FYI New Balance and NB reps have said a few times at events like TRE and online that this is 100% PEBA like the Elite, vs the Rebel/Sc Trainer/Balos being “PEBA blend” so unless that has changed suddenly I would assume it is full PEBA
Yeah, I was shocked when Kofuzi said “I don’t think it’s a full 100% PEBA”. There have been so many different sources confirming it’s 100% PEBA that it shouldn’t be an uncertainty at all by now.
Kofuzi likely gets the shoe quite early from NB before embargoes are lifted so he would’ve reviewed before a lot of sources confirmed it’s 100% PEBA. Regardless, it’s ultimately NB that’s causing the confusion by naming their foams Fuelcell or Freshfoam across all their shoes when the formulation differs in each one. The majority of running shoe customers won’t care to research the difference.
I don't think one has to be a pro to wear these for a marathon. For many years, amateurs used to wear racing flats with much lower stack height than these for marathons.
Yeah, high stack carbon shoes are fun for half marathons and marathons. But I ran a half marathon in a pair of Rebel v4 and they felt good the whole run.
Yes, but I remember how my feet felt after those. Even after running a PB in the Saucony Type A 6, I never wore them again for the marathon. There are plenty of options out there now where my feet don't hurt at all after 26 miles.
@@runnin3216 I can't remember what my feet felt like after running in racing flats back in 2006 (Asics Hyperspeeds). I'm sure there was some discomfort. But I can live with that. I don't expect my feet/legs to be completely comfortable after a marathon, nor do I ex.pect any shoes to be able to do that. By all means, wear what you want What I don't agree with is this idea that a pair of shoes can't/shouldn't be worn for a certain distance, that only certain shoes can be labeled "marathon shoes."
I see people running HM and even some full with less. I think this shoe is going to be perfect for someone who wants save money but have a good race day shoe. Tbh I think this will even step on some of the elite sales.
Perfect overview!!! I'm a lightweight, forefoot striker. If NB comes out with some other colorways before fall, I'll definitely run a marathon in this shoe. While I love a 40mm stack of foam, its really not needed to go 26.2 for sure.
This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. At 120lbs I sometimes feel like I can’t activate the foam in the higher stack marathon racers completely and might get along better with something like the SC Pacer 2. 🤷
I'm 125lbs and I never feel that. Not even in firmer shoes like the hyperion max 2. You just need to run faster so you can put more force into the ground.
I plan on using the Pacer v2 for my next half. I use Rebel v4 as a daily trainer and have taken it on a 16 mile run. I'll take the similar stack height plus the added plate.
Let me know how it goes, I’ve been training in the rebel now since they came out, love them. I basically just want the rebel with a plate for race day. I just can’t go back to a shoe without the wide box of the rebel
Great review and thanks for explaining the NB line-up! I have V1 and love it as a quick, low-profile shoe and as a nice comparison to the Rebel. Just wish V2 wasn't €200!
Whether you can use these as a marathon racer will probably depend on whether you have the spritely, low body weight of a professional racer like Emily. For speed day I already trade off between the TS9 and DNE1. Still. The SCEv3 is my all-time fave shoe, so I wouldn't mind adding this to my stable -- if I can get it for cheap.
I'm glad they more or less kept the upper how it was on the v1. You can feel the air pushing through it! Have you gotten to play with the new features from the latest Final Cut update? Some good stuff in there.
great overview.., I can see this being very segmented for ppl still kinda competing and those running at the HS, JuCo, and collegiate levels. Also track work, if you don’t want spikes, as Mike said. That and lighter runners such as Emily
Just ran 5k in them. Felt fast in them and managed to get same pace with less effort. It is snug for me with the same size as other NB shoes. But I guess if I am not running long with them it shud be okay for sizing.
I guess it all comes down to what your body has adapted to. Nowadays all shoes are so cushioned, I personally prefer minimal cushioned shoes, bear in mind I've raced half marathons in Saucony Fastwitch and I'm of slight build and also love the Asics Metaracer I've had to get my body used to the bigger shoes lol 😀
Laura Philipp won the IRONMAN world championship in these. Fsstest run split too. So if you're wondering if they'd work in long distances, I think they would.
Pros are amazing. And winning Ironman Championships is huge. But what works really well for them can sometimes be quite different than what works for non elites. So I’m not sure I can agree with your reasoning, necessarily. Sharon Lokedi won New York marathon in Velociti Elite 2. I still dont think it’s a great shoe for the marathon. Molly Seidel won a bronze Olympic medal in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 1. Again, most people couldn’t be convinced that it was good for marathons.
These look so much like an upgraded/tweaked NB PVLSE V1. I'm really enjoying those but no one talks about them 😅 For slow people like me, these would be placed below my Rebel V4s as the speed/short distance shoe 🙃 While these SC Pacer 2 and SC Elites are for fast people (that are not me) 😁
This seems to be New Balance's answer to Asics' Magic Speed 4. Would you do a comparison maybe in the future after you've had some more time with them?
I really want to get these. I love my rebel v4 and sc elite v4s but the drop at 8mm makes me nervous. I have issues with 7mm+ drop typically and have found 4-6mm is the sweet spot. Is the drop noticeably more significant compared to the rebel which I think is 6mm? Also what’s the room in the toe box like compared to the rebel and elite v4?
It is a beautiful colourway. Random question but: since turning pro Shoetuber has your running stride changed? Were you heel strike and now off the forefoot?
I guess you received enough positive feedback from the SB2 video that you've done the same thing for NB, breaking down their potentially confusing lineups. Mr. Fuzi knows ASICS and NB better than the companies themselves!
I've been doing the brand explainer for about six or seven reviews now. people seemed to enjoy it, especially as it replaces the shoe pairing suggestions section
I would disagree when it comes to you daily trainer - I think that's where the 1080 comes in! It's a tad firmer than the rebel and picking up the pace is actually easier and more enjoyable, as the rebel is too mushy for me.
As someone who already has a SC Elite v4, does it even make sense to get the pacer? I do run 10ks occasionally and was just going to use the elite v4 for 10k and longer races
Hey everyone... I've got a question about walking. Ive started my weightloss journey 2.5 months ago from 250 pounds now down to 220 at 5.11". I do strictly walking about 5to6 miles per day to spare my joints. For now i have been using the Adidas Adapt 5 with cloudfoam but the sole is starting to wear out quite substantially. I clocked in about 150miles per month. I am considering to get the Novablast 4 since i like the design and it seems to have a lot of cushioning. Any suggestions about alternatives for daily walking? Thanks in advance
@@dragonxx444 Here are a few options: • Hoka Bondi 8 • New Balance Fresh Foam More v4 or v5 • Asics Gel Nimbus 25 or 26 - the Novablast works, but the Nimbus has a little more cushioning.
@@kofuzi thanks! For someone with a slightly wide foot (regular Superblast is fine, but struggled with things like the Boston 12), think it’s worth getting the wide or is it decent as-is? Rebel worked fine in the standard D fit.
I always have a difficult time answering questions about whether a shoe will work for an overpronator, as I feel like there is a gigantic spectrum of what people envision when they are discussing overpronation. I'd only be willing to go so far as to say that, if the over pronator you are referring to is still able to run in most carbon plated racers, then I think this too would work. but if most carbon plated shoes don't work because the runner might need more medial heel support, then I think these will similarly not work.
I have both and for feel and ride I'd prefer the Pacer 2 but for turn-over and speed I'd prefer the Takumi Sen 10...The Takumi also feels much lighter and nimble than the Pacer 2...so It's really close!!
I can say that although I have never tried NB, it feels like the TS 10 really wants you to move in them like it "forces you" to move faster (keep up with the pace of the shoe) and get the best out of them-I just use them for training and 5k's plus but not 10k's. They are fast and light and nimble but I can't speak for the feel vs. NB.
as I explained in the video, the documentation I have from New Balance indicates "made with PEBA" The rationale for my uncertainty is that some models, such as the Rebel v4, are "made with a PEBA/EVA blend". And I think that it's too oblique to use a phrase such as "made with PEBA" instead of the more direct and equally succinct "made of PEBA" or "100% PEBA" or "pure PEBA" That being said, other contemporaneous documentation that I've received from New Balance consistently uses the phrase "made with PEBA" for shoes that I understand to be pure PEBA, such as the SC Pacer v2 and the SC Elite v4. and when a shoe does not have pure PEBA, New Balance uses the phrase "made with a PEBA/EVA blend" I hope this clarifies my position. If it doesn't, then you understand my hesitancy with what New Balance is putting out.
Your line up explainers are always the best!! Keep doing them pls!!
FYI New Balance and NB reps have said a few times at events like TRE and online that this is 100% PEBA like the Elite, vs the Rebel/Sc Trainer/Balos being “PEBA blend” so unless that has changed suddenly I would assume it is full PEBA
I agree with that, since it's supposedly a racer shoe, it must be full PEBA...
Yeah, I was shocked when Kofuzi said “I don’t think it’s a full 100% PEBA”. There have been so many different sources confirming it’s 100% PEBA that it shouldn’t be an uncertainty at all by now.
Kofuzi likely gets the shoe quite early from NB before embargoes are lifted so he would’ve reviewed before a lot of sources confirmed it’s 100% PEBA. Regardless, it’s ultimately NB that’s causing the confusion by naming their foams Fuelcell or Freshfoam across all their shoes when the formulation differs in each one. The majority of running shoe customers won’t care to research the difference.
That explanation of the NB lineup is great! I love it, so much easier to understand
I don't think one has to be a pro to wear these for a marathon. For many years, amateurs used to wear racing flats with much lower stack height than these for marathons.
Yeah, high stack carbon shoes are fun for half marathons and marathons. But I ran a half marathon in a pair of Rebel v4 and they felt good the whole run.
Yes, but I remember how my feet felt after those. Even after running a PB in the Saucony Type A 6, I never wore them again for the marathon. There are plenty of options out there now where my feet don't hurt at all after 26 miles.
Sure but you could get another pair of shoes nearing 40 mm instead for the same price….
@@runnin3216 I can't remember what my feet felt like after running in racing flats back in 2006 (Asics Hyperspeeds). I'm sure there was some discomfort. But I can live with that. I don't expect my feet/legs to be completely comfortable after a marathon, nor do I ex.pect any shoes to be able to do that. By all means, wear what you want What I don't agree with is this idea that a pair of shoes can't/shouldn't be worn for a certain distance, that only certain shoes can be labeled "marathon shoes."
@@RonnyC98but more weight
I see people running HM and even some full with less. I think this shoe is going to be perfect for someone who wants save money but have a good race day shoe. Tbh I think this will even step on some of the elite sales.
Perfect overview!!! I'm a lightweight, forefoot striker. If NB comes out with some other colorways before fall, I'll definitely run a marathon in this shoe. While I love a 40mm stack of foam, its really not needed to go 26.2 for sure.
This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. At 120lbs I sometimes feel like I can’t activate the foam in the higher stack marathon racers completely and might get along better with something like the SC Pacer 2. 🤷
Exactly what I am thinking for myself. I'm going to give this shoe a try and hope to run a fall marathon in it!
I'm 125lbs and I never feel that. Not even in firmer shoes like the hyperion max 2. You just need to run faster so you can put more force into the ground.
I hope we can see an updated New Balance line breakdown with all the new models, rebel v5, sc trainer v3… and how to pair them. Thanks!!
Excellent comparison. I prefer the nb rebel v4. Like to Kofuzi. Happy friday.
I plan on using the Pacer v2 for my next half. I use Rebel v4 as a daily trainer and have taken it on a 16 mile run. I'll take the similar stack height plus the added plate.
Let me know how it goes, I’ve been training in the rebel now since they came out, love them. I basically just want the rebel with a plate for race day. I just can’t go back to a shoe without the wide box of the rebel
Good summary of NB options🙋🏻♂️
Kof youre the GOAT man! Really appreciate the lineup break down at the end
FAKE ELITE RUNNER. that is.
Great review and thanks for explaining the NB line-up! I have V1 and love it as a quick, low-profile shoe and as a nice comparison to the Rebel. Just wish V2 wasn't €200!
Great review! I have really started to enjoy NB so appreciate the details. Waiting for the Balos review and comparisons to Superblast!
Love the review Mike!!!
Excellent review sir!!
Some Iowa love in the video. I think I saw an Iowa flag. Great review as always.
Whether you can use these as a marathon racer will probably depend on whether you have the spritely, low body weight of a professional racer like Emily. For speed day I already trade off between the TS9 and DNE1. Still. The SCEv3 is my all-time fave shoe, so I wouldn't mind adding this to my stable -- if I can get it for cheap.
Hope you can review the Alphafly 3 soon. It feels like a good improvement over Alphafly 1.
I'm glad they more or less kept the upper how it was on the v1. You can feel the air pushing through it!
Have you gotten to play with the new features from the latest Final Cut update? Some good stuff in there.
great overview.., I can see this being very segmented for ppl still kinda competing and those running at the HS, JuCo, and collegiate levels.
Also track work, if you don’t want spikes, as Mike said.
That and lighter runners such as Emily
I got the SC Pacer v1 for my middle school daughter to race the 800m and 1600m last year, and she loved them.
Great seeing you yesterday in SF
Just ran 5k in them. Felt fast in them and managed to get same pace with less effort. It is snug for me with the same size as other NB shoes. But I guess if I am not running long with them it shud be okay for sizing.
I guess it all comes down to what your body has adapted to. Nowadays all shoes are so cushioned, I personally prefer minimal cushioned shoes, bear in mind I've raced half marathons in Saucony Fastwitch and I'm of slight build and also love the Asics Metaracer
I've had to get my body used to the bigger shoes lol 😀
Saucony sinister is more minimal
@saturn7835 yep I have a pair 😀
Laura Philipp won the IRONMAN world championship in these. Fsstest run split too. So if you're wondering if they'd work in long distances, I think they would.
Pros are amazing. And winning Ironman Championships is huge. But what works really well for them can sometimes be quite different than what works for non elites. So I’m not sure I can agree with your reasoning, necessarily.
Sharon Lokedi won New York marathon in Velociti Elite 2. I still dont think it’s a great shoe for the marathon.
Molly Seidel won a bronze Olympic medal in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 1. Again, most people couldn’t be convinced that it was good for marathons.
@@kofuzi been setting PRs with mine. Sometimes what doesn't work for most people might work very well for you. Two races now, 10k and half-mary.
Any thoughts on how they compare to the Saucony Sinister?
such a beauty
that's a great looking shoe, like damn.
Thank you Mike.
These look so much like an upgraded/tweaked NB PVLSE V1. I'm really enjoying those but no one talks about them 😅 For slow people like me, these would be placed below my Rebel V4s as the speed/short distance shoe 🙃 While these SC Pacer 2 and SC Elites are for fast people (that are not me) 😁
This seems to be New Balance's answer to Asics' Magic Speed 4. Would you do a comparison maybe in the future after you've had some more time with them?
I find it strange that the sc elite v4 is the only shoe that comes in 2e width which isn’t part of their fresh foam lineup
I really want to get these. I love my rebel v4 and sc elite v4s but the drop at 8mm makes me nervous. I have issues with 7mm+ drop typically and have found 4-6mm is the sweet spot. Is the drop noticeably more significant compared to the rebel which I think is 6mm? Also what’s the room in the toe box like compared to the rebel and elite v4?
I guess thats the look the fuelcell is going. Cant wait for the more v5 and the trainer v3.
Thank you so much Mike! I really appreciate the detail explanation about this shoe.
Would the magic speed be one of the comp shoes, or no longer since they added so much to the stack?
i heard balos was supposed to superblasts competitor but doesnt sound like thats the case
It is a beautiful colourway. Random question but: since turning pro Shoetuber has your running stride changed? Were you heel strike and now off the forefoot?
I guess you received enough positive feedback from the SB2 video that you've done the same thing for NB, breaking down their potentially confusing lineups. Mr. Fuzi knows ASICS and NB better than the companies themselves!
I've been doing the brand explainer for about six or seven reviews now. people seemed to enjoy it, especially as it replaces the shoe pairing suggestions section
Hello...I am the beginner..so which shoe will be best for me...and its have to be most comfortable and does not hurt the feet
How is the plate placement? Was the increase forefoot stack more above the plate or below?
Sounds like the plate is lower in the forefoot like the Vaporfly or Edge Paris
Any chance you will be reviewing the brooks Hyperion max 2
Where does the propel v5 fits in the fuelcell family
I'd be injured in these light weight shoes. I definitely need stability elements
One question please! Is the pacer's midsole as soft as the other models you showed, or is it at least a little firmer?
I would disagree when it comes to you daily trainer - I think that's where the 1080 comes in! It's a tad firmer than the rebel and picking up the pace is actually easier and more enjoyable, as the rebel is too mushy for me.
I could see that working for a good number of people
As someone who already has a SC Elite v4, does it even make sense to get the pacer? I do run 10ks occasionally and was just going to use the elite v4 for 10k and longer races
How many miles/kms do you think this shoe will last?
Hey everyone... I've got a question about walking. Ive started my weightloss journey 2.5 months ago from 250 pounds now down to 220 at 5.11". I do strictly walking about 5to6 miles per day to spare my joints. For now i have been using the Adidas Adapt 5 with cloudfoam but the sole is starting to wear out quite substantially. I clocked in about 150miles per month.
I am considering to get the Novablast 4 since i like the design and it seems to have a lot of cushioning. Any suggestions about alternatives for daily walking?
Thanks in advance
@@dragonxx444 Here are a few options:
• Hoka Bondi 8
• New Balance Fresh Foam More v4 or v5
• Asics Gel Nimbus 25 or 26 - the Novablast works, but the Nimbus has a little more cushioning.
@@Nuera77i agree, the nimbus will do the trick. Its a pillow like feeling.
New balance 1080 v13
Been waiting for this review hoping it can be a track interval shoe for me.
I think it would be quite fun for that
@@kofuzi thanks! For someone with a slightly wide foot (regular Superblast is fine, but struggled with things like the Boston 12), think it’s worth getting the wide or is it decent as-is? Rebel worked fine in the standard D fit.
Kofuzi what kind of socks do you usually run in?
Yo, what’s going on!!! not like us?? Is this a diss 🤔🤔😆😆😆🤣😂
Laura phillips wore this shoe in Ironman WC this year and won
that is a fun fact
I’d be shocked if Emily’s actual “prototype” isn’t full PEBA
I think the rules are a bit more strict for Olympics. I'm not sure that would be possible, but even if it were, I'm not sure that's what she'd prefer.
Everything I've seen on this shoe shows 100% PEBA midsole.
What’s happening with the NB Pvlse?
How this one supposedly has a higher stack height than the rebel 4 is beyond me 😂
Would the Pacer 2 work for over pronators?
I always have a difficult time answering questions about whether a shoe will work for an overpronator, as I feel like there is a gigantic spectrum of what people envision when they are discussing overpronation.
I'd only be willing to go so far as to say that, if the over pronator you are referring to is still able to run in most carbon plated racers, then I think this too would work. but if most carbon plated shoes don't work because the runner might need more medial heel support, then I think these will similarly not work.
@@kofuzi Thanks Mike, I might get myself a pair. Love from Manila Philippines 🇵🇭
감사합니다. 잘보겠습니다
What’s the bounciest running shoe out?
Mizuno Neo Vista?
Takumi sen'isj?
kinda sounds like it
$60 More than the REBEL,
NB? What's up with that!?!?
NB, How do you go from 150 for the V1 to 200 for the V2?
At least you could have priced it competitively to the TakumiSen10 at 180.
Takumi 10 vs. Sc Pacer 2?
Never tried NB but love my TS10's.
I have both and for feel and ride I'd prefer the Pacer 2 but for turn-over and speed I'd prefer the Takumi Sen 10...The Takumi also feels much lighter and nimble than the Pacer 2...so It's really close!!
@@TheBsheep which ones more fun and comfortable?
@@io-rj6sk To me it's the Pacer 2!
I can say that although I have never tried NB, it feels like the TS 10 really wants you to move in them like it "forces you" to move faster (keep up with the pace of the shoe) and get the best out of them-I just use them for training and 5k's plus but not 10k's. They are fast and light and nimble but I can't speak for the feel vs. NB.
If the drop was less I’d have considered
Am I the only one who has a problem with the sound. I cannot hear nothing
Me too!
@@UserIchi glad the sound finally came back 😅
you all got here too early from the notification bell, I think
Is it comparable with UA velociti elite 2?
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@@kofuzicleary hear u now😊
They definitely “ not like us’ wop wop wop
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Correct the specs. They have 100% peba. Do your research man.
as I explained in the video, the documentation I have from New Balance indicates "made with PEBA"
The rationale for my uncertainty is that some models, such as the Rebel v4, are "made with a PEBA/EVA blend". And I think that it's too oblique to use a phrase such as "made with PEBA" instead of the more direct and equally succinct "made of PEBA" or "100% PEBA" or "pure PEBA"
That being said, other contemporaneous documentation that I've received from New Balance consistently uses the phrase "made with PEBA" for shoes that I understand to be pure PEBA, such as the SC Pacer v2 and the SC Elite v4. and when a shoe does not have pure PEBA, New Balance uses the phrase "made with a PEBA/EVA blend"
I hope this clarifies my position. If it doesn't, then you understand my hesitancy with what New Balance is putting out.