I read so many negative comments on these guys but mine is the following... Im still learning but I know I'M NOT pre-trib. Teir tesching on satan being bound, now makes perfect sense to me from scriptures. Man, you pre-tribs here calling this heresy should repent yourselves !! This is one view, they still lift up Christ & the gospel! You pre-trib people need to get over yourselves & look at all scriptures & consider WITHOUT your preconceived bias before you read your bibles! I really love these guys! Keep it up. Great things to consider
Can you really take a look at our world and say Satan is bound, plus let me just throw this in there. How about the fact that animals won't kill each other in the millennium? Has that happened yet. No end of debate
Frankj, I’m post trib, but I see a contradiction here in their aMillennial view. Revelation 20:2 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, “This happened at the beginning of the church age. It means Satan is limited on what he can do.” Revelation 12:7-10 (KJV) 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. “Yes this is also showing the church age because yes Satan is no longer in heaven and he’s been persecuting the church through the church age.” Do you see it? That doesn’t work.
Its obvious that God has not revealed this to most of the people in the comments. But He sure did reveal it to me, once i was sincere and sincerely wanting to know about this specifically and was willing to throw away teachings of men that i had been indoctrinated by. Ask and seek, but you have to be willing to let God show you Truth. The world is filled with lies.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 (KJV) Anyone reading this, if you haven't repented yet, please REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. Call upon JESUS, and He will SAVE you: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 (KJV) Lord Jesus✝️have mercy on you🙏 I LOVE YOU JESUS✝️
Evidently, you never studied that verse in Greek it’s the most abused verse in the entire Bible. It’s a predestination verse. God only so loved so tells you exactly how God loved his cosmos and whoever is not in the original text.
@19:58 it is stated that the second believers die, they are raised and go to heaven. I have often wondered if the first resurrection does take place at death or at a later time.
I think I’m hearing the primary argument against historical premillennialism is that we don’t know all the details of what happens during the millennium - i.e. we don’t have insight into how the millennium is populated, so the millennium must not exist. It seems far more plausible to just acknowledge the text for what it says, and humbly say we don’t know the details. Also, the end of Rev 19 says only TWO were thrown into the lake of fire. The end of Rev 20 says Satan and ALL of hell are thrown into the lake of fire. The text says these are two very different events…and no, pretrib rapture is not found anywhere in the Bible.
How could there be a reign of God after there is no more time when he returns. If you’ve actually read your Bible, he explains this perfectly when they asked Christ about his kingdom And it does not come with observation the kingdom of God is inside of you
@ 11:01 it is stated that the Bible teaches only one resurrection. But in Revelation 20, there is mention of TWO resurrections, one of believers the first resurrection, (Revelation 20:2-5) and the second resurrection ( the rest of the dead mentioned in vs 5) takes place after the thousand years were finished, vs. 5. Aren't these two separate resurrections?
Absolutely. Two clear resurrections right there in Rev 20. One for believers (the rapture) once Jesus returns and the millennium begins. And one for unbelievers who are then cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and hell itself.
God is so awesome he doesn't only when he does said that he allows us to understand to have an understand when God has to pull the plug on. Sin and it is ultimately destroyed and never will. Be again.
I can’t listen to “teachings” such as this where people are already hostile toward a particular eschatological view because they’re already emotionally wedded to their particular view. At 11:20, this guy, speaking about the pre-mill view, talks about the “discontinuity in the millennium” between believers in the millennium versus unbelievers who’ve survived the tribulation and who have subsequently entered the millennium period. He says, “I’ve never understood how that ‘works’”. But why is that problematic? Not only that, he makes an even more foolish statement (at 11:42) when he says, “How does that work when the resurrected Christ is reigning and ruling, and there are unbelievers”? But there were plenty of people, during Christ’s earthly ministry, who witnessed Jesus’ miracles, and they still rejected Him. This guy obviously doesn’t understand man’s fallen nature, or that unbelief is not an “intellectual” or “visual” hurdle - it’s a “heart” and “mind” problem.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming? The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29. Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20. Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19. Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time. Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth. ============================= Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
Much of your post is wrong. I'll take one statement of yours and give the proper explanation. QUOTE: "There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46" How did you come to that conclusion? The "sheep" are judged as righteous, they are the same group that is spoken of at: (Revelation 7:14) ... “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. In the parable of the talents, Jesus showed what is required of those who will rule with him in heaven, but in this parable he shows what is expected of the Kingdom’s SUBJECTS. (Matthew 25:14-23) Pointedly, because of their undivided support of Jesus’ brothers, THE SHEEP INHERIT A PLACE IN THE EARTHLY REALM OF HIS KINGDOM. THEY WILL ENJOY LIFE ON A PARADISE EARTH-a prospect that God prepared for them “from the founding of the world” of redeemable humans.-Luke 11:50, 51. You don't fully recognize what is symbolic in Revelation and what is literal and without knowing the difference you will never get the proper understanding.
@@djparsons7363 You did not show mortals left alive at the end of Matt. 25:31-46, within the text of that chapter. Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. This agrees with what Peter said about the fire coming on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13. Hebrews 11:13-16 reveals the land promise to the Old Testament Saints. What city is now the Holy City that is our future Home? (Two Jerusalems?) Rev 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Where was Jesus crucified?) Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Heb 11:14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. Heb 11:15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Mt. Sinai) Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. ========================== Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship God in the passage below? Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship." Joh 4:21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. Joh 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10, where Paul describes Christ returning “in flaming fire” taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel.)
@@SpotterVideo I'm not sure what you mean by this statement: "You did not show mortals left alive at the end of Matt. 25:31-46, within the text of that chapter." It says the righteous go into life eternal, they're left alive. ? 2 Peter 3 is symbolic in meaning, New Heavens and New Earth are not literal, several Scriptures say the earth will never be destroyed and God doesn't contradict himself. The "Holy City" is Heavenly and only applies to the 'anointed' who inherit the Kingdom, the 144,000. It is New Jerusalem, a spiritual city.
What NONSENSE!!! SATAN IS NOT BOUND NOW DUDE, YOU NEED TO Calm DOWN AND REDO YOUR METHODS OF STUDY, PLS THIS IS SO WRONG AND UTTERLY MISLEADING TEACHING.
The harvest occurs at the same time as the judgment of the wicked. (Matt. 13:39) The judgment is at the end of this age. (Matt. 13:39) The weeds (wicked) are gathered and burned at the end of the age. (Matt. 13:40,49-50) The judgment and relief both happen upon Christ's return. (2 Thessalonians 1:5-10) The resurrection of the righteous is on the last day. (John 6:39,40,44,54;11:24) The resurrection of the righteous is at the end of this age. (Mark 10:30; Matt. 13:39,40,49) The resurrection of the righteous is on the day of the Lord. (John 6:39-54; 1 Thess 4:16-5:2) At the last trumpet, the dead are raised and we're caught up together in the clouds. (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:16) Therefore, the resurrection, harvest, and judgment occur at the end of this age, which is the day of the Lord, which is His return, which is the last trumpet. All of this happens when Jesus returns. There is no room for a future millennium but we are currently in a spiritual reign of Christ.
@@MrRainone99 The whole mishandling of Scripture is rubbish. These guys are just telling some weird story of their own. Certainly not exegeting form the Bible. Total nonsense what they are saying. Allegorizing and spiritualizing the text however they feel like. Drawing parallels which DO NOT belong together and yet disengaging the texts that do. 🤦🏻♂️
I guess these guys didn’t pay much attention to this warning from James the just: “My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.” James 3:1 NKJV It’s not them that I mostly concerned about, it’s more about the people who take these dudes seriously. Oh boy.
These are not accusations. It’s observations and conclusions based on what’s being thought. Gee, where do I begin? 🤔 It’s so bad that I’m not even sure where to start. The whole premise is WRONG. But on a serious note, do you really want to hear my view? If yes, then please first share, what do you think is right in what they are saying.
Those in Rev 6:9 are the First early Church saints killed, waiting for the Last Church saints to be killed in the tribulation as those early saints were.. the 2 groups in Rev. 20:4-6.
The ones I'm getting called are those who went through the persecution of the church through the door cages. The woods the road because a church slaughtered slaughtered millions. And just like when Kane killed Abel the Lord said to cane your brother's blood cries out to me, same thing with with these that are under the. Altand the robe that is given to them is the robe of righteousness through Christ Jesus.
Sorry, but Revelation is not written in chronological order. Actually, it is quite far from it. The thinking that Revelation is written like a normal book is the major cause of Revelation pit fall timing errors. Even there are 2 resurrection. One for the First Resurrection saints who will rule with Jesus during the 1,000 years and the second resurrection for everyone else after the Jesus' 1,000 years, Satan released from the bottomless pit, killing the 2 witnesses. I would love to discuss this more.
Why would there need to be two witnesses if Christ is here with His saints reigning over the earth? The two witnesses appear before the rapture of the church and then some time after this Christ establishes His earthly kingdom here on earth in Jerusalem.
The first Resurrection is the Born Again or Conversion experience. The clue to this is that the second death has no power over those in the first resurrection. The fact is the second death has NO POWER OVER ANY CHRISTIAN!!
We will reign with Christ for a thousand years , thats not now . The dead shall rise first , when Jesus returns . Jesus has not returned, so we are not in the millenium .
@@seanc2788 I guess I’m just not I understanding what’s wrong about it. If you’d care to share your view in a short summary that differs from theirs I’d be interested in seeing your take on it.
@@tyler9_10 I have already posted specific comment on this session. Other sessions I have other commentary. There is a correct study of Revelation out there, you just have to keep searching for the correct one (this is not it). Let the Holy Spirit guide you and you will find the truth. I studied all 4 prominent views over multiple years. This isn't something you are going to debate in a paragraph or two. You have to put your own time in and search for the matter that God has concealed. You will be richly rewarded as though you were a king (Proverbs 25:2).
Apostle John can not say to the Angels who were giving the VISION to him, by saying "Excuse me, can you PAUSE for a while, while I write it down"... NOPE... It is like watching a MOVIE in the theater, you can not pause it, you have to finish the MOVIE and when you go home, you could write what you have seen or talk about it or relate the story to others... John had to see the ENTIRE VISION before he could write or dictate to a scribler/s what he saw in the Vision first and also not to write those portion that John saw that was prohibited by the Angel... and not simultaneously writing at the same time watching the vision... it is "almost" like the English word IMPENETRABILITY, but not actually... Facts and truth, logically speaking...
If we are in the millinium then where are the people that live long. And the ones of sin that die at 100 years. That says there like babies. I believe it's in isaiah 65:17-23
@tentmaker2254 You have to read it carefully. It's talking about the kingdom, which is the millinium. For instance in verse 20. It's talks about death. There is no death or babies being born after The New heavens and new earth are finished and we live with God forever. This is talking about the period before the new heavens and earth are complete. Read some commentaries on it.
What does the early Christians say: After these things, the lower regions will be opened and the dead will rise again. The same King and God will pass judgment on the dead. . . . However, not all men will be judged by God at that time. Rather, only those who have practiced the religion of God. Sentence cannot be passed to acquit those who have not known God. They are already judged and condemned. For the Holy Scriptures testify that the wicked will not rise to condemnation [Ps. 1:5]. Therefore, only those who have known God will be judged. And their deeds, that is, their evil works, will be compared and weighed against their good ones. . . . But when He will have judged the righteous, He will also test them with fire. Those persons whose sins will exceed [their good works] either in weight or in number will be scorched by the fire and burned. However, those who are filled with complete justice and maturity will not feel this fire. For they have something of God in them that repels and rejects the violence of the flame. Lactantius (c. 304-313, W), 7.216, 217.
I like these videos and I've learned a lot. However the arguments so far seem to rest on the idea that from chapter to chapter, the events aren't sequential but are a replaying of the same event. How fortuitous that the original Bible interpreters managed to separate chapters in Revelation to the exact moment that each of the time frames happened to "start over from a different perspective". That or thankfully John put chapter and verse numbers in the original text, so we the reader would know that the perspective changes.
To your comment above on Revelation replaying the sane event, Jesus would use multiple parables to describe the same event, Matthew 13, parable of the weeds and parable of the dragnet to give one example
The kingdom of God is now it’s between the second chapter In acts to Christ returns. He dwells in his believers. The kingdom of God is inside of you. The word used in Greek is Killa it means 2000 or more years of God reigning in his elect!
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out Key…NOW! Jesus said it, I believe it! I cannot believe how many people will deny Christ’s words here. Amen to Amillenialism!
The First Resurrection are the dead in Christ saints who are beheaded in the tribulation and will return with Jesus for his second coming as his army in Rev. 19
Lets go ahead and get this out there. Staight says in the millennium animals will not kill each other. Has that happened? no it hasnt, end of debate. Thank you love you
The premils erred in that they equate the millennium with the golden age. The millennium is NOT the golden age. In the golden age ( the age to come, the regeneration of all things) the animals became tame and the lives of men becomes longer ( if one dies a hundred years old, he dies young). The golden age is a celebration because the Jews as a nation will repent and will bow down to Jesus. The golden age is the gift of God to the world because the Prodigal son ( Jews) returned to God. The millennium is the interim period between the crowning of Christ ( in the Ascension) until about the rising of the Messianic Jews in the early 1970s to the present. In Rev 20, when it say, the rest of the dead did not came to life ( spiritual resurrection) until after the millennium has ended - it means and referring to the orthodox Jews and most Jews today, who will come to spiritual regeneration to Christ. That will come during the great tribulation.. thus the millennium is the Church age while the golden age is the age after the Church age.
First of all the Golden Age which all premillennialists believe and hold dear, is the center of all their thoughts in the doctrine of the end times. The prophet Isaiah alluded this many many times in the later part of Isaiah’s prophecy. Animals become tame , no more beastly behavior, the people of the whole world will not experience failure in the harvest of their crops, man’s life is extended… Diseases will easy be cured, the whole world will be united politically and religiously. Jesus mentioned this as the regeneration, Peter expected this edenic dispensation too.
"Nevertheless we, according to His Promise, (Isa. 65:17; 66:22) look for a New Heavens and a New Earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." 2 Pet. 3:7-13.
Mat 19:28 KJV - 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
My kingdom is not of this world! Christ kingdom is within us Satan has been bound since Christ crucifixion, he’s being loosed now. When Christ comes we will meet him in the sky. The thought he would set up a kingdom here the first time he came. He sits at the right hand of God why would he give that up
John 5 verse 28 and 29 speaks of 2 resurrections. The 1st riser end in Daniel chapter 12 also speaks of the resurrection of the righteous and then there's an invisible/there between the resurrections cause that. Is representing the 1000 year millennium. Then there is a resurrection of the wicked of the dead. The dead who have died from the beginning on until they're dead up on the ground at his at Chr is coming then that you're resurrected. To stand judgment and cast it to the likefiyes we'll sighten and the fallen angels be cast into also and destroyed.
There is a big difference between Prophecy dictated/guided by the Holy Spirit VERBALLY and Prophecy shown by the Angels thru VISION... VERBAL Prophecies that were written are most likely straightforward, it is easy to write because it was dictated/guided by the Holy Spirit... while Prophecy thru VISION that was written is most likely NOT straightforward, for it is not easy to write while simultaneously seeing the Vision... one must first finish the entire vision before a writer could write it down... Stenography was not invented at that time... plus no Ballpoint pen with automatic ink stored to facilitate the ease to write fast... at that time... Analogy... The Book of Revelation is like a MOVIE, there are "back scenes" (flashback) and "forward scenes" (flash onward), and we can not always assume it was in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER... Remember when the Book of Revelation was written in GREEK language, there were NO CHAPTERS and NO VERSES numbered... and Apostle John was a Hebrew born who speak Hebrew-Aramaic... Apostle John was unlearned (uneducated to write) most likely after His Vision that he saw, he dictated what he saw to Greek Scriber/s... If John was able to write it by himself it must have been in Hebrew-Aramaic Text (his own native tongue), and not in the Greek text and later on translated into Greek Text...
The ones that are the same of the Z that is us. It clearly States that dog and may God are gathered to battle the number of whom. Is the sand of the sea that promise was given to Abraham, And the ones that cite and is gathering to come against Against us is those who were dead and resurrected to stay in judgment. There is a purpose for why God is allowing this for all those who are in the city and all the angels in all the universe to see that even after. All that has happened they still curse God. And turn on him and there they wouldn't change. And that God's judgment is just.
The fifth seal is before the great tribulation period begins. Revelation 6:12-13 the opening of the sixth seal ends the seven year period. The sugns happen at one specific time, and that is immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days Matthew 24:29. Revelation 6:14 the heaven rolls back like a scroll, because Jesus is entering our atmosphere to rapture the church, this is NOT the RESURRECTION RAPTURE but a rapture of our souls only. Revelation 6:15 the people on earth KNOW THAT JESUS IS HERE HOVERING OVER THE EARTH AND THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE FROM HIM. Revelation 6:16-17 the great day of Jesus wrath has come and the question is asked who will be able to stand? Because people who didn't worship the beast, his image, or take his mark, neither did they give their lives to Jesus. They will go thru the wrath of the Lamb (the trumpets) and at the end of the Lamb's wrath, and God's wrath (the bowls). Some of these people will be saved, and transformed at the sounding of the last trumpet, and the trumpets have not started to sound yet. Revelation 7:1-8 the 144,000 are sealed, they will be here on earth during the wrath teaching the gospel to thise people who are going thru the wrath of God, and the Lamb. Revelation 7:9 the church is NOW in heaven before the throne. Revelation 7:13-14 this multitude is revealed to be thise who have just been raptured out of the earth by Jesus when the heaven split in Revelation 6:14. Niw they are in heaven, and Daniel 7:21-25 proves the church is here in the earth until the END of the seven year period, we are given into the hands of the antichrist for hie ENTIRE REIGN which means the church is here until the end of the seven year period. Revelation 8:1-2 NOW we see the Seve angels are given the seven trumpets, which are the weath of the Lamb. Revelation 7:6-7 the seven angels prepare to sound, the first angel sounds. The church is in heaven, BEFORE the weath wthe Lamb begins, and the seven year period is over. I show this again in Revelation 14:14-16 that the bowls of God's wrath will begin after the multitu of Revelation 14:14-16 is raptured out of the earth with a SICKLE and not a TRUMPET. This happens once again after the seven year period is over. I have 5 videos on UA-cam under the title. Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus. To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title. U guys are missing the order of Revelation.
Revelation 20:4-6 these verses prove that the resurrection rapture doesn't happen until the beginning of the millennial reign on earth, as a matter of fact the resurrection takes place on day one of the millennial reign of Jesus on earth. This disproves a pre trib resurrection rapture, because clearly the great tribulation believer's who must be killed by the antichrist are in the FIRST RESURRECTION. So if they are in the FIRST RESURRECTION how is the pre trib rapture view getting a resurrection Rapture at the beginning of the seven year period that doesn't include the great tribulation believer's who must be killed by the antichrist during the LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF THE SEVENTY YEAR PERIOD? The pre trib rapture view is wrong. I have 5 videos on UA-cam under the title. Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus. To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title. My veiw is post trib, but that the second coming at the end of the seven year period is not when Jesus stays here on earth, and begins his millennial reign. But that at the end of the seven year period Jesus comes, and removes the church out of the earth, THEN the trumpets, and the bowls of God's wrath both happen after the seven year period is over for at least another Three years and eleven months longer than the seven year period. Based upon the length of the 5th and 6th trumpets alone. I explain all of this in my 5 videos on UA-cam under the title. Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
There are two reasons for the Millennial reign of Christ on the earth for 1,000 years: 1) To establish Jerusalem as the capital of the world. All the nations will come to Israel to pay respects to Christ and the Jewish people. 2) To establish a baseline of a long period of earth time from which to prove eternal punishment is necessary for those who do not submit to Christ. The reason Satan is bound for 1,000 years is to demonstrate that even after that period of time, when Christ is King on the earth, people will still chose to take sides with Satan after he is released. It is necessary that Satan be loosed for a little while after the 1,000 year period to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the necessity for eternal punishment. Satan and his followers cannot be given a second chance because they will never submit to God. Rev 20:4- those sitting on thrones are the saints who were raptured and have come back with Jesus to reign upon the earth. Those who missed the rapture won't be able to come back with Jesus, because they don't have a resurrected body yet. According to Jesus there are two resurrections: 1) The resurrection to life. 2) The resurrection of damnation. The reason why the resurrection to damnation doesn't take place until after the Millennial reign is so that it will include all those who rebelled against Christ after Satan is loosed and gathers them together to advance against the Kingdom. Once all the damned are dead, they will have their physical bodies resurrected and re-joined to their souls in hell. Death and hell will give up their dead, so that they can stand before the Great White Throne judgment. Once that judgment has been handed down, they will be thrown into the lake of fire, which is the final destination.
No, the two resurrections are explained in John 5: “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live." The first resurrection is the spiritual resurrection. Jesus said it is "NOW" here during His ministry. He clearly separated it from the final judgement resurrection of the body: "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." This makes sense because John literally specifies that those who take part in the first resurrection will NOT have to experience the 2nd death. The first resurrection has to do with spiritual life which is eternal. I was on the fence about eschatology until I found out the pre-mil view simply takes things too literally, including the idea that in the new temple during the millennial kingdom there will be animal sacrifices again. The entire point of the book of Hebrews is that we should NOT go back to the old ways of doing things anymore! Sacrifices are pointless! Its a ridiculous idea. Why would Jesus(being the perfect final sacrifice, the spotless Lamb of God), come back to start up temple sacrifices again?? Not all Israel has descended from Israel. The kingdom of God is at hand. True Israel are those who had faith in Yahweh and those who believe in Jesus today. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” If pre-mil is true, that would mean that there are a lot of people who get to see the kingdom without being born-again. Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.” If pre-mil is true, everyone would easily be able to tell that the kingdom of God is here. The kingdom of God is not a physical kingdom. It is already here! “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” The current kingdom of heaven is still growing. The Holy City, New Jerusalem(the bride of Christ) is still being built. I don't believe the millenial kingdom is "in heaven" like the guys in this video say. That makes no sense. Jesus said the kingdom of God is here! Its just that only those with ears to hear and have been granted to know the secrets of the kingdom can see it!
@@AMessengerofTruth Time to study better. You just completely blew past the scriptures in context. John 5:28- "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice." Your first step is to realize that when people die, only their bodies go into the ground. Their soul goes immediately to heaven or hell. The first resurrection has nothing to do with your spiritual life. Resurrections have everything to do with your mortal body being resurrected and made immortal. So this scripture simply means that one day, everyone's body will be raised from the dust of the earth. Depending on where your spirit is at, that depends on whether your body is raised corruptible or incorruptible. Both will be immortal, but one is designed for hell, the other is designed for heaven. The resurrection of the damned is at the end of the Millennial Reign, because it has to include the final round of people that Satan gathers to fight against Jesus Christ after 1,000 years of his rule on earth. This has to be done so that God can prove once and for all that eternal punishment is necessary for Satan and all of his followers. That is why the Great White Throne judgment comes at the very end, after the final insurrection. John 5:29- "And come out- those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned." So again your spirit is not in your body after you die. The Word of God is talking about mortal bodies rising to either 1) life or 2) damnation. You must have missed that when you were reading the Bible. It's exactly as I said in my first thread. One resurrection of the physical body to those who are spiritually alive. One resurrection of the body to those who are spiritually dead. The people who are spiritually alive have been involved in several resurrections. Enoch, Elijah, Lazarus, 500 souls out of the graves when Jesus spend his last 40 days on earth. Jesus himself was resurrected. The church will be resurrected before the Tribulation and those who give their lives to Christ during the Tribulation will also be resurrected in Rev 20:4 at the end of the Tribulation. The resurrection to Life comes with a multitude of people throughout the Bible, there is nothing new there. Of course you need to take Revelation literally. Even the symbolic components actually translate into a literal character or event. The only things that do not are the Hebrew sayings from ancient times. They mean something that fits into the narrative but does not become a special character. Have you bothered to check out the templeinstitute.org for how close they are to rebuilding the temple? All they need is the peace treaty with Saudi Arabia. They even have the red heifers. It is all coming together just as God has described in Daniel and Revelation. You can stick your head in the sand and try to chant it away, but that won't work. It's going to play out just as God said it would anytime in the next 36 months.
Everything seemed fine from the beginning up to the moment when the bald guy said that there will be only one destruction of God's enemies which will take place at the end of the Millennium, which does not make sense. Also, he said that those enemies will be destroyed at the return of Jesus. That got me confused because I assumed he shared the same belief as the other guy that Jesus comes before the millennium, not after. Then, if God’s enemies will be destroyed at Jesus’s return and his return takes place at the beginning of the millennium, why would he say that the enemies of Jesus would be destroyed at the end of the millennium? That makes no sense. Let me know whether or not I misheard what he said! This is what he said: “… there’s not 2 destructions of God’s enemies that take place separated by a thousand years. There’s 1 battle, 1 major return of Christ in which his enemies are destroyed. Ok? And We believe that happens, as we’re gonna argue, at the end of this 1 thousand period.” The he said again: “… and so there’s 1 final battle in which God’s enemies are destroyed, not one at the second coming of Jesus and another battle wait off in the future.” That does not make sense when it comes to scriptures. And what about the extensive usage of fancy terminologies. Then, the older man brought up the topic of the resurrection saying the scriptures talk about only 1 resurrection day. That’s a big lie. I don’t feel he was lying on purpose. He sounds humble and sincere but, unfortunately, to my understanding, he is mistaken. The book of Daniel talks about 2 resurrections, although it’s not clear about the number of dates. Jesus was also not very clear about it. But Revelation is very clear about it when it says that those who participate in the first resurrection are blessed and that the other dead ones did not resurrect until the end of the millennium. It’s written right there. Read slowly and with patience, people!
Yes, I agree with you, they are mistaken. There will be 2 resurrections and 1000 years of christ reign on earth in the middle of them, which makes sense with Daniel 2 and the government of God covering the whole world. At Jesus’s coming, the resurrection of life happens, all christians dead and alive will become immortal and continue to the Millenium but there will be many who will not be transformed to immortality who will also continue to the Millenium and humanity will continue but with Jesus as the sole ruler of the world. At the end, Satan will be loosed and many will follow him again but that will be the last rebellion as we an read. These people are confused, to think that the 1000 years reign of Christ is taking place right now, that flies in the face of what is written in Daniel 2, those governments were physical therefore, God’s government will be physical and will cover the whole earth, how can anyone say that the Millenium kingdom of Jesus is happening right now when we see all that is happening, lawlessness, death, evil, etc, how can they even think that Satan has been bound? we have to use all scripture from the New and Old Testament so that all makes sense. The more I listen the more I have things to object, they do not understand that the dead wait for the resurrection, they totally disregard what the Old Testament teaches about death, which is, no one goes to heaven at death, there has to be a resurrection even if we are going somewhere, just like Jesus, he had to be resurrected to ascend to his Father. This shows that no matter how much you think you know a subject, leave room to change, these people are not teaching correct doctrine unfortunately.
I caught this too.These guys are complicating things by not understanding that Revelation 19 and 20 describe linear events. They also don't see that there are two resurrections. Daniel 12:2 tells us that both the righteous dead and the wicked dead will be resurrected. Revelation 20:5-6 indicates that these resurrections take place at separate times ... the first at the beginning of the millennium, and the second at the end of it. There are also two battles. The first at Jesus' second coming, the second at the end of the millennium. ALL the wicked will be killed at Jesus second coming, so none of the wicked will be alive during the millennium...but after the millennium, when they are resurrected, the devil will have an army to attack the city of God...
@@jo9354, hi! I disagree with you in one point (actually, I’m not really sure whether you think differently or you just didn’t feel like adding that detail into your comment). It’s true that the wicked ones who received the mark of the beast will be thrown into the lake of fire at Jesus’ return at the beginning of the millennium. And it’s also true that at the end of the millennium, satan will gather a great number of people to go against the holy city. However, those people will not be resurrected to fight against the holy city because they’ll be alive during the millennium. Not all people will accept the mark of the beast. They’ll be judged at the beginning of the millennium so that it’ll be decided whether they’ll go through the millennium (alive) or not. It’s like the “after Noah flood #2”, a re-start or a “reset”. And they’ll live the fulfilment of many prophecies such as living longer and having multiples kids. And that’s part of the reason why satan needs to be released from “jail” at the end of the millennium. And if you noticed well, the book of revelation makes it seems that Gog and Magog will march towards the holy city but there’ll be no time for battle because God will stop it right before they even manage to set foot near the city. And also, the 2nd resurrection (the one for everyone else who did not experience the 1st resurrection) will only take place after the Lord destroys Gog & Magog and sends satan to the lake of fire.
I bet Satan is loving all the fighting going on between Christians about eschatology. Everyone (including faceless people in this comments section) is convinced they are right and want to stomp on another believer just because they have a different view on this tertiary topic. no one knows for sure and it’s quite possible we all get it wrong in the end. Just like the religious scripture studying Jews at the time of Christ’s first coming. They were convinced of the savior they were expecting from the OT prophecies and they rejected Him when He got here cuz He didn’t fit what they wanted to see.
Stop, stop, stop!!! This is the worst and wrong version of teachings I have ever heard. To think that you guys think that Satan is already bound for a thousand years and Jesus is coming back at the end of the millennium is Horribly wrong. Pls stop this heresy. Goodness gracious. I am shocked how deceived and twisted ppl become just to interpret scriptures. You guys obviously don't have it, focus on the gospel please because you don't know how to teach the Book of revelation.
Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers. Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!
The way they argue their position it sounds to me as if they are trying to convince themselves that what they are saying is true as well as their audience.
You say “who are those people identified in Revelation 20 ?”and you say that those are the people that came out of the great tribulation, however when Jesus comes, every christian who ever lived and those who are alive will be resurrected immortal and transformed, and that includes those beheaded during the great tribulation. Furthermore, there are many who live righteously and were not killed who will continue to the Millennial kingdom of Jesus which will take place in Jerusalem.
Do you have a scripture verse for that last sentence? People are either a believer in Christ and are given a Celestial body and meet the Lord in the air or they are outside of Christ. Those dead from the past without Christ will remain dead and those alive without Christ at His coming will perish in the bowl judgements.
Revelation is not in cronological order.First we have to learn in the OT what JESUS CHRIST came to do on earth HE CAME TO ESTABLISH HIS REIGN ON EARTH.HE WAS THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING.THE CHURCH WAS THERE SINCE THE BIGINNING.John 10 v 30 ) I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
Im post trib. But on the millennium part these guys are way off. Im seeing way to many contradictions in what they’re saying. Revelation 5:10 (KJV) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 20:2 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, This happened at the beginning of the church age. It means Satan is limited on what he can do. Revelation 12:7-10 (KJV) 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Yes this is also showing the church age because yes Satan is no longer in heaven and he’s been persecuting the church through the church age. This doesn’t work at all.
The event in Revelation 12 and the event in Revelation 20 are two separate events. The first happened after Jesus ascension to heaven, the second will happen at Jesus' second coming.
John 14 2 and 3 shows where the millieum takes place in heaven not on earth the rest of the dead is all the wicked people who die at the 2nd coming of christ hence why fire rains down on them after the thousand years there no dieing and being born in the millieum
Question : WHo rebels at the end of the millennium then? and dont give me the SDA response that its the people in the second resurrection. The second resurrection happens AFTER the fire rains down from heaven on "Gog and Magog"
Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers. Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!
oh....I'm so sorry....I thought you believed the WHOLE BIBLE...I didn't realize that you were "Replacement Theology" believers~!!! I didn't realize you have THROWN OUT MOST OF THE BIBLE~! BYE....I will pray for you....
There are two destruction's of God's enemies. Not all enemies of God are destroyed at Christs return though the armies at Jerusalem are destroyed. Zechariah 14:16-19 depicts that survivors in the lands who sent the armies against Jerusalem are called to Jerusalem annually to observe the feast of tabernacles and worship the King. If they will not do that one year they will receive no rain on their land. If they do not come the second year the Lord will send the same plague on those persons or people that fell upon the armies that were attacking Jerusalem when he returned. Also in Isaiah 65:17-20 in a "new heaven and a new earth" where mortality is still active people will live to one hundred and if they die a sinner they will be accursed or if they die righteous they will be righteous. This cannot be the New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation 21 it has to be the altered earth of the earthquake of the Lord's return where Jerusalem is divided into three parts and mountains are removed. (The old world of Noah's day was destroyed and revealed a new earth In the new heaven of the resurrected saints post judgment people are not married or given in marriage and they will not be procreating. Ezekiel 38 & 39 Gog comes against Israel and that army will leave shields and spears enough in the fields to supply fire wood for Israel for seven years. God calls the fowls of heaven to eat the armies. Revelation 9:16 mentions an army of two hundred thousand thousand and 2 Thessalonians 2:8 speaks of destroying the Wicked one with the brightness of his coming but I do not see a verse where God destroys all his enemies at the coming of the lord. The battle of Revelation 20:7-10 is described as without number and is immediately burned by fire from heaven and the devil is cast into the lake of fire. In the Revelation 20:11-15 context the earth is then destroyed and judgement begins. As the one brother said only in the Revelation 20:7-10 destruction are all the enemies destroyed. Not every one who enters the millennium shall be a perfected tried and true saint. The day of the Lord is a thousand years long (he judges from day one and all of the thousand years and finishes at the white throne of judgment) and he will need the rod of iron and he will sentence death for some as referenced in Zechariah 14. (how many others? that is not clarified) People will be born and live under the rule of the Lord and he will enforce the ten commandments even the Sabbaths Isaiah 65:22-24. Otherwise when the devil is released from the pit he will deceive saints to attack the camp of the saints and the beloved city.
The martyrs are saints ruling from heaven and interceding for the Body of Christ. Those faithful 'Christians' were Coptic Orthodox, they, like Catholics, offer the Sacrifice of the Mass, The Eucharist, Orthodox call their celebration the Divine Liturgy, they fast, etc, what most protestants reject and call heresy.
Yet his pit that he is casted to is the Earth in all its destruction and there's no one alive for human. His demons are followed angels to operate through they're left to look at each other.😮 And I could just imagine them at one point saying why did we do all this
The adversary (Satan) is cast down before Christ can return. Satan then pretends to be the Saviour and lead all he can away from Christ. Pre-Tribbers think Christ can come back at any time. They don't consider the many verses that read "all enemies will be made His footstool' which is the Earth. And Acts 3:21 That Christ must remain in Heaven at the right hand of the Father UNTIL the restoration of All things, see Rev. 11:15-18. God will send strong delusion of those who don't love the Truth. The lie is - thinking Satan is the Messiah and obeying his evil orders. Only after Christ returns will Satan be brought down into the pit with a mighty chain by the Archangel after the Wrath of God is finished.
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I read so many negative comments on these guys but mine is the following... Im still learning but I know I'M NOT pre-trib. Teir tesching on satan being bound, now makes perfect sense to me from scriptures. Man, you pre-tribs here calling this heresy should repent yourselves !! This is one view, they still lift up Christ & the gospel! You pre-trib people need to get over yourselves & look at all scriptures & consider WITHOUT your preconceived bias before you read your bibles! I really love these guys! Keep it up. Great things to consider
I agree man
Can you really take a look at our world and say Satan is bound, plus let me just throw this in there. How about the fact that animals won't kill each other in the millennium? Has that happened yet. No end of debate
Frankj, I’m post trib, but I see a contradiction here in their aMillennial view. Revelation 20:2 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
“This happened at the beginning of the church age. It means Satan is limited on what he can do.”
Revelation 12:7-10 (KJV) 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
“Yes this is also showing the church age because yes Satan is no longer in heaven and he’s been persecuting the church through the church age.”
Do you see it? That doesn’t work.
I feel so blessed also with these guys.
We just want to rightly dividing the Word of God. Study to show yourself an approved workman, not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ
Great analysis. Thumps up.
Thank u very much God is good for giving me a brother in Chirst like u guys
Its obvious that God has not revealed this to most of the people in the comments. But He sure did reveal it to me, once i was sincere and sincerely wanting to know about this specifically and was willing to throw away teachings of men that i had been indoctrinated by. Ask and seek, but you have to be willing to let God show you Truth. The world is filled with lies.
AMEN!!!
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 (KJV)
Anyone reading this, if you haven't repented yet, please REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
Call upon JESUS, and He will SAVE you: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 (KJV)
Lord Jesus✝️have mercy on you🙏
I LOVE YOU JESUS✝️
Evidently, you never studied that verse in Greek it’s the most abused verse in the entire Bible. It’s a predestination verse. God only so loved so tells you exactly how God loved his cosmos and whoever is not in the original text.
@19:58 it is stated that the second believers die, they are raised and go to heaven. I have often wondered if the first resurrection does take place at death or at a later time.
I think I’m hearing the primary argument against historical premillennialism is that we don’t know all the details of what happens during the millennium - i.e. we don’t have insight into how the millennium is populated, so the millennium must not exist. It seems far more plausible to just acknowledge the text for what it says, and humbly say we don’t know the details. Also, the end of Rev 19 says only TWO were thrown into the lake of fire. The end of Rev 20 says Satan and ALL of hell are thrown into the lake of fire. The text says these are two very different events…and no, pretrib rapture is not found anywhere in the Bible.
How could there be a reign of God after there is no more time when he returns. If you’ve actually read your Bible, he explains this perfectly when they asked Christ about his kingdom And it does not come with observation the kingdom of God is inside of you
Amen ! Very well said !, wish you could be there with them in this study. GOD BLESS YOU ! FOR YOUR DISCERNMENT
Yes it does just not the Rapture word is used..but what is described is the definention of the Rapture..a taking away forcefully..snatched away
Satan has no power because Christ died at the cross and crushed Satan’s head, even though his heel was bruised.
@ 11:01 it is stated that the Bible teaches only one resurrection. But in Revelation 20, there is mention of TWO resurrections, one of believers the first resurrection, (Revelation 20:2-5) and the second resurrection ( the rest of the dead mentioned in vs 5) takes place after the thousand years were finished, vs. 5. Aren't these two separate resurrections?
Absolutely. Two clear resurrections right there in Rev 20. One for believers (the rapture) once Jesus returns and the millennium begins. And one for unbelievers who are then cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and hell itself.
Yes
God is so awesome he doesn't only when he does said that he allows us to understand to have an understand when God has to pull the plug on. Sin and it is ultimately destroyed and never will. Be again.
39:17 sounds like Satan bound for 1000 years. The gospel will prevail.
I can’t listen to “teachings” such as this where people are already hostile toward a particular eschatological view because they’re already emotionally wedded to their particular view. At 11:20, this guy, speaking about the pre-mill view, talks about the “discontinuity in the millennium” between believers in the millennium versus unbelievers who’ve survived the tribulation and who have subsequently entered the millennium period. He says, “I’ve never understood how that ‘works’”. But why is that problematic? Not only that, he makes an even more foolish statement (at 11:42) when he says, “How does that work when the resurrected Christ is reigning and ruling, and there are unbelievers”? But there were plenty of people, during Christ’s earthly ministry, who witnessed Jesus’ miracles, and they still rejected Him. This guy obviously doesn’t understand man’s fallen nature, or that unbelief is not an “intellectual” or “visual” hurdle - it’s a “heart” and “mind” problem.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming?
The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29.
Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
Much of your post is wrong. I'll take one statement of yours and give the proper explanation.
QUOTE: "There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46"
How did you come to that conclusion? The "sheep" are judged as righteous, they are the same group that is spoken of at:
(Revelation 7:14) ... “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
In the parable of the talents, Jesus showed what is required of those who will rule with him in heaven, but in this parable he shows what is expected of the Kingdom’s SUBJECTS. (Matthew 25:14-23)
Pointedly, because of their undivided support of Jesus’ brothers, THE SHEEP INHERIT A PLACE IN THE EARTHLY REALM OF HIS KINGDOM. THEY WILL ENJOY LIFE ON A PARADISE EARTH-a prospect that God prepared for them “from the founding of the world” of redeemable humans.-Luke 11:50, 51.
You don't fully recognize what is symbolic in Revelation and what is literal and without knowing the difference you will never get the proper understanding.
@@djparsons7363 You did not show mortals left alive at the end of Matt. 25:31-46, within the text of that chapter.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. This agrees with what Peter said about the fire coming on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13. Hebrews 11:13-16 reveals the land promise to the Old Testament Saints.
What city is now the Holy City that is our future Home? (Two Jerusalems?)
Rev 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Where was Jesus crucified?)
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children-
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland.
Heb 11:15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Mt. Sinai)
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship God in the passage below?
Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship."
Joh 4:21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10, where Paul describes Christ returning “in flaming fire” taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel.)
@@SpotterVideo I'm not sure what you mean by this statement: "You did not show mortals left alive at the end of Matt. 25:31-46, within the text of that chapter."
It says the righteous go into life eternal, they're left alive. ?
2 Peter 3 is symbolic in meaning, New Heavens and New Earth are not literal, several Scriptures say the earth will never be destroyed and God doesn't contradict himself.
The "Holy City" is Heavenly and only applies to the 'anointed' who inherit the Kingdom, the 144,000. It is New Jerusalem, a spiritual city.
@@djparsons7363 Are you promoting "Full-Preterism"?
@@SpotterVideo I don't even know what that is.
What NONSENSE!!! SATAN IS NOT BOUND NOW DUDE, YOU NEED TO Calm DOWN AND REDO YOUR METHODS OF STUDY, PLS THIS IS SO WRONG AND UTTERLY MISLEADING TEACHING.
The harvest occurs at the same time as the judgment of the wicked. (Matt. 13:39)
The judgment is at the end of this age. (Matt. 13:39)
The weeds (wicked) are gathered and burned at the end of the age. (Matt. 13:40,49-50)
The judgment and relief both happen upon Christ's return. (2 Thessalonians 1:5-10)
The resurrection of the righteous is on the last day. (John 6:39,40,44,54;11:24)
The resurrection of the righteous is at the end of this age. (Mark 10:30; Matt. 13:39,40,49)
The resurrection of the righteous is on the day of the Lord. (John 6:39-54; 1 Thess 4:16-5:2)
At the last trumpet, the dead are raised and we're caught up together in the clouds. (1 Cor. 15:52; 1 Thess. 4:16)
Therefore, the resurrection, harvest, and judgment occur at the end of this age, which is the day of the Lord, which is His return, which is the last trumpet. All of this happens when Jesus returns. There is no room for a future millennium but we are currently in a spiritual reign of Christ.
It’s crazy what these dudes are doing. Such a rubbish.
@@MrRainone99
The whole mishandling of Scripture is rubbish. These guys are just telling some weird story of their own. Certainly not exegeting form the Bible. Total nonsense what they are saying. Allegorizing and spiritualizing the text however they feel like. Drawing parallels which DO NOT belong together and yet disengaging the texts that do. 🤦🏻♂️
I guess these guys didn’t pay much attention to this warning from James the just:
“My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.”
James 3:1 NKJV
It’s not them that I mostly concerned about, it’s more about the people who take these dudes seriously. Oh boy.
These are not accusations. It’s observations and conclusions based on what’s being thought.
Gee, where do I begin? 🤔
It’s so bad that I’m not even sure where to start. The whole premise is WRONG.
But on a serious note, do you really want to hear my view? If yes, then please first share, what do you think is right in what they are saying.
Those in Rev 6:9 are the First early Church saints killed, waiting for the Last Church saints to be killed in the tribulation as those early saints were.. the 2 groups in Rev. 20:4-6.
The ones I'm getting called are those who went through the persecution of the church through the door cages. The woods the road because a church slaughtered slaughtered millions. And just like when Kane killed Abel the Lord said to cane your brother's blood cries out to me, same thing with with these that are under the. Altand the robe that is given to them is the robe of righteousness through Christ Jesus.
Until I read the Bible for myself I believed in a pretrib. My question is, is this a doctrine issue?
I’d love to see a debate with James White or Doug Wilson
I'd like to see them debate Peter Ruckman, Chuck Missler, and J. Vernon McGee, though that might be a bit difficult to arrange. 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
What about the seven feasts
Sorry, but Revelation is not written in chronological order. Actually, it is quite far from it. The thinking that Revelation is written like a normal book is the major cause of Revelation pit fall timing errors.
Even there are 2 resurrection. One for the First Resurrection saints who will rule with Jesus during the 1,000 years and the second resurrection for everyone else after the Jesus' 1,000 years, Satan released from the bottomless pit, killing the 2 witnesses. I would love to discuss this more.
Why would there need to be two witnesses if Christ is here with His saints reigning over the earth? The two witnesses appear before the rapture of the church and then some time after this Christ establishes His earthly kingdom here on earth in Jerusalem.
The first Resurrection is the Born Again or Conversion experience. The clue to this is that the second death has no power over those in the first resurrection. The fact is the second death has NO POWER OVER ANY CHRISTIAN!!
40:27 all people are being drawn by the gospel. It is no longer the Jews only.
We will reign with Christ for a thousand years , thats not now . The dead shall rise first , when Jesus returns . Jesus has not returned, so we are not in the millenium .
It's painful listening to people who don't get it.
Yes, it is indeed. 💯
Don’t get what? Maybe enlighten us?
@@tyler9_10 The whole interpretation of the End Times. Painful to listen to the wrong one.
@@seanc2788 I guess I’m just not I understanding what’s wrong about it. If you’d care to share your view in a short summary that differs from theirs I’d be interested in seeing your take on it.
@@tyler9_10 I have already posted specific comment on this session. Other sessions I have other commentary. There is a correct study of Revelation out there, you just have to keep searching for the correct one (this is not it). Let the Holy Spirit guide you and you will find the truth. I studied all 4 prominent views over multiple years. This isn't something you are going to debate in a paragraph or two. You have to put your own time in and search for the matter that God has concealed. You will be richly rewarded as though you were a king (Proverbs 25:2).
Apostle John can not say to the Angels who were giving the VISION to him, by saying "Excuse me, can you PAUSE for a while, while I write it down"... NOPE... It is like watching a MOVIE in the theater, you can not pause it, you have to finish the MOVIE and when you go home, you could write what you have seen or talk about it or relate the story to others...
John had to see the ENTIRE VISION before he could write or dictate to a scribler/s what he saw in the Vision first and also not to write those portion that John saw that was prohibited by the Angel... and not simultaneously writing at the same time watching the vision... it is "almost" like the English word IMPENETRABILITY, but not actually... Facts and truth, logically speaking...
If the bible says what the millenium is, why are there question about what the millenium is?
If we are in the millinium then where are the people that live long. And the ones of sin that die at 100 years. That says there like babies. I believe it's in isaiah 65:17-23
If people are dying in the Millennium then death isn't swallowed up in victory at his Coming. Read 1 corinth 15 again and again and again.
Did you read the verse? It says its talking about the new earth, nothing about a millennium in Isaiah 65:17-23.
@tentmaker2254 You have to read it carefully. It's talking about the kingdom, which is the millinium. For instance in verse 20. It's talks about death. There is no death or babies being born after The New heavens and new earth are finished and we live with God forever. This is talking about the period before the new heavens and earth are complete. Read some commentaries on it.
What does the early Christians say:
After these things, the lower regions will be opened and the dead will rise again. The same King and God will pass judgment on the dead. . . . However, not all men will be judged by God at that time. Rather, only those who have practiced the religion of God. Sentence cannot be passed to acquit those who have not known God. They are already judged and condemned. For the Holy Scriptures testify that the wicked will not rise to condemnation [Ps. 1:5]. Therefore, only those who have known God will be judged. And their deeds, that is, their evil works, will be compared and weighed against their good ones. . . . But when He will have judged the righteous, He will also test them with fire. Those persons whose sins will exceed [their good works] either in weight or in number will be scorched by the fire and burned. However, those who are filled with complete justice and maturity will not feel this fire. For they have something of God in them that repels and rejects the violence of the flame. Lactantius (c. 304-313, W), 7.216, 217.
Guys need to do a study on bible numbers ivan pannin and Brandon Peterson
I like these videos and I've learned a lot. However the arguments so far seem to rest on the idea that from chapter to chapter, the events aren't sequential but are a replaying of the same event.
How fortuitous that the original Bible interpreters managed to separate chapters in Revelation to the exact moment that each of the time frames happened to "start over from a different perspective".
That or thankfully John put chapter and verse numbers in the original text, so we the reader would know that the perspective changes.
Chapters and verses do not exist in any manuscript ... it was simply the text. These chapter and verse designations only started about 500 years ago.
To your comment above on Revelation replaying the sane event, Jesus would use multiple parables to describe the same event, Matthew 13, parable of the weeds and parable of the dragnet to give one example
The kingdom of God is now it’s between the second chapter
In acts to Christ returns. He dwells in his believers. The kingdom of God is inside of you. The word used in Greek is Killa it means 2000 or more years of God reigning in his elect!
John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out
Key…NOW! Jesus said it, I believe it! I cannot believe how many people will deny Christ’s words here. Amen to Amillenialism!
Explain Zachariah 14😅
The First Resurrection are the dead in Christ saints who are beheaded in the tribulation and will return with Jesus for his second coming as his army in Rev. 19
The first resurrection is the church. It’s the born-again experience when God resurrects your heart where the second death has no effect.
Lets go ahead and get this out there. Staight says in the millennium animals will not kill each other. Has that happened? no it hasnt, end of debate. Thank you love you
The premils erred in that they equate the millennium with the golden age. The millennium is NOT the golden age. In the golden age ( the age to come, the regeneration of all things) the animals became tame and the lives of men becomes longer ( if one dies a hundred years old, he dies young).
The golden age is a celebration because the Jews as a nation will repent and will bow down to Jesus.
The golden age is the gift of God to the world because the Prodigal son ( Jews) returned to God.
The millennium is the interim period between the crowning of Christ ( in the Ascension) until about the rising of the Messianic Jews in the early 1970s to the present.
In Rev 20, when it say, the rest of the dead did not came to life ( spiritual resurrection) until after the millennium has ended - it means and referring to the orthodox Jews and most Jews today, who will come to spiritual regeneration to Christ. That will come during the great tribulation..
thus the millennium is the Church age while the golden age is the age after the Church age.
@@bongzason152 where in the Bible does it mention a golden age???
First of all the Golden Age which all premillennialists believe and hold dear, is the center of all their thoughts in the doctrine of the end times.
The prophet Isaiah alluded this many many times in the later part of Isaiah’s prophecy.
Animals become tame , no more beastly behavior, the people of the whole world will not experience failure in the harvest of their crops, man’s life is extended…
Diseases will easy be cured, the whole world will be united politically and religiously.
Jesus mentioned this as the regeneration, Peter expected this edenic dispensation too.
"Nevertheless we, according to His Promise, (Isa. 65:17; 66:22) look for a New Heavens and a New Earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." 2 Pet. 3:7-13.
Mat 19:28 KJV - 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
My kingdom is not of this world!
Christ kingdom is within us
Satan has been bound since Christ crucifixion, he’s being loosed now. When Christ comes we will meet him in the sky. The thought he would set up a kingdom here the first time he came.
He sits at the right hand of God why would he give that up
Please come in with Zachariah 14😅
how does this make sense when Jesus resarected 2000 years ago is the 1000 years over
John 5 verse 28 and 29 speaks of 2 resurrections. The 1st riser end in Daniel chapter 12 also speaks of the resurrection of the righteous and then there's an invisible/there between the resurrections cause that. Is representing the 1000 year millennium. Then there is a resurrection of the wicked of the dead. The dead who have died from the beginning on until they're dead up on the ground at his at Chr is coming then that you're resurrected. To stand judgment and cast it to the likefiyes we'll sighten and the fallen angels be cast into also and destroyed.
There is a big difference between Prophecy dictated/guided by the Holy Spirit VERBALLY and Prophecy shown by the Angels thru VISION... VERBAL Prophecies that were written are most likely straightforward, it is easy to write because it was dictated/guided by the Holy Spirit... while Prophecy thru VISION that was written is most likely NOT straightforward, for it is not easy to write while simultaneously seeing the Vision... one must first finish the entire vision before a writer could write it down... Stenography was not invented at that time... plus no Ballpoint pen with automatic ink stored to facilitate the ease to write fast... at that time...
Analogy... The Book of Revelation is like a MOVIE, there are "back scenes" (flashback) and "forward scenes" (flash onward), and we can not always assume it was in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER... Remember when the Book of Revelation was written in GREEK language, there were NO CHAPTERS and NO VERSES numbered... and Apostle John was a Hebrew born who speak Hebrew-Aramaic... Apostle John was unlearned (uneducated to write) most likely after His Vision that he saw, he dictated what he saw to Greek Scriber/s... If John was able to write it by himself it must have been in Hebrew-Aramaic Text (his own native tongue), and not in the Greek text and later on translated into Greek Text...
The ones that are the same of the Z that is us. It clearly States that dog and may God are gathered to battle the number of whom. Is the sand of the sea that promise was given to Abraham, And the ones that cite and is gathering to come against Against us is those who were dead and resurrected to stay in judgment. There is a purpose for why God is allowing this for all those who are in the city and all the angels in all the universe to see that even after. All that has happened they still curse God. And turn on him and there they wouldn't change. And that God's judgment is just.
Enoch was he raptured
The fifth seal is before the great tribulation period begins.
Revelation 6:12-13 the opening of the sixth seal ends the seven year
period.
The sugns happen at one specific time, and that is immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days Matthew 24:29.
Revelation 6:14 the heaven rolls back like a scroll, because Jesus is entering our atmosphere to rapture the church, this is NOT the RESURRECTION RAPTURE but a rapture of our souls only.
Revelation 6:15 the people on earth KNOW THAT JESUS IS HERE HOVERING OVER THE EARTH AND THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE FROM HIM.
Revelation 6:16-17 the great day of Jesus wrath has come and the question is asked who will be able to stand? Because people who didn't worship the beast, his image, or take his mark, neither did they give their lives to Jesus.
They will go thru the wrath of the Lamb (the trumpets) and at the end of the Lamb's wrath, and God's wrath (the bowls).
Some of these people will be saved, and transformed at the sounding of the last trumpet, and the trumpets have not started to sound yet.
Revelation 7:1-8 the 144,000 are sealed, they will be here on earth during the wrath teaching the gospel to thise people who are going thru the wrath of God, and the Lamb.
Revelation 7:9 the church is NOW in heaven before the throne.
Revelation 7:13-14 this multitude is revealed to be thise who have just been raptured out of the earth by Jesus when the heaven split in Revelation 6:14.
Niw they are in heaven, and Daniel 7:21-25 proves the church is here in the earth until the END of the seven year period, we are given into the hands of the antichrist for hie ENTIRE REIGN which means the church is here until the end of the seven year period.
Revelation 8:1-2 NOW we see the Seve angels are given the seven trumpets, which are the weath of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:6-7 the seven angels prepare to sound, the first angel sounds.
The church is in heaven, BEFORE the weath wthe Lamb begins, and the seven year period is over.
I show this again in Revelation 14:14-16 that the bowls of God's wrath will begin after the multitu of Revelation 14:14-16 is raptured out of the earth with a SICKLE and not a TRUMPET. This happens once again after the seven year period is over.
I have 5 videos on UA-cam under the title.
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title.
U guys are missing the order of Revelation.
Revelation 20:4-6 these verses prove that the resurrection rapture doesn't happen until the beginning of the millennial reign on earth, as a matter of fact the resurrection takes place on day one of the millennial reign of Jesus on earth.
This disproves a pre trib resurrection rapture, because clearly the great tribulation believer's who must be killed by the antichrist are in the FIRST RESURRECTION.
So if they are in the FIRST RESURRECTION how is the pre trib rapture view getting a resurrection Rapture at the beginning of the seven year period that doesn't include the great tribulation believer's who must be killed by the antichrist during the LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF THE SEVENTY YEAR PERIOD?
The pre trib rapture view is wrong.
I have 5 videos on UA-cam under the title.
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title.
My veiw is post trib, but that the second coming at the end of the seven year period is not when Jesus stays here on earth, and begins his millennial reign.
But that at the end of the seven year period Jesus comes, and removes the church out of the earth, THEN the trumpets, and the bowls of God's wrath both happen after the seven year period is over for at least another Three years and eleven months longer than the seven year period.
Based upon the length of the 5th and 6th trumpets alone.
I explain all of this in my 5 videos on UA-cam under the title.
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
There are two reasons for the Millennial reign of Christ on the earth for 1,000 years:
1) To establish Jerusalem as the capital of the world. All the nations will come to Israel to pay respects to Christ and the Jewish people.
2) To establish a baseline of a long period of earth time from which to prove eternal punishment is necessary for those who do not submit to Christ.
The reason Satan is bound for 1,000 years is to demonstrate that even after that period of time, when Christ is King on the earth, people will still chose to take sides with Satan after he is released. It is necessary that Satan be loosed for a little while after the 1,000 year period to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the necessity for eternal punishment. Satan and his followers cannot be given a second chance because they will never submit to God.
Rev 20:4- those sitting on thrones are the saints who were raptured and have come back with Jesus to reign upon the earth. Those who missed the rapture won't be able to come back with Jesus, because they don't have a resurrected body yet.
According to Jesus there are two resurrections:
1) The resurrection to life.
2) The resurrection of damnation.
The reason why the resurrection to damnation doesn't take place until after the Millennial reign is so that it will include all those who rebelled against Christ after Satan is loosed and gathers them together to advance against the Kingdom. Once all the damned are dead, they will have their physical bodies resurrected and re-joined to their souls in hell. Death and hell will give up their dead, so that they can stand before the Great White Throne judgment. Once that judgment has been handed down, they will be thrown into the lake of fire, which is the final destination.
No, the two resurrections are explained in John 5:
“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."
The first resurrection is the spiritual resurrection. Jesus said it is "NOW" here during His ministry. He clearly separated it from the final judgement resurrection of the body:
"Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."
This makes sense because John literally specifies that those who take part in the first resurrection will NOT have to experience the 2nd death. The first resurrection has to do with spiritual life which is eternal.
I was on the fence about eschatology until I found out the pre-mil view simply takes things too literally, including the idea that in the new temple during the millennial kingdom there will be animal sacrifices again. The entire point of the book of Hebrews is that we should NOT go back to the old ways of doing things anymore! Sacrifices are pointless! Its a ridiculous idea. Why would Jesus(being the perfect final sacrifice, the spotless Lamb of God), come back to start up temple sacrifices again??
Not all Israel has descended from Israel. The kingdom of God is at hand. True Israel are those who had faith in Yahweh and those who believe in Jesus today.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
If pre-mil is true, that would mean that there are a lot of people who get to see the kingdom without being born-again.
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
If pre-mil is true, everyone would easily be able to tell that the kingdom of God is here. The kingdom of God is not a physical kingdom. It is already here!
“My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
The current kingdom of heaven is still growing. The Holy City, New Jerusalem(the bride of Christ) is still being built.
I don't believe the millenial kingdom is "in heaven" like the guys in this video say. That makes no sense. Jesus said the kingdom of God is here! Its just that only those with ears to hear and have been granted to know the secrets of the kingdom can see it!
@@AMessengerofTruth Time to study better. You just completely blew past the scriptures in context.
John 5:28- "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice." Your first step is to realize that when people die, only their bodies go into the ground. Their soul goes immediately to heaven or hell. The first resurrection has nothing to do with your spiritual life. Resurrections have everything to do with your mortal body being resurrected and made immortal. So this scripture simply means that one day, everyone's body will be raised from the dust of the earth. Depending on where your spirit is at, that depends on whether your body is raised corruptible or incorruptible. Both will be immortal, but one is designed for hell, the other is designed for heaven. The resurrection of the damned is at the end of the Millennial Reign, because it has to include the final round of people that Satan gathers to fight against Jesus Christ after 1,000 years of his rule on earth. This has to be done so that God can prove once and for all that eternal punishment is necessary for Satan and all of his followers. That is why the Great White Throne judgment comes at the very end, after the final insurrection.
John 5:29- "And come out- those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned." So again your spirit is not in your body after you die. The Word of God is talking about mortal bodies rising to either 1) life or 2) damnation. You must have missed that when you were reading the Bible. It's exactly as I said in my first thread. One resurrection of the physical body to those who are spiritually alive. One resurrection of the body to those who are spiritually dead. The people who are spiritually alive have been involved in several resurrections. Enoch, Elijah, Lazarus, 500 souls out of the graves when Jesus spend his last 40 days on earth. Jesus himself was resurrected. The church will be resurrected before the Tribulation and those who give their lives to Christ during the Tribulation will also be resurrected in Rev 20:4 at the end of the Tribulation. The resurrection to Life comes with a multitude of people throughout the Bible, there is nothing new there.
Of course you need to take Revelation literally. Even the symbolic components actually translate into a literal character or event. The only things that do not are the Hebrew sayings from ancient times. They mean something that fits into the narrative but does not become a special character. Have you bothered to check out the templeinstitute.org for how close they are to rebuilding the temple? All they need is the peace treaty with Saudi Arabia. They even have the red heifers. It is all coming together just as God has described in Daniel and Revelation. You can stick your head in the sand and try to chant it away, but that won't work. It's going to play out just as God said it would anytime in the next 36 months.
@@AMessengerofTruth Yes you're absolutely right on ALL POINTS INCLUDING THE MILLENIUM IS HERE ON EARTH NOT IN HEAVEN. They have got that part wrong.
Everything seemed fine from the beginning up to the moment when the bald guy said that there will be only one destruction of God's enemies which will take place at the end of the Millennium, which does not make sense.
Also, he said that those enemies will be destroyed at the return of Jesus.
That got me confused because I assumed he shared the same belief as the other guy that Jesus comes before the millennium, not after.
Then, if God’s enemies will be destroyed at Jesus’s return and his return takes place at the beginning of the millennium, why would he say that the enemies of Jesus would be destroyed at the end of the millennium? That makes no sense.
Let me know whether or not I misheard what he said! This is what he said:
“… there’s not 2 destructions of God’s enemies that take place separated by a thousand years. There’s 1 battle, 1 major return of Christ in which his enemies are destroyed. Ok? And We believe that happens, as we’re gonna argue, at the end of this 1 thousand period.”
The he said again: “… and so there’s 1 final battle in which God’s enemies are destroyed, not one at the second coming of Jesus and another battle wait off in the future.”
That does not make sense when it comes to scriptures.
And what about the extensive usage of fancy terminologies.
Then, the older man brought up the topic of the resurrection saying the scriptures talk about only 1 resurrection day. That’s a big lie.
I don’t feel he was lying on purpose. He sounds humble and sincere but, unfortunately, to my understanding, he is mistaken.
The book of Daniel talks about 2 resurrections, although it’s not clear about the number of dates. Jesus was also not very clear about it. But Revelation is very clear about it when it says that those who participate in the first resurrection are blessed and that the other dead ones did not resurrect until the end of the millennium. It’s written right there.
Read slowly and with patience, people!
Yes, I agree with you, they are mistaken. There will be 2 resurrections and 1000 years of christ reign on earth in the middle of them, which makes sense with Daniel 2 and the government of God covering the whole world. At Jesus’s coming, the resurrection of life happens, all christians dead and alive will become immortal and continue to the Millenium but there will be many who will not be transformed to immortality who will also continue to the Millenium and humanity will continue but with Jesus as the sole ruler of the world. At the end, Satan will be loosed and many will follow him again but that will be the last rebellion as we an read. These people are confused, to think that the 1000 years reign of Christ is taking place right now, that flies in the face of what is written in Daniel 2, those governments were physical therefore, God’s government will be physical and will cover the whole earth, how can anyone say that the Millenium kingdom of Jesus is happening right now when we see all that is happening, lawlessness, death, evil, etc, how can they even think that Satan has been bound? we have to use all scripture from the New and Old Testament so that all makes sense. The more I listen the more I have things to object, they do not understand that the dead wait for the resurrection, they totally disregard what the Old Testament teaches about death, which is, no one goes to heaven at death, there has to be a resurrection even if we are going somewhere, just like Jesus, he had to be resurrected to ascend to his Father. This shows that no matter how much you think you know a subject, leave room to change, these people are not teaching correct doctrine unfortunately.
I caught this too.These guys are complicating things by not understanding that Revelation 19 and 20 describe linear events. They also don't see that there are two resurrections. Daniel 12:2 tells us that both the righteous dead and the wicked dead will be resurrected. Revelation 20:5-6 indicates that these resurrections take place at separate times ... the first at the beginning of the millennium, and the second at the end of it.
There are also two battles. The first at Jesus' second coming, the second at the end of the millennium. ALL the wicked will be killed at Jesus second coming, so none of the wicked will be alive during the millennium...but after the millennium, when they are resurrected, the devil will have an army to attack the city of God...
And I see other problems with their arguments...
@@jo9354, hi!
I disagree with you in one point (actually, I’m not really sure whether you think differently or you just didn’t feel like adding that detail into your comment). It’s true that the wicked ones who received the mark of the beast will be thrown into the lake of fire at Jesus’ return at the beginning of the millennium.
And it’s also true that at the end of the millennium, satan will gather a great number of people to go against the holy city.
However, those people will not be resurrected to fight against the holy city because they’ll be alive during the millennium.
Not all people will accept the mark of the beast. They’ll be judged at the beginning of the millennium so that it’ll be decided whether they’ll go through the millennium (alive) or not. It’s like the “after Noah flood #2”, a re-start or a “reset”.
And they’ll live the fulfilment of many prophecies such as living longer and having multiples kids. And that’s part of the reason why satan needs to be released from “jail” at the end of the millennium.
And if you noticed well, the book of revelation makes it seems that Gog and Magog will march towards the holy city but there’ll be no time for battle because God will stop it right before they even manage to set foot near the city.
And also, the 2nd resurrection (the one for everyone else who did not experience the 1st resurrection) will only take place after the Lord destroys Gog & Magog and sends satan to the lake of fire.
I bet Satan is loving all the fighting going on between Christians about eschatology. Everyone (including faceless people in this comments section) is convinced they are right and want to stomp on another believer just because they have a different view on this tertiary topic. no one knows for sure and it’s quite possible we all get it wrong in the end. Just like the religious scripture studying Jews at the time of Christ’s first coming. They were convinced of the savior they were expecting from the OT prophecies and they rejected Him when He got here cuz He didn’t fit what they wanted to see.
Stop, stop, stop!!! This is the worst and wrong version of teachings I have ever heard. To think that you guys think that Satan is already bound for a thousand years and Jesus is coming back at the end of the millennium is Horribly wrong. Pls stop this heresy. Goodness gracious. I am shocked how deceived and twisted ppl become just to interpret scriptures. You guys obviously don't have it, focus on the gospel please because you don't know how to teach the Book of revelation.
Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers.
Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!
Amen!
The way they argue their position it sounds to me as if they are trying to convince themselves that what they are saying is true as well as their audience.
Well, some eschatological views like the seventh-day Adventist system makes a new gospel.
How so?
You say “who are those people identified in Revelation 20 ?”and you say that those are the people that came out of the great tribulation, however when Jesus comes, every christian who ever lived and those who are alive will be resurrected immortal and transformed, and that includes those beheaded during the great tribulation. Furthermore, there are many who live righteously and were not killed who will continue to the Millennial kingdom of Jesus which will take place in Jerusalem.
Do you have a scripture verse for that last sentence?
People are either a believer in Christ and are given a Celestial body and meet the Lord in the air or they are outside of Christ. Those dead from the past without Christ will remain dead and those alive without Christ at His coming will perish in the bowl judgements.
Yes the visions are mostly not in chronological order. 19-22 is in chronological order. It doesn’t work any other way.
I agree
It’s just one way to interpret these chapters and to be honest it’s not very convincing
Revelation is not in cronological order.First we have to learn in the OT what JESUS CHRIST came to do on earth HE CAME TO ESTABLISH HIS REIGN ON EARTH.HE WAS THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING.THE CHURCH WAS THERE SINCE THE BIGINNING.John 10 v 30 ) I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
So are the 144,000 Jews ????
Yes. 12 tribes x 12,000 from each tribe.
39:58 sounds like he has no teeth.
Im post trib. But on the millennium part these guys are way off. Im seeing way to many contradictions in what they’re saying.
Revelation 5:10 (KJV) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 20:2 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
This happened at the beginning of the church age. It means Satan is limited on what he can do.
Revelation 12:7-10 (KJV) 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Yes this is also showing the church age because yes Satan is no longer in heaven and he’s been persecuting the church through the church age.
This doesn’t work at all.
The event in Revelation 12 and the event in Revelation 20 are two separate events. The first happened after Jesus ascension to heaven, the second will happen at Jesus' second coming.
John 14 2 and 3 shows where the millieum takes place in heaven not on earth the rest of the dead is all the wicked people who die at the 2nd coming of christ hence why fire rains down on them after the thousand years there no dieing and being born in the millieum
Question : WHo rebels at the end of the millennium then? and dont give me the SDA response that its the people in the second resurrection. The second resurrection happens AFTER the fire rains down from heaven on "Gog and Magog"
Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers.
Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!
oh....I'm so sorry....I thought you believed the WHOLE BIBLE...I didn't realize that you were "Replacement Theology" believers~!!! I didn't realize you have THROWN OUT MOST OF THE BIBLE~!
BYE....I will pray for you....
There are two destruction's of God's enemies. Not all enemies of God are destroyed at Christs return though the armies at Jerusalem are destroyed. Zechariah 14:16-19 depicts that survivors in the lands who sent the armies against Jerusalem are called to Jerusalem annually to observe the feast of tabernacles and worship the King. If they will not do that one year they will receive no rain on their land. If they do not come the second year the Lord will send the same plague on those persons or people that fell upon the armies that were attacking Jerusalem when he returned. Also in Isaiah 65:17-20 in a "new heaven and a new earth" where mortality is still active people will live to one hundred and if they die a sinner they will be accursed or if they die righteous they will be righteous. This cannot be the New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation 21 it has to be the altered earth of the earthquake of the Lord's return where Jerusalem is divided into three parts and mountains are removed. (The old world of Noah's day was destroyed and revealed a new earth In the new heaven of the resurrected saints post judgment people are not married or given in marriage and they will not be procreating. Ezekiel 38 & 39 Gog comes against Israel and that army will leave shields and spears enough in the fields to supply fire wood for Israel for seven years. God calls the fowls of heaven to eat the armies. Revelation 9:16 mentions an army of two hundred thousand thousand and 2 Thessalonians 2:8 speaks of destroying the Wicked one with the brightness of his coming but I do not see a verse where God destroys all his enemies at the coming of the lord. The battle of Revelation 20:7-10 is described as without number and is immediately burned by fire from heaven and the devil is cast into the lake of fire. In the Revelation 20:11-15 context the earth is then destroyed and judgement begins. As the one brother said only in the Revelation 20:7-10 destruction are all the enemies destroyed. Not every one who enters the millennium shall be a perfected tried and true saint. The day of the Lord is a thousand years long (he judges from day one and all of the thousand years and finishes at the white throne of judgment) and he will need the rod of iron and he will sentence death for some as referenced in Zechariah 14. (how many others? that is not clarified) People will be born and live under the rule of the Lord and he will enforce the ten commandments even the Sabbaths Isaiah 65:22-24. Otherwise when the devil is released from the pit he will deceive saints to attack the camp of the saints and the beloved city.
The martyrs are saints ruling from heaven and interceding for the Body of Christ. Those faithful 'Christians' were Coptic Orthodox, they, like Catholics, offer the Sacrifice of the Mass, The Eucharist, Orthodox call their celebration the Divine Liturgy, they fast, etc, what most protestants reject and call heresy.
Yet his pit that he is casted to is the Earth in all its destruction and there's no one alive for human. His demons are followed angels to operate through they're left to look at each other.😮 And I could just imagine them at one point saying why did we do all this
The adversary (Satan) is cast down before Christ can return. Satan then pretends to be the Saviour and lead all he can away from Christ. Pre-Tribbers think Christ can come back at any time. They don't consider the many verses that read "all enemies will be made His footstool' which is the Earth. And Acts 3:21 That Christ must remain in Heaven at the right hand of the Father UNTIL the restoration of All things, see Rev. 11:15-18. God will send strong delusion of those who don't love the Truth. The lie is - thinking Satan is the Messiah and obeying his evil orders. Only after Christ returns will Satan be brought down into the pit with a mighty chain by the Archangel after the Wrath of God is finished.