Fun fact: Xerneas in x/y was almost banned from ubers before the existance of Anything goes, since without primal groudon or Necrozma dusk mane its really hard to stop
I figured that Terastallization would've made Geomancy Deer too much, especially when Ground alone would be able to power through a majority of the better ways to check it.
Add in Water/Electric(/Rock if you're insane) to beat Ho-Oh which is the counter to Ground Tera and you find yourself in a terrible predicament of never knowing if your check actually checks it and needing to run both and be careful to preserve both as well
Ubers’ centralization and limited restrictions are a great case study against the idea of power creep being an exclusively downward push on Pokemon. Adding new Pokemon and mechanics can recenter a metagame and make something that wasn’t banworthy before into a bigger problem. Pokemon is so different across generations, tiers, formats, and time. Xerneas has been a controversial Uber from its release and although some generations introduce new counterplay, it’s also feasible that Xerneas has formats like NDUbers where the stars align better for it to become a banworthy force.
I found out about the ban while teambuildig a HO team, and am not surprised in the slightest. It's always been crazy, tera being the thing to push it over the edge is destiny
Got swept by a guy on natdex ubers a few days ago by their geomancy xerneas during suspect test. Had the balls to say 'ez' to me. I didn't say anything in response just thought it was funny that the mon they swept me with was gonna be banned within a few days anyway. I had no counterplay since I was using a lot of lower tiers like RU in my team.
Non (triple)ubers guys should be able to dynamax in AG. That’d be interesting ash. Dynamax “shitmon” or terra broken guy. And then shedinja would be ass. Bring a solg/DM, Tao trio guy, or spend the dmax for a rock move.
Just imagine Xerneas in gen 9 with tera blast, I personally believe game freak would know how absurd it would be so it's why they left it out of the game. Zygarde complete would've been similarly disgusting as a tera option especially with access to tera normal extreme speed, and Yveltal while not quite on par with those two would be a nuke with tera dark boosted knock offs and foul plays. Glad we don't have to deal with those pokemon this time around
I mean koraidon, miraidon, and calyrex shadow rider all exist all at the same time already so not allowing them to return is pretty arbitrary, hell I would've advocated for their return so I could see the absoute hell competitive pokemon would've been thrown into, allowing people to rethink their life choices and unite against the pokemon co. and nintendo to stop pushing slop at their doorsteps.
I think this is why Gamefreak may never create a Fairy/Ground Pokemon unless it sucks horribly stats or ability-wise - it's a perfect offensive AND defensive combination - Fairy has excellent neutral coverage, and Ground covers both of Fairy's two weaknesses. Imagine if Xerneas learned Earth Power instead of having to rely on Focus Blast...
@@sarahsturgill9262 Yes, but having two immunities in Dragon and Electric is still useful in multiplayer, and would be the best possible Miraidon check. Meanwhile, Flutter Mane already exists as the purest Koraidon check by not only being Ghost/Fairy, but by being potentially faster than him under sun (Koraidon only gets an Attack boost under the sun he sets up).
Imagine the chaos in both singles and doubles if it returned this generation. I want to see that happen along with the other terrain setters. GD GF bring back the terrain
@@JanusHoW yeah after and it still hasn't happened yet, which I'm wondering when it will be. Also Tapu Koko will still be used in the case of Miraidon counters.
@@mandalorianhunter1 Except nothing can come in on Miraidon 100% safely, though, save for maybe a full-health, max HP and max SpDef Blissey or through use of a slow switch move. It requires good prediction.
Goes to show how GF yet again created an absolutely broken and overcentralizing mechanic in tera lol. Xerneas has by no means broken in natdex ubers since gen 7 with the introduction of Defog regen Ho-oh, Necrozma Dm and the ever present pDon
Fun fact: Xerneas in x/y was almost banned from ubers before the existance of Anything goes, since without primal groudon or Necrozma dusk mane its really hard to stop
Necromzma wasn’t in Gen 6 lol
@@nathanbrown1293This is pre-ORAS btw.
@@nathanbrown1293 i know, but NDM is why it is balanced in gen 8
@@Gamexpertvids oh okay thanks for explaining
@@Bobopoes yeah NDM was part of the Trio that carried Gen 8 Ubers
I'd imagine all the lineup of Primal Groudon, Magearna and Dusk Mane getting swept by a Xerneas who just popped Tera Ground after a boost
bro doesn’t even run tera ground did you even play the tier
@@seamus5979 it did with hidden power ground
gl getting destroyed by ho-oh
I figured that Terastallization would've made Geomancy Deer too much, especially when Ground alone would be able to power through a majority of the better ways to check it.
Add in Water/Electric(/Rock if you're insane) to beat Ho-Oh which is the counter to Ground Tera and you find yourself in a terrible predicament of never knowing if your check actually checks it and needing to run both and be careful to preserve both as well
Ubers’ centralization and limited restrictions are a great case study against the idea of power creep being an exclusively downward push on Pokemon. Adding new Pokemon and mechanics can recenter a metagame and make something that wasn’t banworthy before into a bigger problem. Pokemon is so different across generations, tiers, formats, and time. Xerneas has been a controversial Uber from its release and although some generations introduce new counterplay, it’s also feasible that Xerneas has formats like NDUbers where the stars align better for it to become a banworthy force.
Ironic that the pokemon of life was banned for causing absolute death (ik this was from an fsg Vid)
Terrastilization is a completely fair and balanced mechanic
/s
My favorite fairy/electric/poison/ground/steel type just got banned 😔😔😔
Surprise. It’s Tera
I found out about the ban while teambuildig a HO team, and am not surprised in the slightest. It's always been crazy, tera being the thing to push it over the edge is destiny
ban zygarde complete
Got swept by a guy on natdex ubers a few days ago by their geomancy xerneas during suspect test. Had the balls to say 'ez' to me. I didn't say anything in response just thought it was funny that the mon they swept me with was gonna be banned within a few days anyway. I had no counterplay since I was using a lot of lower tiers like RU in my team.
I mean to be fair
It was easy
It's not like Xerneas takes skill to use
@@KR-wl5yd true lol
Stop using ru shitmons in ubers
@@Nutleaf420 Allows me to use an Ubers backbone like Flutter Mane on my team. I'm pretty comfortable with it
@@jamclone avg low ladder player
Tera... is ALWAYS Tera.
Who would’ve guessed that being able to change your type and giving you STAB bonus would be so busted?
@@danielsmith5032plus keeping your other stabs🥳
Non (triple)ubers guys should be able to dynamax in AG. That’d be interesting ash. Dynamax “shitmon” or terra broken guy.
And then shedinja would be ass. Bring a solg/DM, Tao trio guy, or spend the dmax for a rock move.
Just imagine Xerneas in gen 9 with tera blast, I personally believe game freak would know how absurd it would be so it's why they left it out of the game. Zygarde complete would've been similarly disgusting as a tera option especially with access to tera normal extreme speed, and Yveltal while not quite on par with those two would be a nuke with tera dark boosted knock offs and foul plays. Glad we don't have to deal with those pokemon this time around
I mean koraidon, miraidon, and calyrex shadow rider all exist all at the same time already so not allowing them to return is pretty arbitrary, hell I would've advocated for their return so I could see the absoute hell competitive pokemon would've been thrown into, allowing people to rethink their life choices and unite against the pokemon co. and nintendo to stop pushing slop at their doorsteps.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 you know what, yeah that would be pretty funny
Fairy type weaknesses when?!
I think this is why Gamefreak may never create a Fairy/Ground Pokemon unless it sucks horribly stats or ability-wise - it's a perfect offensive AND defensive combination - Fairy has excellent neutral coverage, and Ground covers both of Fairy's two weaknesses.
Imagine if Xerneas learned Earth Power instead of having to rely on Focus Blast...
True but then it would have grounds weaknesses.
@@sarahsturgill9262 Yes, but having two immunities in Dragon and Electric is still useful in multiplayer, and would be the best possible Miraidon check. Meanwhile, Flutter Mane already exists as the purest Koraidon check by not only being Ghost/Fairy, but by being potentially faster than him under sun (Koraidon only gets an Attack boost under the sun he sets up).
Imagine the chaos in both singles and doubles if it returned this generation. I want to see that happen along with the other terrain setters.
GD GF bring back the terrain
Tapu Koko would be useless since Miraidon exists.
@@JanusHoW IN OU OR UUBERS he wouldn't be. Hell in restrictive formats, he would dominate.
@@mandalorianhunter1 Yes, that's true. But in a VGC where the restricted mons are allowed...
@@JanusHoW yeah after and it still hasn't happened yet, which I'm wondering when it will be.
Also Tapu Koko will still be used in the case of Miraidon counters.
@@mandalorianhunter1 Except nothing can come in on Miraidon 100% safely, though, save for maybe a full-health, max HP and max SpDef Blissey or through use of a slow switch move. It requires good prediction.
Does it have a niche in Gen 4 Ubers though?
Yes, it is a counter to parasect of course
Goes to show how GF yet again created an absolutely broken and overcentralizing mechanic in tera lol. Xerneas has by no means broken in natdex ubers since gen 7 with the introduction of Defog regen Ho-oh, Necrozma Dm and the ever present pDon
Xerneas has been banned from Ubers before Gholdengo and Kingambit get banned from OU. This is insane folks.
I dont play the tier but Im not surprised lol
Say, where you from?
Xerneas should have been given earth power