Their Comparison is EXTREMELY similar to groudon and Kyogre, where Koraidon has more stab options (Added fire cus of sun), and Miraidon has more powerful stab (Via Electric Terrain.) I really enjoy this type of duo. One who has more options, and the other who has one really broken option.
@@AuroraBoost alot of koraidon checks are already premier uber threats like hooh, ogre, and the arceus forms, it’s scarf set is the only legit form of speed control the tier had to offer outside of gimmicks like webs. ofc it has a strong set up set with scale shot and loaded dice, but it brings more positive to the tier than miraidon who forces checks like tinglu, and being a more one dimensional breaker.
Immagine if it gets banned with basculegion: on one hand you have a futuristic elettric dragon with a built-in life orb, 135 Spe and SpA and a lot of set variety, on the other a big fish with ptsd
@@genarftheunfuni5227 the problem would be the same as the shed tail situation: for a period of time Cyclizar was ubers because of shed tail, but it got unbanned after it became clear that even on orthworm it was too much. The point is that last respect houndstone is not broken, so they might just ban basculegion (althougt it's also an nu pokemon so i don't really know how they would go about it)
That would’ve been perfect. Plus maybe there could’ve been an ice move that almost acted like Nuzzle but for Frostbite? Would’ve been a huge boon for ice types along with the snow weather condition
@@yosh9192 Exactly my point, We have so many things to keep Physical attackers in check. But Barely anything for special ones. Most of the new pokemon that are ban worthy strong as special attackers, Flutter Mane, Ghouldingo Espthia and MIraidon. Having a status to keep them in check like special version of burn would have helped.
@@TheCrazyhuskyi think it's fine to keep physical and special moves/pokemon different, even if it does lead to a power imbalance. At the end of the day, there needs to be a reason for having 2 offensive and 2 defensive stats
The future paradox pokemon are going to be ridiculously strong if miraidon can be used in vgc. The only other Electric Terrain user in scarlet and violet is Pincurchin which is just not a good option
@@mandalorianhunter1 Personally I just wish Electric Surge was given to more mons, namely Ampharos. I doubt it’d improve Amphy’s viability that much, but it’d at least be able to do more than Pincurchin.
I really wanted to have a regulation allowing only 1 restricted from the national dex so we can have a war between past/future paradox before the rest of box legendaries can roll in
Koraidon and Last Respects are next when Miradon goes Miradon can even muscle through ting lu by slotting in solar beam on life orb sets Koraidon will go next
Similar to mega rayquaza, zacian in gen 8, and calyrex, you gotta ask this question, is the tier unplayable with this broken mon in it, the thing I’m saying is that is ubers really unplayable with miraidon in it so much that the tier is better off without it or is advised not to play in it at all?
100% agree here, Ubers is meant to be a tier for overpowered shit where bans are a very LAST resort. Mega Rayquaza? Had simply higher stats than every other Pokemon in Ubers that has a free item slot, has an insane movepool, has insane setup options, insane versatility that makes it basically uncounterable. Zacian? Outsped and nuked just about everything with the closest thing to counterplay being lower tiered Unaware Pokemon. Calyrex-Shadow? There was zero counterplay whatsoever. It outspeeds, teras to counter its counters, and snowballs to win. Miraidon has counterplay, maybe not consistent due to set variety, but there is counterplay, and the set variety isn't on the same level as Mega Ray either.
@@Milesprowerthegamer You have to keep in mind that Mirai gets free E-Terrain, on top of Hadron boosting its special attack, on top of electro drift. Yeah ground types can wall it, but Ting-Lu can only pivot so many times, and even then it can get screwed over by Miraidon’s coverage after boosting. Plus Taunt can shut down a lot of its counters that rely on recovery moves, and once again there really isn’t anything that wants to switch in on an Electro Drift if a switch gets predicted. Yeah there’s counterplay, but a lot of it just ends up being a minor inconvenience to Mirai depending on the set.
As someone who rarely ever dabbles in Ubers this gen, learning that Miraidon has access to Taunt and Overheat sent me through a loop. I mean I guess Overheat makes sense thematically since it’s a robot and all, but taunt? Kinda insane how some sets can just say “no stalker child, you don’t get reliable recovery switching into me”
Miraidon already can one shot most mons, so most switch ins are just healing it. If it puts life orb to add to it's electric terrain strength, then you can just heal off the recoil while doing enough damage to them.
I think they’re doing the suspect test to try and stabilise Ubers more by having fewer centralising threats. Miraidon might not be mega ray level but it is close. However when you combine the restriction on team building of miraidon koraidon and last repects fish then the meta game is really not fun and oppressive to play in. They all restrict team building too much. I would say koraidon is better then miraidon however at least bring some positive benefits to the tier, speed control to keep broken gimmicks and stuff like zacian in check and sun to stop kyogre from nuking everything. Miraidon literally doesn’t bring any positive benefits to Ubers like koraidon so it’s more of a pest then a necessary annoying pokemon, hence it can be banned from Ubers without causing the tier to further destabilise. After miraidon tho koraidon has to go as well, at least then we can have dark types like kingsmbit and Arceus dark to stop last respects and not have to run tera fairy all the time. Although Last respects is so cheap I would love to see it removed, like what we’re Gf smoking. A 300 base power move with east setup hits most of the tier for neutral and can be further boosted by adaptability and tera. As well as the fact both types that resist or immune to it get nuked by tera fighting. It’s so much value and requires so little thought, you either nuke the entire opponents team or go tera fighting to clear any checks before going back to last respects nuking everything
@@uribevaldezargenis8862 Doesn't Koraidon's tera fire, sun boosted flare blitz actually do MORE damage to a neutral target than a tera electric, electric terrain electro drift from Miraidon due to electric Terrain's damage boost getting nerfed from 1.5x to 1.3x back in gen 7, and Koraidon having a 1.5x tera boost, while Miraidon has a 1.33x tera boost? So Koraidon technically has a better STAB under specific circumstances, and Koraidon wants to go tera fire anyway.
Pretty sure Natdex got the ban so fast because of Z-moves letting Miraidon instantly muscle through essentially all things that would usually counter it.
@@ciuppaaa This is how Ubers tier works, always with a centralized metagame to stop beasts. In Gen 6 Groudon disabled almost all water types and you always had to have a check for Xerneas. In Gen 8 it was mandatory to have a Yveltal to stop the Calyrex Shadow beast. And not to mention previous generations of Uber with Kyogre forcing all teams to have immunity to water type. I agree with banning a Pokémon from Ubers to AG if it does the same as Zacian, Mega Rayquaza or Calyrex Shadow who break the metagame completely. In my opinion Miraidon has not reached that level.
I don’t like the idea of banning this guy at all. Like he’s a box legendary. I feel like you could nerf them a bit with what items or tera can they use but I don’t want the Pokémon gone
Ur high on crack if you think this is an AG pokemon lmao. Its barely thr best pokemon in its tier. Arguably korai and the ghodt fish are both better than it right now. It dies to +2 e killer has mulyiple pokemon thay revenge it and all of its sets have counters but more importantly it can just be out offenced. If you played gen 6-7-8 you know What a true AG feels like and this is not even close.
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Funny people were thinking it wasn't as strong thanks to Koraidon surpassing it, but now it's living up to being the strongest Mon this gen. Beautiful
Their Comparison is EXTREMELY similar to groudon and Kyogre, where Koraidon has more stab options (Added fire cus of sun), and Miraidon has more powerful stab (Via Electric Terrain.) I really enjoy this type of duo. One who has more options, and the other who has one really broken option.
Koraidon is still stronger, miraidon just is very straightforward and offers nothing to the tier compared to Koraidon scarf set.
@@wulin881both should probably go to AG
Both aren't healthy and have no true counters
@wulin881 this doesn't make any sense. Koraidon is also straightforward. Set up and kill or just kill on sight
@@AuroraBoost alot of koraidon checks are already premier uber threats like hooh, ogre, and the arceus forms, it’s scarf set is the only legit form of speed control the tier had to offer outside of gimmicks like webs. ofc it has a strong set up set with scale shot and loaded dice, but it brings more positive to the tier than miraidon who forces checks like tinglu, and being a more one dimensional breaker.
Immagine if it gets banned with basculegion: on one hand you have a futuristic elettric dragon with a built-in life orb, 135 Spe and SpA and a lot of set variety, on the other a big fish with ptsd
Last Respects is what should be banned, not Basculegion. Because take that move out of the phish and it has nothing to offer
@@genarftheunfuni5227 the problem would be the same as the shed tail situation: for a period of time Cyclizar was ubers because of shed tail, but it got unbanned after it became clear that even on orthworm it was too much.
The point is that last respect houndstone is not broken, so they might just ban basculegion (althougt it's also an nu pokemon so i don't really know how they would go about it)
Personally I still think the Frostbite status from PLA should have replaced Freeze in Gen9 to keep special attackers in check.
That would’ve been perfect.
Plus maybe there could’ve been an ice move that almost acted like Nuzzle but for Frostbite? Would’ve been a huge boon for ice types along with the snow weather condition
@@yosh9192Yeah ice types would actually become very good !
@@yosh9192 Exactly my point, We have so many things to keep Physical attackers in check. But Barely anything for special ones.
Most of the new pokemon that are ban worthy strong as special attackers, Flutter Mane, Ghouldingo Espthia and MIraidon. Having a status to keep them in check like special version of burn would have helped.
@@TheCrazyhuskyi think it's fine to keep physical and special moves/pokemon different, even if it does lead to a power imbalance. At the end of the day, there needs to be a reason for having 2 offensive and 2 defensive stats
Friendly reminder that If miraidon gets banned, than this will be the SECOND banned uber in this generation.
Remember Calyrex?
I don't want to
SS banned 3 Ubers
@@MaahirMomtaz12technically 2 (both zacians and caly shadow)
@@mp_o_roxothey didnt ban calyshadow, or if they did, it was unbanned at some point
@@turtle_7777 I'm pretty sure they banned it then unbanned it and then rebanned it in gen 9
The future paradox pokemon are going to be ridiculously strong if miraidon can be used in vgc. The only other Electric Terrain user in scarlet and violet is Pincurchin which is just not a good option
I just want Tapu Koko back then the future paradox mons can dominate OU
@@mandalorianhunter1
Personally I just wish Electric Surge was given to more mons, namely Ampharos.
I doubt it’d improve Amphy’s viability that much, but it’d at least be able to do more than Pincurchin.
I really wanted to have a regulation allowing only 1 restricted from the national dex so we can have a war between past/future paradox before the rest of box legendaries can roll in
@@yosh9192 it might in singles or VGC.
I think it would be great on the Electabuzz line, it would be much better in singles and doubles.
Koraidon and Last Respects are next when Miradon goes
Miradon can even muscle through ting lu by slotting in solar beam on life orb sets
Koraidon will go next
I will be making sure that koraidon never goes I’ll make 50 accounts to meet reqs if needed
@@IvyTheBaristalol
I really miss using koraidon in natdex. I spammed choice scarf koraidon to high ladder. Used it on basically every team
Similar to mega rayquaza, zacian in gen 8, and calyrex, you gotta ask this question, is the tier unplayable with this broken mon in it, the thing I’m saying is that is ubers really unplayable with miraidon in it so much that the tier is better off without it or is advised not to play in it at all?
Completely agree with you...
Yes lol
100% agree here, Ubers is meant to be a tier for overpowered shit where bans are a very LAST resort.
Mega Rayquaza? Had simply higher stats than every other Pokemon in Ubers that has a free item slot, has an insane movepool, has insane setup options, insane versatility that makes it basically uncounterable.
Zacian? Outsped and nuked just about everything with the closest thing to counterplay being lower tiered Unaware Pokemon.
Calyrex-Shadow? There was zero counterplay whatsoever. It outspeeds, teras to counter its counters, and snowballs to win.
Miraidon has counterplay, maybe not consistent due to set variety, but there is counterplay, and the set variety isn't on the same level as Mega Ray either.
I haven't played any Uber but banning miraidon sounds crazy
@@Milesprowerthegamer
You have to keep in mind that Mirai gets free E-Terrain, on top of Hadron boosting its special attack, on top of electro drift.
Yeah ground types can wall it, but Ting-Lu can only pivot so many times, and even then it can get screwed over by Miraidon’s coverage after boosting. Plus Taunt can shut down a lot of its counters that rely on recovery moves, and once again there really isn’t anything that wants to switch in on an Electro Drift if a switch gets predicted.
Yeah there’s counterplay, but a lot of it just ends up being a minor inconvenience to Mirai depending on the set.
As someone who rarely ever dabbles in Ubers this gen, learning that Miraidon has access to Taunt and Overheat sent me through a loop.
I mean I guess Overheat makes sense thematically since it’s a robot and all, but taunt? Kinda insane how some sets can just say “no stalker child, you don’t get reliable recovery switching into me”
3:36 why parabolic charge over drift? Yeah it heals but everytime they use para charge it always 2 shots instead of one shots.
Miraidon already can one shot most mons, so most switch ins are just healing it. If it puts life orb to add to it's electric terrain strength, then you can just heal off the recoil while doing enough damage to them.
primal groudon owns this guy
Just started the Parabolic set, and it is really nice to use
My favorite Miraidon set was the Agility, CM, Parabolic Charge set. Fast, strong, and bulky enough to sweep many teams.
I think they’re doing the suspect test to try and stabilise Ubers more by having fewer centralising threats. Miraidon might not be mega ray level but it is close. However when you combine the restriction on team building of miraidon koraidon and last repects fish then the meta game is really not fun and oppressive to play in. They all restrict team building too much.
I would say koraidon is better then miraidon however at least bring some positive benefits to the tier, speed control to keep broken gimmicks and stuff like zacian in check and sun to stop kyogre from nuking everything.
Miraidon literally doesn’t bring any positive benefits to Ubers like koraidon so it’s more of a pest then a necessary annoying pokemon, hence it can be banned from Ubers without causing the tier to further destabilise.
After miraidon tho koraidon has to go as well, at least then we can have dark types like kingsmbit and Arceus dark to stop last respects and not have to run tera fairy all the time.
Although Last respects is so cheap I would love to see it removed, like what we’re Gf smoking. A 300 base power move with east setup hits most of the tier for neutral and can be further boosted by adaptability and tera. As well as the fact both types that resist or immune to it get nuked by tera fighting.
It’s so much value and requires so little thought, you either nuke the entire opponents team or go tera fighting to clear any checks before going back to last respects nuking everything
Idk why they thought a 1.3333x multiplier was a great idea.
Gen 9 OU might get banned from gen 9 OU.
What about Koraidon then? It is clearly stronger, more versatile and has three stabs essentially. Why is this not considered for a ban?
3 stabs doesn't mean much if one of Mirraidon's stabs is way stronger so it is harder to wall
If miradion get banned Koraidon will get banned shortly afterwards
@@uribevaldezargenis8862 Doesn't Koraidon's tera fire, sun boosted flare blitz actually do MORE damage to a neutral target than a tera electric, electric terrain electro drift from Miraidon due to electric Terrain's damage boost getting nerfed from 1.5x to 1.3x back in gen 7, and Koraidon having a 1.5x tera boost, while Miraidon has a 1.33x tera boost? So Koraidon technically has a better STAB under specific circumstances, and Koraidon wants to go tera fire anyway.
NATDEX ubers has it banned, id believe it.
isn't that because z moves just make some Pokemon way too strong for a turn?
Pretty sure Natdex got the ban so fast because of Z-moves letting Miraidon instantly muscle through essentially all things that would usually counter it.
ND Ubers has both Miraidon and Koraidon banned
Miraidon might get banned from ubers before Gholdengo is banned from OU. This is insane folks
Welp, it got banned
yeah it’s really impossible to play ubers with miraidon around 😭
Not for me, but it does require having a ground type to stop that beast, or a Rillabom AV (I found it lol)
@@jaasielgil7013 yeah but i can’t team build anymore without thinking about miraidon
@@ciuppaaa This is how Ubers tier works, always with a centralized metagame to stop beasts. In Gen 6 Groudon disabled almost all water types and you always had to have a check for Xerneas. In Gen 8 it was mandatory to have a Yveltal to stop the Calyrex Shadow beast. And not to mention previous generations of Uber with Kyogre forcing all teams to have immunity to water type.
I agree with banning a Pokémon from Ubers to AG if it does the same as Zacian, Mega Rayquaza or Calyrex Shadow who break the metagame completely. In my opinion Miraidon has not reached that level.
@@jaasielgil7013 What moves and stats do you run on Rilla?
Miradon is.
I don’t like the idea of banning this guy at all. Like he’s a box legendary. I feel like you could nerf them a bit with what items or tera can they use but I don’t want the Pokémon gone
That’s not how Smogon works. Complex bans are what you’re thinking of, but complex bans are very rarely ever done
blame gamefreak
they banned zacian last gen, mirai getting exiled to AG is well within the realm of possibility (and so is korai getting banned lmao)
Both the bikes gotta go if u don’t bring a counter or run them urself ur basically losing
Ur high on crack if you think this is an AG pokemon lmao. Its barely thr best pokemon in its tier.
Arguably korai and the ghodt fish are both better than it right now. It dies to +2 e killer has mulyiple pokemon thay revenge it and all of its sets have counters but more importantly it can just be out offenced.
If you played gen 6-7-8 you know What a true AG feels like and this is not even close.