spider-Man. Black, Latino, Asian, white, it didn't matter. It was Spider-Man's actions, deeds, and heroism that inspired them all.
How far we've fallen.
Lol if that exact same story was written today white people would call it "woke"🙄
I hadn't really thought of that. But it's true, as long as the secret identity is secret, it could be anyone under that mask. What a lovely, wonderful way of recognizing that.
If I'm correct, stan Lee himself said that that was an unintentional but wonderful aspect of Spiderman. Sadly it doesn't work as much anymore because now we apparently need more drama instead of villain VS hero. How far we've fallen indeed.
Miles morales aka Peter darker is the most racist stereotype ever.
Oh we have dark skin...
Must have ties to crime or delinquency backstory.
@@SpectatingBystander what? Are you talking about he’s uncle.
we've descended to a point where fanfiction writers are creating better characters than the people who create the source material.
Yeah fnafic writers gained experienced and by the power of being a fanfic so they don't have to follow the orders and line of thought of thw corporations + being able to skirt around canon, they startwd making better shit than the actual writers.
Honestly sometimes I think that fanfic writers should be hired to make content of the media they love so much
Agreed
Then again.....the source material is also being written by fan fiction writers.....
Because todays writers were yesterdays fanfiction writers. Thats what a lot of these modern characters feel like, fanfiction characters created so the writer can interact directly with their favorite franchises.
I originally got into fanfiction to improve my writing skills, read some fun What If... scenarios and escape some bad mainstream media. But now, it's mostly to get from mainstream media!
Wanna hear something horrible!
So you know the whole “star fire child” thing was originally a fan fiction. It was supported by the fans and had small little comic strips that everyone loved.
Then the creator of the “I am not star fire” (forgot the name of the author), threatened to sue the fan fiction artist and had almost every fan fiction depicting the child of star fire copy right striked and taken down. She literally for several months went on a campaign of trying to remove all fan fiction so no one could talk bad about her comic even though it sucked
Is the fanfiction still online somewhere?
@@chee.rah.monurB probably in pieces somewhere. It’s the Internet. Nothing’s never really gone from the Internet
@@chee.rah.monurBif not easily found on the internet then maybe the way back machine could find it
is that even legal becouse it seems like it came before the comic
That just sounds like such an asshole move 💀
I still remember when the new trilogy of Star Wars showed Finn handling a Lightsaber and people were pretty in for that idea.
Then they said that Finn was gonna be a Stormtrooper and people went absolutely nuts because we all thought that we are gonna get an incredible story of a Stormtrooper building his path into the Jedi warrior way.
But then they throw us Rey. which ended up being really disappointing for all of us.
Exactly. There was a good story there with an original story line. But nope. Disney has to promote ALL Female characters to the top. It's still happening even today.
@@richmbailey It probably wouldn't even have been so bad if Rey were a better character.
Yeah, I was so damn disappointed. A friend of mine happens to be black and me and him quit a rather controversial group that preached of equality, justice for colored people, justice for women, and we were essentially stormtroopers then. Brainwashed and believed in a cause we didn't understand but it must have been right. Then we realized the wrong we were doing and left.
Then again, that happened way after in like the 2020. But that would have been so amazing and hit close to home for me even back in the day where I was all confused in my life. Biggest disappointment ever. But it had potential but, a stormtrooper to Jedi would have been awesome.
@@kellmedd4925 Gonna be real with ya. No modern actor will live up to Samuel L Jackson as a Jedi.
@@Dakota_B_ Gonna be real with ya, you spittin too many facts.
My problem with woke characters is as follows:
1. The focus on their identity is not a replacement for a personality. A person's sexual preference or skin color is not and should not be a huge part of their personality. It is also naturally divisive as obsession over identity has been a huge problem for this species to overcome, especially in recent years.
2. They are often self inserts set to replace established characters. Self inserts, like you showed, can be good characters, but bringing one into an established franchise usually means that they attempt to steal the reigns and attention of that franchise.
The first point is also why people who make being gay their personality are so hated. Like please be more than the pride flag hung on your wall and get a hobby
@@monstertmg7004 yeah we should watch stupid takes, make video games a personality and use anime avatars. How in self aware can a person be.
@@RobynMarshall-wr7zr Congratulations! You just assumed multiple things about me based on a UA-cam pfp I haven’t changed in 8 years. Here’s a medal 🏅
Also to note on your other comment on this video about Wolverine and Xmen: The entire point of the video is that a character’s sexuality or skin color should only be a side detail and not their personality. Wolverine is a character with lots of trauma, flaws, character development, struggles and more. Look at the Logan movie for instance. This goes for other xmen as well, if you take out their sexuality or skin color there’s still a character there unlike the examples in the video. The entire point of the video is that there should be more characters that represent minorities but they should be actually good characters, and new characters instead of just retconing past characters half hazzardly.
@@monstertmg7004 Yep!
To come so close to realizing the multic*lturalism and multir*cialism have done nothing but destroy society and then just default right back to "but muh escapism!", how sad.
No mention of Ashoka?
She was a character people didn't like when she was introduced as Anakim's Padawan... But she is now a fan favorite for many, because her story is good, she evolved... She actually became her own character and not just the slap on.
She has a fantastic tragedy that is fascinating to explore. In a way, her relationship to darth vader is more interesting even than Obi Wans'
She was introduced as annoying and whiney. And they IMMEDIATELY changed that idea and had her mature in like 2 episodes.
I still don’t like her character.
@@Dimimash why?
@@1hpredkingtower432 Well, my reasons will probably be disagreed with heavily; since you ask I just find her to be very underwhelming to the SW universe- sure, she’s got a huge pivotal role concerning Anakin and his change overtime, but to me I always felt that was really her only role in the universe was to serve as a catalyst for Anakin’s change into Darth Vader. I don’t BELIEVE she’s the prime reason he changed but she had some hand in it.
With that said, I always felt that there were much better and more important characters that could carry the legacy of what she was given during Clone Wars and so on. I just think she’s been so popularized because of the cartoon show that it made no room for the creators to expand on the roster of Jedi’s and Padiwans. I don’t have anything against her character itself, but more of her significance to the universe; she technically has been around since the rise of the empire back then, but she’s not the only one, and she’s most definitely not one of the strongest characters to endure it.
It’s more of a dichotomy issue I have with her than it is her character itself. She’s definitely super cool, has really unique traits in combat and is quite an awesome Jedi all-around but she gets all of this praise and gloat that it’s as if no one wants to give another character some time to shine in the universe. Her obtaining her own show as well as appearing in other shows and film, just reeks of forced fan-fiction than what more there could be added to the universe.
I mean think about heroes that are in novels and comics, but never get a chance to appear in media because they just were never popular or characterized enough? She shows up in Clone Wars and all of the sudden, she’s cannon and now has a huge following.
As someone said, "we don't hate women, we hate bad writing"
"We hate bad writers" is more accurate to be honest with you.
@@SwedishBroManDudeyou shouldn't hate people, you should hate what people do
@@SnekOil I prefer being toxic, the message has had their volley fire and HURRAH! Now, it is just natural for us to return the commitment.
Hate can be useful. We should have the courage to have the same hatred toward the people pushing this stuff as much as they do us, if not moreso. Just don't be consumed by it.
@@pricture but don't you see? If you wish to hate people, you are already consumed by it...
I'm sure an AI can write a more compelling character than any of these soulless corporations.
Maybe you're an AI?
Okay, künstliche Intelligenz, was sind Ihre Vorschläge, um die Star Wars-Überlieferungen neu zu schreiben?
A UA-camr has proven that this is true altori has shown this in one of her videos.
soulless vs soulless
The soulless corporations are the ones who want the AI. Are you actually stupid?
A few years ago bad fanfic writers were called out because of "poor rainbow colored self insert OCs" - today those bad fanfic writers somehow sit in the studios...
And praised as empowering and brave for "breaking normalcy".
Those writers half the time ended up being better writers than some of the people in the studios.
Failing upwards
@@PancakeTheKat I doubt both of us mean the SAME fanfic writers... I really talk about those insecure, confused, whiney teenagers who have no clue of design and don't care about the source material, just want to have a self-insert character in a franchise they like to feel better.
I am not talking about the good fanfic writers. Yes, they are out there and they can be really good. But they don't use self-inserts like this...
@@saenekokun2723 Yes... Even when there is nothing to "empower". But when everybody is crazy, normal becomes the new crazy. Maybe we can witness this someday...
Remember when we used to mock Tumblr and Fanfiction that made superficial/self insert characters the whole focus? Now we're expected to love them because it would be the polite thing to do.
Teeny-bopper tumblr fanfic writers growing up and getting careers in media is EXACTLY how we got to where we are now.
@@synchacker25 Feels more like those fanfic writers are writing better quality characters and stories than the multi-billion companies.
For me, I had almost no expectations for The Last Jedi, and Disney had, in my own opinion, still failed to reach them.
'My Immortal' Hermione reboot when?
@Donder172 id have to disagree about those fanfic characters. You have a point about corpo characters. Cant create anything interesting
@@synchacker25shit, when i was little i thought - "its need to be extremely smart to work there so i cant..." and i just see now all this dumbass shitheads shitting all over i loved fuck it
Man, I loved the drama of Deadpool and Death love.That they love each other, but can never truly be together, because Pool cannot die for good, and only visits her, when he is critically injured. It was special
Deadpool canonically is Pansexual, he always had a thing for Colossus and Cable, the argument in this video is laking in that point at least.
@@elpedromoin I'm Handsexual.
@@elpedromointhank now I hate deadpool
@@elpedromoinguarantee you the original creators Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza did not decide on that. And most of the time he’s with a girl not a dude
@@Lifesucks360deadpool just seems like a guy who could fuck whoever lmao
Not gonna lie, I wanted Fin to be the main character. He just felt more believable. Even in the original trailers for the new set. It felt like he was supposed to be the one to become a jedi. Maybe I'm just remembering the commercials incorrectly.
Yeah. He even held a lightsaber
Bro there is no way the star wars fandom would be okay with a black protagonist 🙄
@@underrated7312 Bro, Finn would be far better than Rey Sue
@I quote movie lines I don't know; people were a pretty big fan of Samuel L. Jackson. I think the character just has to have a good story.
@@joel2749 he certainly would have but unfortunately white people hate seeing minorities especially black people in prominent roles and the majority of the star wars fandom is white so Disney knew that making finn the protagonist would be a bad idea doesn't matter how well a black character is written white people will still hate him anyway unless he is written to be some idiotic comedic relief
The very worst thing about Luke trying to kill his nephew is that he failed.
The strongest jedi in the history of ever failed to kill a sleeping child.
Okay sure, Disney.
I’d be willing to accept it if there was,say,a moment of hesitation or something
Nah dude that's definitely not it, it's the fact that he would have even considered doing that in the 1st place because he thought there was a *chance* that his nephew would turn to the dark side. That completely goes against the type of character that we know Luke to be.
@@jordanfelt5978 They could have easily put in some reasoning that he was being subtly manipulated for years, and all it led to was a literal singular moment of weakness.
Luke isn't even immune to the Dark Side in the comics - post Episode 6, mind you - and it HAS screwed with him.
People keep saying that he's incorruptibly pure, when the comics show that - while he IS largely, overwhelmingly pure - he is NOT immune to darker emotions. He's not perfect, he's human.
idk is Luke really that strong? They say "the force is strong" or something, but not to the point where he's the strongest ever, right?
@@Kashlikaro ooookay...? I didn't say and was not implying that I thought he was perfect or something like that. I was just pointing out the obvious.....that Luke clearly shows true wisdom in the original trilogy where he's the kind of person who would clearly think through a situation before just assassinating his nephew because he had one bad dream. Like, I don't know if you're trying to defend the sequel trilogy or something? But simply based on your response it seems like you somehow completely misinterpreted what I was saying, my dude.
One of my biggest issues with the disney trilogy of star wars films was how they hyped the ex stormtrooper dude up as an equal protagonist if not more so to rey with her being a side kick or coprotagoinist just to shove him to the side lines for most of the next 2 films
Finn was awesome in Force awakens, then they just put him through some lame subplots in the following movies. Last jedi even blue balled everyone with the absolute nothing that was the Captain Phasma showdown, that should have been Finn shedding off the last remnants of trauma and loss of identity being conscripted as a Storm Trooper would do and besting the the penultimate Stormtrooper proving that by becoming more than just a number he has become not only stronger but a better person, that could have been such a strong scene.
A 1 minute fight scene some explosions and phasma looking a little worried and just dies then onto Hoth... I mean red salt planet.
I don’t mean to an ass but the reason is pretty blatant,China is a very racist country so most of Finn’s scenes were set up in a way that they could be very easily edited out without much effort so the film could be aired there luckily this has seeming bit Disney in the ass because most of disneys films are banned in China
I blame what happened to Finn on Disney trying to appeal to China just because they HATE black people.
not to mention that in China the character was made smaller on posters and generally given less attention which basically goes against what they were preaching in the first place because 'chinese-money go cha-ching'
That's you biggest issue with them? No you're a lucky mofo, dude.
The story of Gina Carano, Cara Dune pisses me off so much. They had a successful diverse female in their space show, fans could see her carrying her own show, yet she deviated from "the message" by one sentence, and now she is banished to the void.
what did she say? something about covid?
@@Paronak something about Trump.
I don’t remember the exact words, I’m paraphrasing here, but it was along the lines of : being politically right leaning feels like being a Jew during the Holocaust.
@@Paronak What she actually said/posted basically was she compared some of the behaviour of how conservatives are treated by the extreme left to how the Nazi's treated the Jews before killing them. And in my opinion she wasint entirely wrong.
@@Paronakthat being politically right leaning in current day America is similar to being Jewish during the holocast
Disney: We want strong woman characters.
Also Disney: But they also must obey and bend a knee to us.
I like how you guys called Gina Carano 'woke' and a terrible actress until she turned out to be a MAGA weirdo lmao.
@@hihihi1q23 Got any receipts to back that up or are you just pulling that out of thin air?
@@hihihi1q23 "I'm inclusive and tolerant you bigot" "yeah that chicks a MAGA weirdo lmao"
@@hihihi1q23 she was probably the most beloved mando character on screen before her politics even came out. Tf are you smoking?
@@ectsy he not smoking anything he is just too busy drinking the woke kool-aid he might actually say something cool if he was smoking some of that good shit
The basic difference between Luke and Rey is that Luke was a nobody, he didn't have any special abilities and didn't even know about the force. He had to learn, he had to train to become a Jedi. On the other hand, Rey was already kind of like this person who was able to do everything out of intuition, able to keep up with Ben Solo in a sword fight with no training. She intuitively learned how to heal and revive people using the force - a power that not even Yoda ever used. She became a superpowered character just because. Like Disney believes that a compelling character is someone who already has all these powers and is so perfect. No, compelling charachters really go through a growth process. They are people you can identify with, because they are a nobody like you and they become that special someone. That is why Luke is way better than Rey
To be fair, Luke trained for, what, a month? But on the other hand, a significant chunk of the film was designated to him training.
@@carlosdanger5466 he also wasn’t “a nobody” he was the son of one of the main antagonists.
luke was a grandchild to the frce, would not call that a nobody.
@@carlosdanger5466 Sure, he didn't traun for very long, but he made up for lack of training with in-field experience. Hell, the entire second movie was about him rushing to fight and save everyone even though he wasn't ready because he wanted to save his friends, and wound up losing his hand and almost dying. He had to try and fail, Rey literally beat kylo the first time she picked up a freaking lightsaber. She is the epitiome of a mary sue
@@danielniemeyer1987 Sure, but untrained talent will be beaten by skill and experince. That's exactly what happened to anakin. He was born to the force and yet he lost to obi wan because he got cocky. Anakin wasn't a mary sue because, even though he had termendous power, he was FAR from perfect and lost fights due to his impulsiveness. But rey, on the other hand, picks up a lightsaber for the first time and beats a highly trained and skilled fighter easily. She is the ultimate Mary Sue
The first time Rey used the force in FW, that would not have been a bad scene had she wondered what the hell she just did or questioned how that even happened. Right there you have her exploring her potential and asking questions. That could have been a great way to develop her character as she worked her way out of the First Order prison. But no, she is just "force aware" and automatically knows how to use it.
I'd say it would still be bad just because of what power she used. The mind trick is, from what I've heard and read, a master level force ability that takes ages of training to learn how to use. It would have worked better if she just used the force to pull the lever that released her restraints, have it so an alarm went off or otherwise something loud happened to distract the guard so he didn't hear the restraints unlocking, then Rey could have snuck up on him and taken him out.
After already stating she'd never even heard of it before
Hell could have made it so her force abilities failed at a critical moment due to her inexperience and lack of understanding against a trained force warrior
It’s because Disney treats the force like it’s a marvel superpower.
It’s similar to the she-hulk show she knows more than Bruce banner about controlling her anger because she lives in a world with men
A really good example of a powerful female character is Ripley from Alien; she was both strong, independent, a leader; she was capable of being a powerful individual without giving a girl empowerment speech for 10 minutes of the film. She outlasted everyone because of her actual strength and tenacity that played out on screen, all in believable scenarios (for a sci-fi) that didn't rely on exaggerating her strengths or in weakening her foe to emphasize her being a girl-boss.
Imo, Ripley is one of the best representations of actual female empowerment because it doesn't insinuate for one moment, that Ripley is weaker or stronger than the men. On screen, she's a member of the crew that happens to defeat the enemy out of perseverance, wit and pure determination. Showing women struggling in the beginning of a film is the best way to express their strength by also watching them overcome later in the film, this emphasizes that women are just as capable as men and are human; the message sent and received without being forced.
Rey on the other hand, her character was rushed into girl-boss status without any of the same struggles endured by former characters of the genre. Her rushed stardom nullifies the hardships of people like Luke, Anakin or any of the Jedi who required training by a master and endured hardships through the process of learning (Anakin had to learn why its best to have the high ground for example). If they just spent at least one movie focusing on Rey being a novice, who finds Luke and learns to become a real Jedi by undergoing some training, and Luke actually cared about getting his saber back and wanted to train Rey, I truly believe most fans would have embraced the Disney remakes and Rey as a character. Luke should have been a powerful mentor who imparts his wisdom; instead, he was made out to be a joke in favor of strengthening Rey's perceived girl-boss power on screen.
She does use one of those exo suits in one of the movies, maybe the first one, but I think that just adds more to it. She doesn't get some magical way of killing the queen without the necessary weapons. Like any other man or woman she needed her strength augmented with an exo suit to go 1 on 1 with something as large as a queen, or even any of the normal xenos
@@ghoulishgoober3122basically logical sense
Laura croft another great female hero
I still think a lot about Luke taking months and months of ardous training to lift one small pod ship out of a swamp. Meanwhile when Rey needed to prevent a FULL SIZE STARSHIP from warping away she just pulled a face and went "BLERR".
Its fun and thrilling to watch that movie
The silence following Kathleen Kennedy’s introduction at the celebration thing was so satisfying to see.
The silence that Kathleen Kennedy got when she went on stage was hilarious. It’s about as quiet as the packed theater was after the Last Jedi. Great job Disney for turning a billion into a million dollar franchise!
I have no idea how that woman keeps failing upwards and what blackmail she has on who. Did she stumble on a vault of Epstein Island videos or something? lol
Star Wars is massively successful. Wtf are you talking about? Right now is probably the best era since the original trilogy in terms of games, tv shows, etc.
@@hihihi1q23 lol you're either trolling or delusional.
@@hihihi1q23 hahaha, no. More like the most over saturated and over pushed, it's been a downhill cliff of diminishing returns financially since the Last Jedi turd and the subsequent poorly reviewed and performing follow ups.
It's no longer a cultural juggernaut that it once was. Nobody can quite the new movies, other than in an ironic meta way. There have been failed projects, something that Star Wars never output before.
It's a shell of it's former self, creatively and commercially, and is beyond redemption for many fans.
One day it wont make any money at all.
Driver's Kylo Ren actually had the same situation of being a weaker replacement of an original character. The difference is that Kylo owns that conflict and uses it; it's why his character alone shines put through the rest of the trilogy. Kylo is crushed by the need to live up to an impossible standard of his predecessor and swings from trying desperately to copy Vader to blazing his own path.
just thinking about how much potential kylo had makes me sad that he was so boring in the movies
then they completely sold out on his redemption and made it cheesy af
Furthermore, Drivers Kylo seems to be closer to the legend interpretation of Sith, giving in to emotion and acting out.
Kylo had potential for being an interesting villain, and Finn has potential for being an interesting hero.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 and Rey had potential to never exist in the first place.
The simple answer is that people just want superheroes and secondarily relatable ones. We don’t care if it’s a guy, a girl, a black person, or a gay person, we just want interesting characters. The issue with these characters is that their entire character is hyper fixated upon their sexuality or race. Again, we do not care for that and we just want relatable characters. Hopefully these big corporations actually listen to their fanbase though, sorry for the rant
The worst part is when people call you a racist/homophobe when you point all of this out. I’m a latino who lived in 4 different countries and 2 different continents in the last 6 years. I made all kinds of friends, met dozens of people, and shared apartments with people from different ethnicities and sexual orientations. These people are now considered my friends (some are really close friends, others are people you are friends with for a while and then just sort of keep in touch).
But of dozens of friends and acquaintances I’ve made in all of these places, I met one person who is trans, two people who are gay, and one who is bisexual. It is just completely unrealistic for EVERYONE to be gay and no one to be white! And it would be a lot more tolerable if the characters where any good. Even as a latino I’m tired of all the crappy latino characters that just keep popping up to be instantly forgotten…
There isn't a single film or television show where literally every character is gay and non-white.
@@LunarOverdrive I'm exaggerating to make a point. I think in some shows/movies, the ratio is just plain unrealistic for the sake of representation.
@@federicoarmando8359 I should have been more clear. My main point is, as of right now, the vast majority of TV and Film is still dominated by a white and straight cast of characters with people of color or LGBT characters making up a much smaller fraction of that and often having less important roles in the story of the film. Black Panther is the only modern Blockbuster I can think of that was an exception. It had a predominantly black cast, and I hardly noticed or cared because I thought the plot and characters were actually well-written. That's why I don't think the problem is with the amount of representation, but the poor quality of it. Either the characters are deliberately thrown in as an act of tokenism to be taken out of international releases (i.e. Pixar's Lightyear) or the characters end up poorly written which is detrimental for everyone.
@@LunarOverdrive I agree!
Ok ignorant question here but dose latino refer to people of latin American origin (South America) and dose that include people of Mexico?
If my phrasing/question is disrespectful I’m sorry I’m simply curious
Pretty much what western geek culture has become.
Agreed
i never got into DnD but man i can tell its not the same
But Eastern Geek Culture is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I blame Big Bang Theory
Now i understand why people prefer the japanese comics.
The most wild thing in my generation was going from the 90's and 2000's timeline of "everyone should be treated equally based on their individual behavior" to 2010's "everyone should be treated based on their needs like their income, background, and upbringing" to 2020's "Everyone should be treated only based on bullshit irrelevant self-identifying factors like race and gender".
Agreed, makes you wonder how far the gen z rabbit hole will fall
@carsandsports123 you guys both sound like old men waving your cane at the future. I remember the 90's and the 2000's and that was NEVER the case.
Well you should be happy about that because white people are very well versed in judging by race so I'm sure nothing much has changed for you guys lol
Nothing really changed, there has always been a treatment based on gender and race, the only thing different from these years is that those who were discriminated against in previous years now discriminate against those who did.
@@just5971 so if its vengeance then, why should anyone want to help them? seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Arcane: League of Legends is another good example of having a diverse cast while not making their progressive features their focal points. You had masculine women, gay men the whole nine yards and yet almost every character was well thought out and personable. Their individual strengths and hardships and general character development made the show one of my favorite animated shows ever.
true real actual
Oh boy I have gotten so much hate for defending the diversity in Arcane and other inclusive caracteres that I think are well made (like the Wildstorm versións of Pollo and Midnighter and Doctor Aphra) from suposed "woke" People that say that Im a biggot for liking them and not other like Rey. Is amazing, that People dont want real representation, Just want a bunch of "diverse" caracteres standing there and ruinning histories for no particular reason
i miss the times where superhero shows where good guy defeating the bad guy, and the main characters were inspiring and motivational
Superhero stories ruined society. They created generations of lazy sheep who expect someone else to embody those traits and babysit them rather than learning to be self-sufficient. I've yet to see anyone who cries about superhero stories no longer teaching good morals actually live up to the morals the love to crow on about.
I was thinking about buying the full dvd box set for Batman the animated series and rewatching all of it
That's literally 99% of superhero movies, dude, you guys just get triggered.
@@hihihi1q23 that’s 99% of all the “old” super hero movies. The new ones don’t even seem concerned with saving anyone, only one recently that I can think of that felt like a proper hero was Ant Man. They kind of Neutered him as well tho by surrounding him with women who are more capable than him
In the new ones, the hero punches someone who doesnt seem to matter and then go home to their 2-spirit trsuma-ridden mate who actually doesnt matter because the readers want more theatric heroics, and less "oh look at this colorful not entirely masculine or feminine person making out with our hero! Don't 99% of you love THIS as a distraction? And not a lengthy twisty battle where hero pulls out all the stops and learns something?" New heroes kinda just succeed immediately when they want to, which means you're to be invested in the color-sex experience of their lives for the rest of the issue. Which is.... Ehh..
They also changed using the Force from a mystical ability developed through devotion to a lifetime of discipline and effort to a mutant superpower that one just has.
It essentially undermines a fundamental feature of the Star Wars Universe/Mythos
Yeah. Even Luke didn't have an awareness of his Force potential as a teenager in Episode 4, while Anakin as a child in Episode 1 was shown to have amazing reflexes and reaction time thanks to his small understanding of the Force, even without training. But it was training that further awoke their abilities.
And ironically, those same people who do that crap also scream their eternal hatred of Lucas's Midichlorians.
To be fair, there are a lot of characters who actually was born to wield the Force. I mean why do you think the Jedi and Sith were able to take in children? Because it's also a mutation.
we as fans should decide that NOTHING disney has put out is cannon in the star wars universe.
like.. publicly, at star wars conventions.. openly and proudly say, their stories are trash and regardless of w/e right... we the fans decide what is cannon.
@@zaberfang True, but usually it's more of a "they have a natural affinity for it" sense, instead of a "this kid's able to crush and levitate rocks whenever they feel like it" sense. I mean sure, extra strong affinities + super strong emotions can sometimes lead to dramatic accidents, but the whole point is that it takes dedication and training to actually harness it in a controlled manner. Hell, it's not even possible to use certain techniques like force lightning on accident, as it takes not just tons of hate, but having it be concentrated and focused in an incredibly specific way.
PS: As a writer, I objectively try not to self insert because I don't like doing it. I like to keep my life and fantasy separate.
I am so glad that I am not the only one who does this
That's the entire point, like we don't need self inserts because the entire point of fantasy is that it isn't our lives
yup 👏👏👏
Indeed.
You can do the good way the Stephen king way, where his main characters are writers, that's a good self insert. Or junji ito who makes a lot of his mains look kinda like him but having their characteristics
Its okay to be straight and white.
No! It’s not okay! GRRRR😡😡😡😡😡😡
I love woke characters. I haven’t seen one character asleep that’s done anything.
Bro's speaking facts so true us humans can't even perceive them
Unless if you’re zenitsu. 🤣
@@donalddeluxe6407he's a terrible character
@@NoTax9149_banned_on_reddit that’s fine if you don’t like him.
Bro you had me in the first half 💀
It's funny The Boys actually has an episode where they are talking about how ridiculous it is to capitalize on the fact that Maeve is bi
The Boys have been nothing but top tier TV
The Boys isn't scared to poke fun at topics like these, they actually go ull in, and are able to make the risks they take succeed.
The boys expertly takes the piss out of big media and corporate bullshit. You see something in the boys and you go that’s ridiculous, then you remember it’s like that in the real world.
They also make fun of you people
The Boys wants to have its cake and eat it too. It's pretty woke it just hides it better. Still an alright show, though.
I saw this fantastic short clip where this psychologist did a study Legos and why it was that boys loved and played with Legos yet the company couldn't get girls into their Legos at all.
It apparently all came down to the difference between how boys a girls immerse themselves into their beloved characters.
For boys, when they immerse themselves into a character like Batman, they imagine themselves as Batman.
But for girls, when they immerse themselves into a character like Barbie, they imagine that Barbie is them.
I think this goes a really long way into explaining why it is that we're seeing so many self-inserts by female intersectional feminist writers.
Sounds like a young children thing, given the number of women who are amazing roleplayers.
@@zeehero7280 What, like 5?
@@zeehero7280 young children stuff is still telling of adult stuff. You don’t completely change who you are as a person just by growing up. Somebody outgoing and charismatic as a child will most likely grow up to still be that person. The only thing that can change these facts is trauma.
whats the difference? /gen
@@yeetskeet1581 when playing lego, boys become batman. When playing barbie, barbie become the girls.
i do not understand why some lgbt people base their whole sexuality around being lgbt
bcuz they have no character so they have to fill the gap
Because society by virtue of discrimination reinforces their identity.
@@kubatbolat07 Exactly. Some people are so boring and lacking in any kind of character or personality that they make their sexual orientation, gender identity, race, etc into their entire identity.
I just want people to stop assuming that those of us who don’t like these woke characters are racist or misogynistic. I dont hate anyone, I just don’t like bad characters. I seriously want awesome storytelling back. Plain old cool characters; no politics. I don’t care if you’re black, white, Asian, Hispanic; male or female. I grew up in the 2000s and 2010s and I miss those days when Star Wars, DC and Marvel were just really cool and everyone agreed
It's the only defense they've got, they're too delusional and narcissistic to admit the characters they've created or bastardized are poorly written, so calling people istaphobes is the only thing they can use to defend their trash fires
Honestly just embrace the name calling and say "yes I am" it passes them off even more
They know that. They are completely dumb. It’s just the only thing that discredits you
We just do not like Mary Sues and Gary Sues because thats what these woke characters are. No one likes them!
Check out the fan works. I just watched Star Wars Heir of the Empire a couple days ago. Not the best in VAs or animation that screams PS2 but gods it’s better than everything Disney did with SW.
I always find it really strange when they call everyone racist, sexist, etc. when they don't like a minority character, but from what I've seen, everyone wanted for Finn to be the main character for the sequel trilogy, and he is more liked than Rey for the most part. Really makes you think they ignore the evidence refuting their bait articals on purpose.
why did FINN get death threats when he was revealed as a storm Trooper in the Force Awakens First Trailer. Why did REVA get death threats..do white actors ever get death threats for playing a role in star wars ?
They do it to end the discussion. They don't have anything useful or intelligent to say, so they attempt to shut you up instead.
@Katie G. so there are no racists or sexists who hide behind saying " woke " anywhere on earth let you tell it. And i dont call people racists or sexists .. until they are secretly recorded and exposed like Hulk Hogan.
I wanted Finn to be the main character and was shipping him with Poe by the end of their initial scene together. They had such amazing chemistry they spent the whole next movie trying to prove they weren't gay, when it would've been more "woke" to just go with it.
@@PopePlatinumBeats You literally have an easier time naming public figures who dont get death threats than public figures who dont. George Lucas got death threats, guess people do hate white people after all. You are so lost in the sauce you're hopeless.
Disney had the potential to make Finn the best Jedi protagonist. A stormtrooper that realized what he was actually doing, starts to turn to another path when he starts to truly awaken his force powers. As his powers awaken, he feels remorse for everything he did while holding what is essentially the greatest power in the universe and that causes a storm of doubt that screws with his powers or starts to shift him to a grey Jedi. Once he meets Luke, trains in the force, and finds shit out from the Order, he slowly goes from demonizing himself and hating himself to realizing who he has to become and accepting everything that happens or something like that (I'm not a writer). Finn had so much potential to be a top-tier Star Wars protagonist. Same with Kylo Ren, but mostly because Kylo looked dope.
See, that's the thing with so many of these productions, they almost always start out with amazing concepts or starting points that could be built upon to make fantastic stories, until executives, investors, activist advisors, etc etc start changing things up to check boxes or fulfill some egomaniac's power fantasy, which inevitably screws the entire project over.
Black males aren't allowed to be strong.
bro managed to make a story that was 10x better than the sequels in a youtube comment
You're right about Kylo lookin' dope tho, I ain't never seen a lightsaber with that cross guard until he showed up
Would have been cool but he’s black and that would never have sold in the Chinese market Disney so desperately wanted to pander too. That’s why Finn is like 70% smaller on the Chinese version of the movie poster
I like when woke people complain about "racism" in hollywood while forgetting for example Morgan Freeman who literally played God and nobody had a problem with that
While I do agree that Morgan Freeman is the best candidate for god, second only to Gilbert Gottfried, the double standard with these people is unmatched
The difference between a good self insert and a bad self insert is this: a good self insert was made by someone who wants to do something cool, say creating a Time Machine and traveling through time, while a bad self insert is made by someone who wants to be someone cool, the protagonist of a popular story for example. The good self insert works because we want to read stories about people doing cool things.
It helps if the Good Self Insert has a decent sense of honesty and humor about themselves.
@@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost Rohan Kishibe fits the bill
I think a good example of this is Stan Lee with all his movies, he inserted himself intothe movies, not as a main lead or related storywise for any main plot point, but he inserted himself as a side character that did a small something, almost as a comedic relief.
Nah you got it wrong tbh cause Spider-Man would fit your bad insert definition a Good insert is someone who actually has character and not some Mary Sue or Gary Stu with a one note personality and or goals
Writers with good self inserts aren't afraid to let them deal with hardships in the story as long as they learn and grow from them without compromising their integrity.
Woke "characters" aren't characters, they are just convenient for immature writers.
Just compare Mulan from the 90s animated version against the Disney's live action.
The animated one recognized her flaw was not being as physically strong as the men that surrounded her, she was about to give up due to not being able to compete, but what did she do? She used her most human trait to overcome the odds: her intelligence and ability to adapt in creative ways to the problems ahead. She had to be smart and find new ways to achieve what others could through sheer force, and that allowed her to perceive things in a different manner.
Now we have the new Mulan, she has superpowers, she easily overpowers everyone else, her only struggle is that she wasn't as confident, but no one is even a challenge to her superpowers, she could easily solo the final boss, what did she learn? Not much, just that she was already capable and struggling is for those who aren't naturally gifted.
The animated one represented what it is like to be human, the second one represented what an edgy teenager thinks a good character is: non-emotional, cold, OP, and unfazed by the situation.
Hey is Rey, but chinese and in the middle ages! :D
Actually hurts how close are to eachother's personality.
@@fabiocosta3830 don't worry, there is more of Rey for the next 6 years as a new trilogy is coming with Rey as the lead character.
@@manamaster6 🤢🤢 that is true... Wish Lucas Arts would break free from Disney's grasp, somehow.
Mulan is racist shit. It’s like a love story between anne frank and an ss officer
Very well said!
I do not hate characters of different skin colours, or different sexualities, or different genders, or nationalities, or any other bullshit, what I hate is when that's their entire personality! Just like the "strong independent woman" thing, I absolutely don't mind a woman that doesn't rely on men and knows she can figure out her shit herself, what I hate is when a woman is too busy screaming about how independent and strong she is to actually prove her statements.
That's why I laugh when people do pride parades and get harassed. Flaunting what you do with your genitals when nobody gives a shit.
as a woman, this speaks facts. the saying "actions speak louder than words" plays so true
yep and its not like some strong female characters arent liked. if they want a strong female character that dont need no man without having to be an obnoxious asshole about it.. why not simply make a Metroid movie? (sicne ya know the industry is averse to new unproven franchises these days and rely on nostalgia to still try and extract money from their garbage)
Thank you it's so true you should see what trans people have to deal with they portray us a trans being out only quality
Most "strong women" are terribly written. So many writers fail to write a basic women with morals, backstory and depth something so simple is so hard for them
As a gay man myself i hate all the new representation we get because all it does is make it look like we ruined the characters, being gay isnt something that should define you its just another thing about you
couldn't have said it better
I thought admiral purple-hair was KK's self insert/monument. A character put in a leadership position and doing a horrible job at it.
And guess what, she's a lesbian who banged Leila off screen. Now you have another reason to hate Miss Purple Hair.
Hasn't Star Wars been massively successful, though?
@@hihihi1q23 No. Disney is in the incredible position that its movie division has been losing money despite owning several of the most successful and most popular IPs in the world.
Another badass women character who’s a good original character in recent memory is Malenia, Blade of Miquella
I can add another: She's not original, but the 2019 version of Carmen Sandiego. Yes, the show is a reboot, but thankfully it knows the various source material that came before it and respects it and the fans, and doesn't have politics
I mean even star wars did good female characters in the fallen order
@@cheesybeans9476 As well as Rebels but that's old by now
Even befor Fallen order star wars had Great female Characters Mara Jade Skywalker an Assassin turned loving Wife and Mother Or Jaina Solo Skywalker twin Sister of Jacen Solo Skywalker Darth Cadeus who had to come to terms with Killing her Beloved Brother or Basstila Shan or Darth Traya or The Exiled Matriss Suri from Kotor 1 ans 2
Exactly. Like everyone knows she is a flawed character. She nuked the entire land to prevent a defeat (it was tie instead - one went senile, she was on her deathbed literally), and the game doesn't try to make her as any victim. She is straight up a boss, the hardest one almost.
As a fanfic writer myself, I feel absolutely ashamed. I do my best to write my stories keeping the original characters personality, expanding some aspects where it's possible according to their profile, and these pseudo-comic authors ruin everything for their reputation taints real fanfic writers. I'm kinda forced to keep quiet about it because everyone thinks that fanfic is either a bad story, or a crazy rumor invented by somebody. Honestly, the only situation where I like woke characters is when their journey is to have their oh-so-right convictions smashed to pieces, in order to make them humble.
There is a clear difference between "good fan-fic" and "bad fan-fic", as shown by good fan-fic authors actually caring about staying consistent with the source material and making characters with believable traits AND understandable flaws.
The reason why fan-fics get such a bad reputation has more to do with the Dunning-Kruger Effect being applicable to bad fan-fic writers, making them think that they're literary geniuses.
So you are just the same as Disney, forcing your political views into your stories. The only difference is world view.
It's almost as if the people creating these characters want the generations who will read them to see not values, hard work, selflessness as heroism but instead just accept that "they are good" because we're told they are. And the goodness they bring to the table is "diversity."
(just for the sake of the internet, I'm required by law to point out "I'm being sarcastic.")
Watched the MCU recently. They DELIBERATELY made good characters in good movies following a strong morality. After "ten years of that shit, they can finally start making movies for the next generation." And we've seen what Star Wars and Marvel is now.
Be safe and well Jennifer, I love your name. Modern Anglicization of my original favourite female protagonist, Guenevere. Beautiful name. Best wishes in your stories
Too bad that the Hollywood people prefer to fund Bad fanfiction instead of good ones
Good fanfic? No such thing
Another good point is this: the difference between peter parker being a "self insert" of one of the original writers vs other woke characters being self inserts of their writers is that when peter parker was created HE WAS A NEW CHARACTER. all these other self inserts don't work because they are taking existing characters or stories and warping them to match what the writer is like.
I can think of a few easily digestable reasons why Woke characters fail:
1) 9 times out of 10 they are riding on the cottails of an established character/franchise, showing a lack of creativity and originality. Often this is done at the expense of an existing character who needs to humbled and pushed aside.
2) The moralising is VERY surface level and lacks subtlety. The writer smacks you over the head with the Woke message and uses their OC to push that message.
3) The Woke MC is never challenged or made to question their beliefs. They are treated as morally in-the-right and never change their perspective. They never grow because they are already "right" and perfect, the world has to come around to see things their way. There is no Heroes Journey.
4) The Woke MC is very shallow and self-centred, but their negative traits are not treated as flaws they need to overcome. More often than not they are vindicated in the end and are never forced to see past their biases.
They cannot be projected onto the heroes journey, which destroys the character. Likewise with real life woke people. The most cowardly in society... they have no backbone, only a claim to being offended and "oppressed". We're done with it it is so, so pathetic.
but wtf about it is "woke"???
Like as far as I heard it "woke" is just the new catch phrase used by americans, like "socialist", "liberal", "communist", etc.
Is daenerys from GoT woke? Ripley? Were suffragettes woke?
3 really just describes a villains view, they have a strong idea on what is right, something like killing or taking out people they don't like or agree with, and stay on that stance until a hero tries to stop them but fails since they are so far gone and delusional
Honestly, I kinda want to take a woke character like this and flip it on its head, where everyone hates this person because of this wokeness. Essentially, this wokeness leads to their downfall, because everyone is sick and tired of it. All this characters friends leave because of this obsession with identity and politics combined into one.
Whoever this character is has to learn that being woke can drive people away from you due to the fact that they are forcing these things down people’s throats when they don’t want it.
This character is essentially the definition of “you are your own worst enemy”
@@cyrix6165 What does "wokeness" even mean then???
I thought it just meant to be aware of the systemic issues perpetuated by the state?
I mean if you dont like someone merely because they point out the wrongs of the society we inhabit then... well then thats kind of part of the problem, no?
The entire sequel trilogy was a missed opportunity to not have Han Luke and Leia and Lando in a scene together is probably the most unforgivable sin. Having Han go back 30 years in character development and Luke becoming a hopeless hermit… just listing these problems makes me want to assemble an army and an act order 66 on Disney and Lucasfilm
With all the weapons in America, you could easily do that in real life, i mean, how good is security at lucasfilm,
@@chheinrich8486 glowy
@@Mnesterus i dont know what you want to say😅
@@Mnesterus Where’s Strong Woman and the PC Babies?
@@chheinrich8486 average glowie (also Carrie fisher passed away so it is literally no longer possible)
There's not enough alcohol on this world to make me care about anything Disney puts out anymore.
Not even bud light?
This answer is easy they are boring. There whole thing is I’m gay or I’m a strong independent woman. And it just ruins the movie or piece of a franchise they touch
Miles morales is a good example of having a diverse character that doesn’t disrespect the former characters Peter passes the light onto miles and miles respects Peter’s legacy and they also explore miles’ cultural differences without making it his whole character and reason he exists. He’s simply a well written character that’s why he’s such a successful character
What is a "diverse character"? Is that code for nonwhite? If so, why don't we all just say what we actually mean without veiled speech? That said, I agree with your main point, that Miles Morales is a much better character, and I enjoyed Spiderman despite all the obvious minority aspect inserts (e.g. parents talking Spanish) because they felt more natural, as aspects that filled in the world details rather than being endemic to the plot or full of a preachy message.
Miles Morales is a mulatto created to replace a straight white man, Peter Parker.
I dont like the fact that they call him ¨Spiderman¨ when Peter's still around. He should have a different name. Other than that , he's ok
@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 There hundreds of Spidermen across mutliple universes. Would you name every single Spiderman a different one? e.g. Tarantulaman. Brown recluse man, Daddy long legs man...
@@fdwr He lives in the same universe as Peter, and Peter's not dead, so yeah, they should change his name. Do the same thing with the two Hawkeyes, the one with penis and the upstart with vagina, while they're at it.
4:14 If you are including Starkiller you should also include Ahsoka Tano, she is an even better example because she was hated in the first episodes. but later was accepted when her character was improved.
Your right about Ahsoka. She was made a nasty person at first on prepose. It was to show her having blind spots that she couldn't see in her character. As the show progressed, she became more self aware and matured to see her bad ways and change. It's a lesson in a few things. One: Bad character traits such as pride should be called out. Two: Everyone has room to grow and change. Three: Becoming humble will make you enduring.
That is why she is so loved. She is a good example of what youth can be. We can all easily start our youth thinking we know it all, that our elders are outdated, we can educate them. But the truth is we know so little and need the wisdom of others and the guidance of a steady hand to become much more that we are. Ahsoka exemplifies this growing into someone better.
Ahsoka would be a better character if all they wanted was a female lead too
Can't wait to see them ruin ashoka too in their new shows she is next on the cutting block
@@cin2110 I hate how right you are
And she was a good friend
Luke, did i ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano? She was your father's exotic teenage alien apprentice, a fine piece of jailbait from a more civilized age.
She had the tigherst body and the perkiest little breasts in the galaxy; barely legal in most systems.
Anakin and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every successful campaign during the Clone Wars and once in a while we'd have the whole 501st run a train over her, part of official Jedi "training" of course.
In time, she learned how to handle a meatsaber better than anyone in the Jedi Temple. She wore a miniskirt every day so we told her there were no panties in space, and since she was constantly doing acrobatics you'd get a glimpse of her orange pussy mid flights as she'd do a flip while slicing a B2 Super Battledroid in half.
It was surreal.
We taught her to grip her weapon backwards like a dildo and she constantly got captured by pirates and slavers almost every other day. It was ridiculous, like a constant porno Luke, you have no idea.
And she was a good friend.
It's also worth mentioning that there's a huge difference self inserting yourself into something pre-established, compared to self inserting yourself in something that is being established.
One is a fanfic while the other is the way it was designed to be.
Woke just inserted a rainbow into peoples rectums without realiseing it is just one big colourful pain in the ass that people don't like
The only time I think self-inserts are ok is if it means to be a base that is to be built up from their through growth. Like with the original Peter Parker design. As opposed to self-inserts that display no growth or some sort of character build and improv, "This is me, this is how i am, but I can still be special without ever working for it or improving to get it." Even self-insert characteristics and flaws, if for story reasons and inspirational reasons to demonstrate the character overcoming those flaws and/or not letting them dictate them, that I can find ok. But keeping the flaws in a character, or saying they are not flaws (even though they are clearly flaw) and just making them as what the character is and improving is not an option, you're fine flawed, (even though there is no real benefit), "And I should be loved regardless." My belief is that self-inserts as a base but demonstrating improvement and good storytelling is a fine option. While self-inserts as a means of drawing (no pun intended) attention on the actual person and there is no growth and improvement of character, they are just "fine" as they are, is just plain bad.
Self inserts are rad when you do em like Stan Lee did
The problem with all of these characters is twofold. On the first hit, they are as deep as the average porn character, and sometimes are even more shallow than that. On the second, their creators throw absolute tantrums any time you point this out, adding an element of contempt as well as idiocy.
I've seen that happen to DC's Starfire. Boy that was an ugly thing to read.
@@mintaddict1 That self insert thing from a few years ago? On the upside, someone made a short response comic wherein Slade explains to the author that now, no matter what she does, her character is now subject to the Rules of the Internet. It was glorious. I'm still trying to find it though.
A lot of the people writing them seem to be seasoned porn fanfiction writers
@@jesustyronechrist2330 If they were, then at least the porn would be entertaining. They can't even manage that much.
what made luke, and by extension anakin, so damn special is because their respect journeys to where they were. they started off on a desert planet with little in the way propects for a future. in comes a wise older mentor who was able to show them a wider world. they go out into the wider world but still lacked experience. they grow up to become better people (luke becomes a commander and anakin a jedi) but still make mistakes. they both take on sith masters and end up not only losing but being maimed in the process, leaving behind a premiant reminder of what their hotheadedness got them. in the third movie, they are both important figures in their respect organization: luke in the rebel alliance and anakin with the order/republic. but their choices send them on opposite paths: anakin falls to the dark side and luke rises to the light. their stories are full of pain and struggle.
rey has no such journey. she could already fly the falcon better than han. she gains the use of the jedi mind trick, a technique that not even luke had down in his outtings. she outduels kylo ren, a man trained by both snook and luke, despite having never touched a lightsaber before this. she receives very little training from luke but is still able to do shit that not even anakin and luke could do in their second movies. and she learns a force power that not even yoda, the greatest grandmaster of the jedi order, couldn't do. rey didn't earn anything. she was given it.
facts 💯
It took luke until the third movie to master the mind trick. It took Rey half of the first movie
It's because she's a Palpatine. The most powerful of all force users ever. Why? Because ultimately he won, but before that "he returned somehow".
Yup, Disney the big bad evil company made the big bad evil guy the ultimate winner of the franchise.
@@SquishysforbreakfastSkywalkers literally inherit some of Anakins potential
When it comes to a female character they're either great, characters like Black widow are great because they're not perfect. Then you have bad characters who are self inserts and given everything, Rey is that type of character.
I appreciate the fact that there are people choosing to criticizing Kaitlyn Kennedy for creating Rey and producing the dreaded movies
and NOT Daisy Ridley for simply play as Rey and the rest of the casts for play dumb poor written characters
Felt so bad when i heard she's been getting ALOT of hate and backlash for something she had no blame or Control over and it's not her fault for playing such a woke mary sue character.
if anything it's Kaitlyn who deserved all of the backlash and the lack of claps and woo during the celebrations really speaks for itself.
Well, she accepted the job, despite harrison ford warnings.
No she's also a cunt. She had some serious opinions about the fans just as the rose actress did, and when quickly told to fuck off they sob and stammer and cry about how they're targeted.
We learned not to go after the actors once the Prequel fans grew up and hate against the likes of Hayden Christianson finally stopped
Given what the actors and actresses have to work with, they did a pretty damn good job. But ultimately, it's not their fault that the characters and stories are incoherent mess of horse shit.
Bitch defended the movies
I 100% agree, as someone who’s bi It’s so frustrating to see poorly written virtual signalling characters that are straight up bad. Gives me a sour taste in my mouth, I don’t care about characters having the same sexuality or race as me, I just want well made characters
What I really hate is when writers think the only way to write a strong woman is to right a woman without flaw. It never works because the audience can no longer connect or relate to that character.
what's worst is that that very concept is a writing 101, what interest is there in a character that's basically a god, there's nothing to feel excited about them, good writing comes by precisely defining the character and make them feel believable
I remember one of the UA-camr said that Peter Parker is like the rest of us, but the creators punches him down on life even more making him not just relatable but rooting for the underdog. He is still my top favourite characters. Well written well planned characters are always amazing to watch. If the main characters have everything then it's so damn boring man.
Too bad his current run hasn't been as fun... still love him though
Anime proves that audiences are open to new diverse characters.
Exactly.
well the different with anime is, there are all kind of different series, so even if you hate one, you can just read the other but comic just stuck with the same characters for all those years, then they decided to screw those characters up to be more "modern"
Even anime would hate it if some character like Naruto or Goku sudden change to be gay now even though they show to love woman since forever.
@@shikniwho7215 Japan doesn't deal with much bs that America does.
If by "new and diverse" you mean "endless clones of whatever trend is currently popular".
@@shikniwho7215 The thing that’s different about anime is that what the character is doesn’t matter; it’s all about WHO the character is. They don’t shoehorn diversity into the show to tick a box - it’s all secondary to actual plot, backstory, and real character building. Their identity is built on story, not demographic standing. They also don’t take these aspects super-seriously and still know how to have fun and be creative and original.
7:50 - Oh for fuck sake 😠!
Lol, you are just disappointed as I am.
"actions speak louder than words" is such a timeless statement. Focusing on the character's role in the story rather than what they identify as creates a better foundation for development. A character's identity is just that, an identity. It doesn't tell us why this character is important to the story....that is the sole reason why most new characters feel more like fan fics than actual lore.
I have to admit that I feel the same way. I don't want to hate Rey. I really don't. I don't even blame her for the d--- move the writers did. Like you said, it should have been Luke.
I don’t even blame Daisy Ridley given the trash script she had to work with. If Disney wanted to make money instead of a political point, they had the entire EU to work with - Thrawn is a license to print.
It should have been Luke's son - Ben Skywalker.
I hate her and Disney more than anything.
They chose to go the "easy route" and replace an existing established character, they think at least. However, what I see is a completely missed opportunity for interesting new characters, and they don't even need to remove Luke. Not just Rey, but some others as well. If you look at legacy stories, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus is a much more interesting character than his supposed "replacement", Kylo Ren. Finn can also make for a great character if they have chosen a better writer.
It's not the needless pandering that really annoys me, but it's the self-righteousness that people have when doing it. Like people changing a characters skin colour to say they "fixed" them, changing a character's sexuality when it didn't matter in the first place, or just cramming self insert "I always win" type shower arguments into their stories. It's not the diversity of it all that's getting grating, but it's the people behind it acting like competent writers, acting like they know best, and how they have more creative potential than the men and women with actual creative talent, who wrote the stories that they're altering to fit their ideology. Creative media has just changed from being creative to a medium to tell thinly-veiled fanfiction by people who don't have the effort or creative potential to write stories of their own.
Bro, literally no one does that. Calm your saggy man-tits. If you didn't consume trash videos like this one, you'd be fine.
For some reason, that kind of reminds me of Imperialism.
How I see it is if the writer wants a character to be black, the character to be black. making a white character black does not "represent" black people, as if they needed any.
same thing with "gender", you don't need a character to represent you because if you want a character that is a gender or colour, you can't just have them be the same, and if so then why does it matter if they're not "fixed" or whatever
I got into an argument about that on a Facebook group when someone posted art of InuYasha characters reimagined as Africans. The most insulting was "it just looks right". Africans in Japanese clothing and backgrounds, but it isn't cultural appropriation. Honestly, the art was great. But all the exorbitant celebrations was just proving that diversity means black characters.
these new pieces of attempted entertainment seem to lack a person who is passionate about storytelling and have probably studied it, many people are passionate about this and they can whip up a serviceable story for a comic or whatever. It also seems like there is no quality control, can't they just get a few competent people to give their feedback so they can fix their mess.
The reason Spider-Man works is because his writers despise him. Maybe not literally, but they do everything they can to make him suffer. New girlfriend? Welp, she’s dead. Wife? Sold your marriage to the devil. Best friend? Betrayal. New girlfriend 2? Gets fucking cucked. And let’s not even mention the amount of times Peter gets the shit beaten out of him. Yet despite every time he gets knocked down, every time his back is to the wall and he has nothing left, he still has the will to fight. He gets back up. And the Sony Spider-Man movies really understand this
We HAD a damn good female character on The Mandalorian. Her name was Cara Dune, and they fired her actress for wrongthink.
I might be getting this wrong, and feel free to correct me, but the way this comment worded makes me think you didn't watch the video because there is a whole chapter on her that says exactly that.
@@sorthweast3030 Oh, yeah,you nailed it. I don't fully recall when I watched this vid, but no way did I get that far into it before making this comment. Sorry.
She was a strong woman,but in a wrong way.
The ministry of Diversity,Equity,Inclusion (tm) needs a bully,not a paragon.
Same shit with other cults,totalitarian governments,& fanatic movements.
Just look at JustStopOil.
@@coalcreekdefense8106 all good.
1984 in action
The original Force Awakens script had Finn And Rey as dual protagonists with Finn leaning towards the light and Rey was being pulled to the dark. The "awakening" that occurs in the movie where Rey grabs the light sabre originally happened to Finn whereas Rey actually ran from it out of fear.
I would have been more for this than what they did.
i hate that we had so much buildup and potential for finn, but he was just put to the side
Source?
This is my sentiments exactly, I'm tired of seeing pandering to "fans" who don't even watch or read or are interested in the media. Just cause they have loud voices on Twitter doesn't mean they're the majority.
I'm mixed, and although I love to see different races portrayed in any type of media. I get upset when they just insert a person of a race with no background, or color swap a main character we like just to be inclusive.
Create a story, create a character with a background and depth. Then decide on what gender, race, etc. they'll be. Is it that hard?
Exactly. We can have successful gay, diverse, or even trans characters cause it has been proven that they can work. However, you can’t have that be their entire character and personality while offering nothing else. I would gladly listen to a story that has a trans character as the protagonist assuming the character is fleshed out and well written without the fact that they’re trans constantly being shoved in my face.
You can have a predetermined race or sexuality when creating a character tho. all it is is just making that character well.
I'm half Nigerian and half Japanese. I have never seen a character like me in any entertainment media I'm into. That has never bothered me. I just enjoy well written characters and good story telling.
Sad thing is that those characters exist. Kal-zod is black Superman. Or you can do Steel. People have been begging for Static Shock. No one had an issue with Brandi or Whoopi Goldberg in Cinderella because it was an adaptation of the stage play. And no one would bat an eye at a black mermaid, but they decided to change Ariel from Disney's The Little Mermaid. Heck, there actually is one in the animated show.
The Sequel Trilogy's third movie was a complete dumpster fire as a direct result of of listening to that loud microscopic minority.
This is gold...this chef's kiss.... I love you.
A perfect example of writing good female and male characters is my second favorite video game resident evil 5. Both Chris(a white male) and Sheva(a black female) are both well written. They both are capable people who don't sideline the other character, hey both help each other out, and the both have traumatic past, and they are both love characters among the resident evil community.
Chris VS Boulder was the most beautifully choreographed fight scene in all of gaming history.
Jokes aside, I agree. Some people didn't like RE5, but I did. Its great.
I know its not totally related, but I appreciate Josh's voice actor pretty much telling the people calling the game "racist" that it takes place in Africa. There is gonna be black people and to just enjoy the game
Apparently if you like Resident Evil 5 in current year, you are a racist… *rolls eyes so hard I can see my on brain*
Resident evil as a whole is the perfect example of why you don’t need to be pandering to write awesome and strong female characters.
There dialogues are goofy thou.
I hate when companies cannot figure out how to write certain characters so they base the entire personality over what they are supposed to be or make them a huge trope mess with nothing to redeem it then blame others for not "understanding" or liking it
Because being gay or blaq in of itself isnt anything special or unique, it is shallow and vain at best.
Remember when writers were criticized for putting gay characters in TV shows because one of their defining characteristics was "gay"?
Funny how the mob that took over those writing positions are doing the exact same thing, yet thumping their chests about it.
Having lgbt characters or a diverse skin colors characters are completely fine, what is not fine is their story and personality are a hot pile of garbage.
9:35 "Peter also suffers immensely"
We have too many comic issues and 3 or more movies to prove that
Man Tom holland Peter ain’t suffered shit. Well, except for those times when..
Beautifully written. Told a great story. My ears were blessed today.
Thank you for the kind words 🤘🏻🔥
@@EndymionTv Your videos suck. You churn out 30 videos a month about MUH WOKENESS regurgitating the same flimsy points that every other fat, emotionally stunted conservative has. You're a grifter who has discovered that the only way to make money is to pander to terminally online weirdos.
@@EndymionTv Thank you for highlighting everything wrong with Hollywood today.
You’re more forgiving than I am, because I absolutely think Daisy Ridley is on board with the woke shit and has injected her own beliefs in Rey, but since her and Kathleen’s ideology is damn near identical you can’t tell the difference
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that her performance had nothing to do with the reason her character sucks. That's what people mean. There are characters who shck because the actor does a bad job, and then there are characters who suck because of bad writing and or direction. Daisy Ridley's Rey falls into the latter category.
Daisy should honestly not talk at all cause first, her name is f*cking Daisy lmao - 2nd, her big teeth for cracking shellfish are honestly disgusting and downright creepy
@@Tyler_W ...I can agree with this. It's the same with John Boyega. The character he portrayed had amazing potential...could have been the next Han Solo...but Disney...out of sheer fucking hubris...relegated him to a bumbling side character.
All them are idelogs of the same fucking thing
@@Tyler_W yes her acting and her character both sucked.
In a very interesting humanities class I took during my associates, a classmate in my group introduced themselves as "Hi my name is X and I'm trans." So I replied "Hey my name is X and I'm not trans." They immidietely went to go talk to my professor and we never got put in a group again. I said nothing malicious, if you can use being trans as your definitive factor of identity, I can do the opposite. You've opened the door for things like that reply.
Ah, you need more subtlety. You should have said: "My name is X and my middle school French teacher's favourite sport was tennis". In an introduction situation it's just as meaningful as someone's sexuality.
@@jeremiaas15 Ah damn that is way better. I'll do that next time because there will definately be a next time at some point without doubt.
You passed the class thats why you were never put in again. You showed the double standards
dawg you know that she did nothing wrong right?
@@dotzs2396 no one said that, and whos she?
The reason spider man works too is because we can better relate. He struggles with paying rent his job is tough as hell and doesn’t pay well.
I wish there were more videos like this. Not necessarily videos about “wokism,” but videos that point out diverse characters that are good…because they’re good characters. Imagine going to a production studio in Korea and chastising them for failing to meet checklists. “How come the ethnicity of all your characters are Korean?” I look at these groups that literally GRADE studios based on a checklist system, and I think ‘Well then you f**king make it! Make the 3000 point checklist production of your dreams, and leave the rest of us alone.”
Production studios in Korea probably have MASSIVE checklists. It's just that racial/sexual diversity isn't on them, or at least not that high up on the list. (Probably still helps sales to have a gay/foreigner here and there).
Because woke is essentially a western / white supremacy movement that pretends like the rest of the world doesn't matter. Even in this video, he called a muslim "diverse," when there are over a billion of them in the world. That is how much these absurd ideas have taken over.
Some times I wonder if these woke characters are made out of fear. Like the creators or publishers feel like they HAVE TO push these characters out of fear from the Twitter morons.
I feel it’s somewhat of a grey area. Sometimes people are just trying to include POC or LGBTQ persons into their work with genuine intent on representation and it falls flat and other times you get Mindy Kollin (Prob not how u pronounce her last name but idrc) who is very clearly on a power trip and trying to be as PC as they can so they can get brownie points for being inclusive while also having an out if anyone has any genuine criticism towards their work.
No it’s all about business,unfortunately 2 years ago go woke go broke or even until now aren’t a things you may see a woke movies got lot of bad review and critics from anywhere but critics is not a matters for profit,as long as lot people watched it either of they like the movies or just want to roast the movies are still profit with that,so woke are nothing but just a produtct they don’t reallh care about equality or race lives matter no nothing at all…they just cared about money because making woke is increased profit.I read somewhere when a company admit by themselves if since they propagated political their profit is drastically increased.
@@ilhamardanta4737 Oh companies are completely cynically driven by this, no doubt about that. I’m mostly talking about people like Mindy Kollin
@@rynemcgriffin1752 I believe people like her or KK are just tools being used by "Greater will"
You're mistaken. They ARE the Twitter morons. Most of these "creators" bossed their way into these positions based on diversity rather than actual skill.
This is why gatekeeping is so important.
We should've done years ago but now it's too late.
@@headshotmaster138 yup. Just gotta make sure anime and manga doesn’t fall. Some hope in indies also.
@@RedDragon-yp3tg One can hope for sure.
@@RedDragon-yp3tg just bully those people out of these spaces. Make them look like the odd ones who act like weirdos instead of the apostles of Good™
@@edgar7456 There are attempts. Unfortunately, the problem people now sit in positions of power at the studios, and they control the product. Very hard to get them gone. Going after them on social media is one thing...but actually rooting them out of their positions at the studios...damn near impossible. Better to just let the product die, and make new indie stuff, and protect stuff like anime/manga/niche games.
They’re condescending.
That and their message only has half truths, and it’s infuriating how ignorant, willfully or not, they are about it.
the problem was never about its wokeness or "message" its the fact they were simply made by terrible writers and are using said wokeness as a mean to deflect criticism to their shitty writings
Yeah, its lack of any character of the writers themselves. WOKE is just an excuse to be a crappy writer.
To me, it's more that the characters we love have arcs, stories, struggles. These new age characters have everyone love them, people do non sensible things to help the character, and the new characters have extreme powers
Bad righting or cheap
@@Uwhwvwgwh Or Both
@@swiftstreak98 yes
So it's the same sort of trash as anime
What really annoys me is that they just never learn and blame everyone else BUT themselves for creating a character that no one relates to. I’m bi and I don’t just want to see a character that is just bisexual… Like come on.. I wanna see a character that have flaws, strengths and weaknesses, growth, trial and tribulations that just happened to be bisexual because that’s just what I relate to
Good example of that is the show SEE, with Jason Momoa - its a very good show, but his daughter in it is lesbian, or should I say turns out that way, as the show start season one with them as children growing up, learning, reading applying the knowledge, growing, in her case making bow and arrows, becoming damn good at it, then ending in war, getting captured, meeting another person on the enemy side who can see, then sleeps with her and small side story of their love starts.
But the main thing is, she was a built established character, shown with flaws, who fell for another women - and it wasn't over top thrown in your face that, that was all she was.
The idea of here is this character she is lesbian(or Bi) first then everything else, it is here is this character, who is this, who has these issues, who tries this, who then struggles with understanding herself until she falls in love with another woman and is lesbian, Over the course of season 1 and 2, it isn't thrown in your face on day one, it is built to that ending over the course of time, which makes it a lot more understandable and acceptable.
I do seriously recommend the show, very enjoyable, a lot of thought has gone in to that show and it shows.
Yeah, I think its sad because it shows that a lot of these writers think the most important thing about themselves is who they are attracted to. Honestly, who cares that you are bi or gay? (Not you specifically, like the characters) Lets show a person who is bi or gay but has character flaws, personal growth, development of other values that have nothing to do with sex.
I just honestly don't think that sex and who someone is attracted to is the most interesting part of a persons personality. That is only a very small portion of what makes a person who they are.
Just like you as a person have so much more about your personal story than just being bi.
marcaline and PB From adventure time is great. even though bubblegum is a totalitarian dictator but still lol
You my friend, are definitely bisexual
ikr, your sexuality shouldn't be your main trait 😭
5:00 We don't want to be represented by heroes, we want heroes that inspire us to be like them. For F sake, it's not that complicated.
A good way to write a good character is to review them *without* having to state their race, sexuality, weight, and gender. If you can't describe them without those traits, you failed, rewrite them.
Edit: Jeebus, 115 likes and 5 replies?! I know its sometimes annoying to see people giving thanks for this kinda stuff, but thanks.
Ripley in "Alien" was written in that way.
I think a good example is Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who (and Torchwood); it becomes readily apparent that’s he’s bi, due to his shameless flirting with just about anything with a pulse, but it’s never actually announced that he is bi. They just wrote him well enough that you could tell he’s bi without them telling you he’s bi.
Either that, or I’m miss remembering him and need to watch Doctor Who again.
@Björn H I love bringing up this fact when coming across any wokie who brings up that representation is only just now being done.
@@themightyalpaca313 That's pretty much how I remember it too. Later The Doctor explained Jack was omnisexual.
Yes exactly. A big problem from these sorts of characters that i ve found is exactly this. Back until the 2015's and so, the way that characters were created was: We have this new character and it's name is X. X is a space engineer and has had a rough childhood. The way X has matured is through all of the problems that it has faced as a child, and now, all that it has learned as a child is being tested now as an adult. X is a good person, is very smart and is a fucking space engineer... oh and he's gay or something. The way they write characters nowadays is: this is X and he's gay. Oh and he s a space engineer, but that doesn't really matter because he is gay.
I’d like to mention to add to the self-insert characters. I believe that Aragorn is the self-insert of Tolkien where it is the characteristics that he strives to have or sees as kingly. Not that Tolkien is sees himself as a king rather putting his ideas of good people in different forms and it’s honestly beautiful.
Self-insert isn’t always bad. Even Mary Sues can be great if other characters think she is perfect but probably uses it as a front for her own insecurities. Not necessarily the reader needs to think of them as perfect.
Exactly Nothing wrong self insert. Just as long as the one inserting themselves aren't pieces of shit
Like was a Mary sue, so was Anakin. While anakin kinda was poorly done in the prequels he was well done pretty much everywhere else. Rey failed to work because she didn’t have character flaws and didn’t need to grow, snaking had an actual story that had good broad strokes, Luke had some skills he probably shouldn’t have, but he still needed to learn to use a lightsaber and the force, and they barely succeeded in the first movie. He lost his first duel, but he was well written. Ray had no goal that lined up with the story, somehow knew everything she needed to, stumbled on nostalgia bait, detracted from the well and decently written character in the movie, never truly lost a battle, brought us to a pile of regrets and character flaws that Mark Hamil thought didn’t feel like Luke, stole some books, got Luke killed, and then a poor rendition of the palpatine clone saga with Ray finding out she’s his defendant, rejecting her history, hey force heal is canon again. Why? Because we say so. I’m a skywalker, not even my own character.
I think that's just plain inserting. If the author wants to express their morality through the story, the author would give the heroes virtues and the villains morals the author disagrees with.
The trap is to fall in your fantasizes. You can male a self-insert or a Marye-Sue. It can work. But only if you have self-control and a good knowledge about storybuilding.
But most creators who make a self-insert are arrogant and selfcentred and are only preoccupied by if they are the victims or not. So like 99% of the time, we end up with a bad character.
I think the difference is creators before had a bit of humility when they self-inserted. Nowadays, self-inserts are always overly glorified representations of the writers - AKA Self Insert Mary Sues - whether it's Bella Swan for Stephenie Meyer or Katniss Everdeen for Suzanne Collins or Hermione Granger for JK Rowling.
This is why Rogue One was such a great movie. All new characters that actually developed as the story progressed. They gave a respectful nod to the old movies, gave Vader an awesome moment (that was totally in character for him), and then showed us all that a bunch of normal idiots can make an impact on the world. This movie stands strong in my book.
And it has a diverse cast that never felt out of place or hamfisted for the sake of scoring cheap political points.
That movie was so great! One of my favorite!
There were problems in the movie, but it was one of the best Star Wars movies in the last decade
Thank you! I don't undrstand the hate it gets. Sta wars is more than jedi and lightsabers
I can answer that question. Because it is lead by FAKE diversity and is mostly focused on self inserts and being politically correct. That is just LAZY writing!
I love woke characters. They make me appreciate better written characters _way_ more.
What characters are those? Seems like every character is called woke now.
@@hihihi1q23 Shrek
@@hihihi1q23 -called-
I'd like to thank Kathleen, Ryan, JJ and Disney for curing me of a 30 year addiction, inherited to by my family, almost passed on to my children.
Their efforts to expose that evil can only corrupt, which I should not consume, has truly helped me move on.
Nah, I'll still enjoy PT, OT, Rogue, Andor, Clone Wars. They are still good entertainment and even have good virtue lessons in them.
But also make Disney and Lucasfilm bleed money for their trash products. Like, I'll never ever buy anything related to Sequels. And if everyone else did the same, their stockholders will clearly see this.
You look alot like this guy called He-man are you related by anychance ?
Thanks to them I moved on to warhammer minis
@@Whakapohaneitetou Thank you! The OG pronoun-man is my uncle. People call me They-ma'am.
@@rustedknight Warhammer 40K minis and lore to fill that SW-EU sized hole for me.
9:32 LOUDER for everyone in the back
Besides all this, Deadpool's cannon love interest is actually death