Ask Adam Savage: Lathe Tips (Plus Adam's Watch!)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In this live-stream excerpt, Adam answers questions from Tested members Alexander Brumley, Vickie Bligh, Lee Marsh and Noalen Kelli about lathes, watch repair and aging copper. Thank you, Alexander, Vickie, Lee and Noalen for your support and questions! Join this channel to support Tested and get access to perks, like watching exclusive videos and asking Adam questions:
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Adam, the care you give in your answers to our questions is wonderful. Thank you.
It's worth pointing out Blondihacks and Abom79 as well!
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The Science Company has a full guide on acid application for setting different patinas for copper, brass, and bronze as well. The guide is online and free.
Thank you mate, would love to visit :)
What a wonderful collaboration that would be!! Nice to see you here Chris!
*After* you finish the Antikythera videos.
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Clickspring Hey Chris, stop in Austin and pick me up. We'll go together.
That would be an amazing collaboration between the two of you. Please please please try to reach out to Adam or someone from his team to set something up so we can all be blessed with the stunning visual experience that would come from this meetup.
I'd be delighted to see it happen!
Man o man would I love to see the rest of the watches in Adam's collection. I know I'm not alone.
The thing about Adam not being sure if a paint project will work, every time, is so reassuring to me. I am exactly the same and thought I was crazy for thinking it.
I'll second Adam's advice on care when using a lathe. Before you even turn one on, learn about lathe safety! Things can get bad in a split second. Keep reading please. I know of two major accidents where I went to school.
In the first, someone left the chuck key (tightens the jaws) in the chuck (the jaws) and turned on the machine. Luckily no one was injured, but that hunk of metal went straight through the roof and left a head-sized hole. If it had released moments earlier or later, someone would have died.
That brings me to incident number two. A girl was working in the shop alone at night and didn't have her hair secured. It got sucked into the lathe and compressed her neck against the machine. They found her strangled the next morning.
So, a few pieces of advice:
1) No loose anything when operating the machine. This includes clothing, hair, jewelry, lanyards, etc.
2) Make sure ONLY the work piece is attached to the spinning parts. Check and secure the chuck key. Never set things on top of the chuck.
3) Know where your safety shutoff is and always be ready to hit that thing.
4) If something starts to go seriously wrong, do NOT attempt to stop it or correct it. Hit the shutoff and back away quickly.
5) Wait until everything has stopped moving and the lockout is engaged before touching anything with your hands.
Lathes are awesome tools and let you do incredible stuff. Just follow safety practices and respect their power.
Yes yes and more yes.
Used to work at a machine shop as a mach ine operator years ago, and you hear sooo many horror stories. Gear driven lathes either wrapping someone around the chuck or straight up popping an arm *off*. Someone wearing the wrong type of glove and getting their wrist wrapped around the quill of a mill, I myself got cut so many times its not even funny, in addition to splitting open the webbing of my thumb with a little 3 lbs sledge driving pins into a workpiece.
If you like Lathe horror stories check out some involving PTOs on farm machinery! 🚜
@@johnplath1072 Tell me about it. Used to live in 4H country. I hate hay balers.
Adam, my best advice for attempting watchmaking / repair is to begin with a size 18 pocket watch. Everything is larger and much more manageable. You signed my great grandfathers pocket watch at Orlando Megacon last year (thank you for that honor).
If you don't want to play with an antique, as it may be irreplaceable, ETA 6497 or 6498 are good beginner size movements.
Thanks for another mention Adam. I am truly flattered. If I can ever be of assistance, feel free to ask.
well deserved.....
As a watch collector, learning how to do some basic things like sizing a bracelet, replacing a strap or indeed a battery change are excellent skills to have. It's saved me a lot of trips to a jewelry store over the years. I also want to do a bit more work with the movements, replace dials and hands etc. but with limited vision that is indeed a bit of a challenge.
The most difficult part of starting watch repair is finding and buying all those expensive niche tools that only have one single use to them. Nothing's really universal for watch repair. But it seems you've got that nicely covered, so definitely give it a go for the channel.
I was so disappointed that the steampunk craze just meant that people were putting watch gears *on* things as an aesthetic element, not actually making or repairing watches, and I'm so glad to find that *some* people are actually keeping watchmaking and repair alive. Clickspring and Adam, I love this, please make this happen
Yeah, you'd _think_ that steampunk would have people actually trying to embody the whole wild genius adventurer thing and up and actually make neat little clockwork mechanisms (which would be a far cooler aesthetic than merely plopping gears on fabric or something), but nope. Deeply disappointing, it is.
Just seeing this video now and I saw your comment. If you would like some good amateur watchmaking content on UA-cam, check out Wristwatch Revival. I spend hours there when I can't sleep. He buys watches that are broken and completely fixes and cleans them up. One of my favorite channels on UA-cam.
@@birdwatcher1337 Oh man, thank you! I"ll check them out. In a similar vein, I discovered the Nekkid Watchmaker's videos since I left this comment and have really enjoyed them. Great ASMR. :)
I think a great starter book for lathe work is the classic, "How to Run a Lathe for the Beginner," by the South Bend Lathe Works. The little gray, soft cover version that has gotten countless students up to speed costs less than $10, and will be a useful reference for your entire life of machine lathe turning.
Have to admit I’m totally addicted to this channel! Loved the MB’s show and when this came up as a recommendation 2 weeks ago I was stoked and have been watching literally every episode I can get my eyes 👀 on. Keep up the great content Adam! And here’s to inspiring so many people. I’m a welder/fabricator and this channel challenges me to push my skills and I’ve learned so so much, so thanks for that sir! I appreciate you and the knowledge you share!!
The Taig is a wonderful first lathe. Compact, modular, surprisingly inexpensive, accurate, and US made. There are many dealers, a large user community, and tons of third party accessories.
Yes! I learned basic machining on much larger lathes through my university, but I bought a Taig about a year ago and I LOVE it. The only big downside is the lack of threading, but if you're any good at electronics, you can add an electronic leadscrew to it fairly easily.
@@k4kfh There’s a new model with a lead screw, and it can be added to models without the screw.
@@MichaelEdelman1954 yes and no. It is a leadscrew but not for threading. It's for imprecise power feed only.
My book suggestions for lathe are the classic South Bend lathes "How to run a lathe" and " Machine shop know-how, the tips and tricks of master machinists" from metal arts press. Both are geared for beginners, pun intended. And read up on safety before starting your machine.
I'd love to see a video of Adam's watch collection sometime!
It's one watch. Omega seamaster. At least it's the only one I've ever seen.
@@check1526 he used to wear a relatively cheap Timex too
He has shown some of his watches in this video: ua-cam.com/video/U5rlLL7cOtw/v-deo.html
As a still learning watchmaker, this is the video i have been waiting for. I love it! And please go down the rabitwhole of watchmaking its facinating und u wont regret it. Parts look small at first but man seeing a watch runing and all the levers working together is pure joy. I would recomend to start with clocks cause if u got the principle down u have the basics for watches.
I love that you appreciate the complexity that goes into the manufacturing and engineering of something we take for granted.... watches are a great hobby
These discussions are priceless. Thank You Legend....
My favorites are Keith Fenner, Blondie Hacks, This Old Tony, Keith Rucker, Adam Booth and Joe Pie for learning lathe work.
Clickspring is a great channel. Crossover!
Me, who never has or will use a lathe and also never buys/wears watches: Adam made a video about lathes and watches, I have to watch that immediately! Click!
If you are going to attempt a "wrist" watch repair start with a Vostok scuba dude. Like many things Soviet, it's movements are very... robust(?).
Good luck!
If you are looking for a cheap lathe, pay attention to the spindle bore size, there are now a number of them on the market with a 1.5" spindle bore, and that will make life so much easier when making parts. After that, look to what size you need, is a 16/17" between centers enough, or do you want say 30ish inches. This distance can make a huge difference when you put a chuck in the tailstock and are drilling, as both the chuck and the drill bit will eat into that distance. That said, a decently priced 8x16 mini lathe with 1.5" spindle bore is fairly affordable.
I totally agree on the emco lathes being beasts.
I once had an emco compact 8, bigger than a compact 5, very precise.
I now have an emco compact 5 cnc, which is a great little cnc lathe, i put on a new controller, and i turn mostly titanium to very tight tolerances.. mostly watch parts..i also recently bought an emcoturn 120 cnc.. that is really a small professional cnc lathe, and i love it
Adam, you should check out wristwatch revival too.
Mr Pete a great youtuber for lathe work
EMCO is a Austrian company. Yes, the Compact 5, is an excellent machine,but no longer made. They also had CNC machines based on the main components of the manual C5. The next step up would be the Maximat 7 or V10. These are much heavier machines and have the option of a beefier Milling head option. The Compact series also includes the Compact 8 & 10. Figure $1,200 for a really nice Compact 5 and double for the Maximat V10 series. Make sure they have as much tooling & accessories as you can find included. South Bend 9 inch machines are also plentiful and the same price range. I bought a mint unused Compact 5 with new unused milling head with several accessories for $1,200 off Marketplace last year.
There are some great machining UA-cam channels. One of my favourites is "This Old Tony". He not only does Videos on turning (lathe work), but also milling, welding, soldering, trigonometry (shop math), metrology, ....
Adam mentions This Old Tony
He's still a hobbyist though, and admits as such, so always take him with a grain of salt (though he's usually not wrong).
Mrpete222. Your UA-cam shop teacher
EMCO is from Austria! From Hallein next to Salzburg in the Alps...
greetings from Austria ;-)
They sell kits for building your own watch. It could be a good one day build
Abom79 has some truly excellent long-form machining videos, mostly large scale lathe work. Cannot recommend his channel highly enough!
I love this program, thank you.
I've been making pack parts for a few years now and my little ebay 12" lathe. I did start with a jet mini mill but eventually had to upgrade to a big boy Bridgeport. The jet now is only used for tiny parts in softer materials. Cut time for one part in particular went from 4 hours to 15 minutes so the Bridgeport was an amazing investment. Now I am looking for a big boy lathe...
I'm sorry but it drives me crazy when I hear people refer to operating a lathe as "lathing". The correct term is "turning". Thanks!
I would love to see Clickspring in your shop, that would be incredible.
Olde time machinists called them a "LAY" 😎🤪
Adam! It's a shame that Quinn Dunki of Blondihacks didn't immediately spring to mind when listing your suggestions! Seriously, watch more of her! She's amazing and one of the best hobby-sized machinist teachers on the 'Tubes!
The Mophorn Mini is also a good beginner lathe and you can grab them for around $400-$500 for a new one.
On the part about learning to work on mechanical watches, the best thing to do is start with pocket watches. It's pretty much all the same parts in the movement, only they're bigger. I just converted a pocket watch into a wrist watch and serviced the movement. It was very fun learning about the movement and doing the conversion.
TAIG Micro Lathes are pretty fantastic. You basically pick and choose what you want for it so it can be as simple and barebones or as decked out as you want it to be. It’s a bit limited on the size of projects you can work on, but it’s a quality machine with plenty of power and precision. I’ve had mine for nearly 20 years now and it’s still going strong.
If you’re interested in learning how to use a lathe, a TAIG is a great option without breaking the bank.
Absolutely. One piece of advice: buy the Sherline 3 jaw chuck and the Taig 4 jaw chuck. Taig's 3 jaw chuck is really nice to have around, but not a great example of a typical 3 jaw chuck.
@@k4kfh wait, Sherline chucks are compatible with Taig’s? I’m unfamiliar with them, so what makes them more ideal?
@@luuukevader they are compatible if you make a simple 0.25" spacer ring. You need to make the ring pretty accurately, which could be challenging for a newbie. Not sure why Sherline doesn't just sell the necessary spacer.
The advantage to Sherline 3 jaw chucks is that they have traditional hardened jaws. Taig's chucks have machinable aluminum soft jaws, which are nice for certain things but not the best for general use.
@@k4kfh thanks for the info! I have two 3 jaw Taig chuck (one set up for inside holding and the other for outside so I don’t have to flip the jaws) and I’ve been meaning to order a 4 jaw for years now. Maybe I’ll just get a Sherline 4 jaw and call it a day. Thanks!
@@luuukevader To clarify, it's not the 4 jaw that's better. It's the 3 jaw. Taig's 4 jaw is an incredible value at $70, I have no idea why anyone would by the Sherline. But Sherline's 3 jaw chucks are excellent.
Please give blondihacks some love she does a lot of lathe training vids
Dude, I've been wanting to get lathe, so this is awesome!
They are awesome and I fully encourage you to do so safely. However, you need to be very careful. I left a detailed comment on the main video that would be worth reading.
Love the horology episodes or references in any filming you do! I think you would be great at making watches!! Honestly I would sell a kidney for a high grade Adam Savage one off watch!!!!
I had an amazing product from a company called Chemtech at one time but they went out of business. It was a paint that had actual metal particles in the paint. You could paint any object with the paint then apply a chemical wash to it to achieve a real verde finish they had many metal paints and finishes. have never really found an other product like it.
As an antique furniture replicator we use a pickling solution for tarnishing brass... Don't know the brand. Just dip it and rinse it off works great!
Been prepping to get a mini metal lathe since Christmas break. Watching videos, reading and cleaning up so I can have a space for it to live. Love Chris with Clickspring, very inspiring work, he would be awesome with Adam on a video. Surprised no love for Sherline lathes as made in US and readily available parts/accessories. Sherline is likely the way I will go and buy a new one so it isn't thrashed like the used ones I have seen local so far. My goal is April for purchase.
Emco is from Austria. And cool!
Oh boy, I'm about 40-50 watches in and it's a very satisfying thing. There's a moment when the balance wheel starts beating, things come alive, that's just (finger kiss motion)
BlondieHacks is an excellent channel for learning lathe (and mill) basics. Precision Matthews is a well respected name for small budget minded lathes
We love Blondiehacks!
You learn while he learns 😎
Sherline lathes and mills are excellent and they sell so many accessories.
Generally "lathing" is called turning, at least as far as machinists are concerned.
Preach brother.
And 'facing' would be along the other axis :D
colloquially, yes. Technically, turning is removing material from the OD of the part with a helical path made by moving a tool linearly down a rotating part. The equivalent ID operation is boring. Drilling is its own thing, tapping is its own thing, parting isn't exactly turning, knurling isn't turning at all, and all of that gets done on a lathe. I think "lathing" is an ok term to describe the group of operations you'd perform on a lathe.
All of the actions you listed, including knurling, are done by the lathe turning the part. Trying to knurl when the part isn't turning would just result in a bunch of parallel scratches up one side. Anyways, the question asked was essentially where to find information on how to use a lathe and one of the first steps is to understand the lexicon of people who know how to use a lathe call using a lathe. You might be able to find helpful information from someone that calls it lathing but there is a lot more information and the information is more likely to be correct if you look up turning on a lathe.
The song "Hoist up the thing" by The Longest Johns does a good job at demonstrating this concept.
@@NonTwinBrothers And if you try to face a part that isn't turning you'll just get a scratch along the face of the part, and maybe a chipped tool.
you and clickspring together for a whole day talking about stuff o please make it happen as a lifestream or something
If you want a quick and dirty acrylic wash for verdigris on small stuff (like tabletop minis) then Citadel does sell a technical paint called Nihilakh Oxide. Is it perfect? Almost certainly not, but it does quite well for a one step application.
Adam mentions specific pain colours, and I'm like, "I KNOW THOSE! Thanks Bob Ross, because of you I know colours better." =3
I did the same thing of foraging through Craigslist looking for a good deal of old photo enlarging equipment , and sure enough after a few days of searching I found this one guy selling everything I was looking for and then some. And he's been trying to sell it for so long he sold it to me for a fraction of what it was valued at.
The Keith Rucker youtube channel has great machining videos.
For patination techniques i can recommend a book, Metal Patination Techiques for Jewelers and Metalsmiths by Matthew Runfola, published by Thames and Hudson.
The Emco stuff is fantastic I have a Unimat 3 and Maximat 7. But they are not affordable anymore. Even the compact 5 regularly sells for 2K with the milling head. I don't think that is very affordable for a beginner. Adam probably just made them even more expensive...
Find an old Hardinge for small parts, or a cheap Chinese made 14in. They're a hell of alot easier to move around.
Hardinge are hella expensive for what they are. Properly set-up Atlas/Craftsman 6" lathes can do some surprisingly precise work at far less cost, and replacement parts are far easier to find.
I love your UA-cam channel
It's been my experience that old craftsman tools are hard to get parts for. After stanley black and decker got them the parts were no longer being made.
My dad gave me his Craftsman table saw he bought back in 1977.
The rip fence won’t tighten into place, and all searches for the fence or parts to the fence have come up empty!
@@PENFOLD5 get an after market fence 👍😎
A used Harbor Freight 8x12 (really an 8x14) lathe is a good buy. And should be very cheap.
I know I have seen you wear an Omega Speedmaster Pro at times, at least in some shots on Myth Busters. It is one of the watches I own and the one I wear the most. I would have thought with your fascination with all things space you would prefer the Speedmaster.
I would love to see the video on verdigris finish.
Definition of imposter syndrome, Adam Savage talking about a weathering paint effect: "I hope no one can tell I dont know what I'm doing"
Emco has a variety of good lathes from little 3 inch Unimats to 5 7 8 10 inch and Super 11 and Super 13. Stephan Gotswinter (spelling? sorry) has a Super 11. I have had one with the milling head for over 30 years. It was my only real machine for years. I have other machines now but still use the Super 11 from time to time. The lathes get better and better as they get bigger. The ones bigger than the compact 5 are much better. Some have threading gear boxes which are very handy. The 3 inch unimat is barely a toy.
If the toy works ... then use it!
I don't think the unimat 3 is merely a toy, i have used my fathers unimat sl, the unimat3's predecessor, i used it to make watchparts.. the unimat 1 is a toy
@@JanBinnendijk I started with the unimat 50 years ago I didn't know any better or have any alternatives. When I got a real lathe Emco V8 years later the difference was profound. I bought a Emco Super 11 soon after to replace the V8 to get a quick change gear box and used it regularly for years.A few years ago I was reaquainted with the little one and thought it was weak and worthless and wondered how I ever used it before. Unimats command a high price for cuteness when much larger much better lathes often sell for similar amounts. I would encourage anyone to consider a bigger more powerful alternative to the little 3 incher. The larger Emco's are very fine machines not to be compared with the marginal import stuff. To the inexperienced casual buyer all these machine look the same when they are not. If you can afford it a good machine it is worthwhile. Once I saw the difference on the V8 lathe I quickly spent 3 times as much to get the Super 11 an even better one.
I notice on your mill you have a wheel for the quill feed. I have been searching for one and have not located one, where did you get yours from?
Adam, or someone from the staff, if you are reading this, check out Mark Presling's channel, specifically his series on building the titan .60 model airplane engine. It is, to me, a master class on machining and lathe work.
What about those portable ones? They can be pretty reasonable in price - something that would be great to get the feel for rather than a large machine that you may end up not wanting - something paramount in very limited space - anything from $400 up, and they can be bolted down to ensure a steady working area. !But please get proper advice - I'm just saying I was thinking of getting a portable one a while back and decided against it because it would just be a tool I would never use again outside the project I was aiming at.
Am I the only one who can’t find any mention of any compact - 5 or otherwise - on the Emco website?
Am I the only one that sees this man has way more money and time on his hands than any actual skill in any of the trades?
He may not be top notch at any/many of the things he can do, but he is decently good at a remarkably broad range of skills. That high degree of generalization has a massive amount of utility in and of itself. You might be able to run rings around Adam in an area or three, but not at everything and not as quickly.
@@nunyabidness8870 I would be willing to run that race.
couldn't be more right
I am a traned mashenist and can conferm that the small old crafsman lathes I have a 109. that I have bin restoring for the last two years. not a job for a novist it also requiers quite a bit of knowhow to use with out damaging them or just terning out garbage.
I'd be very surprised if you didn't have Speedmaster Pro in the collection, given it was the first watch on the moon worn on the wrist of Buzz!
Omega PO Seamaster!!! I knew it! The very best 👍
I love watches as well and would love to add an Omega someday. Is that a Seamaster or Speedmaster?
What is the difference between fougerite and patina
If you're interested in watch repair, I can't recommend this channel highly enough. The videos are well produced, and the presentator does an excellent job of walking you through the whole process in each video.
ua-cam.com/users/WristwatchRevival
Agreed. I was going to mention him myself.
Same. Came and said this same thing before I saw this comment.
This one is also very good, and he has an online watch repair course, which is how wristwatchrevival learnt watch repair if I remember correctly: ua-cam.com/users/WatchRepairChannel
Jet brand makes good low cost lathes
I'd have figured you'd have an aviator watch for the built in slide rule.
He has a tattoo instead
Bring back more one day Builds please
We’re putting out two a week, and have for a couple of months …
Do you see some of the crew from mythbusters
JAX do a copper verdigris wash.
You should really give Seiko modding a go. It's not that hard, and new movements are very affordable, so you won't even have to mess with them if you don't want to.
Start with a pocket watch, the bigger size helps
Awesome!!!Big Like ✅✌🏼
a good technique is to buy a bulk set of old cheap as broken pocket watches for you to strip down without consequence
Your my hero
What are those telescopic arms @adam?
Emco is an austrian company ;)
Tip: Don't drop your guard when cleaning your lathe. ;)
check out Adam Booth.
It's almost easier to actually force a patina than replicate one with paint. A little salt and anomia (or vinegar if you are a coward lol) some paper towels, a sealed container and some time is all it takes. Ammonia gives a bit more blue, I find, while vinegar tends towards green.
Not working with a real copper surface? That's what copper foil tape is for lol.
Shockingly when I wanted to learn about forcing patinas the best resource was UA-cam videos about vape modding...I guess patina copper vape pens was the in thing at the time? It was a few years ago
What happened to the Ultraman Speedmaster?
Not to be pedantic but Bond never wore a Planet Ocean chrongraph ;-)
Check out Keith fenner if you want to watch a master use a lathe.
What is the name of your watches on your wrist
How about the harbor freight lathe.
Those lathes are cheaply made and have plastic gears in them. As long as precision isn’t your goal and you’re cutting softer materials, it would be ok I guess. Your money would be better spent on a different lathe IMO.
Don't, unless you're able to rebuild one.
Hi
It's not "Lathing" it is called turning...
For the high price of a lathe, you need to use it a lot, and it is difficult to move to another house.
Adam, if you want to visit and see one of Europe's top independent watchmakers and witness horological magic and learn some new skills let me know. I promise you will not regret it.
Adam isn't exactly the person I would listen to for tips on using machinery. Abom79, Keith Rucker, and Tom Lipton would be far better resources.
I hope the chess set comes back for a show & tell
If one is interested in sounding like you know what you are talking about (even when you may not), the word "lathe" is NOT a verb. When making parts on the lathe, you "turn" them. Regardless of what people say, you DON'T "lathe" them. I am a toolmaker and machinist since the mid 1970s (half a century), when someone uses the word lathe as a verb, I immediately know they are not skilled in using a lathe. You may notice - this is a pet peeve of mine. Hopefully this will be taken as educational and not derogatory.