The Poetic Edda vs Prose Edda- Norse Mythology
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2021
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Prose Edda(my online shop for low prices)
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Poetic Edda(Maria Kvilhaugs translations...Not the full poetic Edda but the most important poems)
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The Poetic Edda is the modern name for an untitled collection of Old Norse anonymous poems, which is distinct from the Prose Edda written by Snorri Sturluson. Several versions exist, all primarily of text from the Icelandic medieval manuscript known as the Codex Regius, which contains 31 poems.
The Prose Edda, also known as the Younger Edda, Snorri's Edda or, historically, simply as Edda, is an Old Norse textbook written in Iceland during the early 13th century. The work is often assumed to have been to some extent written, or at least compiled, by the Icelandic scholar, lawspeaker, and historian Snorri Sturluson c. 1220. It is considered the fullest and most detailed source for modern knowledge of Norse mythology, the body of myths of the North Germanic peoples, and draws from a wide variety of sources, including versions of poems that survive into today in a collection known as the Poetic Edda.
Links to my favorite translations in the video description!
regarding sources for celtic mythology i think that there are indeed some at least, for example the book of taliesin, the mabinogion, early irish myths and legends, the tain, cathe magh turied and lebor geballa erenn, at least for both irish and welsh celtic paganism
Any Celtic Mythology UA-camrs that you've found? I really like how the videos here are straight to the point and not overproduced. I watch Fortress of Lugh(meh) and Lora O'Brien(Light on Mythology). Just wondering if I'm missing anyone that might be more thorough.
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@@scotttinney6523 have you found any other good ones in the last 4 months?
So did you come up with an answer?
@@scotttinney6523 not yet on Utube but Sharon Paice MacLeod does very good classes for the public and translates ancient Gaelic for such as Harvard
This right here is why I'm glad I was an atheist for 5 years in between abandoning Christianity and returning to our ancestral religion. I had time to detox from Christian literalism and dogmatism, embrace science, explore different ideas, understand nuance and symbolism. So many online pagans are practicing Abrahamic-style paganism.
I think Snorre wrote as he did, to be allowed to write it at all! He had church ppl breathing down his neck, and likely wanted to keep said neck intact.
Good video. Thank you (and for the links). I like that you don't always say the popular thing, that you'll say things some people won't want to hear but are good ideas or thoughts to take on board.
I would love to see you someday do a recommended reading list for information on Continental Germanic paganism. I understand it would have been very similar to Norse paganism and perhaps just with different names like Wotan or Donar but I wouldn't mind doing a deep dive if the information was out there.
Check out Robert Sass's Saxon Heathenry FB private group, his Germanic Heathenry public FB page, his Aldsidu website, his youtube channel, and his books on Amazon. Also Scott Shell has a channel on youtube and a book coming out. Both are Germanic Heathens who strive for historical accuracy. Scott Shell was a student under the "now famous" Jackson Crawford in college. If you need links to any of these, I can help you. Just ask.
There are few sources but definitely some very important ones. Good idea for a video
thank you for this video, i was searching for an answer to one question in particular, but you have answered many more. i appreciate it.
You couldn't have said better! Very validating. Thank you
Great video, brilliant !
Love your videos man 👍
Thanks a lot for making this video
This is some of your best work. Animism is what all cultures saw at one time.
Great 'Tips'...Perfect, Thanks!
I have been looking for the books by Maria Kvilhaugs!!! Thank you for the links, even now available on Kindle!!!!
Been watching all your videos your very informative
DANKE FÜR ALL DEINE HOCH ZU SCHÄTZENDE ARBEIT, MEIN HEIDNISCHER KUMPEL!!!..THANKS, YOUR WORK IS HIGHLY APPRECIATED, MY FELLOW HEATHEN!!!!
I appreciate your research on these things however many of our books have been lost or our families keep them hidden and locked down..you do keep it real so thank you.
The only Edda I have a copy of is a translation of the Poetic Edda by Jackson Crawford. It's a pretty good read.
You can easily find a translation by Edward Pettit, “The Poetic Edda, A dual language edition” it’s more difficult, but a more concise translation, with lots of annotations to explain possible deeper meanings. You can put the translation by Crawford next to the one by Pettit to get a deeper understanding of possible meanings.
So interesting to note the similarities between the composition of the Edda and the Iranian epic the Shahnameh. Both were written by poets living on the geographical fringes of their respective cultures, both were written under the pressure of invasive Abrahamic religions to preserve heroic Indo-European epic cycles which would have died out otherwise. Maybe the comparison isn’t perfect but there are interesting parallels. Thanks for an excellent talk! Started reading the prose Edda.
As someone who is finally getting into the source material after reading some intro to norse paganism/heathenry/Asatru books and some "story books for kids" as you always say I was surprised to say I knew a majority of the information you presented because of your other videos and my own research and learning on my path. But like always you pur things more eloquently and directly with a wealth of information.
I have Jackson Crawford translation of The Poetic Edda and Jesse Byock translation of the Prose Edda. I just picked up Maria Kvilhaug Books which I was ecstatic were back in print. Tackling all those before opening up her beast of a book The Seed of Yggdrasil
You look like a true Wikinga my friend! Interesting video!
I still believe that there pegan practices in our daily lives. Especially in Northern Europe.
Good video. 👍🏻
Aww yes. This is what I'm talking about. Especially the Poetic. That's where Volsung are to. Thanks big bro for this one.
Wow, loved this! Both are such great books. I've read them all except the Faroe and Orkney sagas. Any suggestions for good translations to either?
Yesss. in the links in the description are my favorites
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 I don't see any links to the Faroe and Orkney sagas in your description. Maybe you forgot to add them?
thank you these begginner vids are great.... better than being slammed in a public forum....
They probably tore pages out to wipe their arses with
Greetings from Argentina! Happy to know about my old ancestors 😁
A detailed video on the Norse legend of the "life of" Hróar Tungugoði , Please .
You have the right of it
Belief is key
The algorithm is really screwing me over.. and you as well.. I’ve been missing you for a month..
Haha I have been noticing.
I was behind on watching.. I got caught up now though.. I found out why.. I and many others are behind you.👍 keep up the great content.
Why did they write them as “Poems” instead of an actual novel or novella? I'm trying to put myself into their shoes as you suggest but I can't get passed the first question I ask myself which is what form of media should I write these stories down as? Why choose a poem form of media over a much better structure such as a novel?
Officially adopting Christianity made Iceland a proper nation state in the year 1000, and the national character of Iceland has been defined by Christianity ever since. Christianity gave the kings of Norway and Denmark a real mandate. Christianity is so incredibly important to our history, to the point that we have no continuity anymore with paganism at all.
Very good introduction! Do you know Rolf Stavnems translation? Was on sale on the Copenhagen bookfair last week... : )
Is there a new version of Maria kvilung’s books? Seed of Yggdrasil? Or does Amazon finally have a paperback version available? Is it her Edda book and trickster books combined?
Yes. The edda book and trickster ones I was speaking about
Love Germanic mythology.
What are your thoughts on The Norrœna Society and Viktor Rydberg’s work and research? Perhaps a video idea?
Its awesome. Yea maybe a good idea for a video
Myth and legend,are based on real events and facts that one experienced and was passed down by way of oral tradition and to explain the unexplained and the unknown
From “The Galdrabók, an Icelandic Book of Magic” by Stephen E. Flowers Ph.D, “...the northern sorcerer was so free magically that he could use the names of Odin, the Savior and Satan in the same litany.” (pg. 28)
Icelandic magicians evoked Judeo-Christian (angels, demons) and certain Mediterranean pagan entities to enhance their own power and understanding of the unseen realms. Some of these new additions to the old ways were even said to have taken up residence in Asgard. (pg. 27) This is reminiscent of what must have occurred at much earlier times in the history of the Germanic people, with Vanir taking up residence in Asgard, and Jotun and Asgardian and Vanir intermarrying (Thor and Loki both the offspring of these mixed unions) Religionists in general shouldn’t mix and mingle beliefs, but for a Germanic magician, any new knowledge or expanded awareness should always be a welcome augmentation of personal and tribal power.
When a video about the Nisse or Tomte? :)
Have you talked about Bragi? Is the poetic warrior mentioned in the Edda?
Not yet. But will for sure!
That's true
Finally, an Arabic translation 🤞🏻🥰
Why? What do arabs have to do with any of this?
A long time ago I was watching Supernatural and it was this time of the year according to the show the brothers dealt with two sinister pagans deities and I'm going okay I'm sure there were some dark ones that dined like they did ut also it was a show
I'm going to be getting those 2 books from your website. Would you suggest a person who is starting to learn about Paganism start with learning about Animism?
Animism. There are lots of places online. My favorite author is Graham Harvey though :)
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 Ok, I'll check it out!
you should write a translation of the poetic edda
I would love to read his translation.
I will. My Norse is not good enough to do a translation yet though. Maybe in a few years
I believe the Poetic Edda says that when speaking about the Poetic Edda in the future that you should not wear a shirt.
Freya goddes of ❤️❤️❤️
Have you got some book recommendations for kids - we are homeschooling with a focus on viking and Norse mythology this year.
We have a heap - but always looking for other people's suggestions.
I have a book called *Norse mythology for kids* by Mathias Nordvig it's pretty good in my opinion
@@Boudicaisback oh thank you, we don't have that one.
@@tuathadesidhe1530 Feel free to ignore this, as its none of my business how you raise your kids
I read the normal versions to my kids, and my nieces. Theres nothing in them that is so bad for kids to hear, and kids love a bit of grizzly stuff now and then (Loki being tied with his son's entrails), any sexual references you can just moderate to "laid with" or something
I guess it depends on the age of your kids, maybe leave some stories for when theyre older, i didnt and they didnt grow up to be psychopaths or murderers (yet), and they had heard pretty much all of them by the time they were.. idk 8 maybe.
They found some a bit boring, but the ones they often requested are the ones you might think should be sanitized or re-worded, these are the ones they loved the most, and left me with the fondest memmories of them squeeling in enjoyment at such things. Good times
I should also add for me, this wasnt home schooling, this was Father (or Uncle) and kids story time, fun times when they were young enough to sit and listen
@@isty4491 thanks yes being Far North Queenslanders my kids love and are used to "colorful language" my older 4 are all well-versed and not school-age - so it's just down to my 9 year old son now - but he still likes beautiful big pictures to get lost in when I'm reading to him, I have quite a few that will be for when we revisit this in the future and he isn't needing pictures, and some that I spent ages colouring in the black and white pictures with watercolour pencils.
His watched all the main vikings movies and series - as soon as there's a hint of kissing he covers his eyes and says "uuhh, gross tell me when it's over!"
Have not read that one but I really like Mathias Nordvig. I would reccomend it too :)
“Throice I smoites with Holy Crok,
with the mell (hammer) Oi throice dew knock,
One for God
An’ one for Wod,
An’ one for Lok.”
Magical incantation from Lancashire dialect in 19th century England
The old gods survived well into the Christian Era (for magicians at least). As they do to this day. Thanks for your efforts to revive the spiritual-socio-psychological understanding passed down from our Germanic ancestors to better discipline ourselves, Yggdrasil, and the other entities in it.
The tribe of Heimdall is comprised of Jarl's and Carl's and Thralls though the very rare Norman and Northman tribe of Thor is comprised of Bears from Thor called Bjorn and peasants.
Poetic Edda and only Poetic Edda, end of story
Does anyone know a crafter in USA that makes moljnir? Trying to avoid mass production junk I keep finding online.
Compared to spending a few hundred dollars on a fancy one, just create your own.
It is a lot of fun just to hammer flat a $10 cast iron frying pan, then hack saw it to pieces into any number of items & charms.
I think as pagans we should be finding the spirits now again instead of just looking backwards. We have a ruin of sources with some parts beautiful architecture and others dust or gone completely. Go meditate and find the spirits and embark on a life long adventure.
Not to mention it's entirely possible/probable that the gods and spirits have evolved with the times just like we have. Expecting some of the most pragmatic entities to ever exist to remain stagnant forever like an Abrahamic deity just makes no sense.
@@filthycasual8187 sure so lets find new spirits without only looking back
Hail Tyr on this Tyrsday
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Good stuff. Thank you. Sounds like Politics...........
I don't really see Vikings doing unintelligent things like sacrificing their most loved followers as that would cause insecurity from poor territorial defense due to there being fewer defenders which is highly unintelligent.
Norse magic and beliefs how do I practice this religion or spirituality whatever else you would like to categorize this as and where are the spiritual leaders especially in Canada in Ontario and this could all be a good video idea as well
Would be great if you could/would write a book on how to practice Norse paganism/heathenry, in today's modern Times, in your own words and understandings of it.
Or could you recommend any good books, not just/or asatru
Every faith or philosophy has it's fundamentalists.
Certainly if we look at Zarathustrianism and hinduism these are beautiful religions with very well developed philosophy and advanced though behind them. There is no reason not to believe that the same was not true for the old norse religion(s)
hey brothah !!! why you don,t write a book about the viking culture and costums, that will be great , cheers !!
In "The Seed of Yggdrasil" Maria Kvilhaugh stated Snorri wrote the Prose Edda in such a way to keep the church from destroying his writing. Thus, he wrote it in such a way to have the church's approval. She said He wrote the Prose Edda to preserve his ancestors beliefs and constructed the myths in such a way to make the gods appear human as opposed to Gods. I'm not saying you're wrong and she's right, just interesting to see the difference of opinion.
SKÅL💀🍻 Thanks for the knowledge. Hail the Allfather
Regarding a cleric's interpretation of their own mythology- ie Christianizing it- they compared their stories to the Bible's and since the Bible spent a great deal of effort tracing lineages through a male line, it's reasonable to imagine it rubbed off on both Pagan historians as well as Christian converts writing about Pagan ancestors. We don't want to make our own ancestors out to be totally lost. Themes (of Christianity, or its Bible) could have been included because they loved their ancestors and wanted to show how attuned they too were, to what the Christianized descendants now believed in. They likely thought it gave the ancestors- or Christianizing the stories, made them more in tune with the new jealous God
I would love to talk to people or someone on Ragnorok. Because I KEEP getting visions of a frost giant rising from the sea. I keep getting messages intuitively and I just can't control them anymore. Please email me or some shit because it's getting to me now. There's alot going on in this world right now.
I wonder how much stuff was actually destroyed. Lol
FRITT NORGE ! (big up to all who will know the meme ;=)
I returned home to Paganism 30 yrs or so ago. I have read many different translations of both books and I can honestly say that as of today I no longer bother with Snorri's Edda and when I do read the Poetic Edda I use Jackson Crawford's. Not saying the guy comes from a Pagan perspective, because he doesn't. But he does come from an unbiased scholarly perspective and allows the reader to make up their own mind. He just gives as accurate as possible of a translation. But that is what I do. Every one of us must do what is right for ourselves. The religion as a whole was mostly a personal effort back when it was an unbroken living tradition. How I may talk to Thor in Sweden may not be how you may talk to him in Iceland, and so on. Even house to house it could vary widely. Though there was of course "communal" traditions and practices, such as holdays, sacrifices, etc. We do know this for sure. I always tells people to not take things so literally. That was how our ancient ancestors saw a world they hadn't as yet viewed under a microscope or ran tests on, lol. But we are lucky to have our stories, myths and sagas. They are rich and full of beauty, tragedy and wonder. One thing I will say I personally believe and that is that there is life in EVERYTHING. And I think our ancestors knew that better than we today do.
have you never experienced the supernatural? have the ravens never come to visit you? is judaic science your religion/a god to you?
hmmm...hope you get to experience and become a true believer, one who knows.
thanks for your videos.
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... "a true believer"... Of what
Wat...? His entire channel is about him being a Norse pagan, where did you get "judaic science" out of any of this?
I think what he is trying to say is that our very notion of the scientific method, though influenced from the more empirical testing criteria of ancient philosophy and logic, is still heavily tainted by judeo Christian values. Being that much of the early scientific revolution was brought forth by Christians and for Christians, our scientific method is often restrictive when dealing with what might be better explanations for the paranormal. Just a thought.
The Irish Book of Invasions, The yellow, book of Lecan, the Book of Balymote, the Cattle Raid of Cooley, etc, etc. Are all Irish Sources. And I do share your view on Scholars considering the Havamal and Eddas as a secondary source. And remember Galileo was also threatened with excomunication by the Catholic Church. The Lutheran Church isn't much better they just let their flock read the Bible and in Appalachia in the U.S. Protestant Churches tried to stamp out folk practices the Church didn't approve of. As far as Myths go, The Author Joseph Campell points out that there are lessons in Myths and folktales as well as life lessons to help people have a good life. As practicing mythologist that is true in every culture that has Myths. I've read Celtic Myths, Nordic Myths, Germanic Myths, Oriental Myths and myths from every culture and part of the world I could get my hands on. My father, Thomas MacAlister the 9th had a degree from the University of Edinburgh in Celtic Studies as well ad a Phd in Molecular Physics, a discipline that later was called Atomic Physics etc. His father worked on the Manhattan project with Einstein and like Einstien left when it became known the U.S. was going to make a bomb. My Paternal Grandfather would tell my Grandfather the Stories of Cuchullain and Others. The Scandinavians do have reliable written Sources from an Oral Tradition, but they are not the only Culture that has those things. So with respect, such arrogance does not behove someone who is named aftet Thor. Consider your honor, consider the Havamal and the words " Speak helpfull words or be Silent ". Please do not become like the Christians who think only their ways are valid. Please remember that even today there are Christians who believe their Holy Bible is the only valid source of truth. And this despite the fact that their Holy Book was edited from the beggining by the Early Catholic Church, and Historical proof that it has been edited by men since then at least 3 times. The Value of Nordic Sources is that they haven't been edited by people near as much. Snorri wrote down what he observed. Others may have edited it afterwards, but not to the point where so many parts were took out that there's little of Value left in them. And while the written Sources that the Nordic/Scandinavian People have are a Value written Source of pre-modern Nordic Beliefs, other Cultures have written sources too. Dr Credo Mutwa, a Sangoma, of the Zulu People wrote a book that prior to it's publishing was information that was handed down Oraly. This was done in recent times. And one of my former friends knew Dr Credo Mutwa personaly and spent some time with Dr Credo Mutwa's son. Please recieve these words humbly and consider them wisely. If you don't then you have already become like the Christians. I care about you as a person, and I don't wan't you to become arrogant and ego filled like the Christians. Little and cute is good, big and Handsome is good, but big and Ugly is not good and arrogance is Ugly. Remember, you are still an outsider to the Celtic Culture, I am not. In Social Anthropology you learn that you cannot understand the Culture you are observing from an Outsiders perspective, you have to immerse yourself in that Culture and live it as someone who was born into it. And my concern is that you will be like those Academians that are Outsiders to a culture and form Ideas about it based on their own Social and Cultural Biases and then insist they know the truth about that culture. By the way, The Christians did the same thing to an culture that wasn't Christian and we both know how that turned out, now don't we. And even today some of them are still doing that and are still a pain in the ass because of it. If you would be like the Christians and not practice their Christs teachings by not practicing Odin's Wisdom, you are free to do so. But I will not be joining you in Such Foolishness.
The other thing is that Snorri was trying to give a single unified view of Norse paganism. But I don't think it is likely that Norse paganism was a single unified 'theology' or anything. It seems likely to me that different people in different places and times probably had different beliefs that would have had a lot in common, but probably had a lot of different minor (or even major!) variations there.
The level of disrespect....The old Norse did believe or at least believed in the possible physical manifestation of the Gods, they believed you could pray to and ask the Gods to intervene in daily life (Loka Táttur) They had a priesthood for Freya and the goldsmiths did at one point in time at least, create Thors hammers and christian crosses at the same time, and that would probably mean that people back then didn't view worship in the old Gods as much different from belief in the christian God. (smiths casting mold found at Trendgården, Jutland, Denmark) If the old Norse believed the way you do, then I imagine christening them would have been much harder to do.
Really weird that you posted this video: I literally just purchased the version of the Prose Edda that you showed. But I dont get the feeling that Snorri Sturluson is mocking norse mythology/paganism, it seems more like he is defending the way his ancestors thought. Thats why he talks about how Odin came from greece, almost like he is saying "see, we are civilized thinkers too".
You will see. Once you get to the next chapters
Interesting, Well Charles the great I'm not even going to write out his name here even with Grammarly installed had five wives and the pope wasn't happy I know he was, I'm female go figure Bahaha
The good Christians tried to stomp out the whole Native Americans religions, beliefs and their speech also! But they figured out very soon. If they wrote anything down and the Christians found out they would destroy it so all of theirs were continuously passed on through songs and verbal storytelling.
If they consider that a secondary source simply because of when it was written, then you could say the same about the christian's bible....lol.
I am norwegian and respectfully disagree and am a big fan of this guys content, in Christianity they had gnostic, I think the same applies for some of the norse religion the question is how much? I think many of it has metaphors and deeper meanings or allegory not meant to be understood by most people, just as the norse realms or tree of life are similar to the kabbalah tree of life. I also think we adopted Christianity in the sense we see Jesus or they did as a deity, one of many like the other aseiran gods so Christianity was accepted but grew and grew. I'm not saying whats right or wrong but I think he should re look into this, natural selection is a theory after all, I dont think its fair to say they are idiots for believing it there could be a deeper meaning like the serpent in the garden of eden represents knowledge at what cost? The kundalini is a serpent also, jormundandr is a serpent , what is this a metaphor or pure fiction? Hmm
Entire populations don't just change religion over night
How did you come to the conclusion that the european pagans did not belive that their gods and their myths were being and events that had actuially happend?
What is it with paganism what makes it less likely to have this kind of understanding of its own religius worldview in comparison to the Abrahamic worldview?
Because they defy almost every law of physics and nature. I think our ancestors could figure that out too.
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Why would you be using a materialist understanding of the cosmos and the divine beings within it to argue that they were not capable or in any way could change the very aspects of reality that they were said to take power from or have some kind of power over?
To me this sounds like an atheist wanting to be religious yet he cant bring himself to put his secular materialist worldview bellow the spiritual. were it actually belongs.
@@MadRobexe Did you even watch the video? Its called animism. Not atheism. And I have said that dozens of times now. Animism actually makes sense and has some scientific validity. Unlike reading myths as real events.
The book "the Seed of Yggrasil" really impressed me with the translations of the names of various figures within some of the stories and myths. It reveals just how much is metaphorical and about archetypes. There is certainly a spiritual element as expressed through the animistic worldview, and without embracing animism, no amount of scholarly research will suffice in complete understanding. I hope this helps.
I have no conflict with any religions ..because I'm Muslim..and we know in the knowledge that there are many worlds and dimensions...and The last prophet p b u h....is representative of all of them..p b u h
It's honestly really sad that much of what we know about Norse Mythology is mostly modified by medieval Christian influence. This means that we may never really know what Germanic religion truly was in its original state before the Pagans were converted. That honestly sucks for us modern people. >:(
Obviously influenced by Christianity ( both "books" )
fiery LOKI will fight
DR JEKYLL’s rude dogs’ pervert barks
old ages’ dual, sick minds
ÓðINN (王金 ōkin) is luminous mind
unworthy altars in good churches?
susanoo (建速須佐之男命) crafts deadly toys
PAN’s diplomatic aikimyō
(愛氣明 🧚🏻 love ᛝ lights 🧚🏻 Eureka! Cerimônias)
warfare aikidō is ōja jutsu
(王蛇術 🧚🏻 royal snake arts 🧚🏻 Jiboa Jutsu)
heroic yuraikō’s great songs
(瑜雷公道 🧚🏻 Eureka! Path 🧚🏻 Eureka! Caminho)
🎼🎼🎼 JAR
As an atheist and former Christian myself, I think that a Christian who would leave Christianity and explore Paganism is going in with a sliver of misguided mindset. What they should do first is observe from the outside, assemble an understanding of the basic lessons to be learned and applied in life, boil down the symbolism, and then proceed.
One will find that the healthy fundamentals of Christian and Pagan teaching are relatively one in the same: To ground oneself in nature; To be thankful and respect the world we live in; To find and rise above one's own hubris. To meditate. After breaking down into the fundamentals and wisdoms of the teachings of these two religions, they'll find which truly calls them to either.
Perhaps all the Christian needed to do was spend time away from the church, or evaluate what they lack in life which causes them such turmoil. Maybe they will then remain Christian, and simply have changed their mindset. Maybe they will ultimately choose Paganism, and seek out its teachings instead.
Ultimately, entering into Paganism and evaluating it under the light of their previous Christan teachings is a sign that there is something they lack spiritually, and must evaluate and isolate it before proceeding.
Do you have a video explaining why you think people didn't believe these things literally apart from just waving them away as cringe? A 5 year old can take apart any modern religion, doesn't stop intelligent people from believing they're literally true. Sounds like you're just fetishizing your ancestors rather than treating them with respect.
You talk a lot in absolutes and you know only who does that... Kidding, but still, you are putting some of your viewpoints as facts. To be specific, you often refer to the gods, events etc. as cosmic energies or symbolic representations of those, where I almost always see it is psychological phenomenas (sorry for probably misstyping that).
I think in the end, we look at it as the same things, I just look more "inward" and you look more "outward", both is fine, just don't make it the only truth
Why can’t it be both
I see it as both of those. Have done lots of videos about that