Watchmaking Tools - Horia, Bergeon, Favorite, Seitz, Horotec, Steiner, Moebius, L&R and More.
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- It's been a year (or so) after making my first video beginning my journey into watchmaking, I look back at the tools I've purchased during that time. Some I love, some I hate! Leave your comments and tell me what you would have done differently.
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0:00 Introduction
0:21 Tools I started out with 1 year ago
0:53 Update to Screwdrivers
1:43 Screwdriver sharpening jig and stone
3:12 Update to Tweezers
3:46 Update to Movement Holders
4:25 Hand Removing Levers
4:44 Update to Bench Mat
5:19 Membrane Box and Dial Protector
5:43 Oilers
6:22 Oil Pots
6:44 Lubricants
7:30 Magnification
8:00 Cleaning Machine
8:42 Staking Set
9:42 Micrometer
10:13 Screw Head Repair/ Polisher
10:51 Bench Key
12:12 Watch Key
12:41 Sleeve Wrench
13:11 Cannon Pinion Remover
13:50 Crosby's Jeweling Tool
14:45 Seitz Jeweling Set w/ Pushers
15:44 Horia Jeweling Set w/ Pushers
16:24 Hand Replacing Tool
17:00 Snap-on Case Back Remover etc.
17:36 Watch Crystal Press
18:12 Jacot Tool
19:30 Wrap Up
Links Mentioned in Video
Link to my first video and the tools I began with - • I Begin My Journey Int...
Link to the Restoration of the L&R Watch Cleaning Machine : • L&R Master Watch Clean...
Link to JKA Feintaster Micrometer: • Watchmaking Precision ...
Link to Horia (clone) tool and how to use it: • How to Replace a Watch...
Link to 1880's Solid Gold watch restoration: • Restoration of a Solid... - Навчання та стиль
I`m learning as you learn and did not buy any of those great tools yet, I turned 50 and decided to chance my life, I m a student again, changed city and all, studying at National Watchmaking school of Trois-Rivières, QC, Canada. The only school for watchmakers in Canada, started last october and using a Seitz now for removing stones and adjusting wheels handshake. I m a follower, love your journey, Jean Luc.
do u hav to speak french to attend/wht is the criteria to enroll?
Best of luck with the watchmaking course, hope you are enjoying it, sadly our school here in Ireland closed in 2014.
@@BLNTSMK Are you in Canada as well? If you're in the US there's a watch school in Lititz, Pennsylvania called the Lititz Watch Technicum. There is no tuition, though there is also no food provided or housing available; and classes are held 730 - 1600 five days a week for two years. It would be an incredible opportunity to attend, but having enough money saved so that you can live for two years without a full-time job puts most people out of consideration.
@@SlickWillyTFCF Thanks for the hint Steve! Quebec, Canada is the best place on earth and I will be a watchmaker in East french Quebec as a clock repairman and maker! Cheers!
I thought the school had closed several years ago !
Do they have an up to date website ?
It's okay to buy something that you just want, just because you like it.. Your new vintage tools are so awesome.
Great video! Thanks for going over everything in such detail!
Thanks so much for watching, I've really been enjoying your content as well.
Very cool video thanks for sharing 🙂👍 I've picked up a lot of vintage to antique watch and clock repair tools and some I still don't know what their for. But thanks to your videos I have figured out some of them.
Oh that's Great to hear! Thanks for watching and for the comment!!
Awesome 👍
As a new hobbyist, your comments are really helpful. Much appreciated. Thanks for the video.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!!
Thank you, fun to watch and quite informative
Hi Nicholas, Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!!
Great video!!!
Thank you!!
great video thanks for sharing
Oh such a informative video.Indeed these tools are as precisely made ad the swiss watches.Pleade make videos of using these tools
Thanks for watching. I plan to make demonstration videos of some of these tools in the near future. thanks for the comment!,
Thanks for this video! After years of wanting to get into watch repair (at least as a hobby) I'm finally in a position to do so. It's nice to see someone listing and explaining the specialized tools needed for in-depth repair.
Edit: Jacot is pronounced zha'kō.
Hey Steve, I'm so glad you found this helpful! Thanks for watching and for leaving me that nice comment!
I have been enjoying your journey immensely. I am just before ordering my first few tools to get started with this hobby. To say that I am a rookie (and a scared one at that) is a sure enough understatement. As Jackie Gleason use to say; And away we go!
Hey Ron, Thanks for watching! I'm glad you're enjoying the videos! Best of luck to you! Just be patient and calm. You won't do everything right in the beginning but that's just the nature of the hobby. Learn from your mistakes, your confidence will grow along with your knowledge.
Dude that's some serious purchasing , but all appear to be warranted ... power to your journey sir .
Thanks for watching and for the excellent comment.
Thank you for this video Sir. I'm very new to watchmaking. This help me to stream down my tools which mostly I got from ALIX 😅
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and for the nice comment!
I watched your video and thought "Hey - he's raided my workshop!" I'm somewhat new to this game too and have most of the tools you show here, plus a few little gems from various job-lots. Just acquired a sweet little Perton 8mm lathe in like-new condition. This is one addictive hobby - lol!
Thanks so much for watching! That does sound like a sweet 8mm Lathe. I'd love to get one someday but then I'd still have to learn how to use it. LOL
You are really picking this hobby up quickly. I’m much slower. I’ve been at it for a few years now and just finally got around to oiling an st36. The good tools are just so expensive though. I am definitely not going to waste anything on that Chinese hand pusher. Thanks for that!
Well I may have rushed into this a little faster than I should have. I tend to do that sometimes. I intend to keep at this for a good long time and there is no need to rush things. I’m glad you found some of this useful. Thanks for watching and for the comment. Go luck on your journey!!
Excellent ...Big fan of the watch making/servicing process ..but not in any way ready to delve into it. Kudos to you and those that do.
Much appreciated!
Hello, it would be nice if you would provide links to the stores where you got the tools that are not vintage, saving us hours looking for them 🙂 Thank you and welcome to the journey 👍
realy cool ☺️
Thanks for watching!
New subscriber and have a new found interest in watches. Great videos
Thanks so much for watching! I really appreciate that you subscribed to my channel. I hope you enjoy my other content!!!
Awesome video. Amatuer watchmaker always learning and growing. Its definitly is helping me slow my roll a little bit lol. Not a hobby for impatient people haha. It does seem every dam time i turn around i gotta buy this or that. But at fifty one years old im able to splurge here and thier. I subscribed and looking forward to your videos i havent watched yet and those to come. Best of luck.
Monte
Hi Monte! Thanks so much for watching and for the kind comments. I really appreciate your support and your sub. That's one thing about watchmaking, there are always plenty of tools to spend your money on. As you can tell, I've been bitten by the tool bug!!
Woooooooo love tools seen a lot of old ones and people dont even want them tanks
Thanks for watching!!
Good video
Thanks so much for watching and for the nice comment. I’ve learned so much from you and your videos!!
I started buying watch/clock tools in the 1980's starting with a bunch of stuff from the wife of a retired watch maker. Much of the stuff I had no clue what they were for or how to use them. Unfortunately I've never learned to use a lot of the stuff largely due to lack of time and education. I'm reducing my regular job work hours so I hope I can get my bench set up to better learn how to work on my watch collection.
Dave that’s great! I’m always on the look out for a a deal like that but so far, no luck. I hope you enjoy your new hobby!! Thanks so much for watching and for leaving the great comment.
For the Vintage M & C Improved Cannon Pinion Remover Watchmaker Tool, these are indeed late 40's early 50's the patent for this item was submitted in 1940 and granted in 1942. That would put most of these tools as old as early 1940's but some could be made afterwards. Hope it helps.
Thanks for watching and for the great comment. Thanks so much for the information!!
Great video. What is the brand of the made in China snap back remover and the crystal press? Thank you! You have a new follower as well!
Geez, a watch cleaner and staking set.
I am jealous lol.
Man they don’t make tool like that anymore, solid and last forever.
You got that right!
Thanks for the video. I really enjoyed it. I'm looking for a great way spring bar tool. I have bought several inexpensive tools but have not been happy with them. I'm thinking about the Bergeon spring bar tweezers. Any thoughts? Thx.
Thanks for watching!! While I haven’t used the Bergeon 7825 tweezers, I have heard a lot of good things about it. It could definitely be worth the cost. Bergeon makes very high quality tools that can last a lifetime.
I want to buy all those tools
I'm really glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching.
I have 2 sets of Craftsman jewelers screw drivers for over 50 years now and have never had to sharpen the tips. They are hardened and have held up like new.
Wow! That’s so great!! I was raised to love craftsman tools and it had been my preferred tool brand for many years. Thanks so much for watching!
I'm slowly getting there with tools, but far behind you, lol. I recently added a digital microscope, which is a tremendous help. Though, I tried two others before settling on the one. Also added a set of cheap mainspring winders. What I discovered was that you can drill those out to fit larger winder arbors. Along with a couple of the Bergeon winder arbors (#6 and #8), I am able to wind mainsprings that have larger barrel arbors. All for far less than a Bergeon set.
I too have one of those cheap sets of mainspring winders. I never thought of drilling them out. Perhaps I will try. Thanks for watching and for leaving such a great comment!!
@@watchasilearn Clamp the bottom button in a vise. Feed the drill bit in slowly and when you feel less resistance, you can stop drilling. Had one come apart on me, but it pressed back together with no issue.
Awesome, thanks for the tips!
A great video! I am in a similar situation with watchmaking tools. You are correct about the hand replacing tool, I found it too unstable and wobbly went back to the pen type hand tools. Do you have a link for the crystal press you bought? There are many on Amazon that all look the same. Thanks for your videos.
Hi John, Thanks for watching. I think the one I got was sold by Salmue. They all look pretty much the same. Just make sure which ever one you get comes with the 20 dies, some of them don’t. I hope this helps.
Ok…. Ive always loved watches have a few nice ones but always thought about servicing and fixing them myself… I’ve been watching videos and decided, yep gonna do it! As I’m searching and researching tools I thought “I should make a UA-cam channel about my journey!” Next day… I come up on your channel! I have a pretty small budget so my tool buying will have to be in incriminates and very price conscious… but I’ll get there! Got a lot of catching up to do! But bravo on a great idea! 😄
I do want to ask about your sharpening stone… what grit is it and have you thought maybe you needed a heavier or lighter grit…?
Excellent info!
Hi and Thanks for watching! Just to be clear....you really DON'T need all of these tools just to do a simple service of a watch movement.
This video just shows how crazy I went over the past year or so because I'm a tool nut! You really should check out my very first video called "I begin my journey into watchmaking" ua-cam.com/video/lH5BtjUXyDA/v-deo.html
It gives a more realistic view of the tools needed to start your journey.
I really enjoyed this video because I am on the exact same journey myself. My next purchases will be a set of better screwdrivers (Bergeon ?) and a microscope. I hate to use the loupes…. I also bought one of those Chinese hand pushers, and I agree, they are useless. But I made a new guide or bushing from brass and threaded it and the pushrod. That small modification turned it into a quite useful tool.
Hi and thanks for watching. That is a great idea about making the brass bushing for the hand pusher. I might try that myself!!
Tbh, you can never have enough tools!. It depends on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. Thanks. Adrian
You are so right! Thanks for watching!!
We work on a ETA 6497 to begin with, just cleared with succes my disassembly-assembly, cleaning and lubrification exam. As for the hands tool, made myself a set at school on lathe exercises, could make you a custom set someday, previous exam was handmade winding stem for the the 6497 on watchmaker lathe. Having a lot of fun, feeling young again, great decision I ve made.
Wow, that is such an amazing adventure you're on. I am jealous!! I am not in a position in my life where I could do what you did but maybe someday. You are getting such a great education!! Keep me updated on your journey and you can make me custom tools anytime!!! :-) Thanks for watching and for the support. Best of Luck to you!
@@watchasilearn I will make you some custom hand lifters pretty soon! cheers! Jean Luc
That would be amazing!
@@watchasilearn I will when I have spare times at school. Take my words.
At 65 I could see my self going to watch making school if I wasn't married, my wife isn't going to move far from her mom. But I suspect I'd be about broke after two years of school and the cost of the tools I'd need to purchase.
Great Video !!!!! next you need a lathe !!!!!!!
That would be great! Then I would just need to learn how to use it!! LOL
@@watchasilearn well watchmaking is a learning exercise.
Do you have a name or link to the tool discussed at 17:00? I found something similar on Amazon for $45 but yours looks like it has a few more options. Edit: found some on ebay, Horia is pricy but another clone for $75 looks good.
Very nice. I would like to see a demonstration where you use the Chinese crystal press to insert an acrylic crystal. I have only used mine to push in rigid mineral crystals and am curious how you setup the dies to compress acrylic. None of them resemble the smooth spherical surfaces on say a Robur press. I haven't been able to find a demo, though a couple of people in the WRT forum confirmed they use it that way too.
Hi Michael. I will try to put something out next week in the form of a demonstration video that you asked for. Thanks for watching and for the request.
Hi Michael. I just posted the video your requested. Check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/q98y5F7Hv8M/v-deo.html
Great Video! Most of us are slower; Age mostly. I am considering the Microscope path help to see and I'm able to sit upright to work?
Yes, the microscope has really made it easier for me. I hope you find it helpful too. Thanks for watching.
I have the same watch cleaning machine, but mine had the heater removed at some point. Do you know the rating or part number and brand of the power resistor? It would really help me out. Thanks and love your videos!!
Hi Matthew, I received your email and I’ve been trying to find the answers to your questions but as you know that info is kinda hard to find. I’ll email you with a more detailed explanation.
@@watchasilearn You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar! And I must agree completely with your evaluation of the cheap hand press tool!
Many thanks, very useful, I think we are all on this journey! I’m interested to hear more about the Chinese Horia tool. I have also bought one but the ‘bits’ don’t go down to a small enough size. The smallest size is 70 and it’s pivot is 0.34mm diameter. This won’t fit into the jewel for the 3rd wheel of the FHF909 movement I was working on. I’ll watch your video on this tool and them maybe comment again there. Let me know if you have anything to help me since you have a similar tool. Ta.
Hi Boyd. Thanks for watching and for the comment. I hadn’t really noticed the size of the bits being an issue but that’s probably because I mainly work on pocket watches and bigger movements. I wish I had a solution for you but I’m at a loss. Perhaps similar bits could be found for sale individually at a place like Ofrei.com. I think you just need to be sure they would fit into the hole in the table.
@@watchasilearn Many thanks. I have since watched your Horia tool video. I see that the 'plungers' do indeed 'plunge', I had never noticed this;-)) I'm hoping now they will be what I need. You have really helped, thanks. Boyd.
Well I’m glad I helped you out. I just love those little pump pushers. I have no idea how they get those little springs in there!!
Esslinger has the good stuff 👍
You know it! Thanks for watching!!
I think i might just make my own tools, the words "They dont come up often" just makes me not want to be on a literal hunt for tools :D I would just need the measurements of all the tools and Voila.
Thanks so much for watching. I wish I had the skills you do. I'd love to make my own tools. Best of luck!!
Where do you buy the Chinese like tools? Can you provide link(s)?
can the Chinese crystal presser also press sapphire, crystal glass?
Hi and thanks for watching! This press bends the polycarbonate crystal effectively making it smaller to fit into the bezel. If you tried that with a sapphire or mineral crystal they would shatter. Hope this helps.
I got a tip for you. A lot of people dip their tweezers or screwdrivers in their oil to transfer it to the pot.
I use needles to do it with. No waste. We have diabetic cats so we have lots of them.
The oils are stupid expensive so waste is not good for the budget.
Cheers
That's a great tip. Gotta save money where ever you can these days. Thanks!!
I have another question. I have a opportunity and getting a L&R as well $150, it also is in pretty rough shape. Do you recommend that I do it. It does need to be rewired and painted but at $150 it seems like a sound investment.
Hi and thanks for watching. As you know these machines can fetch a pretty steep price so $150 does sound like a good price but you must also take into consideration how much money and effort it will take to get it back into running condition.
Have you sold any of your older items? If not I would be interested
I haven't really thought about selling any of my older equipment yet. But if and when I do...I'll keep you in mind. Thanks for watching!!
Инструмент хорошо, а золотые руки и светлая голова лучше...
I always wondered why it was called "keyless works".
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching,
Bit shocked on all the tools you need to service watches. Got a few watches to practice on from eBay.
Here is the link the the video I was referencing in the other comment.
I Begin My Journey Into Watchmaking - Did I Buy Too Much!!! |Beginner guide to watchmaking tools
ua-cam.com/video/lH5BtjUXyDA/v-deo.html
But the only thing you didn't show was the coast of the tools you recommend. I would hazard a guess of $2000.00 to $3000.00 ....
Oh, I'm not saying that you have to have all of the tools to do a watch service. As a matter of fact you need little more than magnification, a few screwdrivers and a good tweezers. I just went a little crazy with enthusiasm and thought people may find it entertaining the amount of tools available. And this hasn't even scratched the surface!! They always say that if you love tools, which I clearly do, then watchmaking is the hobby for you!
Another fifty years and you may just have all the tools that you NEED 😂😂
You’re so right. There are just so many tools out there….I love it! Thanks so much for watching!!
Ps - I don’t see a steak knife…😜
Why are tools discontinued? That old stuff is really expensive. There is money to be made? To buy a watchmaking lathe is thousands of dollars, for example.
I wish I had a good answer for you but I'm really not sure. I guess there is just not the demand for these tools that there once was! Thanks for watching!
Yes,way to much!
How come every video on UA-cam labeled watchmaking has nothing to do with actual watchmaking, only repair. That's like a mechanic saying he is an automotive manufacturer.
I guess Wikipedia says it best….A watchmaker is an artisan who makes and repairs watches. Since a majority of watches are now factory-made, most modern watchmakers only repair watches.
Taking advice from a beginner seems a leap of faith too far. Tool snobbery is a very unpalatable trait. There are thousands of hobbyists that buy good quality tools that are far less expensive than the obscenely priced ones that you are promoting. You will not become a better watchmaker because you have bought the most expensive tools!
Wow Martin, there is a seething amount of vitriol in that comment! Did you even watch the video or any of my videos or are you only guessing at my level of snobbery? Yes, I have bought some name brand tools but most are used or Chinese copies.
You bought to much imo. I did the same thing. Then I decided “ not my cup of tea “ I just got tired of it
ADHD my boi?
I have a Horia clone, like yours, for replacing jewels. Can I use that tool as a reamer?
Thanks for watching. That’s a great question. I actually have a Seitz set that comes with pushers and reamers so I’ve never tried to use the Horia for that. But I suppose if you had a set of reamers that properly fit the tool I think it would work.
4:40. Which are the cheaper ones? Please be more specific. Thank you.
Hi and thanks for watching. As referenced in the video, this is a follow up to my very first video. The cheaper hand removers are the blue ones that I got from esslinger.com for $15. At the time the part number was 59.0347. These and many more of my "Original tools" were featured in that first video. Thanks for the comment!!
Make comments such as "What you see now is..." and "what you are looking at now is...". Give us prices. Thank you.
Hi and Thanks for watching. To aid in identifying the tools, I added text to bottom of the screen. I added model numbers where available. I didn't list prices because those fluctuate so much over time. These videos could be viewed several months or years after they had been originally posted. Thanks for the comments!
5"10. "This mat." Which one are you referring to? I will stop watching the video at this point.
Hi and thanks for watching the first 5 minutes. When I say "This mat" I mean the mat which is on the screen at the time. Meaning the original mat that I purchased when I started the hobby. I referenced all of my original tools in the very first video I made and gave a link to that video. The new mat that I purchased is the Bergeon 7808-V, I showed the mat with the model number and also added the complete name and model number in text in the bottom left portion of the screen. Hope this helps. Thanks for the comment!!!
Great video!
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Such an expensive hobby. I don’t think I could justify buying all the kit without knowing for sure if I’d stick with it
Hey, thanks for watching!! TBH, you really don’t need all that stuff to start out in watchmaking. You really only need about 3 screwdrivers, a nice tweezers and some magnification. It’s taken me over 2 years to accumulate all these tools. Some of these tools are very specialized and the job could be accomplished by another tool. One thing you’ll notice is that watchmakers love tools!!